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May 18

Buzzcocks cover

OK, with my previous question fallen on deaf ears (no offense), I ask another random musical query:

I just heard the Buzzcocks' song "Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn'tve)" on the radio, and although I had never heard the Buzzcocks before I recognized it. I remember it appearing in a movie, but I'm sure the version in the movie was a cover. What movie could it have been, and what band would have covered it? Help me out!!

75.73.226.36 (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

According to the article, Ever_Fallen_in_Love_(With_Someone_You_Shouldn't've) has appeared on several soundtracks covered by different bands. If you look at the list, maybe you'll find the one you're thinking of. RudolfRed (talk) 02:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I know the feeling. I used to work in cornfields, and everything I said fell on deaf ears. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 05:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

That's why the corn cob married the potato. He was her eyes, and she was his ear. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 08:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The Fine Young Cannibals did a cover of it that was quite successful commercially. I really liked it... until I heard the foot-stompingly brilliant original. Now I can't bear the cover. --Dweller (talk) 11:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I figured it out: it was Pete Yorn's version in Shrek 2. Thanks! 75.73.226.36 (talk) 11:53, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

As an aside, you should listen to more Buzzcocks. Fantastically great punk band. My favorite song is "What do I get", but their catalogue is filled with gems. Solid band. --Jayron32 15:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

As a further aside, everyone should listen to more Buzzcocks. - Jmabel | Talk 07:22, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, not everyone. I took Jayron's advice and listened to that clip he recommended. Certainly not my cup of tea, and I won't be giving them any more of my precious auditory attention, but horses for courses, as they say. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 19:16, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you know what's the name of...

this underwear model? . 84.110.45.1 (talk) 11:01, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's not Vin Diesel. :-) StuRat (talk) 17:48, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Mythbusters - Fizzy Drink Tests Episode

I recently watched a repeat of the Mythbusters episode were they are using fizzy drinks to clean stuff. When the part were they used it on the teeth, me and my friends started arguing about the test (and therefor missed the rest of the show). The argument being that when they put the teeth into the glasses with the fizzy drinks, they are left in for (I think) 24 to 48 hours, and that would be like me sitting here with a mouth full of fizzy drink for over a day.
I have seen other shows were they have done the same or similar tests, including the duration the teeth are left in the fizzy drinks. I am not agruing that fizzy drinks are bad for my teeth but my question was how accurate are these tests ? 80.254.146.140 (talk) 11:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

By allowing the teeth to soak longer, it would create a much more visible range of difference between the different drinks, thereby making it easier to determine the most effective. Yes, realistically you wouldn't soak your teeth for 48 hours in in soda, but for the sake of testing their method makes sense. --192.139.119.4 (talk) 12:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

It makes sense as an experiment to find if fizzy drinks can make teeth rot, but as an experiment into whether fizzy drinks can make teeth rot in the process of drinking, it seems a naive and useless methodology to me. --Dweller (talk) 13:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

So, when people say to "Drinking fizzy drinks is bad for my teeth because..." and mention those experments and their results, are they right or wrong ? 80.254.146.140 (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The idea is that each drink exposes your teeth to the fizzy drink for maybe 5 minutes, and over a lifetime, that quickly adds up to 48 hours (that would be about 500 drinks at 5 minutes each, you could do that in a year easy). StuRat (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I was always under the impression was fizzy drinks left a residue of sugar everywhere in your mouth which speeds up the growth of plague. 130.88.172.34 (talk) 21:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The combination of dissolving the protective coating on the teeth and then feeding sugar to the bacteria in the plaque is far worse than either alone. StuRat (talk) 23:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Why on earth can't anybody say Coca Cola? It's obvious that's what the Mythbusters program was about. HiLo48 (talk) 21:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Not to me. Pepsi is just as bad and Mountain Dew may be the worst of all. StuRat (talk) 23:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Have you seen the Mythbusters episode? It obviously wasn't Mountain Dew. It might have been Pepsi, but my impression was that the presenters were going out of their way to tell us it was Coca Cola without actually saying the name. In their case I can understand it would be for commercial (and possibly legal) reasons. But we are not so constrained. HiLo48 (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't saying it could have been Mountain Dew in that episode, I'm saying MD may be even worse for your teeth. I think the reason is that you can drink more of it than a cola. (At least with me, too much cola makes me feel ill, so I stop.) StuRat (talk) 23:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Please identify

English actor named Charles. Colour movies. Retired. Played upper crust and german officers. Kittybrewster ☎ 16:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Charles Dance? --TammyMoet (talk) 17:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Older than him. Retired. Kittybrewster ☎ 17:29, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

