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Geoff_NoNick (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a new editor, he keeps deleting factually correct information from the List of conflicts in Canada article. I discussed the matter with him at the articles user talk page. He disagrees with the reverts and has posted me as a sock puppet of someone named WritersCramp Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/WritersCramp. Would you please remove my name from the request page and speak this person about proper etiquette at Misplaced Pages. If you believe I am a sockpuppet of this editor please close my wiki account. I will move on to another hobby. Thank you SirIsaacBrock 19:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello, is anyone looking into this matter? I have not heard anything yet. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 12:25, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

You can ask for a checkuser request to try to prove you and WritersCramp are different editors (assuming you are). I am unable to perform this check for you. Superm401 - Talk 03:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I did a check user and they said "Inconclusive" so I need a third party to remove my name from Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/WritersCramp. I cannot do it myself, it has to be an admin, thank you SirIsaacBrock 09:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Why is nobody looking into this matter?? SirIsaacBrock 12:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The RFCU was inconclusive, please feel free to post to that effect on the RFC. RFCs cannot take binding action against editors, so it will not mitigate against you. Stifle (talk) 23:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Proxy/anonymizing IP

Please, add the following proxy IP to your banned IP list: 65.19.174.35. According to http://cqcounter.com/whois/, this IP is that of the email anonymizing company Primedius (http://www.primedius.com).

E-mail aonymizing, therefore not a open web proxy. Mike _{(T C)} 01:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

It's not an open proxy, true, but still a proxy. People can hide behind such proxy IP, vandalize Misplaced Pages, act irresponsibly under cover of anonimity. It should therefore be banned along with all open proxies.

If it doesn't proxy HTTP traffic (and it apparently doesn't), it's not an issue for us. If you find evidence it does proxy HTTP, let us know. Superm401 - Talk 03:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I wish we could allow anonymous proxies. Maybe it'd be a good idea to disable non-logged-in editing and enable open proxies. I think that'd be better. cookiecaper (talk / contribs) 17:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

It would certainly be better in terms of promoting the posting of content which is illegal. Whether than would improve Misplaced Pages is another question entirely. Often illegal material is an improvement, I admit, but more often it is a disimprovement. Moreover, the majority of uses of anonymity have more to do with offensive behaviour than with unlawful behaviour. A wiki version of rotten.com might have a use, but I would prefer not to go there myself.Aminorex 14:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Extensive internal spamming?

Please have a look at Special:Contributions/Rgulerdem, for a long list of user pages that have been visited to leave a message about Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics. Is this allowed? --KimvdLinde 00:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Tiger loose

Looks like there's a tiger named Rgulerdem (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) loose in the natural history museum and he's performing WP:SPAM#Internal_spamming.

Resid appears to have spammed upwards of one hundred (if not more) user's talk pages.

The following is just a sample of it. See some of the rest here and here (do note the blind alphabetical order he's following).

spam 01 User talk:Borincano75
spam 02 User talk:BonsaiViking
spam 03 User talk:Blarneytherinosaur
spam 04 User talk:Benzai
spam 05 User talk:Ben davison
spam 06 User talk:Beau99
spam 07 User User talk:Bcat
spam 08 User talk:Banes
spam 09 User talk:Awcolley
spam 10 User talk:Averykrouse
spam 11 User talk:Archola
spam 12 User talk:Andrewski
spam 13 User talk:Andrewa
spam 14 User talk:Zjhafeez
spam 15 User talk:Zereshk

Might be worthy of a bit of admin attention... but I could be wrong of course.

Netscott 00:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

User:Rgulerdem has been notified of this report. Netscott 00:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Currently there is a discussion going on at Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics. I am inviting people to the discussion. More input from the community will help better. Resid Gulerdem

01:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• User:Rgulerdem has managed to even spam User:Guettarda the admin who blocked him yesterday for 3RR violation.... seems to be rather blind spamming. Netscott 01:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

User has been blocked for 31 hours for talk page spamming. I will unblock (or will not contest another admin's unblock) if he apologizes and promises not to do it again. Kelly Martin (talk) 01:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Ordinarily I'd tend to agree about the unblock after apology... but you might want to be aware of this 3RR report from yesterday that will put his spamming in perspective. Also perhaps take note of the bad faith and false 'revenge' 3RR report he filed against me. Netscott 01:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• • Despite my constant banging the drum that we warn and then block only as a preventative measure, Kelly's block is quite fair in this case. That's a karmafist-worthy list of talk page contributions he's made. - brenneman 01:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

If you read those above from the bottom up, they are in alphabetical order. -Splash 01:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that was part of why I blocked. It seemed obvious to me that he would have continued all the way to "Z" if not stopped. He's still demanding a reference to the rule against spamming; I'm not yet willing to unblock. Kelly Martin (talk) 01:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Well durable block or apology/unblock... good admining on the part of Kelly Martin, thanks. ;-) Netscott 01:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

General consensus after the User:Ram-Man duel lisence thing was that spaming is bad however as WP:SPAM#Internal_spamming we never put together any solid rules. The problem is in defineing spam and the like. For example putting the same message on a large number of userpages appears to have become ingrained in WP:RFA culture. Bulk bot produced unserlictored messages are a key part of our anti copyvio stratergy (or at least a key part of minimiseing complaints about it). So yes the user is correct that there is no rule agaist spaming. If we look at WP:BLOCK the cloest policy to being aplicable is Users who exhaust the community's patience. However that is mostly meant to be for permablocks.Geni 02:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• I'm still learning about WikiPedia and I'm not familiar with how WP:RFA works, are mass WP:RFA User_talk page postings done absolutely blindly? Netscott 02:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but in that case the people spammed are the people that actually bothered to vote, not some random number of people you've never met. —Ruud 02:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks Ruud for the response, but what you are describing doesn't sound too blind to me... if they voted then it sounds a bit more "Opt-in". Netscott 02:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• And Rgulerdem is using a list from somewhere.Geni 02:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yup, some users are identified as either muslim or christian, the groups that most likely would be in favour of some censorship at wikipedia. KimvdLinde 02:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

No. The groups most likely to be in favor of censorship are the various people with strong political opinions. Of course they won't help his particular case. The old Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency might once have been a logical place to start if it hadn't collapsed into a rather messy VDF.Geni 03:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You guys seem to mix up something. Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics is not pro-Censorship. Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics is pro-Ethics. Censorship would mean, that an admin blocks your content because he finds it unsuitable. Ethics rather means, that the editor himself thinks about what and what not to write. That's a big difference, if you make an effort to think about it. Raphael1 04:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

(removing indent)

He also sent out spams on the 10th and 12th of March. On that occasion his spamlist was partly composed of users who voted object on the censorship policy poll. I suggest someone request him to share the origins of his spamlist on his talk page. It might be a good criteria for unblocking. ॐ Metta Bubble 03:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's pretty obvious he used Category:Christian Wikipedians for the A's and B's and Category:Muslim Wikipedians for the Z's. —Ruud 04:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I had a polite conversation with User:Rgulerdem where he indicated to my satisfaction that he intends to continue talk page spamming. I have therefore extended his block by 72 hours. Nandesuka 12:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Sometimes we don't need hard and fast rules, we just need to do what is right. Asking for specific rules that prohibit a disruptive action is wikilawyering and not helpful. The block is covered under disruption. And finally the spamming is more likely to make people vote against the proposal anyway, but that's not an excuse to allow it. - Taxman 13:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Response

Although I made an explanation above, my account is blocked, unfortunately. I would like to repeat my response to this accusation again. I hope that I can find some democrat admins here to listen what I am saying. Misbehaving users are no good for Wiki but admins misusing their previliges is even worse and may lead to chaos.

