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| I'll tell you why- it's because people like you are here to 'edit', and make sure that doesn't happen. It's just a little bit TOO FAR when you go the complete opposite direction with it, but hey, nothing from the FAR LEFT surprises me anymore. | I'll tell you why- it's because people like you are here to 'edit', and make sure that doesn't happen. It's just a little bit TOO FAR when you go the complete opposite direction with it, but hey, nothing from the FAR LEFT surprises me anymore. | ||
| Can you not see where it's just a little childish? It's obvious that whoever wrote that first sentence knew exactly what they were doing, and why they were doing it.] (]) 08:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC) | Can you not see where it's just a little childish? It's obvious that whoever wrote that first sentence knew exactly what they were doing, and why they were doing it.] (]) 08:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC) | ||
| :Sigh. This is why we can't have nice things. Seriously, dude. Grow up and read a book or two. Every single reputable source on the planet...even the KKK itself...describes the KKK as Far Right. Nobody is buying your uneducated, unsourced, patently absurd, and utterly childish nonsense. --] ] 11:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Basic problems with this article
- At one time an organization called the "Ku Klux Klan" existed. This organization had certain policies and beliefs. It ceased to exist sometime in the middle of the last century.
- The name "Ku Klux Klan" is now in the public domain. It has been since the 1950's. Terms like "Klansman" or the "KKK leadership" or really anything KKK related are inaccurate when applied to events after WWII, because the organization no longer exists.
- Plenty of Klan-like organizations exist today, but these are distinct entities. They should be referred to by their organizational name, United Klans of America, Church of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Knights of the White Kamelia, or whatever.
See here: http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/ under Background. "Background: The Klan has fragmented into more than 40 separate factions of varying sizes. There is no “one” Ku Klux Klan."
Bad Grammar
There's a grammatical failure in the 'First KKK' section. There's a full-stop followed by a lowercase 'by' which doesn't parse. I don't seem to have the rights to edit this. Feel free to have a look at it or grant me rights to edit.
Potential Article Bias
This article is very biased by saying the KKK is right wing. The KKK was founded by the Democratic party. It is as far left as you can get. Dr Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican and fought the Democratic party at every step. Democratic impact on black America Our nation's top historians reveal that the Democratic Party gave us the Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation which resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings, mutilations, and intimidations (of thousands of black and white Republicans). On the issue of slavery: historians say the Democrats gave their lives to expand it, the Republicans gave their lives to ban it. "--The KKK was the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party.--"
The Democrats
Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it. Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws. Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and away from the polls, and they started the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize them. Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Ku Klux Klan. Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage. Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans. Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913. Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama. Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922. Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching. Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces. Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators. Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protestors were fighting. Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever. Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools. Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act. Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King. Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI. Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation. Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67. Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision. Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964. Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Regarding the Republican Party, historians report that while Democrats were busy passing laws to hurt blacks, Republicans devoted their time to passing laws to help blacks. Republicans were primarily responsible for the following Civil Rights legislation: 1. The Emancipation Proclamation 2. The 13th Amendment 3. The 14th Amendment 4. The 15th Amendment 5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867 6. The Civil Rights of 1866 7. The Enforcement Act of 1870 8. The Forced Act of 1871 9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875 11. The Freeman Bureau 12. The Civil Rights Act of 1957 13. The Civil Rights Act of 1960 14. The United State Civil Rights Commission
And gave strong bi-partisan support and sponsorship for the following legislation
15. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 17. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 18. The 1968 Civil Rights Acts 19. The Equal Opportunity Act of 1972 20. Goals and Timetables for Affirmative Action Programs 21. Comprehensive Employment Training Act of 1973 22. Voting Rights Act of Amendment of 1982 23. Civil Rights Act of 1983 24. Federal Contract Compliance and Workforce Development Act of 1988