So, are you gonna share with us, Kitty? -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 21:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Spouse misidentified someone looking like Charles Gray. Kittybrewster ☎ 21:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

So does he have dark hair and a square face? Robert Vaughn perhaps? --TammyMoet (talk) 10:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Resolved? If it is Robert Vaughn, he's still making TV programmes in the UK and not retired. Kitty? --TammyMoet (talk) 17:50, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Kitty marked it Resolved without telling us who it was. That's why I asked (almost 24 hours ago). I'm presuming her reference to Charles Gray was the answer, but it's somewhat vague .... -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 19:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Spouse saw him in the street and gave me the info. Probably wrong since Charles Gray is dead. Not Robert Vaughn. Kittybrewster ☎ 19:43, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

So, are you saying it isn't resolved after all. And never was? Do you still want us to help you, Kitty? -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 19:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

And aren't you going to put us out of our misery? Who is it then!--TammyMoet (talk) 08:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it was a non-notable man who resembled charles Gray. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:01, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

So, it's not resolved, then. I've removed the misleading "Resolved" tag pending actual resolution. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 12:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Before WW II. Big bulgy eyes. Kaiser helmet. Kittybrewster ☎ 20:21, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

If he was making films before WWII, as an adult old enough to be a German officer, that would make him at least 100 years old now, probably more like 110-120. Are you quite, quite sure he's still alive? -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 00:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes. The films portrayed him wearing german officer uniform but were made in colour and are therefore post c.1947. Kittybrewster ☎ 19:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

So, what was "Before WW II" meant to tell us? Kitty, I think I'll dub you Madame Crypto-Misleado. You seem to be going out of your way to make sure you don't get the answer to this question, what with a misleading "Resolved" tag when it wasn't resolved, and now a false clue. You must help us to help you, not hinder us. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 20:38, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Spouse has leaked detail slowly. the real man was spotted having parkinson's in the street and recognised as as actor who has played german/prussian officers. spouse thought it was charles gray and then it became resolved. then spouse changed their mind so it became unresolved. Kittybrewster ☎ 21:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

May 19

Is there a name for this heavy metal musical technique?

Only recently finding out there are names to techniques like Alberti bass and Mannheim rocket, I was wondering if there was a name for the simple and often used technique of filling in the gaps of a melody or ornamentation (played on a guitar, for example) with either bass notes—the root, I guess—or some other pattern. I've looked at Heavy metal music#Relationship with classical music (and other sections) and Baroque music#Styles and forms and the closest things I can find are Basso continuo#Basso continuo, but that's not it, and maybe Pedal point, though maybe this is a variation.

Some examples (time aligned) from Youtube (please note your computer's volume, the metal songs may be loud): Metallica's "Master of Puppets" (cover), Bach Fugue, and Children of Bodom, end of Towards Dead End

Thanks!!– Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 01:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The technique of making a monophonic instrument play two or more voices by using rapid alternations of pitches separated by relatively large intervals, is called pseudopolyphony or implied polyphony, and the result is called a compound melodic line. So I'd say that the term you are looking for is a compound melodic line, where the lower voice is a pedal point. (And yes, I know an electric guitar is a polyphonic instrument, but in the Master of puppets link, it was mostly played monophonically in the phrases in question). --NorwegianBlue 21:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Pedal point it is! Thanks so much! – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 17:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Old Cartoon about elfs/dwarfs who work in a forest making milk/drink?

I remember an old cartoon about some kind of elves or dwarves who work in a forest making some kind of drink. And then maybe the elves drink this milk or something that turns them into dark evil elves, but the good white milk changes them back. I think the evil elves were blue or something. Any of this ring a bell?

Also what is this name of this old black and white cartoon, theres a big mean guy with a beard, and he slaps around this cat or kid at the docks? --Gary123 (talk) 02:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The first one sounds like a mangled version of The Sunshine Makers, in which cheerful workers bottle and deliver sunshine in what look like milk bottles, and battle others who like being sad. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Soccer teams of Europe

Which team in France gets support from the ethnic minorities meaning Arabs and Africans? Which team in Belgium gets support from the ethnic minorities meaning Africans? Which team in England gets support from the ethnic minorities meaning South Asians, Arabs, Africans, Iranians and Turks? Which team in Spain gets support from ethnic minorities meaning Africans? which team in Portugal gets support from ethnic minorities meaning Africans and which team gets support from ethnic minorities meaning Arabs and Africans? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.151.226 (talk) 04:38, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

All of them. --Jayron32 18:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Great response Jayron. This is a really weird question. It involves so many questionable assumptions it's impossible to answer in any direct and helpful way. HiLo48 (talk) 21:58, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Name for the array of monitors and controls used by sound technician?