Admins should use their privilages wisely and consciously. Only then it may help to keep the place safe. Warning before blocking is not a luxury, it is a standard. Asking about the reasons for an editor's actions, if not well understood by an admin, is not a luxury, it is so wise. Asking and warning doesnt take more than 5 min and doesn't make Wiki a volnerable place. It rather creates a better and friendly atmosphere. There is no need for strong formality if and only if admins following well-established ethics and standards. The definitions of acceptible and unacceptable should not vary from one admin to another. If there is unclearity on an issue, they need to use extra caution. In a civil environment the standards are not only for poor ordinary users, but also for admins. An admin who is not so careful in his decisions distrup Wiki from functioning as well as a user who do not care about it. Unfairly blocked users are a good exapmle of disruption.

What I was doing was not spamming. I was just letting a selected group of people who might not be aware of the proposal and who might want to know about it. (Babylon - spamming: simultaneous sending of an irrelevant message to a large number of discussion groups on the Internet). I my case I am blocked without a prior warning, and blocked for 31 hours, and blocked on subjective decision of an admin which is extended subjective decision of another. 'Assumeing good faith' should not be just a link for the admins to color their talks, when talking to ordinary users.

I am expecting an apology from the admins involved for their poor behaviour against me and a promise regarding that they won't misuse their priviliges anymore towards anyone. I should add that I would like to see this incident as a mistake which should not be generelized for all actions of the admins involved, neither to the community of admins. I am sure and in fact I know that there are many who are doing their jobs as good as possible.

I checked my account and it was unblocked. I am signing my name as you see here. I hope some admins here won't ask me pay for the flaw in the system, if there is. Thanks. Resid Gulerdem 21:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Question

Based on the explanations above, I would like to keep informing a selected group of people who might want to know about the proposal and who might be interested. I would like to make it clear with you that there is no problem with that. Please let me know what do you think about it. I believe informing a group of people is nothing to do with spam and should be welcomed in Wiki. Thanks... Resid Gulerdem 21:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• This is not innocent "informing a group of people" so much as astroturfing. It is not kosher to attempt to radically shape polls in the way you have. I don't personally have an opinion as to if you should've been blocked for it, but it is certainly something you should not have done and should not do in the future. --Improv 19:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a reasonable question. I'm afraid I think the block was technically an abuse of admin powers, but I don't think there's any point in taking this further. It would be different if any of the recipients of the message had complained, but there's been no evidence presented of this. And, at the very least, IMO a warning should have been given before the block.

The root cause of the problem seems to be an attempt to gag this user by calling a poll on a policy proposal for the express purpose of getting it rejected. The opponents of this draft policy have declared that, assuming the poll fails (as is IMO certain, the proposal is not nearly ready to be a guideline, let alone a policy) that the proposed policy will then instantly become a failed proposal. What this means is unclear, but unfortunately an admin has suggested (I hope in jest) that they would then be willing to just delete the proposal. IMO the tactic of calling such negative polls is to be discouraged. As far as I can see it does not violate any policy or guideline except perhaps WP:POINT, but it seems a pure waste of time. Assuming that this poll is rejected, that does not IMO prevent the proposers from working further on it, and calling a new poll when they are ready to do so. However the proposer is relatively new, and I think it is understandable that they should be worried about this apparent attempt to delete their work.

Even if all the allegations against this user were true, that would then make it even more important for admins to follow procedures and guidelines, and to encourage others to do so too. See Misplaced Pages talk:Wikiethics. Please note, I'm not defending the unfortunate and IMO misguided spate of "Christian" activism, advocacy and trolling on Misplaced Pages of which this proposal may be part. Rather, I am saying that it is important not to descend to their level. Andrewa 12:45, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• This is not innocent "informing a group of people" so much as astroturfing. It is not kosher to attempt to radically shape polls in the way you have. I don't personally have an opinion as to if you should've been blocked for it, but it is certainly something you should not have done and should not do in the future. --Improv 19:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

• Improv, you made some assesments but I can not see any retionale behind your conclusions. Can I get your reasoning for your statements like: This is not innocent and something you should not have done and should not do in the future. Besides being impolite, 'it is not innocent' statement seems to be contradicting 'assume good faith' approach. I cannot see any policy, guideline or regulation to disourage this kind of informing procedure. I think it is totally unfair and unacceptable to think that with a single message all Wikipedians will go for the vote as I suggested. As the poll indicated, just a few users voted after my message. The message is clear, and my position in this dispute clearly stated in it. I am not pushing anyone to vote (it is simply impossible), neither hiding my position by using some flowery words to misguide the users. It is natural that my message reflects my perspective. I am ready to follow a consensus (and only consensus) among the admins, but please note that independent from the case, a consensus against this kind of informing procedure will highly restrict users' freedom of speach in Wiki IMO. If it is decided so, than some objective norms will be needed such as 'informing how many users will be considered as unacceptible'. Please note that, existing no-spam guideline is not applicaple to this case. Resid Gulerdem 00:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• Resid's line above, "I think it is totally unfair and unacceptable to think that with a single message all Wikipedians will go for the vote as I suggested" seems so disingenuous when one reads his last edit before going on this WP/AN reported "spampage": "I am leaving the decision about you and your actions to the community here. Resid Gulerdem 00:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)". Obviously Resid, you expected to have some impact. Can we stop the spin now? Netscott 01:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• I cannot see your point Netscott, where is the insincerity? If you really want to see insincerety, spin and some cheap tactics you can check this diff. Resid Gulerdem 11:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

If Rgulerdem does anything resembling spamming in future, I intend to block him. This is one of the most egregious, bare-faced and unrepentant cases I have ever encountered. --Tony Sidaway 04:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Isn't 'anything resembling spamming' a little vague? Can I get your reasoning for calling it 'the most egregious, bare-faced and unrepentant cases I have ever encountered'? Please note that discretionary actions are not acceptible. If there is an administrative consensus on the issue, I would follow that. I cannot see a consensus so far. If there is, it would be better if the consensus is mentioned in some policies. Resid Gulerdem 04:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I started a discussion on the admins page WP:AN and there is no admin consensus on this being spamming. I have been blocked for this before and I hope people do not want to repeat the same mistake. Resid Gulerdem 04:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The above quote from Resid's talk page in reply to a warning from Thebainer. NSLE _(T+C) at 04:46 UTC (2006-04-07)

