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* Add section on the differences/similarities/conflict between Intelligent Design and Creationism
Creation, new addition.
* Add references. Many references.
Currently many people favour the Big Bang model as starting point for the universe. However that is largely a mathematical concept which in physics is not really possible. P.e. originating from a point contradicts laws on electric fields and inflation, necessary to keep the model upright, is only a philosophical concept without solid proof.
* Re-visit the suggestion that "Creationism" refers to any and all theories that the universe was created ex nihilo by a deity, as opposed, more specifically, to the assertion that it was created in six twenty-four hour days, literally and as to every detail as described in Genesis 1. See ].
The fundamentalistic view of God creating the world in six days would be acceptable in wider circles if realizing that a technically beautiful expression is used: a far but mighty king speaks a word and things happen accordingly thousands of miles further on. The period of six days then announces that the work was too big for say just an hour, but God is powerful enough to do the job in a couple of days.
* Keep the article NPOV.
Now there is a new theory, presented by Vasily Yanchilin in his book The Quantum Theory of Gravitation (2003), which opens the window to another creation model. This Russian is the first to connect quantum mechanics to the Newton laws in a qualitative way. Before only an answer was given to the question how those laws operate, but he worked out the why.
Yet the answer is still a hypothesis, namely that the potential of the total mass of the universe determines. Already in the 19th century this was presumed vaguely by the Austrian Mach, but Yanchilin from scientific data defines quantitatively and especially connects the propagation speed of electromagnetic waves to that potential. Because the universe is expanding this potential decreases and the same for the speed of light until at the hypothetical border of the universe it becomes zero, which in practice means that there exist a situation in which everything decomposes and looses values of speed, place and direction like in a gigantic Heisenberg uncertitude.
What remains has no name yet, but could be called iets in a tei situation. Every iet moves discontinually innumerous times within the tei like Yanchilin tells about the electron moving discontinuously and innumerous times within its cloud of Heisenberg dimensions. Gradually that cloud becomes larger, but when interaction occurs with a foton the cloud shrinks suddenly. This is described in the book as transition from more quantum to more classical state; the latter corresponding with the world as we observe it. Gravitation then results from the difference in transitions closer and more distant to a certain mass. The expanding universe tends to an evolution in complete quantum state.
Yanchilin does not speak about creation, but we may think of a situation before creation as everything in complete quantum state, a tei environment. Then an Initiative from Outside came and the tei shrinked in one or more places to our universe in its youngest moment. Of course it is godly work what happened and we can understand only after learning the terms of godly language. Otherwise we won't have access, like already the biblical Job said by expressing that wisdom houses in the fourth dimension.
How potential does make itself feel is not exactly known. How light transports energy without moving mass, which it lacks, should be explained. In both cases the iets might play a role; transporting light by little pushes like when domino stones fall. But the iet does not yet belong to physics, it belongs in the purely speculative domain. Still we may talk about it to broaden our vision.
Yanchilin rejects the general theory of relativity, but argues that the special one is valid if only interpreted as the speed of light being independent of the motion of the observer. That is possible because it depends on the potential of the total mass of the universe, which is independent of the speeds of observers. Einstein's main contribution, the general theory of relativity fails because time is seen in the same way as length. If the unit of distance is taken smaller there will be needed more units to bridge a certain distance. But if a physical process goes faster and the duration of the unit of time is lessened then the total time of the process does not increase. This radical difference is not noticed by many scientist, which according Yanchilin are too busy with strings, black holes and inflation, all in phantasy land.
The new creation model allows both religious people and atheists for kind of participation in thinking on that terrain, if only the latter do not make the mistake of figuring the deus ex machina like an image of man.
Prepared by jitso keizer on april 21 MMVI.

Revision as of 23:21, 25 April 2006

  • Add section on the differences/similarities/conflict between Intelligent Design and Creationism
  • Add references. Many references.
  • Re-visit the suggestion that "Creationism" refers to any and all theories that the universe was created ex nihilo by a deity, as opposed, more specifically, to the assertion that it was created in six twenty-four hour days, literally and as to every detail as described in Genesis 1. See Creation according to Genesis.
  • Keep the article NPOV.