Is there a name for the array of monitors and controls used by a sound technician during a live performance? On Commons, someone created a category Commons:Category:Monitor world (sound reinforcement). I'm extremely suspicious of that name, and seriously doubt it has any currency, but I don't have a better term to suggest.- Jmabel | Talk 07:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Mixing console (aka audio mixer, sound board, etc.)? Clarityfiend (talk) 08:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

That's what I'd have called it when I was playing music circa the 1970s, but the person who created this category seems to have that sort of thing as subcategories: Commons:Category:Monitor mixers‎, Commons:Category:Multicore cables (sound reinforcement), Commons:Category:Stage monitor racks‎, Commons:Category:Stage monitors. - Jmabel | Talk 17:26, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Real Madrid

If Iker Casillas , the team captain , isn't on-pitch (substituted,sent off,etc.) who will wear the captian armband? Marcelo Sergio Ramos or Higuain or other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wzmileksir (talk • contribs) 11:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Jazz and singles

hello,

is this correct to call a separately released Jazz tune "single", or is this term only for non-compositions? Regards.--GoP_TN 21:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

To inverstigate your question, I googled it, but was rather surpried that the first several hits were to dating sites. So I needed to break out of my filter bubble, and DuckDuckWent it instead. (I've no idea why google believes I would be insterested in this sourt of stuff. Honest! And it's difficult to se where the ads stop and the results begin). The DuckDuckGo result was a lot less noisy, and explained the hits on dating sites: there is a British dating site for people who share an interest in jazz called www.jazzsingles.co.uk. And there was a link to a (nonresponsive) American site as well. Most of the remaining hits that I checked were hits on relevant sites, where "jazz singles" mostly referred to jazz compositions released in single format, whether they were cover versions or original performances. If you want to refer to a jazz composition without reference to performer, you could use "jazz song", or "jazz composition" (as you did). --NorwegianBlue 22:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The term "single" gets abused a bit, but it referes to a specific type of recording, one that has a single song on each side of a vinyl record disk. This usage became quite anachronistic as that type of media has died out, but it never meant just a "song", although in modern usage, the term has become confused with "song". So yes, there were Jazz singles, insofar as you could purchase a single-format recording which had jazz music on it. In the 1990s, when compact discs became the standard format for music, there started to be released "CD singles" and "CD Maxi singles" which were actually of a length that used to be called "EPs" or "Extended Play" records on vinyl. An EP had 2-3 songs (say, 10 minutes) on each side of the disc. A "record album" or "LP" or "Long Play" had 5-6 songs (say, 20-25 minutes) on each side. Now that most music is bought digitally, these terms have little meaning. Every song can be purchased as a stand-alone piece of music, so the idea of "singles" "EPs" and "LPs" are historical things. Singles used to come in several formats, most home consumers bought what were called "45s", which were played at 45 RPM, and usually came in a small 7-inch format. Record stations and DJs used what were called "12 inch singles" which were larger and also played at 45 RPM. Prior to the 1950s, the most popular single format was the 10-inch, 78 RPM disc, referenced in the Aerosmith song "Big Ten Inch Record", a format that even by the 1970s was outdated such that Aerosmith could make an oldy-sounding song about it. --Jayron32 23:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

"Big Ten Inch Record" was an oldie by the time Aerosmith recorded it. Bull Moose Jackson had originally recorded it in 1952. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Jayron (always a help!) I will change it to "single". Regards.--GoP_TN 09:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

All the original recordings were "singles". The earliest ones didn't even have a "B" side. You could buy physical "albums" to store these singles in (the modern equivalent is the CD albums you can find most anywhere). Longer recordings, such as symphonies and operas, required multiple "singles" in these "album" folders. So the term "album" in reference to an LP was a natural term to use. I don't know for sure, but I suspect 45s came along around the time portable record players came along, in the 1950s. 45s were obviously much lighter to carry in the types of "album" books designed to carry collections of 45s. 45s and 78s co-existed at least through the 1950s, and until the mid-1960s or so a typical stereo had a second needle for use with 78s, which had a different groove structure. Of course, you had to allow for the big hole in the middle of 45s, and there were several approaches for it. Those portable players often had a little disk in the middle that you lift and set in place so the 45 would be stable. Finally, artists stopped releasing stuff on both 45 and 78, and just focused on 45. Just as LPs for awhile were on both vinyl and CD, and generally now only CD. Similar evolution currently in process with film, videotape, DVD, and BluRay. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, dear, I get to be the old guy.