Long blocks on shared IPs

I noticed that a number of long(more than 24 hour) blocks have been put on IPs that have been marked as being shared among multiple users. AFAIK, this is a Bad Thing. I have removed a number of these placed by User:Hall Monitor. I am posting here for further consideration and discussion. JesseW, the juggling janitor 10:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with nice long blocks to vandal schools personally (long blocks to other shared IPS is different). If the IP has been a consistent vandal and has produced nothing but vandalism and the students can still use the site for research and education but simply cannot edit, I fail to see the harm. I personally feel it's better to miss out on the one good edit that will likely not come out of that IP then to put up with their nonsense, because we want them to be able to continue to edit and vandalise. The site is still available to them as an encyclopedia and it likely more than one idiot who is vandalsiing if it happenign that often so a one hour or three houtr block ain't gonna do it. I mean, look at the vandalism history...it ain't working! I say well done HallMonitor, we need more vandal fighters like you. My opinion.Gator (talk) 13:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

2nded. I have given a few long blocks to school ips as well, and shortened them if/when someone emailed me with an objection. My assumption of good faith doesn't go so far as to believe that there will be a single good edit waiting in the ether, and it will make up for the time that the vandal fighters take away from actually building an encyclopedia to remove vandalism. BTW did you (JesseW) try to discuss this first with Hall Monitor before removing the blocks and bringing it here? --Syrthiss 15:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I looked and didn't see anything...Gator (talk) 15:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Note however that I do quite frequently have to unblock my own school IPs when i want to edit from work. Schools do frequently have hundreds of people sharing the IP. Slapping a 1 hour block takes half a minute at most. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Agree with the above, I can't see it as a huge problem when the IP is primarily used for vandalism (bug 550 would help too), people can contact the blocker if they have an issue and I see no reason to believe that Hall Monitor is not receptive to this. Similarly the long blocks tend to invite a system admin to contact Hall Monitor. This seems to be a good way of trying to deal with the problem, see if the school/whoever is willing to try and work with us, rather than just saying it's a WP problem (or rather an RC Patrol problem). I wish people would do the same with AOL, AOL User blocked complain to AOL see if they are willing to help, enough do it maybe they will... --pgk 17:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Well said.Gator (talk) 18:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm very affected by long term school blocks. I just had a 2 week block instituted on my school IP (Which was unblocked by request), however after one case of vandalism, the IP was once again blocked for 48 hours. It's a major inconvinence when I want to edit from school, but am unable to due to some vandal. My school IP is shared throughout the entire school, and possibly the entire school district. Just wanted it to be known that there are good editors at school :P --lightdarkness 19:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes I do think a named conributor with a history of good edits requesting an unblock on such a block should be given a fair weight. --pgk 19:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I have yet to have that happen to me though, but would be willing to unblock in that case. Very rare though.Gator (talk) 19:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I have this problem too; a school network I often edit from had a 1 month block plonked on it, and it can be frustrating if I've just spent half an hour working on an image, only hit upload file and get a "You have been blocked by user:JoeAdmin". smurrayinchester 23:15, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Glad I asked here. I ought to have asked Hall Monitor before unblocking, sorry about that. It seems like blocking school IPs for long periods is accepted, but blocking non-school shared IPs is not. Can someone update the blocking policy to reflect this, please? Also, it would be good to have a distinguishing template color for shared school IPs from non-school ones. JesseW, the juggling janitor 11:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

You want to to update the blocking policy bases on what a handful of admins stated despite the fact that several people have stated that there is in fact very real collateral damage? I think there needs to be a fair bit more discussion before we start changing policy! Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not particularly familiar with the handling of blocks, so I personally don't have a strong opinion on this. My understanding of the above comments was what led me to the suggestion to correct the policy to be in line with what appears to be current practice. I'd be delighted for whatever further discussion anyone wants to do. JesseW, the juggling janitor 03:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Fear not, for Raul has already proposed a solution to this problem (Comment #13). I'm now prodding Rob Church to impliment it. Raul654 03:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Daniel Brandt's team, 'Misplaced Pages Watch'

I reverted some deletion vandalism at Vincent Gallo and posted appropriate warnings on the IP's talk page. I then received these replies. High points: 1)user claims to have access to 100+ Penn State University IPs, and thus can never really be blocked, and 2)s/he is "part of Daniel Brandt's team, 'Misplaced Pages Watch', and our eventual goal to get Misplaced Pages privately edited. It will happen some day soon, trust me. Jimmy Wales will cave some day soon enough." S/he has left similar messages on other pages. It's point #2 that's particulary troubling. However unlikely it is that there's some sort of organized effort to sabotage Misplaced Pages, we should all know about it. --Fang Aili 01:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

If he keeps coming back, block the whole range, with a note that university staff should contact the blocking admin to discussion the reason for the block. Universities, unlike most ISPs, are very responsive when blocked. Raul654 01:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

With threats like that, I'd contact the university right away. We can't tolerate bullshit like that. Werdna648/_C\ 23:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Nlu

I find it rather worrying that an admin should semi-protect his page, unless he intends never to interact with anons via blocks, warnings, etc. Do other admins agree? If so, could Nlu be advised to unprotect it? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Its only been sprotected for a day, right? I've had to do that before when I was getting slammed with Iain Lee vandals. People can still email Nlu through his email link in the meantime. I wouldn't think it was a good idea if he forever left it semiprotected, but a day or so isn't something that I would be too worried about. --Syrthiss 18:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

As I explained already -- check out the page history of my talk page as well as WP:RCU to see why. The last few days, PoolGuy (talk · contribs)'s sockpuppets have been thoroughly spammy. --Nlu (talk) 18:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Sometimes we all get hit with socky goodness. :/ --Syrthiss 18:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

And I find it disturbing that I already explained this to Mel yesterday and he still acts as if he didn't see my explanation. I am going to assume good faith once more and assume that he has good faith basis to bring this here, but otherwise it becomes suspicious whether he is simply trying to pick a fight with me over the User:Croatian historian situation. --Nlu (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Could you supply the diff, as I didn't see any explanation? (By the way, if you're going to assume good faith, do so — don't say you're going to do it and then make it clear that in fact you're not.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

This is lame. Nlu, feel free to semi protect your user talk apge to keep vandalising IPs away fro as long as you like. I for one see NO problem with it. Good for you. Mel: stop trolling and do something more productive with your time, please. Wow.Gator (talk) 20:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