Programs By Republicans & their Supporters include:
a. Many of our key traditional Black Colleges are named after Republicans Colleges b. The Freedman Bureau c. Historians say that three whites that opposed the Democrat's racist practices, including the lynching of blacks, founded and funded the NAACP
Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican because: The Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Democrats. Republicans founded the HCBU's and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats. Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress. Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote. Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools. Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision. Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's. Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing. Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.26.110 (talk) 17:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Your comments are uneducated and ill-informed. "Republican" is not a synonym for "Conservative," and "Democrat" is not a synonym for "Liberal." The current dichotomy is only a few decades old. For example, MLK was a LIBERAL Republican, who criticized Conservatives and the Right-Wing CONSTANTLY, (even comparing them to "Fascists") and he was OPPOSED by CONSERVATIVE Democrats. Read a book, and stop repeating the propaganda of uneducated Conservative dropouts who have talk shows. You will not find a single reputable source to back up your ludicrous and absurd "analysis." And next time, actually type something in your own words, instead of just cutting and pasting something you found on the Internet. --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 17:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- He will find those sources, Democrats were the Conservatives until the 60s-ish, and Republicans were the Liberals. That does not mean, however, that the Klan was ever a left-wing organization. Nothing screams "right wing" more to me than the 2nd and 3rd Klan's violent opposition to Socialism and Communism. IP, I've also reformatted your comments a bit for space and readability concerns, though have no changed any content Achowat (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- He can certainly find RS backing up the political affiliations...but the ANALYSIS, i.e, his/her insinuation that these were "Liberal Democrats" in the KKK, and "Conservative Republicans" in the Civil Rights Movement, is something no reputable historian would give any credence to... --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 18:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think the IP ever suggested that. The point of hir comments seem to boil down to "Democrats bad; Republicans Good". It's not worthy for inclusion, but the facts are definitely verifiable. (Again, I think the confusion lies in "Right Wing = Conservative" instead of "Right Wing = Republican" ). Achowat (talk) 18:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- The first few sentences of his/her comments clearly indicate that he/she thinks that these were "Left-Wing" Democrats in the KKK, and "Right-Wing" Republicans (and he/she apparently believes MLK was one of these.../facepalm) were the ones opposing them. If you Google the IP's statements, you'll find that they have been Spammed all over the Internet. Ignorance sells. --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 19:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- My apologies, it seems that was the IP's intention (I'm going to refer you to WP:TLDR as to why I'm not thoroughly familiar with the comments). Either way, this is clearly just a POV rant. Should probably be collapsed. Achowat (talk) 19:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- The first few sentences of his/her comments clearly indicate that he/she thinks that these were "Left-Wing" Democrats in the KKK, and "Right-Wing" Republicans (and he/she apparently believes MLK was one of these.../facepalm) were the ones opposing them. If you Google the IP's statements, you'll find that they have been Spammed all over the Internet. Ignorance sells. --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 19:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think the IP ever suggested that. The point of hir comments seem to boil down to "Democrats bad; Republicans Good". It's not worthy for inclusion, but the facts are definitely verifiable. (Again, I think the confusion lies in "Right Wing = Conservative" instead of "Right Wing = Republican" ). Achowat (talk) 18:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- He can certainly find RS backing up the political affiliations...but the ANALYSIS, i.e, his/her insinuation that these were "Liberal Democrats" in the KKK, and "Conservative Republicans" in the Civil Rights Movement, is something no reputable historian would give any credence to... --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 18:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- He will find those sources, Democrats were the Conservatives until the 60s-ish, and Republicans were the Liberals. That does not mean, however, that the Klan was ever a left-wing organization. Nothing screams "right wing" more to me than the 2nd and 3rd Klan's violent opposition to Socialism and Communism. IP, I've also reformatted your comments a bit for space and readability concerns, though have no changed any content Achowat (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
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Political Ideology is WRONG!
