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| Following on from the bit about Silmarillion references, above, the bit I am most unclear about, after reading the article, is which bits come from which texts. I'd like to be shown (by references) which bits come from which text. Specifically, which bits are from 'The Silmarillion' (and if possible to have the biographical details in chapter order with the chapters referenced), and then to have the HoME references inserted, either in the main narrative, or at the end, depending on how much they contradict the story in 'The Silmarillion'. It would also be worth explaining this in the lead introduction - something like: | Following on from the bit about Silmarillion references, above, the bit I am most unclear about, after reading the article, is which bits come from which texts. I'd like to be shown (by references) which bits come from which text. Specifically, which bits are from 'The Silmarillion' (and if possible to have the biographical details in chapter order with the chapters referenced), and then to have the HoME references inserted, either in the main narrative, or at the end, depending on how much they contradict the story in 'The Silmarillion'. It would also be worth explaining this in the lead introduction - something like: | ||
| "Most of the story of '''Maedhros''' is contained in '']'', a ] work edited by ] from the writings of his father ], and published in 1977. More of the writings of J. R. R. Tolkien were published in ] series of volumes, edited by Christopher Tolkien and published from 1983-1996. This article references details published in both works." | "Most of the story of '''Maedhros''' is contained in '']'', a ] work edited by ] from the writings of his father ], and published in 1977. More of the writings of J. R. R. Tolkien were published in '']'' series of volumes, edited by Christopher Tolkien and published from 1983-1996. This article references details published in both works." | ||
| In fact, that could be worked up into a template to use on many articles, similar to the "canon" template. What do people think? ] 10:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC) | In fact, that could be worked up into a template to use on many articles, similar to the "canon" template. What do people think? ] 10:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC) | ||
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Minor correction: Maedhros' red hair (probably a dark red-brown, actually) comes to him through his mother, but there is no mention of Nerdanel actually having red hair, so it is probably more accurate to say that it comes from his grandfather, Mahtan (who did have red hair). Seeing as there is actual discussion of hair color in Peoples of Middle-earth, and the red is distinctive enough to bear mentioning, it is reasonable (although I am aware of the logical fallacy) to suppose that Nerdanel's hair was not red. Aranel 22:32, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Citations not used in summary paragraph?
I'm not sure, but I think citations are not used in the summary paragraph. Everything mentioned in the summary paragraph should be repeated later in one of the sections, and referenced at that point. I think! Hence my requests for citations at later points. Still a nice article, but let's get these citations in there! Carcharoth 10:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Just found all the citations in the Trivia section. What I'm wondering is whether the best way to approach this is to say that everything is from The Silmarillion (1977) unless otherwise stated, and to reference the bits mentioned in HoME and other writings. That should, IMO, be the way to tackle articles like this. Somehow intertwine the story biography with the story of the order and sequence in which Tolkien wrote various bits about Maedhros. This involves massive trawling through HoME, but would look nice at the end of it all. Carcharoth 10:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Wrong reference?
I'm not sure, but some of the references seem to have been mixed up in the wrong order. There is a references (currently number 7) that links from the account of the wounding of several of the sons of Feanor at the Hill of Himring, to the boat-burning episode many centuries earlier in Losgar. Not quite sure what is going on there. Carcharoth 10:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Overall suggestion
Following on from the bit about Silmarillion references, above, the bit I am most unclear about, after reading the article, is which bits come from which texts. I'd like to be shown (by references) which bits come from which text. Specifically, which bits are from 'The Silmarillion' (and if possible to have the biographical details in chapter order with the chapters referenced), and then to have the HoME references inserted, either in the main narrative, or at the end, depending on how much they contradict the story in 'The Silmarillion'. It would also be worth explaining this in the lead introduction - something like:
"Most of the story of Maedhros is contained in The Silmarillion, a posthumous work edited by Christopher Tolkien from the writings of his father J. R. R. Tolkien, and published in 1977. More of the writings of J. R. R. Tolkien were published in The History of Middle-earth series of volumes, edited by Christopher Tolkien and published from 1983-1996. This article references details published in both works."
In fact, that could be worked up into a template to use on many articles, similar to the "canon" template. What do people think? Carcharoth 10:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
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