My explanation is still right there on User talk:Nlu. Feel free to read it there. If you mean what I was combatting, see , , and . Again, see the entire history on WP:RCU as well. I fail to see what's so difficult to comprehend. It's not a case of vandalizing IPs; it's a case of vandalizing new sockpuppets, which are also generally blocked by semi-protections. (And, thanks, Gator.) --Nlu (talk) 00:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Nlu has not had vandalism on his page. If you read WP:VANDAL and the three references above, the posts were not vandalism. Nlu has protected his page simply to erase questions from an inquiring user that he blocked, and avoiding answering a legitimate question to the basis of his block. Unless vandalism has actually occurred, Nlu should not have his talk page protected, especially as an Admin responsible for inquiries from users. Nlu is stating that he is following policy, however just reading the WP:VANDAL page any novice can see that his page was not vandalized. AvoidingAvoidance 06:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

You are not asking a legitimate question -- which has been answered many times, by me and other admins. --Nlu (talk) 08:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Semi-protecting your talk page so as not be bothered with questions from annoying sockpuppets isn't really kosher. Nlu, please unprotect it. Angr (talk • contribs) 06:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

It was only protected for a short duration. Of course, Mel Etitis's making it sound like I've been protecting it forever. Check the protection log. --Nlu (talk) 08:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

After unprotection, harassment by PoolGuy's sockpuppets resumed. See . Happy now, Mel? (No, I am not reprotecting at this point, but I am not going to be asking your permission to do so.) --Nlu (talk) 15:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

And I assume you are reading this, PoolGuy (or whatever your name is going to be next); pursuant to WP:SOCK, each time you use a new sockpuppet, your 1-week block will be reset, so if you actually do want your block to be lifted (as you claimed you did), wait it out. --Nlu (talk) 15:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Nlu, you are being asked a legitimate question which you refuse to answer. You refuse to answer because you are wrong in your position. If you are right in your position you will cite the reason for the block. As demonstrated at your latest Check User Request there is no reason for a Check User to be completed, because there is no violation of policy. Your block states it is done because of a sockpuppet. Sockpuppets are not a violation of wikipedia policy, and can not be the basis for a block.

When questioned on PoolGuy's Talk Page you succumbed to the fact that your reason for a block was off base. You then stated the block was imposed because "You violated WP:3RR, WP:NPA, and WP:POINT, at least." Those you have not and can not cite. So when you were asked to prove those violations occurred you got embarassed because you couldn't do it. So what you do is you delete the very legitimate question for you to explain where the violation occurred from your talk page . I suppose it is embarrassing to leave a question you can't answer on your talk page. You also protect the talk page of the user you inappropriately blocked cutting off their communication and their means to request an unblock. You are acting nervous because you are unable to cite this 3RR and NPA and Point that have been violated that caused you to block the account.

I don't know why another admin has not tried to help you, and find the violation that occurred. Perhaps others have looked but could not find it. I don't know why you don't cite these violations and show everyone the edits that caused the violation so heinous that you had to block an account (probably because it doesn't exist).

I am sorry if you think you are harrassed. I think it is harrassing to take administrative action against a user when you can not even justify it with a policy violation. Perhaps you have been working so hard to make this issue go away because you can not justify your action. Other admins on Misplaced Pages justify their action all the time. They simply cite the edit that demonstrated the violation. I don't understand why you refuse to, except maybe, because the violation does not exist. Absent the violation you can't seem to find, please unblock and unprotect the accounts. Thank you. YouDontGetIt 07:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Just because you're refusing to read the citation doesn't mean that policies weren't cited. --Nlu (talk) 07:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

How many times to I have to explain to you the reason you continue to be blocked is because you create sockpuppets to evade a block. How many times do I have to tell you that GoldToeMarionette (talk · contribs) was blocked for spamming people to support you on Pet peeve, (even those who say didn't edit the article) something an ArbCom member even told you that was disruptive, yet you argued with him about it? How many times do I have to tell you to sit it out, and do whatever you have to do after the block? How many times do we have to tell you that for each sock you make means your timer resets (as your userpage says)? I've already asked Bauder to look into this, so please let him do what he has to do. Also, out of curiosity, what are you going to do with all the socks you created during your block? I don't see what anybody can do with so many sockpuppets, especially one which reads User:YouDontGetIt. --LBMixPro 22:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone help Nlu?

In the topic above Nlu has been unable to find the violation of policy. Perhaps someone can help Nlu and actually find the three policies he stated were violated. Just cite the edits to help out Nlu. I have looked and I can't find them. Maybe someone else would have better luck. If Nlu can't even find the violations that he said occurred, I don't know how anyone can. Perhaps the accounts should be unblocked and the pages unprotected since those actions appear to be baseless.

Thanks for trying to help Nlu fulfill his Admin responsibilities. Sorry he can't find the violations on his own. GreatTerriffic 07:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

A possible end to Squidward vandalism

Over the last few weeks, while I was supposed to be on break :) , I have been receiving multiple e-mails from Squidward. After many messages back and forth (the current total is 50), we have come to some terms (I have not promised him anything, before you think I've been pretending to act on wikipedia's behalf.) He has stated that if his name was removed from the vandalism in progress page, as well as the links to other sites (he claims that we have implicated other people, "The Indianna Chess Club" for example) that all the attacks will cease. We could, alternately, delete the whole page, this is something he has been asking for which I thought a bit much, what do you think? I've also been receiving some angry e-mails from other parties whose sites have been implicated here. Apparently the names on this page, have particularly incited him, and I have his word (a vandals word yes, but I am inclined to believe him) that the attacks will stop.

From the e-mail exchange I've come to understand a bit about the background of his vandalist contributions. He started out as a 'normal' editor, but was branded as a vandal from the start. He saw himself as mistreated, and over-reacted to this by becoming what we know as the Squidward vandal.

In my humble opinion, those terms are reasonable and we have little to lose, however, it may be viewed as "giving in". What does everybody think? Banez 22:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Protect the encyclopedia. If the vandalism stops its worth removing it, if not it isn't. (usual not an admin disclaimer) Prodego 23:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think it really matters. His vandal attacks stop within seconds; the vandalism is reverted within a minute nowadays. But I suppose that's a reason in itself to take him of WP:LTA. --Rory096 23:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I don't think you would take it off WP:LTA as long as the subject still attempts to vandalize. i.e. WOW is still on WP:LTA but he is usually blocked in seconds Prodego 23:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

If the user stops vandalising, there's no need for an Long term abuse page at all. I see no reason not to delete it in that case. We welcome all contributors, so helping them join the project isn't "giving in". :) // Pathoschild (_admin / ) 23:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. —Prodego 23:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

(4-time edit conflicted) Misplaced Pages should not "give in" to anybody, espically a vandal. Perhaps after six months of non-activity it could be archived. But for now, if the vandalism continues, there is no reason to remove the entry. The more open proxies that we get, the better. These attacks, while a nuisance, are easy to clean up and give us many IP addresses to block that could have been used for other types of vandalism. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 23:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Well a show of good faith is always helpful, if Squidward continues, we just put it back. Prodego 23:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

