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Misplaced Pages does not care about you or me being qualified scholars. Misplaced Pages is not a scholarly site, but a summary of sources that speak for themselves. We all have the right to edit, but there are rules to make sure that proper sources are used for appropriate articles and editors are civil.

If I'm not responding, that's probably because It is approximately 1:40 PM where this user lives (South Carolina). and I may be asleep, job hunting, or I totally may just not care enough to bother. If it's before 8 AM or after 11 pm, you will definitely want me to respond.

New stuff goes at the bottom, people. Also, please sign your posts in talk pages with four tildes (~~~~).

Sort of back, previous messages are in the history. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Message from a long time ago

I JUST received a message about editing the Biblical Magi page, which is dated to March. My ISP may have switched my IP address with someone else's, as I have no recollection of this and the message never appeared before today. Thanks. 108.66.44.228 (talk) 19:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok... Well, the IP you're currently on was used to make this unconstructive edit March of last year. As we have no way of tracking who you are (unless you create an account), IP addresses are the only way to handle that. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

User talk:TopGun

That couldn't have been me: 1. My internet is broke and 2. I never edit the WP. Please get your facts straight before you make these wild accusations. 218.247.129.7 (talk) 01:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

That wasn't me. My little brother came over and was using my Uncle's computer! Anyways the internet has been broken all day, so nobody can get to the webpages anyhow. Don;t you know anything? 218.247.129.7 (talk) 01:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

You made me drop a dime on you

here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.247.129.7 (talk) 02:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Erased and Stalked. Thank you. Equazcion 02:02, 29 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in ...

... at Sheohar (Lok Sabha constituency). - Sitush (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem. It's on my watch list, and I'm ready to get reacquainted with WP:SPI. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:51, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

for fixing my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 16:49, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Happy fourth. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

It was not spam, have you read it before delete?

I think that I have not broken any rule. But no matter. I just tried to contribute on the tarot page with a useful link, but for some reason, does not matter. I apologize if you do not recognize my good intention. It was my first contribution to wikipedia, and the last.

Respect, please.

You're a nobody such as to qualify the work of others as "hogwash". Respect, please. 188.77.69.46 (talk) 21:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow, hypocrisy much? Ian.thomson (talk) 21:19, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

You rated my contribution of "hogwash" I've looked over the channel and found nothing but new-age hogwash

188.77.69.46 (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

So you were adding your youtube channel? That's makes it even more spam-y. And didn't you say that you were going to leave and not contribute here? Ian.thomson (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, I will not contribute more in the articles of the wikipedia, but I don't consent you disrespect me. A person in good faith, I guess you should be, would apologize for his qualification of "hogwash". You delete the link, I accept it. But I don't accept your disrespect. Now I have more important things to do. Keep giving the image of yourself that you want, but please do not mention me more, right? Otherwise, I'll have to putting in place. Ending, ok?

188.77.69.46 (talk) 21:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Your freedom to believe that stuff is not separate from my freedom to dismiss it. If I do not have the right to call it balderdash, bollocks, and rubbish, you do not have the right to believe it. Freedom of thought goes all directions. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

You are a rude and your freedom ends when you invade my right to be respected. Please shut up already, right? Really do you have not better things to do like chasing vandals?

188.77.69.46 (talk) 22:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

You are being just as rude and way more oppressive by telling me that I can not hold my own beliefs. I am not forcing you to agree with me, I am not keeping you here, and I have quit leaving messages on your page. I'm just trying to maintain this site, and you're the one harassing me! You are the one chasing people and not respecting other's rights. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:11, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

And you go, what do you not understand? You can delete the links you want, but not pejoratively describe the contribution of any person. Do you understand? I have accepted that you delete the link to information that might have been helpful to many people, but I do not consent to disqualify my work. If for you is "hogwash", so maybe other people would not have been, they would have been useful information than you have been deprived. I will not waste any more time with you. Follow replicating all you want. Have a nice day (if you have any ever). Goodbye.

188.77.69.46 (talk) 22:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I do not need consent from you or any other would-be tyrant to have my own views about your work. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:34, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your task but not your ways. I don't seek enemies, Ian.thomson. Have a good day. Blessings. (finish, please?)

188.77.69.46 (talk) 22:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The endless Goodbyes are just tomfoolery. Jasonasosa (talk) 16:25, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Schirmer Abduction - and unwarranted deletion

Despite the fact that the previous wiki article had been left with no inline citations and unaccurate information for several years I took the opportunity to research the case and provided numerous references and citations with reliable sources from first hand interviews, UFO Researchers who had sudied the case, news headlines from the time and much more. All simply deleted and reverted to the unaccurate poorly written and unreferenced default!!! Is Misplaced Pages to be no more than an inaccurate version of events with no possibility of intelligent editing? Why delete the entire changes made by myself? I sense a covert attempt to change the reality of the Schirmer Abduction as originally presented for a lesser easier dismissive version of events.Yogiadept (talk) 12:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

To recap: You say, Reliable sources typically include: articles from magazines or newspapers (particularly scholarly journals), or books by recognized authors (basically, books by respected publishers). I included these?

Online versions of these are usually accepted, provided they're held to the same standards. I met this criteria!

Articles are to be written from a neutral point of view. The article changes were neutral?

Real scholarship actually does not say what understanding of the world is "true," but only with what there is evidence for. I provided first hand, secondary and supporting evidence?

Non-mainstream material and material supporting fringe theories may not be cited as a reliable source. I didn't write of anything supporting any fringe or other theory whatsoever, merely provided evidence from the case in question?

Mainstream documentation of fringe theories may be used to discuss these ideas, and from there material supporting fringe idea may be used to further describe what the idea is about, but the non-mainstream source cannot be used as a reliable source on the veracity of it's claims. Again I met this criteria!