The KKK were NOT Far Right, or even Right! The KKK members were Democrats! Please Correct! Truth & FACTS Matter! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.135.195 (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, they were Democrats....FAR RIGHT Democrats. Read a book some time. --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 11:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Far right Democrats who wanted to kill Republicans? It's funny how the 4 references given for that opening statement in this article are all sources written AFTER 2000. So they are all recent literature. You mention to read a book, but you do know that books can be biased just as anything else? Do you think that the people actually in the KKK back then would have considered themselves FAR RIGHT? Do you think any political experts back then would have? This is what liberals do- re-write history. So yes, maybe according to the modern definitions of what FAR RIGHT means, the original KKK would be such. That is, according to the current definition which has been created by liberals in this modern era, who write book after book trying to apply things that were DONE BY DEMOCRATS to a right wing ideology. It really is pathetic and sad that here at wikipedia you would find that sentence as the FIRST sentence in an article about the KKK. It shows the same kind of liberal meddling with history that you see on the talk page of the 'Critical Race Theory' article where liberals like you, Bryon, went and tried to remove the term 'white supremacy' from the article because Soledad O'Brien incorrectly stated on her show that CRT did not include it as a central element. In fact she read the wikipedia entry on her show and stopped just before the line mentioning white supremacy. Then her minions went swift to work to protect her, by trying to remove 'white supremacy' from the article. Basically, liberal 'intellectuals' want to create this flat political spectrum with a 'left' and a 'right' including extreme ends of both, and a middle. The reality is not that simple. You can't just go placing things somewhere on that scale, but people do. The main reason anyone ever does it, is to try to condemn that side. The only time you ever see something called 'FAR RIGHT', it is because a smart*ss liberal wants to make conservatives look bad. The opposite is true whenever you see 'FAR LEFT'. It's childish and vastly oversimplified. Not everything falls onto a 1 dimensional line. It's obvious that the purpose of that sentence is to obscure the fact that the original KKK was a group of DEMOCRATS. Many people know that they were Democrats, but not all. Anyone who does know that, would be a little surprised to come to an article about a group of Democrats who went around killing blacks and Republicans, to find the opening sentence calling them 'FAR RIGHT'. It's a joke. BUT- anyone who DOESN'T know that they were Democrats, may look at the first paragraph or so and leave thinking that the KKK is and always has been a group of Conservatives/Republicans. Mission accomplished on your part, I guess! Oh but we have you here telling us to 'read a book', and the sentence has NO LESS than 4 (!) references to... BOOKS! WOW! So it must be true/accurate/relevant/not-at-all-a-thinly-veiled-political-ploy.
What next, are you going to have the opening line of the Abraham Lincoln article mention how FAR LEFT he was? Can you not see how that would be childish of you, or why this is also, being basically the same thing? I could even entertain the modern, liberal-conceived construct of "FAR LEFT vs FAR RIGHT" and play your ball game and consider/debate whether the KKK would be "FAR RIGHT" within that construct (which people like you created, for your own purposes of re-writing history, as you are doing here). I could even possibly be made to agree that, yes, according to your modern liberal definition of FAR RIGHT, the KKK is FAR RIGHT. Fine. YOU WIN. BUT- does it really have to be the **FIRST SENTENCE** IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT A BUNCH *OF DEMOCRATS WHO KILLED BLACK PEOPLE*?! Why isn't the first sentence like this: Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as the Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present groups, with the original being founded by Democrats.
I'll tell you why- it's because people like you are here to 'edit', and make sure that doesn't happen. It's just a little bit TOO FAR when you go the complete opposite direction with it, but hey, nothing from the FAR LEFT surprises me anymore. Can you not see where it's just a little childish? It's obvious that whoever wrote that first sentence knew exactly what they were doing, and why they were doing it.Shatteredsands (talk) 08:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
- Sigh. This is why we can't have nice things. Seriously, dude. Grow up and read a book or two. Every single reputable source on the planet...even the KKK itself...describes the KKK as Far Right. Nobody is buying your uneducated, unsourced, patently absurd, and utterly childish nonsense. --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 11:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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