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Be weary of the information that is presented in this article.

In the opening of this article it says that the Jashari brothers were killed together with 60 other albanians, the author does not mention that the Jashari clan was wiped out leaving only a little girl alive.

25 of the victims were women and small children. There is no such thing as an unintentioned massacre of so many noncombatants in a war fought with groundforces. Source: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5D91230F933A25750C0A96E958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

The article is outragously one sided.--Durim Durimi (talk) 12:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC) 0

What you forgot to mention about those "60 other Albanians" is that most of them were sick-minded terrorists belonging to the terrorist organization known as KLA who killed innocent Serbian civilians and attacked Serbian police. Another thing is that KLA is the one guilty for murder of civilians, Serbian police saved Albanians civilians who surrendered, but Adem together with other terrorists didn't allow his family members and civilians to leave, he even killed his own nephew. Terrorists attacked police and knew that police will find them so they decided to kill their own families with them by not allowing them to leave until deadline expired, so that everything could be published as a massacre. Another clear prove that KLA is guilty for this is that Serbian police saved all civilians who surrendered. --Forsena (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

You need to stop reading serbian propaganda. Show me the source of your statements, please.

Is this your typical UCK combatant? http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs1.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs24.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs2.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs3.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs22.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs5.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs10.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs6.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs11.htm

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs13.htm --Durim Durimi (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Durim Durimi (talk • contribs) 15:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

If that is your response, then PATHETIC. First of all where do you see Serbian propaganda? I just told you the facts. The source is BBC itself sick minded terrorist Adem and his brother with other KLA psycho terrorist members were the only one responsible for the murder of those civilians. You sent me couple of pictures that could even be Serbian civilians. No proves, just pictures that could be from First Chechen War too. They have nothing to do with Prekaz massacre as far as I can see.

But these are clearly KLA massacres with clear proves including date, and KLA uniforms.

This is what sick minded terrorist idiots Adem Jashari, Hamez Jashari and other KLA members did until Serbian police stopped them:

http://www.kosovoliberationarmy.com/

As you can see the site includes large number of proves of ethnic cleansing of Serbs from their land, Kosovo-Metohia. These are not just pictures, they contain exact date, description, sources, victim names, locations names of the KLA terrorists etc.

In the pictures you can see what they did, they decapitated heads of innocent Serbian civilians, attacked, wounded and murdered young children even babies (in Prizren), burned Serbian villages, expelled, killed and attacked Serbs, destroyed HUNDREDS of Christian churches etc etc. --Forsena (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

First of all, there is no proof whatsoever about UCK themselves destroying churches. Second of all, those pictures of dead serbs are men of battle ready age. Sure the decapitation was a little to much but you can not compare it with the policies of the serbian state to wipe out the albanians. Get your facts straight and understand what you leaders have done and convinced you of.--Durim Durimi (talk) 14:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The above I just read from user Durim Durimi is the worst hate speech I heard for a long time. Of course there is proof UCK bombed churches, everyone knows it, but it doesn't matter because the whole world saw the videos of large number of sick-minded Albanians (Albanian people) destroying and burning 200 churches in just two days, the churches that date back to 10th to 14th centuries that are the symbol and proof the Kosovo-Metohia land was always Serbian, before Albanians even existed. If you are still asking for proof see this I bet Albanian civilians didn't have bombs to attack the church. You simply can't deny it. Second, as you can see none of the cases above [

http://www.kosovoliberationarmy.com/] had any connections with the military, for God sake they are only innocent civilians children, babies, old people and women, you're trying to ignore it. The description is very detailed with arguments even from USA. The thing that shocked me more than anything I've read on Misplaced Pages was that you think that decapitation of the Serbian civilians was just "little to much". Policy of the Serbian state to do what? Pure terrorist UCK propaganda Hahahah... what about the fact that even now every year more and more Serbs are expelled, attacked, killed, injured, Serbian villages and churches destroyed in Kosovo-Metohia? What leaders convinced me? What are you talking about? Our leader is an idiot, we have the worst government we could imagine and you tell me they convinced me in something? I can't wait that our leader and government changes... --Forsena (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Both of you please drop the rhetoric and focus on improving the article. This is not a forum to discuss the Kosovo War or this battle. I'm tempted to blank the entire section. // Chris 00:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I propose to give this article at least two sides of the story.

This is the source i am thinking of using amongst others that i will present later on.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5D91230F933A25750C0A96E958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

But for now i want to discuss the relyability of the main source on this article. Is a wartime article named "Belgrade's official version of events" really that reliable? The main source of this article was made in the beginning of the Kosovo war. Countrys in war filter their information, and this article does not suggest otherwise.

