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Revision as of 23:40, 27 April 2012 editSlimVirgin (talk | contribs)172,064 editsm moved new post to end← Previous edit Revision as of 23:50, 27 April 2012 edit undoBetty Logan (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers78,510 edits William John SullivanNext edit →
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Contact Sullivan using the information on the and ask him if ''wjsullivan.net'' is his website. --] (]) 23:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC) Contact Sullivan using the information on the and ask him if ''wjsullivan.net'' is his website. --] (]) 23:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

:Ok, thankyou for going to the effort to establish the authorship of the site. It's a pretty ropey looking site for a computer programmer, but the main thing is that we can now explicitly link it to him. ] (]) 23:50, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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  • Tom Lenk of Buffy fame has stated he his on his way to full fledged veganism and has not consumed animal products for over a year

Sources = http://www.vegtv.com/videolist_celebrities.htm / http://www.animal-lib.org.au/interviews/uri/

Discuss.

I wouldn't trust Uri Geller. He advocated veganism in The Vegan Society's first film 'Truth or Dairy' (1994), yet ate yoghurt on a live breakfast TV programme not long after (causing the Society considerable embarrassment).

96.224.202.145 02:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)RussellSimmons

he is also a vegan if you checked his episode of cribs (mtv) he tells you that and he does yoga

Ted Danson

I deleted Ted Danson from this list because the source quoted mentions that he eats fish

Jorge Garcia (Hurley from Lost)

He's apparently gone vegan but I don't have a good ref for it. Muleattack (talk) 21:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Sara Gilbert

According to her wiki page she is vegan - http://en.wikipedia.org/Sara_Gilbert Muleattack (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately it isn't sourced, but if she is involved in PETA it shouldn't be too hard to find one, possibly from the PETA site. Betty Logan (talk) 02:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Sources

Betty, I was wondering, per this revert, why someone's website would not be a reliable source for whether that person was a vegan. So long as the person is notable enough to have a WP article, their own website discussing their veganism would surely be the most reliable source. SlimVirgin 22:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Self-published sources are never acceptable unless we can corroborate their authorship. Take Twitter for example, only verified accounts are permitted as self-published sources on Misplaced Pages since actions are taken to ascertain the identity of the account holder. Similarly, if there was a published article or a work profile that identified this site as belonging to the person in question then that would probably be ok. That said, if he is publicly vegan there is probably a secondary source out there that we can use instead. Betty Logan (talk) 23:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Self-published sources may be used to discuss themselves, so long as there is no reason to doubt who the author is. The policy is at WP:SELFPUB. For a list like this, a self-published (or primary) source is the best kind, because only the subject can know whether she's a vegan. So long as the source isn't being used to establish notability (i.e. so long as the subject has a WP article based on other sources), then there is no problem. SlimVirgin 16:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
You're missing the point; there are plenty of self-published sources used to cite the claims on this list, that is not the problem. The point is about substantiating that the site belongs to the person in question. For a verified Twitter account steps have been taken to verify the identity of the account holder; for an official band website the site can usually be proven to represent the band members. In this case there is no evidence that the website belongs to the person in question—for all we know the editor who added the person could have set it up. Anyone can set up a website and pretend to be someone else, or indeed be confused with someone else. If it can be proven the website belongs to the person then it is a credible SPS source, if not then it isn't. Betty Logan (talk) 17:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
The policy (WP:SELFPUB) doesn't say that a self-published source has to be authenticated. It says: " there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity." In the case of the website in question, there's nothing to suggest that it's not his; it's referred to as his on other websites; and he mentions on several pages that he's vegan, or lists vegan restaurants, refers to vegan food, etc. So it seems a reliable-enough source for this point, under the policy. If it were a contentious issue, I'd agree with you, but for something like this it seems good enough. SlimVirgin 18:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
The reason the guideline doesn't say that is because it is blindlingly obvious we must be able authenticate that a self-published source is by the subject. The list has a pretty decent standard of sourcing, in that all the sources are either secondary sources or self-published sources which we can authenticate are published by the subject and I see no compelling reason to compromise that. All I can suggest is that you take it up at WP:RSN and get them to ok it as a reliable source if you honestly think it is acceptable. Betty Logan (talk) 20:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Betty, it's not a guideline, it's part of the sourcing policy, WP:V. I actually wrote that part of the policy, and the reason it doesn't require authentication is that active authentication would be an unreasonable burden. I agree with you that, for anything contentious, or where there is reasonable doubt about authenticity, we should avoid self-published sources, but for material that's consistent with SELFPUB, they are fine. SlimVirgin 20:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

William John Sullivan

On his website, William John Sullivan states that he is vegan..
Whether or not wjsullivan.net is actually his website is being questioned by the Misplaced Pages user Betty Logan who removed Sullivan from the list of vegans, so I will provide two ways that this user might be able to set their mind at ease.
Way 1:
Sullivan's apparent website is wjsullivan.net and his apparent preferred online name is johnsu01
We know that Sullivan is the Executive Director of the Free Software Foundation and that this foundation's website is fsf.org .
So, now what we need is a connection from Sullivan's confirmed work website (fsf.org) to his apparent personal website (wjsullivan.net) or to his apparent preferred online name (johnsu01).
There are two archived documents at fsf.org that provide a decent connection to both.
Way 2:
Contact Sullivan using the information on the fsf.org contact page and ask him if wjsullivan.net is his website. --Andomedium (talk) 23:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thankyou for going to the effort to establish the authorship of the site. It's a pretty ropey looking site for a computer programmer, but the main thing is that we can now explicitly link it to him. Betty Logan (talk) 23:50, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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