It isnt so much deleting the page (that was an option), he actually wants the name and links removed. Banez 23:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Six months is far too long, in my opinion; that'd be a significant fraction of Misplaced Pages's entire history. Perhaps delete after three weeks of inactivity, and remove the offending information immediately? We're not "giving in" by doing so; the LTA page is intended only to track vandalism. At the point vandalism stops, the page becomes useless. As Prodego says, assume good faith. // Pathoschild (_admin / ) 23:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I was just throwing out a number, the time really doesn't matter, just as long as it stopped. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 23:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

We will have to wait and see what happens, but Squidward does appear to have grown tired of it all, and wants an end. Banez 23:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

There was a fresh Squidward attack today. -- Curps 17:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't be so sure of that, your bot has, shall we say... issues--64.12.116.200 02:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

We do not negotiate with vandals and trolls, that being said if he's willing to stop then I'd suggest blanking and protecting the page which I think is a fair compromise and is also more GFDL sound since deleting things on request would if nothing else violate the GFDL and is a bad precedent. Pegasus1138 ---- 23:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I just went ahead and blanked it, on the assumption that he is going to stop. (Can't hurt to try.) If he attacks again, restore it. Ashibaka tock 23:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, since there was just another attack, I'm going to go ahead and restore it.--Shanel 19:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Squidward claims that his IP is huge and shared by many, and that he hasnt done any further attacks...Oh well, who knows... Banez 19:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

That statement just proves that Squidward is trying to screw with us. There was indeed an attack, after the page was blanked, and it was in classic Squidward style. --lightdarkness 21:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I have come to that conclusion. I've got tired of getting 30 ranting e-mails a night from him, but yet he still insists that that attack which looked so much like him wasnt in fact him...I can't say I'm not a little skeptical. Banez 06:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

There's a simple answer to that - send em and email stating that any further emails from em will be considered public, and you will forward them(without reading them) to wikien-l. Wait a bit for the wikien-l admins to request that you stop forwarding them, and then simply delete the emails. Simple enough. JesseW, the juggling janitor 21:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Leaky gut syndrome

User:Mutters1 has moved the article "leaky gut syndrome" to "leaky gut syndrome sucks", reasoning "because it does". An admin needs to delete the existing redirect so we can move the old page back, sans "sucks". Also, the page now points to snowboarding for some reason. Isopropyl 04:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like that was already resolved. --Golbez 04:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Check and mate.--Sean Black 04:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Isopropyl 05:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, you can move a page onto a redirect if the page has no other history. Stifle (talk) 23:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

User Apostrophe's persistent incivility despite administrative warning

Please note that user Apostrophe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who was initially advised by administrator Stifle here to observe civility and please do not bite newcomers. Still, he has persisted in violating these and other policies in the following instances , , , , , , . This is only a small sampling of this user's persistently hostile attitude towards multiple editors. He is ignoring written warnings to modify his behaviour to conform with Misplaced Pages standards. Please assist, thank you. Netkinetic 06:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours. Stifle (talk) 23:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

"original work?" objection

It is quickly summed up here on my talk page. I am a very new member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Reid_Welch&redirect=no

The irregularities are at "antidisestablishmentarianism", "Flatiron Building" and "carpe diem".

This is no emergency.

I stand by to make deletions if that should,

or especially, if deletion -must- be done.

Thanks for your guidance.

Reid Welch 23:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever seen a poem about a building in any other encyclopedia? They don't belong here either. We collect information, not verse. --Golbez 23:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

No, I have not seen any other verse about a building, period.

Nor is there a verse contextually defining the long word, "antidisestab---"

"We collect information, not verse"

Why, then, are pages filled with poetry citations, quotes and reprints?

This is my question: how does the entry of "A" (not mine any more=public domain) relevant verse --differ from the entry of the "same thing" by, say, some other person not its author?--

Very hazy here.

Reid Welch 23:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If we had an article, Reid Welch, you could put your poems there. You may also put them on your user page. But you can't put them on other pages; it's not relevant enough to the article. Ashibaka tock 23:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I would have to disagree; we don't paste Hamlet to Shakespeare. We could perhaps MENTION his works on his page, if ever he warranted one; however, they would belong only on Wikisource, except for exceptionally short works. --Golbez 23:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes and no. See To be, or not to be - it's all a matter of notability. :) zafiroblue05 | Talk 01:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

For one thing, posting one's own original poetry can be considered vanity. Even if you release it to the public domain. Furthermore, Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information; see WP:NOT. Your addition to the page in question must be of encyclopedic value.

It's also common practice to structure your posts in the form of paragraphs. If you need assistance, help is available. Isopropyl 23:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Because the quote or poetry is vital to the understanding of the subject. "Carpe diem" was used in ancient poetry, and that is useful to understand its meaning. And it wouldn't matter if someone else inserted it, it's still not a proper addition. This doesn't fall under original research - it falls under original works. Misplaced Pages is not an essay or poetry depository, yours or anyone elses. We require reliable sources. These citations and quotes are required to expand our understanding of the subject; we can't, nor do we want to, include every single media involving the subject ever made. --Golbez 23:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Now that the three entries are removed, I do agree with you about two of them being not-vital to the encylopedic nature of the Wiki.

Then, too, the citation of a Honeymooner's TV sitcom quote at "carpe diem" =is not valid either= and should be excised.

So should all near-contemporary references to a subject word like "carpe diem", such as it's being employed in classical or modern poetry: not needed, so you state, to convey the (unimportant?)present currency value of the term in popular culture.

I would state that, vanity aside, which I have surrendered inasmuch as is possible, the antidis.. verse is completely relevant to the its subject-word.

":Because the quote or poetry is vital to the understanding of the subject. "Carpe diem" was used in ancient poetry, and that is useful to understand its meaning. And it wouldn't matter if someone else inserted it, it's still not a proper addition."

I do not see the distinction made except that you apparently feel that "vanity" is my purpose in wishing for the antidis.. verse, only, to be reinstalled.

This verse is not ancient but it is quite useful in helping to impart an understanding of antidisestablishmentarianism, ca. the 1860's.

And it defines the word, contains the word and makes the word very simple to understand, in a palatable, amusing way.

In every sense the "anti..." verse meets the criteria you yourself are now promulgating, except that the author is living.

Here it is for the record, for reconsideration. I would gladly surrender copyright and even author name to have this practical verse applied to the entry "antidisestablishmentarianism"

http://poetry.tetto.org/read/15281/

Our Aunty Prudence disrespects

those who aim to disestablish

ties of England's Church to State.

Her hot protests of angry Ire-

land in the deaf ears of those men

who tarry not in grasping goals

while taking aim at an arcane

jingoistic jism-ism,

antidisestablishmentarianism

Reid Welch 00:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia. We have articles, not poems. We may describe poems, but do not create them because new ideas (and all poetry includes new ideas, to some degree) are forbidden original research. It's that simple. Superm401 - Talk 01:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Still in conflict with itself, this policy.

"We may describe poems..."

Superm401, Wickipedia includes poems, not just descriptions...

"...but do not create them because new ideas (and all poetry includes new ideas,..."