Even by the 1930s (and I believe in the 1920s), "albums" in more or less the modern sense were pretty common, though of course they consisted of a literal album containing multiple 78 RPM records. You could get multi-disc versions of any of Beethoven's symphonies, for example, but (for example) the Almanac Singers' recording of songs of the Spanish Civil War came out as an album of 78s, which I had as a child. No, it was not new at the time I had it.

45s and 33s both date from the late 1940s. There was also a 16-2/3 speed, which ended up used mostly for spoken-word records for the blind.

The last stand of 78 RPM records was children's records, which continued to be released on 78 into the early 1960s. - Jmabel | Talk 03:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

The inserts, as shown here, were one of at least 3 systems. Another was the little pop-up thing I talked about, for players that could only handle one record at a time. The third was an adapter for the record-changer, the tall spindle with a little "trip" mechanism to make the next one in a stack of records drop into the play position, which was common on non-portable players. You would slide that cyclindrical adapter over the spindle and it would work the same way. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 08:46, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Identify UK TV advert

I was reminded the other day of an advert from the late 70's (or thereabouts) - rather sexist by today's standards, but still amusing. It went something like:

MAN: What are we having for dinner tonight?
For i = 1 to {reasonably large number}

MAN: Is it {synonym of delicious}?

WIFE: Yes!

SHOT OF PRODUCT

Next
MAN: What is it?
WIFE: Suet pudding.
FX: Off-screen domestic violence
V/O: Give them what they really want - {name of product}
MAN: SUET PUDDING!!!

A search on "suet pudding advert", not unexpectedly, gives us adverts for suet pudding, which isn't the case here. Can anyone remember what the advert was actually for? Tevildo (talk) 21:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Think you need to edit because I don't remember the mathematical explanation being in there... but I'll leave it to you Tevildo cos I could be wrong! --TammyMoet (talk) 08:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Was it Caramac or Angel Delight? --TammyMoet (talk) 11:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Not Caramac, it was definitely a "meal" rather than a "snack" item. It might have been Angel Delight, although I had the impression it was a savoury rather than a sweet product - I'll see if I can find some Angel Delight adverts of the era. Incidentally, that photo in the Angel Delight article is positively obscene... Tevildo (talk) 12:18, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Think I meant Caramelle rather than Caramac. Another thought: was it Fray Bentos pies? --TammyMoet (talk) 09:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Mmmm... Tinned meat pies! Proper British fast food... except you had to cook the bloody things for half an hour, and even then the pastry had an unpleasant slimey consistency. I don't remember the ad I'm afraid, despite a depressingly comprehensive memory of 1960s marketing campaigns. Who else remembers the cartoon crow that used to advertise Farrows' tinned peas? BTW I rather think Angel Delight was a product of the 1970s, displacing "Instant Whip" and all those blancmanges that we used to eat. Alansplodge (talk) 00:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I stand corrected: Angel Delight says it was launched in 1967. Alansplodge (talk) 00:11, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about it further, I would _not_ be surprised to find it was Bird's Dream Topping, before it contained "TWELVE-and-a-HALF--PERCENT--real-CREAM". Investigations are continuing. Thanks for all the help so far. Tevildo (talk) 22:41, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

lyrics question

In "Wonderful World" by Sam Cooke, is it "I dont claim to be an A student", or "ace student"? 87.194.239.235 (talk) 22:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

"an A student". RudolfRed (talk) 22:41, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Definitely "A student". Great song by the way.--GoP_TN 09:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. 87.194.239.235 (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

May 20

Seeking a "brothers" band

Hi. I was listening to a rerun of American Top 40 today; I don't know what year it was from, but doubtless from the 1970s. Among the songs on the roster was one by a band called the " Brothers", which consisted, Kasem (the DJ) said, of two brothers (with the surname ). One of their earlier songs (not the one he played) had been covered more than a hundred times over the years, and had made them loads of money. The song he played though, was their own (not a cover). I'm seeking their last name; alas, all I remember of it is that it ended in a vowel sound (probably a non-silent e; the name Anende sounds about right (but isn't right)). Any ideas? (I know this isn't much to go on.)—msh210℠ 20:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Allman Brothers ? StuRat (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The Everly Brothers? The Doobie Brothers? The Isley Brothers (lots of 'brothers' bands in the 70s...) --Onorem♠Dil 20:12, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Nope, but thanks for trying. It was none of those. I should mention also that the show I heard today aired on KZQZ-AM (in case that helps anyone figure out what year it was from) and that I think Kasem said the earlier song (the one covered so many times) had been from 1950s (but I'm not sure).—msh210℠ 20:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I thought I had it with Isley...Shout was much covered and came out in 59. I'll keep looking. --Onorem♠Dil 20:28, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Whoever they are, they're not listed as " Brothers" at Category:Sibling musical duos.—msh210℠ 20:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Lots of "Brothers" weren't, e.g. The Righteous Brothers and The Walker Brothers. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

