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Deletion review for Isaac Jin Solstein

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Isaac Jin Solstein. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Hasdi Bravo • 14:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Requesting response to request for administrator review

I note that you have not yet responded to the request for review above. As the individual under discussion, I would request that you indicate your response, one way or another. John Carter (talk) 01:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Jayjg is obviously aware of the proceedings. I believe you already have a response. Ignocrates (talk) 01:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Jayjg was the individual you specifically asked to supply the review. I believe it is reasonable to request that he offer some form of indication as to whether or not he believes action should be taken. John Carter (talk) 23:45, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

That's one way to look at it, but silence is also considered an acceptable response to a demand for a yes or no answer in many cultures. Ignocrates (talk) 23:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, do you think you could give Jayjg a chance to respond himself, before chiming in with another comment of your own? He was the one being asked to respond, by both of us, you know. John Carter (talk) 01:07, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been away. I'm not clear on what needs to be reviewed at this point. Can someone explain briefly? Jayjg 17:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I will explain it briefly on my talk page, since I'm the one that raised the complaint. Ignocrates (talk) 19:41, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the best way to review it is the second section to the above, "Request for administrative review." In that section, Ignocrates requested that you review my recent actions to see if they rise to the level of me perhaps surrendering my adminship. As I have said since I became an admin, I am open to recall. So, I believe reviewing that section is probably the best way to determine whether you believe I should surrender adminship, which I believe was the reason Ignocrates requested the review. If you were to look at Ignocrates' page, I believe you should also see his recent comments elsewhere, like at User talk:Dougweller. Also, I note that there seem to be more misstatments of fact in Ignocrates' presentation on his user talk page. Misrepresentation of fact seems to be an ongoing problem in the case of that individual. That, coupled with other allegations made by him in the recent past, and on that page, which have rather ambiguous objective foundation, leads me to believe that, dependent on the nature of your decision, there are sufficient grounds in my opinion to start a thread at AN/I regarding his conduct perhaps in terms of WP:COMPETENCE, WP:POV, WP:HARASS, and perhaps others as well. John Carter (talk) 21:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

John Carter has said he is open to recall, and therefore must have a process by which this can be achieved if warranted. I would not consider a medical condition leading to possible seizures as grounds for an administrative review. Jayjg 03:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I have a process by which de-sysop'ing is to be done in place, on my user page at User:John Carter#Adminship. Baasially, if anyone I respect tells me that I should de-sysop' myself, I will. You have my respect. So, if you think the circumstances warrant it, and indicate as much, I will de-sysop myself. Am I to understand that you do not see such grounds based on the oomment above? John Carter (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't see such grounds. Jayjg 00:29, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello Jayjg. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Misplaced Pages, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang 22:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

slrubinstein

Right now, I am still busy getting together the JSTOR reviews of encyclopedias/dictionaries, and in transferring other citations to my list in development of religion references. Personally, I figure I will probably be more or less busy for at least the rest of the month. However, given the recent developments, I would be willing to offer my assistance in copyediting if there were any sort of effort to improve an article that he found significant up to GA, FA, or whatever, as a memorial to him. I'm not sure who would be in charge of such an effort, if it ever is begun, but I figure you might be keeping up with that a bit better than me. John Carter (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd be glad to help too...and I suggest you inform SlimVirgin directly as well as she may wish to participate.--MONGO 01:13, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Southern Levant/Israel/Palestine/Holy Land/ etc