I cannot make the leap that there is a genuine distinction between the anti... verse, vs. and other poetry, though old, which is printed in various Wiki articles.

There are no new ideas in the anti.. verse.

It is a summation of existing knowlege put into an exceedingly compact and memorable (utilitarian) form.

As such, it is of educational value as clearly as is a prose article, but set apart from mere prose by being art, and art is the iconography of a culture.

So that is that.

I've registered my thoughts without rancor or resentment.

Thank you all.

Reid Welch 01:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

We do sometimes include poems, but only when they are short and have already been published elsewhere. Superm401 - Talk 17:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

You could also try Wikisource. Stifle (talk) 23:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophe

Readdressing matter above which has not been responded to regarding Apostrophe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). This editor was initially advised by administrator Stifle here to observe civility and please do not bite newcomers. Still, he has persisted in violating these and other policies in the following instances , , , , , , . This is only a small sampling of this user's persistently hostile attitude towards multiple editors. He is ignoring written warnings to modify his behaviour to conform with Misplaced Pages standards. Please assist, thank you. Netkinetic 06:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I've given him a final warning. Superm401 - Talk 06:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks much. Hopefully he'll respond favorably. Netkinetic 20:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

He's been blocked for 24 hours now, as he didn't choose to take much notice of the warnings. Stifle (talk) 23:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd say the next time he does it, block for a month. After that, indefinately. I have a feeling he'll still be rough when the block is up. — Deckiller 00:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see the following examples "you clearly have problems...the height of arrogance or irony" and "keep your own opinions to yourself".Netkinetic 04:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Because you were professing to give an authoritve opinion when it wasn't. I asked for an administrator's opinion, not of yours. What is difficult to understand about this, Netty? Indeed, I pointed out an observation about your haste to label opposing edits as vandalism, which has occurred with an anon and now over the Multiverse thing, which I don't particularly care about; that's a observation, not a personal attack. Regardless, you seem awfully intent on getting me into trouble despite me ignoring comic book articles for a while. Why? Do you feel the need to get back at me for the 3RR thing? ' 04:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Your question on your talk page did not address a specific individual nor specify a particular timeframe relating to your query, hence my response. That said, as long as you are civil in your edit summaries and comments towards fellow editors, I'm perfectly content with your contributions towards streamlining content here. Netkinetic 23:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Aiman abmajid

Aiman abmajid (talk · contribs · count) (who claims to be 10 years old on his user page) has been creating lots of short stub articles, as well as articles for buildings which are not significant. But what irks me the most is that he creates very, very stubby Malaysian Federal Route articles that do not conform to article style convention (Malaysia Federal Route 89 and Malaysia Federal Route 91 are typical examples), and uses non-descriptive edit summaries (just take a look at his contributions and you'll see), even though he has been told to use more descriptive edit summaries . Is there any way to slow him down and make him read his talk page, before he creates more short stubs and nn-road articles, a la Striver? — Kimchi.sg | Talk 00:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

2006-1985=21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthost (talk • contribs) Note the math is wrong, it isn't June 2 2006 yet. Prodego 00:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The user page says "Aiman was born in Petaling Jaya, Selangor on 2nd June 1985", which makes his age 20, not 10. Prodego 00:45, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The math isn't wrong its just not june yet! But the point I was trying to make was he is not 10. Mike _{(T C)} 01:06, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Whoops... my bad. Morning grogginess. :-( — Kimchi.sg | Talk 02:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

He has overwritten an existing image at Image:Tower.jpg, and I have asked him why. I have removed references to this suspect image, and requested the original image be re-instated. Noisy | Talk 11:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

User 198.161.33.146

Here is a persistant vandal with ip 198.161.33.146 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) that has been blancking out pages. Look at his edit history. ArchonMeld 02:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

It's best to report this at Admin intervention against vandalism :) Sceptre 15:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Speedy permanent deletion of article User talk:AgainstFakeClaims

WP User Dave Null has violated privacy and personal copyright by editing in names of certain people when a shared PC was being temporarily used by User:AgainstFakeClaims. Section : Question and observation

The violated individuals are reporting unauthorized use of their names on public space in WP without their authorization. Following is the version in which this incident has happened. WP ADMINS Please permanently delete entire page and all versions following this version below. This is a liability issue and personal right and privacy violations issue.

Thanks for your support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:AgainstFakeClaims&oldid=46675721 --129.188.33.222 18:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Done I removed the three revisions with the private info in them. (Note to other admins, if this was the wrong thing to do, undo it and let me know on my talk page.) Prodego 22:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to remove any private information that might be requested, but the only possible "private information" contained in the three deleted revisions is a three word phrase: "Abhiraj or Rupalee". I fail to see how this is anthing close to a case of "violated privacy and personal copyright"(whatever that might mean). If it was an address, a full name, a location, an employer, a personal ID # of some kind, or something like that, I would certainly agree it should be deleted, but two words? That's akin to saying that the phrase "John or James" is a violation of the privacy of anyone named John or James. I don't credit this. There's no reason to undelete the revisions, but I can't see what the complaint is either. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Vkasdg

Vkasdg (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)'s repeated removal of Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy cartoons image, deceptive editing practices and violations of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA:

• Removed Image 19:37, 9 March 2006
• Falsely labeled rv 19:44, 9 March 2006 (note the change of the position of <!-- and -->)
• Removed Image #2 19:51, 9 March 2006 (extended --> from image warning)
• Falsely labeled rv #2 20:00, 9 March 2006 (note the -> still tacked on after last </span>)
• Removed Image #3 10:29, 23 March 2006 (no editorial comment)
• Removed Image #4 22:09, 4 April 2006 (mixed in some other seemingly 'benign' edits to hide the fact that he removed the image)

• Expressed intention to Remove image again 01:17, 5 April 2006 (relative to talk on User:Vkasdg's talk page and my talk page.)

User:Vkasdg has been politely warned on three separate occasions to not edit to remove the image (as demonstrated here and here) Due to User:Vkasdg's repeated image removal and deceptive editing practices/commentaries it would seem that such behavior warrants at least a 24hr block.

Do note the dis-repectful post made here by User:Vkasdg just above entitled "Regarding Vkasdg".

User:Vkasdg has been notified of this report.

Netscott 01:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Additionally User:Vkasdg has repeatedly added mean-spirited edits to my talk page in an effort to antagonize me relative to my single example of a block for 3RR violation.

