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*'''Keep''' and '''rename''' to ]. Tobias is right, not all of the divisions covered by this cat would be administrative.&mdash;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;(]); 13:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep''' and '''rename''' to ]. Tobias is right, not all of the divisions covered by this cat would be administrative.&mdash;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;(]); 13:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and '''rename''' to ]. per Ëzhiki ] 20:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep''' and '''rename''' to ]. per Ëzhiki ] 20:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
**Such "pseudo-divisions" should not be included. What kind of divisions might these be: "]s", "corporate divisions", "automotive divisions"? Just because a Misplaced Pages editor describes something as a division does not make it so. Regions are not administrative divisions unless they meet the definition. These are technical meanings of phrases that cannot be decided by a vote here, they would require political bodies to change their own legal definitions and usage of the phrase. Please join the reality-based community. --] 17:12, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

*'''comment2''' ] - the subdivision categories survived. So maybe better to use "Category:Historical '''sub'''divisions by country". Especially since a division is allready ''one'' type of entities in administrative context. See: ]. Thus Historical divisions by country would correctly only include those of Pakistan and maybe some that were dissolved in India. It could also refer to historical military units, see the allready existing interference with ] - a category where the administrative entities of Myanmar, India, Bangladesh etc are not allowed to enter. ] ] 21:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC) *'''comment2''' ] - the subdivision categories survived. So maybe better to use "Category:Historical '''sub'''divisions by country". Especially since a division is allready ''one'' type of entities in administrative context. See: ]. Thus Historical divisions by country would correctly only include those of Pakistan and maybe some that were dissolved in India. It could also refer to historical military units, see the allready existing interference with ] - a category where the administrative entities of Myanmar, India, Bangladesh etc are not allowed to enter. ] ] 21:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
**They got a no consensus result so there is no precedent created. --] 22:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC) **They got a no consensus result so there is no precedent created. --] 22:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
**The closer was confused by Conradi's voluminous objections. An actual count shows a clear consensus. As long as a few disruptive influences such as Conradi can override more knowledgable folks, there will never be "consensus". --] 23:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC) **The closer was confused by Conradi's voluminous objections. An actual count shows a clear consensus. As long as a few disruptive influences such as Conradi can override more knowledgable folks, there will never be "consensus". --] 23:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
***IMO Willy should provide evidence for these claims. Fuerthermore: more disruptive to me seems that once again Willy started a poll on this while a discussion was started at ] (for new poll see ]) and he hides certain facts again on purpose or on unability/unwilligness to work cleanly. Willy stated for the second time (even after corrected when doing so the first time) that certain pages are under a certain name, but when examined it turns out he only lately moved them there. ] ] 14:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC) ***IMO Willy should provide evidence for these claims. Fuerthermore: more disruptive to me seems that once again Willy started a poll on this while a discussion was started at ] (for new poll see ]) and he hides certain facts again on purpose or on unability/unwilligness to work cleanly. Willy stated for the second time (even after corrected when doing so the first time) that certain pages are under a certain name, but when examined it turns out he only lately moved them there. ] ] 14:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

*'''Rebuttal''' -- I take great offense at the denigration by Conradi, and use of diminuative name calling. Due to his obvious ignorance of Scottish history, he probably has no idea of the offensiveness of his words.

**Conradi obfuscated the clear results of the previous CfD by putting the following notice on several talk pages of these persons:
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Changlc&diff=prev&oldid=47664176
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Big_Adamsky&diff=prev&oldid=47669133
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:E_Pluribus_Anthony&diff=prev&oldid=47669347
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Earl_Andrew&diff=prev&oldid=47669454

::need your help, kind of urgent, someone wants to split the cats and articles of "subdivisons of XY" to "Administatrive divisions of some countries" and "Political divisions of some other countries".

::could you maybe vote on ]

**Conradi also posted a request to change their vote on the pages of many (all?) of the persons supporting the change:
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Luigizanasi&diff=prev&oldid=47665244
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:David_Kernow&diff=prev&oldid=47665514
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Mayumashu&diff=prev&oldid=47666192
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:The_Minister_of_War&diff=prev&oldid=47666394
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Esprit15d&diff=prev&oldid=47667165
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Carlossuarez46&diff=prev&oldid=47668488
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Carina22&diff=prev&oldid=47668595
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Ezhiki&diff=next&oldid=47581683 through http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Ezhiki&diff=prev&oldid=47972422
***http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Kestenbaum&diff=prev&oldid=48047116

**This last minute vote mongering and voluminous commentary and objections by Conradi caused the closer to ask that the entirety be relisted, and that is at ]).