But he said these were brothers, which those two (I think) were not.—msh210℠ 21:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I've remembered something else. Whatever song Kasem played (i.e., not the heavily covered one from the '50s) had a long title, long enough to make me wonder if it had parentheses in it.—msh210℠ 20:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Alessi Brothers? Oh Lori was quite big here in the UK in about 1977 or 1978. Britmax (talk) 21:53, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The name sounds right, but the dates don't (they were too late), and they don't seem to have such a heavily covered song.—msh210℠ 21:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The Bellamy Brothers were real-life siblings; they released "If I Said You Had a Beautiful Body Would You Hold It Against Me", which is long title. But their dates don't seem to match your parameters. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 03:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

From what I can tell through various searches, there are two AT40 programs featuring Casey Kasem that are being broadcast - reruns of shows from the 70s and reruns of shows from the 80s. This website list the songs played on each. For this past weekend, the only "brothers" act appears on the 70s playlist, the Addrisi Brothers, who our article tells us wrote "Never My Love", which has been covered dozens of times and "was the second most-played song on radio and television of the 20th century." --LarryMac | Talk 13:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Although the song title in that link (now corrected, incidentally) is just "Slow Dancin'", according to allmusic.com the full title is "Slow Dancin' Don't Turn Me On", which is not particularly long, but to my ears sounds like it could be partially parenthetical. Their other minor hit of the early 70's was "We've Got to Get it on Again". You can find performances of both songs on YouTube. --LarryMac | Talk 21:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much!! Yes, "Never My Love" was the song Kasem mentioned (he said it'd been covered more than a hundred times, I believe), and "Slow Dancin' Don't Turn Me On" was indeed the song I heard (great song, incidentally, and one I'd never AFAIK heard before).—msh210℠ 03:55, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Incidentally, the still shown at the 50-second mark in this YouTube video includes the title "SLOW DANCIN' (DON'T TURN ME ON)" (sic, with parentheses).—msh210℠ 04:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I've moved them out of Category:Musical duos and into the sub-cat Category:Sibling musical duos. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 19:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Georges Méliès and the Star Films catalogue

Many of the films created by the legendary French filmmaker Georges Méliès have a number in something called a Star Films catalogue. I know that Star Films was Melies' film studio, and that Playing Cards, which is listed as number 1 in the catalogue - See here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IKvSErVidQ - was apparently Melies' first film. This leads me to believe that the order of the Star Films catalogue denotes the release order of Melies' films, however I do not know this for sure. One point that confuses me is that some films have multiple numbers in the Star Films Catalogue. For example The Haunted Castle is number 78-80. If the number denotes the order of release, then it wouldn't make any sense for The Haunted Castle to be the 78th, 79th, and 80th film to be released. Its only one film!

Can anyone confirm what the order of films in the Star Films catalogue means?--Jpcase (talk) 20:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Star Film (in English) was the name of Méliès's production company. The catalogue is simply the list of films he produced in his studios, reconstituted by historians from various written sources after the fact (many of the actual films have been lost); there was never an actual publication called the "Star Film Catalogue", with numbered items. The numbers are an attempt to give some chronological order to his vast production. It seems that the "Haunted Castle" (aka "The Devil's Castle") has three numbers because it's in three 20-metre reels, rather than the usual one reel. In the on-line list here , all films on more than one reel have multiple numbers. --Xuxl (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for responding! I was worried that my question was too obscure for anyone to answer. So just to be clear; you are saying that when the Star Films catalogue was created, an attempt was made to order the films as closely as possible to their release order, but that the ordering probably isn't exact?-Jpcase (talk) 15:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. Let's not forget that the whole cinema business was very different in those days, more akin to producing comedy sketches for county fairs than to today's studio blockbusters, so there is scant documentation available on many of the lost films. --Xuxl (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! Are there any reliable references that explain all of this? I would love to include this information on the Misplaced Pages page Georges Méliès filmography--Jpcase (talk) 00:28, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