I bring this up because your edits to Schirmer Abduction all used unreliable sources. The following sources are almost never considered reliable.

This is simply untrue! Please specifiy what exactly didn't meet the above criteria?Yogiadept (talk) 12:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

New talk goes at the bottom of the talk page. That's a universal format for the entire site. Please pick up on that.

• Regarding sources:

Gods, Demons, and Space Chariots, and The Paranormal in your Backyard are sold next to Chariot of the Gods and other non-mainstream works that the scientific community rejects as unscholarly. Those are not reliable sources.

You used sites by UFO nuts. Those are not reliable sources, ever. Do not use Konsulting.com, Mufon, Cufon, ufomagazine,

You used Youtube, and in other places, Scribd. Those are not reliable sources, and they're often copyright violations.

• Regarding neutrality:

You gave equal weight to the idea that Schirmer might have been abducted, for which there is no physical evidence. Mainstream science does not support the idea of alien abduction. This site does not care about giving all points equal weight, but giving due weight to reliable sources, which you failed to use.

You gave undue weight to Schirmer's account, which (aside from being original research based on primary sources) would only be usable for describing what he believed happened, not what actually happened.

None of the sources I've removed count as reliable sources, and I'm totally fine if you ask other established editors about this. WP:RSN is one place to ask if sources are reliable. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I've already deleted those references which you refer to. I disagree that Konsulting.com, Mufon, Cufon, ufomagazine cannot be used as these are the main sources for well...UFO Reports and experiences....if your looking for mainstream reports of these things then you'd have a very incomplete and short wikipedia resource indeed. I take offence at you calling such honest, hardworking UFO researchers as 'UFO nuts'. Why because they do have the same opinion as you? Because they report things that you don't like or share?

Yes, i've used Youtube and Scribe....the inclusions do not infringe on copyright laws as the interviews and audio extracts are from deceased individuals and in the public. They show direct evidence from the individuals that you wouldn't find anywhere else and would be included for these reasons. Feel free to check these by the way. Show me the copyright infringements and i'll happily take them down myself!

Regarding neutrality I have not given Schirmer equal weight as an abductee??? The title of the article was Schirmer Abduction for many years was it not??? Actually I presented evidence that the said person had a head injury before which may have alluded to the phenomena...that wasn't there before. As the case IS about an abduction case it would be pretty hard not to talk about abduction!!! I presented relevant material to the article. I remained neutral throughout. I never included examples of physical evidence....in most UFO cases there simply isn't any but the reports by the witnesses themselves. IF there was physical exvidence I'd be happy to include it. I did make short reference to a piece of metal found by 'Herberts' superior as recorded by investigators and several other organisation, including the Air Force themselves!???

Regarding the weight of Schirmers account that, if you check the dating, was already there BEFORE I edited, and therefore I cannot be responsible for other people's edits!

So, i'm still waiting for a REASON for deleting the entire edits I created in the past two days, unless this was maliciousness or carelessness on your part?Yogiadept (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

As I've already explained, every source you used that I removed failed WP:RS, and were WP:FRINGE. The discussion I've started at WP:RSN#Alien_abduction_sources will further establish that the sky is blue and birds sing. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

v/r - TP 02:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Please

try to stay at 2RR. You are at 3RR at Schirmer, and it's not worth even a complaint, let alone the risk of a block. Dougweller (talk) 05:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

He's using the same edit summaries as last time, so I had no problem with confirmation, even though he's apparently on vacation and posting from Denmark instead of Poland. Thanks a big bunch! Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 19:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Here my "answer" ;)
Have a nice day! --Vituzzu (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's a shame people think the way he does. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

IP Vandalims

I have given the IP who was vandalising your page an only warning. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 14:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Pages

Hi, As stated on my user page, I plan to gradually fade away from Misplaced Pages. I am still watching some pages, but not as often as before, and the trend will be to reduce involvement. Given that you are one of the bright young editors here, If you could add a pages to your watchlist and guard against vandalism and crazy edits that will be appreciated. Most of these pages are very stable and hardly get any vandalism, but it would still be good to have someone look at them once in a while.

If you are wondering about the reason, it was this. And I will not change my mind. We will AGF and assume that no one objected due to my editing so many Christian pages. But... let us not talk about that. While I will no longer fix computing articles, most of the Christianity articles are in good shape now. I think you have seen that the existence, language and historicity issues have now been clarified in the Jesus page.

The pages that may be of interest to you are the core Jesus pages, namely:

• Key pages: Jesus, Chronology of Jesus, Ministry of Jesus, New Testament places associated with Jesus, Love of Christ, etc.

• The main biblical episodes: Nativity of Jesus, Baptism of Jesus, Transfiguration of Jesus, Crucifixion of Jesus, Resurrection of Jesus, Ascension of Jesus, as well as related pages such as Confession of Peter and Christology.

• The sayings and deeds: Miracles of Jesus, Parables of Jesus, Sayings of Jesus on the cross. There are also other pages such as Jesus' walk on water and Marriage at Cana, etc.

FYI, Google has now started to siphon-off Wiki entries. Search for this and you will see. However, although the Google Knowledge Graph has entries for millions and millions of "notable" people, guess the one person they do not have an entry for? So there are still things to do, elsewhere.

In any case, your help in watching these key pages will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 20:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll look at adding the articles that are not already on my watchlist. Sorry to hear you're leaving, best of luck. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. History2007 (talk) 20:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ian.thomson

I just received your message. I am not anyone else but myself. Today I filed a full report with a steward and on the Misplaced Pages:Reguest for Administrator Attention for review. Please take the time to read my complaint. Someone here is distroying all the legitimate businesses in Mexico and why? (User Abigail.gutierrez:Abigail.gutierrez) 1:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)