**As the same technique is occuring here, I ask that this behind the scenes maneuvering be taken into account when closing this request. --] 17:12, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


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Category:NCFCA Clubs

Delete Redundant as Category:NCFCA already exists. Beyond that, it's a NN category with little to no room for growth pm_shef 23:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Musical genres to Category:Music genres

1) name uniformity--the main article uses this format, 2) Google test has more hits for "music genres" (6.3m) over "musical genres" (2.8m) and 3) it further disambiguates the category from "Musical" theatre. --Kunzite 23:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:English speaking countries to Category:Countries where English is spoken

- by extension to the policy on 'by nation'. Whatever is decided here will need to be applied to Category:French speaking countries, Category:German speaking countries. Ian Cairns 18:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved from speedy after objection. Vegaswikian 23:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
It would exclue the US which does not have an official language--it seems to be half? of the category--these don't seem to be well populated categories. --Kunzite 03:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
It would also exclude England! --Mais oui! 08:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
It's questionable whether it is possible for England to have an official language as there is no national or subnational government of England to state what the official language is. If you're talking about the United Kingdom, then it is a matter of debate whether English is an official language. The WP article declares it a de facto official language. Clearly there is no single statute that states "English is the (or an) official language of the United Kingdom"; however, it is the language of Parliament (legislature), of the courts (judiciary) and of the executive branch of government. I'm well aware of the issues regarding the name I suggested, but it has the advantage of verifiability, unlike the current name or the suggested re-name. The fact that IMO it is still debatable whether a language is "official" or not would encourage me to suggest this cat is better as a list where such issues could be recorded, than as a cat. Valiantis 14:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Lucky/unlucky things or events to Category:Luck

Brevity. The category text itself says "Things having to do with luck." Melchoir 23:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Catholic philosophers to Category:Roman Catholic philosophers

Rename. all philosophers listed appear to be (i checked those with Slavic looking names) Roman Catholics and not Eastern Orthodox Christians, Old Catholics, or of any other Catholic sect Mayumashu 23:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Australian organizations to Category:Australian organisations

Created a few days ago and left empty by the creator, presumably because s/he realised it was a duplicate. Merge into Category:Australian organisations. CalJW 21:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC).

Category:Chinese language films to Category:Chinese-language films or Category:Films in Chinese

Category:Films in Cantonese to Category:Cantonese-language films or Category:Cantonese films or Keep

Please see comments below. Category:Chinese language films was renamed from Category:Films in Chinese in February by an admin, acting in good faith to achieve consistency, but without prior discussion. The cat name had previously been discussed in CFD here and consensus was to rename to "Films in Chinese" (the political/linguistic reasons can be seen in the previous discussion). Category:Films in Cantonese was renamed thus at the same time for the same reason (see here) but, presumably as it is a subcat of the Chinese cat, was missed in the general renaming. I'm nominating them here without a specific rename proposal to get a consensus. My vote is Abstain. I haven't included them in the proposal below as I consider the unilateral renaming of the cat in February to be an inappropriate action. However, I would prefer consistency so I also don't want to "vote" for a rename back to "Films in Chinese" at the expense of consistency. Valiantis 21:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Films by language

I nominated the subcats of Category:Films by language for renaming previously (see discussion) but there was no consensus on my proposal to rename all subcats to "Films in Fooian". Some weeks after that failed proposal an admin, acting in good faith to achieve consistency, renamed a number of the subcats without prior discussion. He chose to rename all to the form "Fooian language films" as the majority were (ungrammatically) thus named. The unhyphenated version is at best ambiguous and at worst downright incorrect. Please see hyphen#Rules and customs of usage. I'm now making an alternative proposal as per above so that the names are at least grammatical. Please also see the nomination re: Category:Chinese language films and Category:Films in Cantonese above which I am listing separately. Valiantis 20:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Rome (television) to Category:Rome (TV series)

See Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (television). "Rome (television)" means the general concept of Rome on television. Individual TV series should be glossed with (TV series) in parenthesis. Also matches the article name - Rome (TV series). The category description explicitly states it is about the HBO/BBC TV series not the concept in general. Valiantis 20:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:United Kingdom law enforcement agencies to Category:Law enforcement agencies of the United Kingdom

This sounds awkward because the standard adjective is "British". Most of the categories for other countries are in the form "Law enforcement agencies of Foo. Rename Honbicot 17:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC).

Category:US rail stubs → Category:United States rail stubs

Category:Tenpin Bowling Magazines to Category:Ten-pin bowling magazines

The capitalisation is incorrect and the article for the sport is at ten-pin bowling. Rename Honbicot 17:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC).

Category:World Leading Ten-pin Bowlers

POV. All or most of the articles are already in the appropriate categories (and several other inappropriate ones in some cases) so simply delete. Honbicot 17:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC).