May 21

Christopher nolan

Was Mr. Christopher Nolan an assistant to any cine personality for cinematic techniques like direction/editing/cinematography etc.? Has he done a course for any of the above mentioned studies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.224.149.10 (talk) 04:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Is our Christopher Nolan article about the man you mean ? (It's a common name, so I want to be sure.) StuRat (talk) 04:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the director of Dark Knight

He worked as cinematographer and editor on his first two films, Following and the short film Doodlebug but he doesn't seem to have formally studied filmmaking. His partly self-taught and partly learned through the film society at University College London. Most likely, he worked on other people's amateur films during his childhood and student days, but he's not listed as doing paid work for anybody else on any commercial films. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Pause button, play button

Does anyone know where the designs for the pause button (two vertical bars), play button (right-pointing triangle), fast-forward button (two right-pointing triangle), stop button (square), etc., came from? They're now pretty much found everywhere from smartphones to MP3 players to DVD players to flash videos but where did they originate? I'm guessing they were first developed for cassette players, so maybe around the 1970s, but it would be interested to find a first recorded use or designer even. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.101.76 (talk) 11:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Checking out google images, they don't appear to have been used on 8-tracks, which were an early portable audio tape system. They would have been useless on a record player. So that leaves cassette audio and possibly reel-to-reel to check out. Here's the thing, though: When you're dealing with physical buttons, the words are sufficient. I can't recall ever seeing a reel-to-reel with those symbols, and I don't think they were used in early cassettes, either. The reason for adopting non-language symbols like that would likely be for international markets and for "virtual" buttons like on computers. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. The words may be sufficient for you, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they are for everyone. If a play button on a CD player is labelled ►, for example, that is a lot clearer than one marked PLAY. It's shorter, neater and completely intuitive, so please stop making meaningless generalizations. --Viennese Waltz 12:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. I intended to say they were sufficient at the time. Obviously not now. Totally guessing here, but if there were cassette recorders being sold in non-English countries, they might well have had to print words in that language... until someone came up with the famous language-independent symbols. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

The booklet for my first video cassette recorder, from about 1981, already has the well-known symbols - as well as the corresponding English words. Looking now for my early-1970s audio cassette recorder. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Booklet for my first audio cassette recorder, from about 1970, has the arrows and the words, but does not have a pause feature at all - just a stop/eject. Likewise with one from 1971 or 1972, which shows the standard symbols and words, including a little black square for "stop", but again no pause button. It was either playing/recording - or it was stopped. No in-between. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

That brings up a further point. "►" may be fine for left to right scripts, as it is general considered forward movement, but what about in countries reading right-to-left: do they reverse the triangle? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.101.76 (talk) 13:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Those arrows describe the physical direction the tape is moving, so switching them could be even more confusing. I may be wrong, but I think CD's spin counterclockwise, which would be left-to-right at the front of the player. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Of course, the play symbol still appears on digital music players, which have no moving media the arrow is supposed to indicate the direction of. --Jayron32 00:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure. It's just that everyone now is used to the standard symbols, independent of the physical media. Old habits. Like the sound you hear when you pick up a land-line phone, a "dial tone", never mind that no one "dials" anymore. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 08:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Some theories - Jarry1250  13:03, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) This Grundig reel-to-reel recorder from 1963 already had the arrows for forward/backward (a rather intuitive choice) and the red circle for record (a pretty arbitrary symbol). The Grundig C100 from 1965 had the double arrows for fast forward/rewind, but text labels for all other buttons. At the time, it seems like Philips and Grundig were the only ones offering cassette players, and the Philips models of the time had text labels until 1966 or 1967 (when they adopted the symbols we know today), so it looks like those symbols were designed by someone working for Grundig. According to this forum discussion, these symbols were defined as an international standard by the IEC in 1973 (IEC417 -Graphical symbols for use on equipment), but I don't know if the earliest version of the IEC definition already included the pause symbol....from going through the images at the cassette recorder museum, it looks like the pause symbol did not become an established standard until well into the 1970s (of course, early tape recorders mostly didn't have a pause function, so there was no need for a standardized symbol early on). -- Ferkelparade π 13:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Interesting question. I always assumed the symbols were chosen because they were clear about tape movement and direction. The red for record being a color of warning--careful, you don't want to accidentally record over something you want to keep! I'm pretty sure I've seen red arrows in addition to red circles. The double lines for pause I always guessed had to do with how tape heads look, (but this is just a guess). Finally, for what it's worth, here is a photo of a 1974 Polish reel-to-reel machine showing those symbols (you have to zoom in to see clearly). It's a non-English example anyway: File:Unitra ZK-147.jpg. Also, I would think the symbols are more likely to originate with reel-to-reel machines than cassette players. It's more important to know which way the tape is moving with open reels than with cassettes. The fast forward and rewind functions are particularly linked to the way the spinning reels look when working with those machines. And the visual idea "I want all the tape to be on that reel", press button with arrows pointing toward that reel. The reels in cassettes are more hidden from view, and unlike open reels you don't unwind the tape completely from one of the reels. Pfly (talk) 00:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