I just recently reverted an undiscussed move by User:Oncenawhile in which he edited the body and moved the title of Nonferrous Archaeometallurgy in the Southern Levant to Nonferrous Archaeometallurgy in Palestine. Rather than having constant edit wars, is Misplaced Pages going to determine a singular name for this subject or not? These names all refer to slightly different things, however this fact hasn't had much effect on anyone's editing practices. Drsmoo (talk) 05:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that would be possible. As long as there are those who edit solely for the purpose of anti-Israel political point-making, I don't think any sort of sensible resolution is possible. And I use the phrase "edit solely for the purpose of anti-Israel political political point-making" quite deliberately. I've seen editors make pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian edits, but I've never seen any (long-term editors at least) who edit edit solely for the purpose of anti-Palestinian political point-making. By contrast, I've seen many longer-term editors who edit solely for the purpose of anti-Israel political point-making. Note also that "anti-Israel" and "pro-Palestinian" are not the same; almost none of these editors edit in a "pro-Palestinian" way (e.g. highlighting Palestinian culture, achievements, etc.) Rather, they are clearly and only interested in making anti-Israel edits. Jayjg 17:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Richie Branson page

I probably should have contacted you first before placing my version of the page "Richie Branson" up, as you were the deleting admin from its previous incarnation. The version I placed was significantly different from the previous work and provided proofs that the subject meets WP:COMPOSER. Also, as a nerdcore hip-hop artist, he has achieved significantly more press and recognition that most other nerdcore artists who have standing wikipedia pages (compare their article sources to the ones I provided in today's version of Branson's). In fact, none of the other nerdcore hip hop artists have composed, written, or co-written anything that would allow them to meet WP:MUSIC or WP:COMPOSER. They must have met the notability guidelines because they have achieved recognition in the nerdcore sub-genre of music. Given the fact that Branson has achieved just as much recognition in that subgenre, would that not make him notable as a nerdcore artist? Please advise. ZachBrenner (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The discussion on the new article's talk page didn't indicate he met WP:COMPOSER - he wasn't even credited for the songs he was being cited for. Why do you think he does? Please note as well that the AfD was plagued with WP:SPA editors who made claims about this individual that could not be substantiated by reliable sources. Jayjg 17:59, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Here's the logic I used: He is verified on BMI, (short for Broadcast Music, Inc. a de-facto source of imformation as to who has ownership rights in a particular musical work) as a composer/songwriter on the record. BMI's official repertoire not only verifies Marcus Brown II as a composer on the work titled Homegurl (He Gotta), it also verifies Bone as the performing artist. Also, Bone is on record by a reliable news source, San Antonio Express-News, himself stating Branson's involvement as a composer on the song. The BMI source is satisfactory to me, and Bone's confirmation on record with a notable newspaper gives me no reason to doubt Branson's role as a composer in that song. Looking at the previous AfD discussion (which I agree was full of sockpuppet responses), editors cast doubt on the fact that the song charted because no page was cited directly from Billboard showing the song ever charted. The author provided a paywall restricted page from billboard.biz, which only further created doubt. In this incarnation, I provided a direct source from Billboard's official site shows the song charted. It clearly shows Homegurl (He Gotta) holding position 22 on the chart. One of the editors claimed Billboard.com as the de-facto source of information as to whether a song charted or not. I agree with him, and thus I presented evidence from the de-facto source and not a paywall site. Based on that, I'd argue that Branson meets criteria number 1 in WP:COMPOSER, because there is a de-facto source showing he as a composer on a song that another de-facto source verifies as having charted on a national level. Since the composition charted, I believe it to be notable. I feel even stronger about the subject's meeting criteria number 3 in WP:COMPOSER. His composition was used as a basis for future recordings by three highly recognized grammy-award winning artists: Bun-B, The-Dream, and Rick Ross. I provided a source for that as well. That fact also wasn't present in the previous AfD discussion. I also believe the things he's accomplished in the nerdcore genre (none of which had occured prior to the previous article) further suggest notability. His work as an artist, completely unrelated to the billboard-charting song he produced, has been featured on a variety of notable web publications and shows, I have included all those as sources in this article as well. Comparing my sources to those presented in long-standing wikipedia articles of other nerdcore artists, I'd confidently argue that Branson is no less notable than most other artists in the genre. ZachBrenner (talk) 18:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

