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The Good

Awards - overdue and richly deserved

I've been around Misplaced Pages for a while, but I've never before seen your rare combination of perspicacity and civility. I wanted to give recognition to your remarkable contributions to the ongoing struggle to make the Dissociative Identity Disorder article more correct and useful. When I entered into this struggle, I didn't expect to encounter someone with my level of passion and persistence for this subject. Surprise!!!

I am continually amazed, delighted, and gratified by your contributions. It is a remarkable gift to the community, both small (Wikipedian - rather large, actually) and large (the rest of the blessed world!). I am well beyond grateful for what you do. I therefore have no choice but to award you TWO barnstars simultaneously (I've never seen this done before); to do less would be to perpetrate a misrepresentation of your value to us:

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Awarded to Tylas for her untiring responsiveness in the torrent of hostile chatter that has characterized the Talk:Dissociative_identity_disorder page in recent weeks, as well as her multiple valuable contributions to the article itself. Your knowledge of the literature is manifestly broad and deep, and your many ways of sharing this knowledge is an educational experience for all us who are capable of learning (and a missed wakeup call for all others!) Tom Cloyd (talk) 00:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

		Civility Award
		Awarded to Tylas for her unfailing politeness and good humor, in the face of a broad range of uncouth and completely uncalled-for responses and behavior, while working on the Misplaced Pages DID article. I've never before in my entire life seen such an impressive display of the power of "nice". Awesome, thought-provoking, and effective. Tom Cloyd (talk) 00:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Awwwww.....! Thank you! I am blushing from head to toes! :) I got barn stars! I am so excited! ~ty (talk) 04:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, now we gotta find you a barn. That'll take a little time. I just know I have one around here somewhere...Tom Cloyd (talk) 05:21, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

GOT IT! Milk cow barn, north of Everson, Washington . (It was a bitterly cold day - Christmas eve, 2008.) Am deeding this to you. It needs more barnstars, though. Get back to work! Tom Cloyd (talk) 08:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Home barn of the wild Tylas

Ha ha... you are too funny. -laughing- ~ty (talk) 15:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

thank you for all your hard work on wikipedia. your awesome.

Unitybicycle (talk) 21:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Awwwww!! You are a sweetheart! Thank you! ~ty (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Hi Tylas! Although you may not have a big number of edits, but you have been on Misplaced Pages for a long time and i feel that you can surely contribute your best here more often in many articles and other areas too! A nice editor with great potential and a good friend :). Hope to see you around more soon :) Happy Editing! TheGeneralUser (talk) 19:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank You! That is kind of you! I keep trying to edit the DID page and run into an obstacle. Maybe some day it will be more new editor friendly.~ty (talk) 03:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

You Are a Superhero!

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Awarded to Tylas for her valiant assault against the fradulant use of Misplaced Pages to silence survivors of severe child abuse through gross misrepresentation of its symptoms (i.e., Dissociative Identity Disorder). Thank you! Daniel Santos (talk) 08:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

If they had an actual "Superhero" award, I would have given you that instead! Thank you so much! Daniel Santos (talk) 08:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Awwwww! You have made my morning. Each day I wake wondering if a "silencer" will be here to attack and instead I am greeting with a friend. :) 14:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

DID

Tylas, You are welcome for the help with the DID article. I am researching the condition, looking for "conservative" treatment options. Specifically, I am looking to assess the strength of the evidence for or against any proposed therapies. Do you have any information along those lines? If so, will you please point me in the right direction? Thank you, --jcarroll (talk) 20:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Check this out if you have not already. Dissociative Identity Disorder in Adults, Third Revision". Journal of Trauma & Dissociation 188–212. DOI:10.1080/15299732.2011.537248 I am going through treatment right now for DID. It's imperative to have the correct treatment, which I have been lucky enough to receive, but I am still on Phase I. 20:29, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

The Bad Below please, so I don't have to look at it often :)