• 01:06, 5 April 2006

• 01:17, 5 April 2006

• 02:17, 5 April 2006

Not very civil. Netscott 02:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• Personal attack: User:Vkasdg added the comment (21:31, 4 April 2006), "Why are you a pedophile? That's disgusting. Vkasdg 21:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)" to User:Zanthalon's talk page. Netscott 03:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Back at it again.:

• 22:24, 10 April 2006. I have reason to believe that besides this individual's use of this account he has been using Open Proxies from two messages I recieved one from an open proxy and the other from this user as well as his own admission. Can someone please indefinite block this account? Thanks! Netscott 22:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments

The hidden text says nothing about moving the "-->" Vkasdg 02:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Netscott is just sour because I pointed out he was removing valid edits. If I hadn't spoken to him, this report wouldn't even be here. Vkasdg 02:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Moving the --> hides more/less text, and can be seen as blanking. NSLE _(T+C) at 02:35 UTC (2006-04-05)

No where does it state that in the rules/guidelines, or the hidden text. Vkasdg 02:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

In this case... one can see (22:09, 4 April 2006) User:Vkasdg's blanking... Netscott 02:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I think if he touches it again he should be blocked for a good amount of time. He has been warned, knows he has been warned, and has a agenda. Also the comment by the user above is troubling, since he is trying to find loopholes. Mike _{(T C)} 02:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

In addition to the very valid reasons I've already reported it would be good to establish a "warning" block to initiate a sort of permanent "record" of this individual's editing behavior. Netscott 02:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Right. Vkasdg 02:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

What it says is irellevant, the evidence clearly tells that you are trying to be dissruptive. A good idea if for you to stop doing what you are doing there, and try to do some good edits. _→AzaToth 03:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps an RFC is in order? Isopropyl 03:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Just added a WP:NPA violation... see above. Netscott 03:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

So now we can't say anything about pedophilia? Cry me a river. It wasn't an attack on the user - it was an attack on pedophilia, and that dude is a self-proclaimed pedophile. It's not as if I made a false accusation. Vkasdg 03:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

As you wrtote it, and as where you wrote it, I interpret it as a personal attack. _→AzaToth 03:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely... regardless of that person's proclivities there was no need to add such a personal attack comment to their talk page. Netscott 03:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that as long one agrees with pedophilia then it's ok to put something on his userpage, but not the opposite. I wish we had an entry on drama queens...Vkasdg 03:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

personal attacks is forbidden, even if your intentions where good. _→AzaToth 04:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems

I listed it on WP:VPM, but I think thats the wrong place to list it on. The problem is that at the moment there is a month old backlog there, it's stated:

Listings should be checked and processed by administrators after 7 days.

. _→AzaToth 21:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The best thing to do is tag with {{adminbacklog}}. Stifle 22:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for advice / intervention in speedy del noms for 2 pages

To begin; I'm not sure if this is the right forum. If any response could include either a confirmation that this is the right forum to post to, or a suggestion for future queries, I would be appreciative.

I've added speedy delete db-copyvio templates to AV Voice Changer Software and Music Morpher and the templates have been deleted. I know that if a prod template is del, it is to be listed on AFD, but I can't see (from a quick wikisearch) what the best approach is here. I don't want to just edit war. Any advice, please? Colonel Tom 11:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

In general, if a legitimate speedy tag has been removed, the thing to do is restore it, explaining on the talk page why you think it qualifies for speedy deletion. In these cases, however, you didn't provide evidence for your claim that they were copyvios. {{db-copyvio}} needs a parameter giving the URL of the site you believe the information has been copied from: {{db-copyvio|url=http://www.whatever.com}}. Angr (talk • contribs) 11:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I've restored the tags, but I nor someone else will delete it unless we got the urls, like Angr said. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you both for your responses. I now understand when initially applying the copyvio tag, there is a responsibility to provide details of the vio. Fair enough. I must admit that I assumed that the links contained within the article(s), to the manufacturer's site, with the same info, was sufficient. I appreciate your answers and assistance. I'll revisit. Many thanks. Colonel Tom 12:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

These do not look like copyvios to me, although they are products of a company called Avnex added by Avnex (talk · contribs) which is clearly a potential problem. Just zis Guy you know? 13:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they do look like copyright violations, although since the copy was probably posted by the company that owns the copyright the company could technically release the text under the GFDL. That said, the articles are still linkspam and not notable and should be speedily deleted.--Alabamaboy 16:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it matters. If I write something and have it on my website then release it under the GFDL to wikipedia I should source wikipedia on my page since I have licensed it under the GFDL to wikipedia and no longer "own" it. Mike _{(T C)} 20:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Licensing under the GFDL never limits the owner's original rights, it only grants others the right to use the material under the GFDL. The originator can use his own material in any way he sees fit. He certainly does not need to attribute it to Misplaced Pages, since it's still his own work. --Tony Sidaway 18:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Tony is absolutely right and Mike (sorry) you have it the wrong way round. If I write a new article now, I am the author and copyright owner and Misplaced Pages have the duty to credit me. If I want to go and use the article somewhere else - including publishing it in print or selling it - I can. It's my work, legally and morally. Work submitted here is licenced to the world (including but not exclusively Misplaced Pages) and Misplaced Pages no more own the content than any other 3rd party does. --kingboyk 18:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Scott Keith

This page is getting serially vandalized by anons, with various RC faces making plenty of reverts in recent history. I don't know much about the subject but he seems to be a whistle-blower, or at least holds controversial opinions on pro-wrestling which might be a cause of discontent. He apparently survived AfD last year and seems to be here to stay, also judging by the banter on the talk the article has been under some kind of protection before. It would appear to be a candidate for semi-protection at the moment? Deizio 19:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't complain to the page being protected, as the vandal shares my IP (no, its not me, my IP is shared by the entire country sadly :) ) and I am often blocked. Banez 22:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Melgibson1 possibly blocked in error

User:Peruvianllama blocked newcomer User:Melgibson1 yesterday for vandalism. This may be partly because he kept leaving comments at Luciferene, which I improperly tagged for deletion. Gazpacho 19:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

It was probably for making this series of edits . Naconkantari e|t||c|m 19:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

He should probably stay blocked for having an inappropriate username. Angr (talk • contribs) 20:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

ChrisO abuse of adminship

User ChrisO has deleted template about persecution of Serbs in the middle of the debate, and it was clear that he (who proposed the deletion) was beginning to lose the case. Instead of debating it, he decided to delete it before the period has ended. There were two votes to keep it at the time. From the debate it was clear that NPOV problems can be fixed, and that template has a legitimate place in Misplaced Pages. Also, his own template about Scientology is more biased than this one, as it slanders the whole religion by attributing a nonsensical doctrine (in a template) to it, while it is claimed that it cannot be proved/verified as it is secret. How can this be NPOV. I think ChrisO abused his privileges. Also, isnt it true that it SHOULD NOT BE THE SAME PERSON who nominates and deletes the page - otherwise, the tags make no sense if noone is to have a say. I think this moderator, who also made personal attacks, has to be investigated for other possible adminship abuses. CeBuCCuCmeM 22:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

• RFC filed, so this should be ignored in favor of it. WP:RFC/ChrisO --jpgordon∇∆∇∆

WP:AIV

Lately I've noticed reports to WP:AIV growing, and probably as a result not being dealt with as quickly as ought to be the case. May I ask administrators to consider adding this page to their watchlist if they haven't already, and if they have to please redouble their efforts to be actively involved? Thanks. · Katefan0/poll 22:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes maam! Done. --Woohookitty 05:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested moves