I suggest that this source should be used with caution. I dont think we should throw it away because it is one of few if not the only article that tells the story of Prekaz from the serbian perspective. We should use a reliable source to compare events and only use the statements wich the two sources agree on.

Are you ready to work with me or not? --Durim Durimi (talk) 21:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

You should probably know there should be no POV or two POVs on articles NPOV must be mantained... Sources are Human Right Watch and BBC news so I really don't see the problem... --Forsena (talk) 17:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, speak english. Whats a POV, and how can you see an article named "Belgrades official version of events" as reliable?

The only part of the article that comes from human rights watch is this piece of text: "At dawn of March 5, 1998, the KLA launched another attack on police patrol in Donje Prekaze". This is serious bussiness, you have to search your soul very deeply before you deny what has happened in Prekaz.

Here is an article that gives a little more unbiased view of the events that took place in Prekaz. What do you think about it?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5D91230F933A25750C0A96E958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

To further proove that your source is in fact biased you have here an article written by BBC two years after your BBC article was published.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/674056.stm

Misplaced Pages is NOT a a place for serbian propaganda. Are you ready to work with me or not, because i will fix this problem with or without you. --Durim Durimi (talk) 11:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

References used in the article

I want to discuss about references used in the article:

1. Kosovo killings: Belgrade's official version of events, this article is not a BBC article at all, as you can see in the title of the article where it say: Kosovo killings: Belgrade's official version of events, on the page's footer it says: Source: Tanjug news agency, Belgrade, in English 2156 gmt 11 Mar 98, so it means that it is a literal translation from Tanjug News Agency (a news agency from Belgrade). So does using this article as a source, break the NPOV? Using Serbia's POV to write a NPOV article?

I think that using the NY Times article and the BBC article regarding the event (as Durim Durimi mentioned above), is in fact the most accurate, grounded and that maintains NPOV than Kosovo killings: Belgrade's official version of events (an English translation from the Tanjug news agency).

The very same article (Kosovo killings: Belgrade's official version of events) is also being used in the article regarding Adem Jashari (as I'm discussing even there about the same concern), it seems that somebody is trying to push his/her POV on these articles.

2. Humans Right Watch, the website is outdated, I don't know what is written on it even that I spent time browsing HRW's site for a while and couldn't find anything.

If you have anything to add, please discuss in here, otherwise I'm going to restructure the article and make it neutral, thank you.--kedadi (talk) 23:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

1.It is highly important to show other side, which is posted on BBC. There is nothing wrong there. As BBC published it, it is reliable. And it is clear that it is Official Yugoslav version of event. Why to delete it? It will be POV without that. And regarding other source, conclusions like "In Milosevic's Serbia this is, of course, an all too normal policing action." are not neutral. Even if it was so. You may add source, if you want, but Belgrade version will stay, in all Kosovo related article. That is only possible way to obtain NPOV.

2. Human Rights watch changed their archive. You may remove empty link, i will find it, but it is boring, so i can't now! :) It is report, on 10-04 1998. P421_51838. --Tadija 20:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Start of the war (NPOV)

No one mentioned the attack on Serb border guards by Albanians........ no one mentioned that this happened before the Prekaz attack (Verbatimdat (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC))

I agree. More information should be included in article. It is not NPOV like this. --Tadija (talk) 11:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

What the attack on Serb border guards has with the killings of civilians? --Mladifilozof (talk) 03:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Sources

Info is sourced and detail. I will agree on its removal if you can give me some good counter-source... Otherwise, it is just IDONTLIKEIT... --WhiteWriter 15:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I am not that IP, if you were pointing at me... --WhiteWriter 16:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

P.P.S. Are you questioning data that Jashari and his group where terrorist's officially? At least, at the time? I know that he is "hero of Kosovo", but c'mon, we have soooo many sources for that, that i hardly think we should question that data... --WhiteWriter 16:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

When reverting he probably questioned the representation of sources."On 14 December 1998, unidentified gunmen killed six young Kosovo Serbs in the Panda Bar in Pec. The attack was considered to be in revenge for the killing of 30 UCK members who had been shot while crossing the border illegally a few days earlier. i.e source misinterpretation.--— ZjarriRrethues —  00:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, fixed... --WhiteWriter 12:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

HRW Report

What is the cause of this rampant abuse of the human rights report?

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• Unassessed Kosovo articles
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