WLU gets a Content Expert Banned

Tylas, I'm sorry to see you go, though I definitely understand if that is your choice. If you feel you can, it may be worth dropping by the administrators' noticeboard one last time to register a formal "Oppose" vote. All the best. —danhash (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I will continue to monitor the admin board, of course, until this is resolved, but I realize that no one is going to be able to ever edit the DID page as long as WLU is there. I noticed your posts there and like them! You are awesome! ~ty (talk) 18:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I hope you will reconsider leaving. Maybe take a couple days off and see how that treats you? GL either way Forgotten Faces (talk) 18:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I will pop in once in a while and see if WLU or Dreamguy will even let me edit anything. In the past they dive in almost as soon as something I do is posted to delete it. It's such a waste of time when dealing with obsessive control freaks like these 2 men.

What is a Misplaced Pages Bully?

All I want to do is present what DID really is rather than the ideas of of the mis-informed.

WLU is a perfect examples of someone mis-using WP guidelines to push their agendas and sadly many on WP support this!

See below for an example of WLU's behavior. In addition in the archives, he has sworn at me, looked me up off WP and much more! WLU finally!!!! reads the research and agrees that paranoia is not a symptom of DID - a well known thing! This is just one of many examples of what I have gone through to present what DID is rather than a hopped up POV of the media.

Paranoia

On what basis are you repeatedly removing paranoia as a symptom of DID? WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 13:17, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Paranoia is not an accepted symptom of DID. People that understand DID look at the Misplaced Pages DID page and repeatedly laugh about that one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylas (talk • contribs) 14:40, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

There is a reliable source justifying the inclusion of paranoia as a symptom, therefore it is verifiable. Paranoia may not be characteristic of the form of DID you or people you know are familiar with - but that doesn't mean the source can be ignored. As before, your personal experience is not sufficient to discount a source you personally disagree with. Is there any policy or guideline-based reason you have to remove the bullet? If not, please replace it. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 14:40, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

WLU - you repeatably throw up anything you can get your hands on and call it a justifiable source - just so you can use Misplaced Pages to further your agenda and extreme POV. Just because you cite something does not make it so. I can throw up numerous references to show it is not. Where does it end - It always ends with you being such a control freak and micro-manager that you get your way.

Understand that a reference no matter the date is good until a "better" one comes along. That is how it is done in the world of science. This is why research references original material until there is a better document to reference.

T Schmidt - Online Submission, 2007 - eric.ed.gov

DOI: 10.1080/15299732.2010.495939 Colin A. Ross MDa* & Laura Ness PsyDa pages 458-468 Journal of Trauma & Dissociation Volume 11, Issue 4, 2010

The proposed diagnostic criteria for dissociative identity disorder in the DSM V. The idea is to emphasize the fragmentation of identity, memory, and consciousness but to add several features: the disruptive effect of such symptoms on consciousness and a broader definition of symptoms (including examples from non-Western cultures, such as possession; Dell, 2002; Korol, 2008; Lewis-Fernandez et al., 2002). Amnesia would continue to be a diagnostic requirement. (*At last look psuedoseizures is being added to the criteria.)

Neither of these sources seem to mention paranoia in the sections you have reproduced here. I assume they are abstracts. The second (Ross & Ness) is a primary source, and thus not acceptable. Do either of these sources say paranoia is not a sign or symptom of DID? These appear to be defending the idea that DID is a real condition that exists. I don't see the relation to the topic of paranoia. Do you have any specific sources that are explicit in saying paranoia is not a symptom? Because these sources are irrelevant.

Your accusations and personal attacks also do not justify deleting information verified with a reliable source. "I don't like you" is not a reason to delete a source, nor is "I think it is wrong". Please justify your edits with references to relevant sources, as well as the policies and guidelines. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 15:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, please discuss your edit on the new section of the talk page so other editors are aware of it and can comment. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 15:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I have already played your sick game of keeping me tied up on the talk page so that no editing is ever done to the DID page that YOU don't want there. I am not playing your game again. Show me anything credible that says that paranoia is a symptom of DID. I can't find anything anywhere that says it IS! That is my point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylas (talk • contribs)

It's not a game, it's good editing. It's not a matter of what I or you want - it's what is justified according to the policies and guidelines (which you don't appear to be familiar with or for the most part understand) and the sources.