Could an Admin review the following Requested moves and wrap them up if deemed appropriate:

• Talk:Argyll
• Talk:Bute
• Talk:Ross (area)
• Talk:Moray (county)

--Mais oui! 22:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Please take such request to WP:RFPM --pgk 06:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

They were already there, I believe; the request was to close the debates. Nightstallion has now done so. Angr (talk • contribs) 07:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I closed three of them, Nightstallion closed the forth. JesseW, the juggling janitor 21:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism and pov censoring by Anonymous editor

This user on History_of_the_Kashmir_conflict is trying to censor views of

• New York Times Journalist Robert Trumbull:

Robert Trumbull, of New York Times sent this dispatch, published on 10 November:

The city had been stripped of its wealth and young women before the Pakistanis fled in terror, at midnight friday, before the advancing Indian army. Surviving residents estimate that 3000 of there townsmen including four Europeans and a retired British army officer, Colonel Dykes, and his pregnant wife were slain. St Joseph Franciscan Convent and the convent hospital was stormed and four nuns were shot.

• Alan Moorehead of the Observer (London):

reported that recruitment for the invasion had been going on not only in NWFP but all of Pakistan.

• And other authors who have published books on the topic of Kashmir, none of whom

is an Indian or Hindu. Akbar is a muslim and the other two are not Indians. References

  1. ↑ Hodson, H.V. (1969). The Great Divide: Britain, India, Pakistan.
  2. ↑ a b c d Akbar, M.J. (2002). Kashmir Behind the vale.
  3. ↑ Brecher, Michael (1953). The Struggle for Kashmir

Anonymous editor is unhappy to see Pakistan's involvement and the atrocities comitted by its armies be listed on wikipedia even though they are sourced from books that are considered unbiased and scholarly. Can somebody please check his vandalism? Here is the diff ]

This is a content dispute, near as I can tell. Are you sure this is the place you're looking for? You might want to try getting a third opinion or opening a topic RFC instead. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Is removing sourced material from reputed books and journalists, published in standard weeklies, newspapers common on wikipedia? I would expect someone to counter with another published source and not just blatant reverts.

More Vandalism by Anonymous editor

On Kashmir page this user has deleted text which shows that hinduism flourished in kashmir for thousands of years and there are hindu temples from antiquity which can still be visited in this state. ]. Looks to me this person has a political agenda of not allowing facts that are opposite to his pov to be mentioned on wikipedia.

Definitely a content dispute, then. This isn't the place to air this; the relevant talk pages and related Wikiprojects handle this sort of thing, as no administrator intervention is needed, nor is inappropriate use of admin privileges in evidence. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, please don't come running to administrator's noticeboard every time you don't like an edit someone makes.--Alhutch 04:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

No. This is not running to you guys. I am figuring out how this thing works. Read my comments above. Question to you does citing reputable sources have any value or can anyone reverse without citing his own?

It has value in that other editors are more likely to support you if those edits were reversed without good cause. It won't prevent other people from reversing without citation though (although such an action might well be difficult for them to justify). By the way it's good practice to sign your comments by adding four tildes at the end like so: ~~~~. -- Derek Ross | Talk 19:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Page Protections

In response to various problems (content disputes and possible WP:SOCK vio's) I've placed Kashmir and History of the Kashmir conflict under temporary page protection, this applies to all editors (admins too). Please form a concensus on the Talk pages. — xaosflux 00:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Requesting block for inappropriate vandalism

Please see this edit and you be the judge. Nobody's blocked the user yet.

Thanks. — nathanrdotcom 09:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Already blocked by Curps for 24 hours. --Sam Blanning 10:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

On user Ankaram, self promoting

The user Ankaram, is most certainly, and even certainly Sedat Laciner who is very close to the Turkish government who has written a good deal of materials specifically aimed at linking the Armenians with anti-Semitism, while this is not much a problem here, the main problem is that he is self-promoting himself, his organization and his journal in Misplaced Pages.

Evidences that he is Laciner are clear. First, the anonymous user who added on the anti-semitism article the links to the articles published by Laciner, and all the links from the Journal of Turkish Weekly, who Laciner is the chairman of. This was done on March 10, this anonymous user also added materials relating to Laciner organizations and affiliations, as well as edited the Armenian Genocide article with materials that Laciner has written himself. Not to forget also the fact that this same anonymous user has added a link in the Armenia article to his article and his journal. Here all this anonymous users contributions.

While this anonymous user appeared in March 10, on March 11, the login Slaciner was created and he started contributing , on his user page, he rightly say who he is etc. He also created the page about himself. On 13:30 of April 1, 2006, he stop contributing with this acount, another account appear the same day, which is Ankaram and continue the work starting with the alias Slaciner and his attempt to place his works links and his journal everywhere he can find. Right now of course after that anonymous edit of his on the Armenian Genocide article he has not edited there, but this is probably due to the fact that the article is now locked for new users.

The thing is that his newspaper is not notable, neither it has the credibility to be used as a source for anything. This man consider Armenians to control the world public opinion and has written works with titles such as : "Armenian propaganda" etc, the newspaper also in various occasion been exposed to have manipulated and fabricated others statments, just recently a Courier writter was threatned with legal actions just because he has reported one of those fabrications. I was advised by Golbez and Bertilvidet to place Laciner cases in the administrators noticeboard, but I haven't done so because after my message on Ankaram talk page, he has stopped doing that a little, but he started back again adding another link to his newspaper at the entry on Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Fad (ix) 17:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

well this is interesting

apparently I've found out one more thing that AOL can do, I'm currently editing with two different user names at the same time, on the same computer, and will post this message on both WP:AN and WP:AN/i with both accounts, at exactly the same time--Chelloru 20:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

• If I had to guess I'd say that AOL somehow keeps two completely seperate sets of cookies, one for each type of browsing window--Fernblogin 20:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

• This is by far the strangest thing I've ever found out about AOL--Fernblogin 20:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

• It wouldn't be the only way to do that of course. One IE, one Firefox, one Mozilla, one Opera, and then the same in multiple instances of VMWare - a user could have a veritable sockfarm on one computer. --kingboyk 20:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

now that we know this can work, the question becomes, is there any reasonable expanaition for why it works? It is pretty strange--Chelloru 20:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I see nothing particularly unusual about it. Between the use of bots and multiple web browsers, I've edited from the same computer under as many as three accounts at the same time. --Carnildo 22:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Interesting question now

Is there any sort of rule saying that you can't operate two usernames on Misplaced Pages at the exact same time, on the exact same computer? Would it even occur to anyone to make such a rule?--Chelloru 20:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

See WP:SOCK for the closest thing we have to that. Blackcap (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment: The above comment by Blackcap copied by myself from a duplicate section (which I'll delete now) from above; his was the only comment that wasn't in this section. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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