About the pause button. I thought the main point of it was to be able to engage the recording head without starting the tape moving—pressing both pause and record. That way you can immediately start recording without the record head having to physically move up to the tape, which would involve a small amount of time and needless head movement. The pause button seems much less useful on cassette players. At least, back in the 1980s when I was recording in a studio on reel-to-reel machines "pause-record" was the way we were taught. I wonder if early reel-to-reel machines did not let you engage the record head without moving the tape, or if perhaps they had some other way to do it—perhaps you could engage the heads with a lever or something? Pfly (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

May 22

Black and white movie - cold graves

Hello. This is a real shot in the dark, but I'm looking for a black and white movie (probably late fifties, American) that I saw on TCM years ago. The only thing I remember about this film is one scene, where a female is explaining to the protagonist that on hot nights, she likes to go to the cemetery because the graves are nice and cold to the touch. I would be so happy if anyone can figure this out. 74.69.117.101 (talk) 04:17, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

It's In the Heat of the Night (the movie, not the later TV series). Here's the script: . Do a find (Control F) on "coolest" to see the relevant part. May we mark this Q resolved ? StuRat (talk) 04:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Only trouble is, it's a color film. However, here's the clip. The comment in question comes about 2 minutes in. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 08:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe the OP saw it on a B/W TV? I think did on my (only) viewing years ago, but my memory's blurred because I'd previously read the book. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 12:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess I remembered it wrong...thanks guys!!! 74.69.117.101 (talk) 01:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'll mark it resolved. StuRat (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Minesweeper record

I just did a record on beginner minesweeper and I noticed there is no such here http://www.minesweeper.info/World_Record_History. So I wanted to ask you if I could send you a screenshot of it. The record is 0 seconds on beginner!I justed clicked at random and everything was solved. (The mines were placed in a way that one lucky click could solve everything at once). And it was on linux. So ,if I send the screenshot to you, will you put it on the record list? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.177.134.174 (talk) 13:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, this is the help page for Misplaced Pages, the online encyclopedia. We don't have any connection to the minesweeper game, and we don't display video games records. You will have to find some other way to contact them. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

black/white - ferroseed

how does ferroseed evolve? I'd look this up elsewhere but my parents don't let me on to most sites — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.43.78.36 (talk) 15:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Level 40.Mingmingla (talk) 17:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.43.78.36 (talk) 17:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

microsoft force feedback joystick schematics

I would like to find any and all technical drawings and or wiring schematics for the microsoft series of force feedback PC only, joysticks. I need voltages for components and circuit board information-thank youRedsox 69 (talk) 17:18, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Who's the guy across the street in Simpsons Episode Day of the Jackanapes?

I just watched this (for the first time) on TV. At the end of the Krusty Burger scene, there's a curious pedestrian in the background who stops and watches Bart finish Krusty off as Sideshow Bob laughs. I'm convinced it's a reference to something... but what? Egg Centric 18:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

French films dealing with immigrants

How many French films are there that deals with ethnic diversity, intolerance, and immigrant like "The Class"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.40.177 (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

136. --Viennese Waltz 19:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

73.8% of statisticians agree that numbers plucked out of the air like that are meaningless. :) -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ 21:59, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes indeed. Confirmed by 87 studies. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, the issue of diversity/immigration is one that is very frequently dealt with in contemporary French cinema. There is a very large number of films over the last 10 or 15 years that deal with this issue, either directly or indirectly. Would you have a more specific question ? --Xuxl (talk) 09:45, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

La Haine is one of the best known recent examples. --Viennese Waltz 11:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Darth Traya a bit like Ayn Rand

I was scrolling through various beliefs about the Force on Wookieepedia a while back and I stumbled upon this article about Darth Traya. After seeing the name Atton Rand I thought of Ayn Rand and sure enough Darth Traya's beliefs reminded me of objectivism; Darth Traya felt that the Force was a detriment to both Sith and Jedi making her a slave to neither side. Heck, she even sounds like an interstellar version of Ayn Rand: "If you seek to aid everyone that suffers in the galaxy, you will only weaken yourself… and weaken them.". Has anyone else like a blogger or writer for a game website noticed this? Has the creator of Darth Traya acknowledged this? --Melab±1 ☎ 22:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Atton Rand is actually a different character, only related to Darth Traya in that they were in the same video game and knew the player character. Atton Rand himself doesn't appear to have very objectivist qualities, though I'm not really familiar with the subject matter. It is suggested that his name "Atton" is a reference to "atonement": The character has screwed up big time in his life, but with the players help, can redeem himself. Buddy431 (talk) 04:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