What is the reliable source backing up the claim that he meets criteria 1 and 3 of WP:COMPOSER? Regarding "Comparing my sources to those presented in long-standing wikipedia articles of other nerdcore artists", please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. Jayjg 18:59, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Here is the track with Bun B, Rick Ross, and The-Dream listed directly on Bone's official profile on the official site of The Island Def Jam Group -http://www.islanddefjam.com/artist/discography_single.aspx?artistID=7410&productID=12297

While I'm satisfied by the tracklist as it is directly on Def Jam's website, I listened to the song for confirmation here as well:

http://www.last.fm/music/Bone/_/Homegurl+(Remix)+(Feat.+Bun+B,+Rick+Ross,+And+The-Dream)

I have no doubt that the previous article was deleted due to a combination amateur source gathering and the author + SPA's immature handling of questions from other editors. Hopefully some consideration can be taken to the fact that what I've constructed this time around has more substance than the previous article. Regards, ZachBrenner (talk) 19:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The source you brought is not WP:SECONDARY, and doesn't mention Branson. Jayjg 19:46, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps. However, Island Def Jam's official site confirms the existense of three grammy award winning artists participating on a 'remix' (a term univerally used to describe a derivative of an original musical composition) of a song Branson is known to have composed. It is worth mentioning that this 'remix' can be heard on a variety of media projects, and audibly the composed music is identical to that of the original 'Homegurl (He Gotta)', confirming it is based on the original song Branson was involved in. I'm curious to know how that factors into this. As for WP:OTHERSTUFF I'm arguing that not for the sake of letting the article stand, but for the fact that it suggests that my article shouldn't have been a candidate for speedy deletion. That is totally acceptable per WP:OTHERSTUFF. Thank you for taking the time to engage in this discussion by the way. The article I've provided is substantially different from the one that was removed via AfD previously, therefore I don't see cause for speedy deletion. I can understand it going through a new AfD discussion at the most, but I strongly believe this article has a better leg to stand on that it's previous version. ZachBrenner (talk) 20:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

"Perhaps"? The source you brought is not WP:SECONDARY, and doesn't mention Branson. Jayjg 21:53, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Why delete

Hi, why did you delete my article "Abdur Raheem Green"?

The rule states "A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion.". The article I created was clearly not an identical copy, as I had no access to the originally deleted article. Also, since the deletion of the first article, the person has become much more notable. So how can it possibly be "sufficiently identical/unimproved", if circumstances have changed?

Also, why was my dispute ignored?

Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the previous article was that the person did not meet the requirements of WP:BIO. Your comments did not include any material to indicate that had changed, and the article had only one reliable source, and that one only mentioned him briefly. Jayjg 19:41, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

In every way. http://www.peacetv.in/sp-abdurraheem_green.php http://www.islamessentials.org/instructors/abdurraheem-green/ http://islamevents.com/speakers/speaker_detail.php?spid=10 http://www.iera.org.uk/speakers_arg.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1239543/The-fanatic-invited-jihad-cleric-address-British-students.html?ITO=1490 http://www.islamsgreen.org/ http://www.halaltube.com/speaker/abdur-raheem-green to name a few

Have you even tried googling his name? To determine this highly important figure as un-notable is absolutely preposterous Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 19:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