My credible source is Ellason, Ross & Fuchs. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 16:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The abstract says nothing of the sort and it's a Ross article. Ross certainly does not believe in such quackery. Show me the rest of the article where it says this. Paranoia is a trait of Schizophrenia not DID.

You, WLU are NOT a good editor! You are a bully that pulls out every trick he can think of to get his way. It is a matter of what you want VS what IS! Quit with the Wicki-lawyering this time around. It makes me nauseous!~ty (talk) 16:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Three things:

1. It's wikilawyer, and I'm not wikilawyering, I'm citing quite mainstream core content policies that govern editing in a way well in keeping with my understanding of the community's mores. You aren't even citing policies, and you're ignoring the ones I am citing.
2. You apparently haven't read the source itself, since you are claiming only the abstract, not the body, fails to discuss paranoia. Per Misplaced Pages:MEDRS#Choosing sources, particularly if you're not sure, be sure to read the body. I'm assuming the citation is accurate, but to confirm I have requested a full-text version of the source.
3. You still miss the fact that it's not "what I want", it's "what can be verified in reliable sources. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 16:40, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

No WLU - you try and rationalize things saying it's not what you want when it IS. Yes, my point is - send me the source because the link you provided only lets me read the abstract. I have no interest in arguing with you about anything, but I will edit the DID article!~ty (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't attach a document via wikipedia e-mail, you will have to send me an e-mail and I will reply with the article when I have it.

It's tiresome to keep repeating it, but your edits will not last very long if you fail to justify them beyond "I know about DID". If you're serious about editing, then you need to learn the policies and guidelines. I would suggest starting with WP:SIMPLE. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 17:01, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The changes I made are common knowledge for anyone that knows about DID. Why should I have to defend every well known thing. But if I have to play lawyer to make simple changes to the DID page, then I will. However I do not live on Misplaced Pages, as you appear to, and will not be around for at least the weekend. I will dig you up a bunch of research as my time allows for every single change I make and I will also read every reference you have posted. Most I looked at before were Bogus, but I did not push the point - this time around I will challenge every single one of them. Have a nice weekend WLU. ~ty (talk) 17:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

If it's common knowledge, shouldn't it be easy to provide a citation? As for having to defend "every well known thing", this is actually a requirement; please seeWP:PROVEIT. If your justification for removing paranoia as a symptom was "the source does not justify the material", I would have requested the source and checked to make sure it was incorrectly summarized. However, your edit summary was "Paranoia does not belong here" suggesting that you were again removing a source and piece of information you personally disagreed with.

If you're planning on substantially revising the page, for the sake of everyone involved please read through at least the core content policies (WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:OR) as well as the guidance for medical sources (WP:MEDRS). Otherwise you're going to be creating a lot of work for a lot of people, including yourself. Again - without a common understanding of these policies, the page becomes little more than bickering until someone gets blocked. Given your failure to appreciate the policies and guidelines, it's going to be you.

Also, could you not refer to me as a pedophile as you do above? I'm asking now, but I find it sufficiently irritating I might remove it myself. Again, that's the sort of thing that can get you blocked. I'm asking politely now, rather than going to the administrator's noticeboard where the reception by the community at large would doubtless be much, much less civil. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 17:22, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I have no doubt you will take me to that board soon. You have already shown me that board is nothing more than a bunch of old time editors sticking together - no matter what is right or wrong, but I will not refer anyone as a Pedophile on WP and I will make substantial changes as my time allows. Would you like me to link to that exact change or can we just leave it as this. I know how I have to document every single thing with you. Take some of your own advise, read the rules and try and not control every single thing I do! I do not want WIkipedia to reflect what I think it right, I want it to present the facts! Not your idea of the facts.~ty (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 19:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring - This is what WLU posts each time I actually make an edit on the DID page!

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 14:17, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: I clean up this page time to time!