May 23

regarding scene in Little Shop Of Horrors, the 1986 movie

In one scene of Little Shop of Horrors, as Steve Martin is singing "Dentist!" he goes into a closet that is set up like a shrine to his mother. We are shown a brief shot of the picture of his mother. Whose picture was used for that shot? I have looked at the wikipedia page and the info is not there, nor is there any info in the screen credits either on the film or at IMDB.com 75.219.237.225 (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It don't know who the mom is. Here's a clip for anyone else who wants to try and figure it out: , the mom is at about 2:08 in that clip. (And the movie is from 1986) RudolfRed (talk) 02:20, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It's such a fleeting glimpse, and such a dim photo, that I doubt whether her(?) identity is noted anywhere. I'm sure it's common for a photo of someone's real mother to be used in such circumstances, but to me that photo looks like it's a man. Thanks for the clip by the way; I had forgotten that particular number, even though my sig contains a quote from the movie.--Shantavira| 14:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It's either a man or a rather masculine-looking woman, and for all we know it might be some kind of inside joke. Has the OP checked with any internet forums to see if anyone has a clue? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:42, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

obscure R&B singer

Saxophonist Kim Waters' single, "Stay," features R&B singer Juanita Dailey on vocals. Years later, Juanita released her own album, "Free." I'm trying to get into contact with her. Where's a good place to start? Anyone know?24.90.204.234 (talk) 07:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

According to this, she is now a Christian minister. You could try contacting her producer Norman Connors, whose last record was issued by Shanachie Records. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Good spoiler warning-free anime website with full episode summaries

Is anyone here aware of any anime website that has full episode summaries of several, recent anime, but does not have any spoiler warnings? Sometimes I find blogs that have episode reviews/summaries, but either they don't cover a lot of anime, or/and they have spoiler warnings. On the other hand, here in the English Misplaced Pages, we don't have spoiler warnings on our episode summaries, but they are usually rather short or incomplete. Are there any good active sites with spoiler warning-free episode summaries out there? Narutolovehinata5 11:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Why does The Joker care who Batman is in TDK?

I'm rewatching The Dark Knight, and I don't get why The Joker demands that Batman remove his mask. He stresses later in the film that he loves chaos and anarchy, but he doesn't want the mob taking over the city which is the likely outcome of the end of Batman. So what gives? 130.88.172.34 (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

This is a work of fiction. Unless the author has explicitly explained a character's motivation, there is no recourse for finding out what those motivations are. In otherwords, if the movie doesn't explain it, there is no way anyone else can either, so it is left up to you, as a viewer, to make up your own explanation. --Jayron32 19:20, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

"I don't have a motive. I'm just plumb loco." "Ah, a loco motive." (not from Batman in any form) —Tamfang (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Fair point, I guess I'm asking if anyone thinks I've missed something from the film where the motive is explained or implied. 130.88.172.34 (talk) 21:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes particular incidents or lines in movies can be mysterious because they refer to something that was not kept in the final print. I suppose the witch's reference to the "little insect" (the "Jitterbug") in The Wizard of Oz is one of the most famous of those, but it's also well-documented. Have you tried any Batman or Superhero internet forums? There could be better speculation there, and someone might even have the correct answer. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

May 24

anal spewage (book review)

am i the only one here that thinks this book (http://www.docmikebradley.com/my_book_01.html) is pure anal spewage? Abbey1997 811-a (talk) 05:36, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I added to your title to make it more useful. StuRat (talk) 06:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks like a reasonable book to me. What's your complaint about it ? StuRat (talk) 06:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

As noted at the top of this page, the reference desk does not answer requests for opinions. RudolfRed (talk) 06:27, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

America: A Tribute to Heroes

Why does the image on the front cover only have 48 stars? Ballchef (talk) 07:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

There haven't been any American heroes since 1959? HiLo48 (talk) 08:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

The album is from the 9/11 benefit. Maybe no one from Alaska or Hawaii donated? Ballchef (talk) 08:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

The cover looks a lot like Jasper Johns' iconic Flag, painted in 1954/55. ---Sluzzelin talk 08:39, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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