As I noted, only one of these sources (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1239543/The-fanatic-invited-jihad-cleric-address-British-students.html?ITO=1490) conforms with WP:SECONDARY and WP:RS, and that one only mentions him briefly. Please read WP:RS and WP:BASIC. Jayjg 19:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Sir, with all due respect, this is absolutely preposterous. He is a hugely influential figure in the Muslim community, famous around the world for his speeches, he is a famous presenter on Islam Channel and Peace TV, he founded an important Islamic Academy, he is a frequent guest speaker on shows such as The Deen show, he is a key lecturer in the education academy he founded, and he is simply a renowned public speaker, one only needs to do a quick search on YouTube for his hundreds of talks and speeches which are given in front of audiences of thousands and are also televised. Googling his name in speech marks (so you get pages that list his exact full name) and you get 1m+ hits. Type his name into the google box and the first two predictive suggestions you get are "Abdur Raheem Green wiki" and "Abdur Raheem Green wikipedia". And you are telling me he cannot have a Misplaced Pages article? Simply bewildering. Obviously if we cannot agree a consensus I'll be making a deletion review. Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages requires reliable secondary sources. Again, please review WP:BASIC - if you can't prove Green meets its requirements, a deletion review is unlikely to be successful. Jayjg 20:01, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Relax. If this person is notable, the article will be recreated. I recommend you reading up on WP:N and WP:RS. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:01, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I won't relax. I think it's damn well obvious that this man would have an article if he was a Christian or a Jew. The fact that such an influential figure does not even have a Misplaced Pages page is a slap in the face to all Muslims. I'll not only be making a post in deletion review, but also a personal appeal/complaint to Jimbo about the abundance of anti-Islamic agendas operating behind the scenes and what the hell he can do about it. Thanks Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Fine. If my help isn't appreciated, I'm done. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

LGW, The article was deleted because in its existing state it failed WP:BIO. That's the only reason. Do not again impugn any Misplaced Pages editors by stating or implying anything different. Jayjg 01:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Jayjg, that you would say the Daily Mail article only mentions him briefly is bizarre. The last four paragraphs of the article are exclusively about the man. Looking over it myself, this guy is so obviously notable from a cursory Google News search that the article's repeated deletion completely boggles my mind. If it will help here is some of the stuff I uncovered with a very basic search: .--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Four paragraphs in one news article about a different person is nowhere near enough to satisfy WP:BIO. If only those other sources had also been used in the article, or even presented as possible sources. Jayjg 02:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Funny how, instead of doing a simple search and making sure the person wasn't notable, you simply hit the "delete" button.Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Funny how, instead of actually finding reliable secondary sources for your article, you instead berate other editors with false claims. Don't do it again. Jayjg 00:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

NZXT

Can you elaborate what needs to be done on for this page not to be deleted? I'm assuming "find more sources for notability" would be a good start, given the deletion discussion. ☭ cmn ☭ ( ❝❞ /✍ ) 20:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, WP:GNG would be a good start. Jayjg 19:41, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Abdur Raheem Green

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Abdur Raheem Green. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Your block on 131.123.122.38

Just to let you know that I have asked the checkuser MuZemike (see here) to have a look at the edits of 131.123.123.124 and see if there is a case for a block on the later and/or a range block. He has been dealing with the MMA socks. Mtking 20:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Richie Branson

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Richie Branson. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ZachBrenner (talk) 21:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The Menachem Mendel Schneerson page?

Hi. I noticed you keep restoring an unsourced sentence (and one which also makes no sense), to the Menachem Mendel Schneerson page. I'm new here, but have read the guidelines carefully and they seem pretty clear that only reliably sourced information should be added. What am I missing? Jake — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.90.111.170 (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

The issue is with User:Deah zoger/User:Kibush/User:Lubavicher/User:71.183.145.114/User:108.14.195.244 and you, who keep inserting WP:MOS violations into the article. Please encourage him to review WP:CREDENTIAL and WP:HONORIFIC. Misplaced Pages articles do not insert "Rabbi" before all instances of a rabbi's name, nor do they insert transliterations like "moshiach" beside English words like "messiah", nor do they subscribe to the notion that Menachem Mendel Schneerson is still alive - as, for example, you did with this edit. If you continue, both you and the other editor will inevitably be blocked. Jayjg 22:10, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

heya

Jayg- sounds more to me like 'jew'. good job favoring keeping the list of laureates. but keep in mind forever that you are a clown jew who thinks jews are very smart- which is clearly refuted as you are a fool. Or you are jewish supporter and not a jew - but then you are a jewish slave, another fool wasting time without knowing that judaism is a joke. there is no other option of your identity as I explained both to you. Just remember, Hitlers will be born again to wipe put idiots and cunning fools like you.38.114.81.204 (talk) 23:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)