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Bias

This article is completley biased against holocaust deniers. The claims are apparently examined, but all I can see is a basic introduction. It doesn't even state any of the key evidence which supports the claims, such as it's impossible to cremate over 2000 people in one day using 5 ovens with 15 muffles, which apparently happened in Auschwitz-Birkenau crematoria 2. The article gladly displays uncited 'evidence' in support of the holocaust. This article should contain both sides of the story, not uncited evidence about the holocaust and a bunch of name-calling against deniers. 2.25.254.114 (talk) 14:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

In much the same way the Misplaced Pages entry on the planet eath is totally and unreasonably biased against flat-earthers. Oh and yes, it most certainly is possible, as has been proven time and time again by peiople who actually know what they are talking about. Consult the nizkor project for more details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.41.140.2 (talk) 15:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Just thought I'd mention—we have an article on Nizkor Project. Bus stop (talk) 15:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality does not mean giving equal side to all sides of a dispute. You need reliable sources for claims. I shall work on including more citations for the article itself. Furthermore, please see Misplaced Pages policies on:

• WP:UNDUE - Undue weight
• WP:FRINGE - Fringe theories
• WP:RELIABLE - Reliable Sources

--Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, the article that deals in more depth with the claims is here:

• Criticism of Holocaust denial

--Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:46, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Holocaust deniers don't come out with wild uncited claims. All you have to do is some basic maths and logic, and even a chimpanzee would see sense in what we are saying. I feel compelled to write a new section entitled "Examination of the claims", with actual detail about the claims, and not implications of bigotry toward holocaust deniers. 2.25.234.199 (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Make sure it's cited to reliable sources. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 16:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

A wise person once summed up Misplaced Pages philosophy as: "Your opinion, and mine, are unimportant. What is important is sourcing."

Misplaced Pages operates by using reliable sources and not our personal opinions. You will need a reliable source attesting to your claims before they can be added to the article. Also, Neutrality does not mean giving undue weight to scientifically incorrect or minority positions. Do not insert original research WP:NOR. Any information that you include that does not follow WP policies may very well be removed. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I came to this article because of the National Socialist Movement presence in Florida in response to the Trayvon Martin killing. The NSM website had a .pdf file for FAQs, one of which discussed Holocaust denial. And so I came here looking for facts. This topic would benefit greatly from the inclusion of claims and the evidence refuting those claims. Such an inclusion should be completely uncontroversial. TreacherousWays (talk) 18:59, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Criticism of Holocaust denial is the main article examining their claims. More could be ported over to the main article. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Inconsistency

This article says Canada bans Holocaust denial, but laws against Holocaust denial does not. That article says Bosnia and Herzegovina bans it, but this one does not. From what I can tell, Bosnia has merely proposed a ban but not adopted one, while Canada actually has a ban. - Biruitorul 21:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

A Question

Will someone explain to me why denialist claims about the Nanjing Massacre are given serious coverage here on wiki, while Holocaust denialism is pretty much dismissed casually? I find both generally abhorrent, but I do think there should be more thorough coverage of the denialist arguments instead of what reads like an article full of shot-taking and insinuations of anti-semitism directed at anybody who doubts the general consensus. AnAimlessRoad (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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