Category:Mycology to Category:Fungi

The two categories cover essentially the same topic. Most articles listed could go in either category; the rest in a subcategory or alternate category. *Merge to Fungi --larsinio (poke) 18:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kids' Choice Awards hosts

I'm not sure how or why this would be useful to anyone. Arniep 14:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:DJ Danger Mouse albums to Category:Danger Mouse albums

Move. Dropping the "DJ" from the title to go along with the move of the article from DJ Danger Mouse to Danger Mouse. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 13:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:European sport to Category:Sport in Europe

Merge duplicate categories. The standard naming for countries is "Sport in Foo", it makes sense to use the same standard for continents. AJR | Talk 10:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Former country subdivisions

Delete -- WP:POINT creation by Tobias Conradi to illustrate his contention of category renaming for Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 4. The term is non-standard, having one badly translated reference in one document. The category itself is not notable, as these few articles are already categorized in their respective countries. --William Allen Simpson 10:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Rebuttal -- I take great offense at the denigration by Conradi, and use of diminuative name calling. Due to his obvious ignorance of Scottish history, he probably has no idea of the offensiveness of his words.
need your help, kind of urgent, someone wants to split the cats and articles of "subdivisons of XY" to "Administatrive divisions of some countries" and "Political divisions of some other countries".
could you maybe vote on Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_4#Category:Subdivisions_by_country_to_Category:Political_divisions_by_country

Category:Indian Bishops to Category:Indian bishops

Capitalisation. Peter Grey 07:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved from speedy after comment. Vegaswikian 05:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge Category:Singles by popularity to Category:Singles

I propose deleting Category:New Zealand top 10 singles and Category:Australian top 10 singles (see below), and moving the only other occupant of this "pretty vacant" (get it?) category - Category:Number one singles - into Category:Singles. I feel that this category is too small and lacking in usefuleness to stand alone, and that Category:Number one singles is sufficiently important to be a level higher. --kingboyk 03:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Delete Category:New Zealand top 10 singles

No other countries see fit to record top 10 singles which - unlike number one hits - are rather unremarkable and potentially very numerous. Also, these two categories are the sole occupants of Category:Singles by popularity besides Category:Number one singles, which is a very healthy category with many subcategories. --kingboyk 03:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete If copied for other countries this could lead to too many singles being in too many categories. Bhoeble 14:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep; I'm all for killing unused categories ... but people are using this one. -- ProveIt 16:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Proveit --larsinio (poke) 18:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete The fact that it is used doesn't make it a good idea. Some singles have made the top ten in fifty or more countries. Scranchuse 20:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete A bad precedent. The number 1s categories should be deleted too as chart success is a poor guide to lasting encyclopedic significance. CalJW 08:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. First, 10 is an arbitrary number to stop at (unless the chart only goes up to 10?) Second, there's a lot more countries in the world than Australia and NZ, and succesful songs will chart in dozens of them, so imagine how many catgories they'd be put in. Also, we don't really have articles about singles, we have articles about songs, so for songs where there's a notable cover version (American Pie, for example), there's no meaningful way to assign "top 10" to the subject of the article, which is "American Pie" the song, not "American Pie" the 2000 single by Madonna. Anyone volunteering to nominate the 'number ones'? Flowerparty? 15:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Delete Category:Australian top 10 singles

No other countries see fit to record top 10 singles which - unlike number one hits - are rather unremarkable and potentially very numerous. Also, these two categories are the sole occupants of Category:Singles by popularity besides Category:Number one singles, which is a very healthy category with many subcategories. --kingboyk 03:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Capitol Broadcasting Company Stations

redundant (Category:Capitol Broadcasting Company) -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Clear Channel Communications Station

redundant -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

See: Category:Clear Channel radio stations
See: Category:Clear Channel television stations

Category:Commercial systems for Computer vision

redundant -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

See: Category:Computer vision/Commercial systems
You're right, it's not allowed. All of those are already up for renaming. -- ProveIt 16:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:History of Azerbaijan/Azerbaijani Atabek State

redundant, blanked by creator -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

See: Category:History of Azerbaijan/The Azerbaijani Atabek State

Category:Hong Kong comparative education researchers

too narrow -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kansas City Chiefs (baseball) players

redundant -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kentucky Derby Winners (racehorse)

redundant -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

See: Category:Kentucky Derby Winners

Category:La Liga Primera División clubs

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Category:Maricopa Community Colleges

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See: Category:Maricopa County Community Colleges
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Category:Mary J Blige

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Category:Metropolitan areas in Belgium

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Category:Metropolitan areas in Finland

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Category:Metropolitan areas in France

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Category:Metropolitan areas in Germany

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Category:Metropolitan areas in Japan

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Category:Metropolitan areas in Portugal

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Category:People in Computer vision

redundant -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

See: Category:Computer vision/People

Category:Political Parties in Sabah

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Category:Royal League seasons

redundant -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

See: Category:Royal League

Category:Shildon

blanked by User:Achmelvic -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Software for Computer vision

redundant -- ProveIt 02:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

See: Category:Computer vision/Software


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