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Picture revised

I have since reloaded an image under copyright discussion. I have now correctly noted that it is copyrighted and not open for 'free use' I hope you respect this change I have made. I apologize for the misuse of the image uploading.

The building picture I submitted will not be used after all

I already removed it from the KCPT page, realizing that taking a photo of the building myself would be better than using someone else's photos whether it is considered fair use or not. Plus, that photo was of the backside of the building and not the front (a view of the front would be better). Therefore, feel free to remove that photo from this site. It will not be used. --CastleBuff

Article for Barry Klarberg

I reviewed your message. Thank you for your comments. I want to inform and ensure to you that this Misplaced Pages entry was not created by Barry Klarberg. We share the same last name. With regards to the headshot image used, I have reached out to my friend who took the photograph and will receive an email from him confirming the permission to use the image. This email with the author's explicit permission will be forwarded to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. Rklarberg (talk)User talk:rklarberg

Ashish Kapoor Image

Historiographer

I like to make clear that I do not support, nor even accept overlooking of racial slurs on Misplaced Pages. They may be used elsewhere, but I support the community sense that they have no place here. If I appeared to be supporting Historiographer, it is simply that I thought there was a plausible case that the words might have been misunderstood. I now know that you are well-acquainted with the history (which was not presented in the original ANI thread, so I defer to your more detailed understanding of the background. I still support the concept of escalating blocks, and think a 3month block following a 72 hour block is a jump too far. I haven't had the "pleasure" of dealing with any of the Korean-Japanese spats, so my view may not be the same as if I had that experience.

Zeibekiko

Noor119848/Noormohammed satya

On 9 July 2011 you issued a final warning for copyright problems to User:Noormohammed satya. Probably as a result, the user abandoned that account, and started editing as User:Noor119848 instead. (This is evidenced by the two accounts' contribution history, but more explicitly by the identical content (including the user's name and birthdate) on the two user pages.) You recently issued a similar warning to that account, perhaps without realizing that it was the same contributor. If you check the new account's user talk page history (which has been blanked several times), you'll see that the user has persisted, right up to the present day, in uploading non-free images with missing or incomplete copyright information or fair use rationales, and also related problematic behaviour such as adding unreferenced biographical content, posting a number of copyvio articles, removing speedy deletion templates, and removing copyvio templates. He doesn't appear to have ever responded to the scores of warnings posted on his talk pages, except to periodically remove them.

As you're the administrator who already issued this user a final warning I thought I'd bring it to your attention first before posting to WP:CCI or WP:ANI. Please let me know if you'd like to continue to deal with the issue. —Psychonaut (talk) 11:07, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, what a mess. Yes, I evidently overlooked that identity with the earlier account. Thanks for figuring it all out. I've indeffed him; it doesn't look like there's much of a chance for him to become constructive any time soon. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:38, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

He appears to have resumed editing with anonymous IPs almost immediately after your block. I've opened an SPI case at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Noormohammed satya so that others can start tracking and blocking the socks as well. —Psychonaut (talk) 12:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

On further investigation, these are probably all socks of long-term vandal User:Thomas.young234. —Psychonaut (talk) 10:41, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

If you've the time and inclination, please consider blocking the latest sockpuppet account, Noorsatya (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), which is very active and removing deletion and copyvio templates from the puppetmasters' articles. —Psychonaut (talk) 13:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Achaemenid empire and the Indian subcontinent

Hello there. I have created an account and explained my revision at Talk:History_of_Pakistan#Bogus_and_factually_incorrect_Achaemenid_section over a week ago which has gone unanswered. If you have time, please take a look over my points and glance over the references i have provided for my re-write. I will revert the section back to my version if my points remain unanswered by those who had disputed my revision. Thanks! اردیبهشت (talk) 13:45, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

So...

Do you think I'm harassing andreasegde? Here's the discussion, blanked by andreasegde, and somewhat continued on my talk page. szyslak (t) 21:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:VPP#Images of fictional characters and/or shows in Getty Images

Since you know more about Getty Images and image copyrights, you might, as well, join in by clicking above. --George Ho (talk) 19:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Ongoing tag-team edit warring on Dhimmitude

Since you warned Estlandia, Frotz and Shrike at 3RR over this behavior, you might want to be aware of the fact that they're still at it: . VolunteerMarek 11:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Non-free images

My understanding is that if any free images are available we aren't to use non-free images just for the purposes of embellishment (especially infobox), but I seem to be reverted all too often on that, can you check Shammi Kapoor and Rajesh Khanna? We have quite a few free images at Commons and more at the source from where these were taken. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello! I added Kapoor's image back because his major career has been in his young age; atleast the one that he is recognized for. The infobox image should be thus suitable. Shouldn't it? I haven't done that yet on Khanna as his appearance isn't that drastically different. Was in fact waiting for SpacemanSpiff's comment on my talk page. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 11:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see that before (your tp seems to be high traffic today), I normally stay away from NFCC unless it's obvious cases (like it appeared to me in these two), but as in both articles, at least two of the people who reverted are long-standing editors, I'd brought it to FPaS' attention. Eitherways, I don't know what's going on with DASHbot, it keeps reverting the unused DI tag for Shammi Kapoor even when at that point in time the image wasn't in use. cheers —SpacemanSpiff 13:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem! But then what is your opinion on this? This case would happen with almost all actors of 60s-70s who have drastically changed. Article on Sadhana Shivdasani uses a non-free image File:Sadhana in film, Ek Musafir Ek Hasina (1962).jpg although she is alive and hence free image of her can be found. Unavailability on Wiki is not a reason for using non-free image. The reason is that she has changed. See her latest image. Similar is the case with Shashi Kapoor. The current young-age image used will be deleted soon. Its probably a copyvio. Have asked Sreejithk2000 to look into this. After it's deletion we are left with his current images which are very different. What should be done then? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 13:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Now should we have Shashi Kapoor's young age non-free image or not? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 06:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't host also have any opinion on this? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

disruptive behavior

please note the extremely disruptive and destructive behavior of user shrike on the edit warring-noticeboard , and on the dhimmitude-page . he is blatantly trying to game the system by making disruptive edits so that he is reverted. he is making false accusations against me on the edit warring-noticeboard by listing up unrelated diffs. he become disruptive when he failed to get me banned, and when it became clear that he has been misrepresenting the sources.-- altetendekrabbe  10:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

IP warring

Purely because you are around, do you mind taking a quick look at the contributions of User:‎188.28.13.194? Obvious block for 3RR/warring required. - Sitush (talk) 11:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• Just for the record, that IP is blocked for 24 hours already. - Penwhale | 11:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, I just noticed JamesBWatson slip in there to do the necessary. Sorry to bother you. - Sitush (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Euzen 2.0

Since the last time I left you a message Euzen's edits have been less than constructive. I even tried for the n-th time to explain BRD/OR/SYNTH/RS, but the responses have to do with the usual claims about the Albanian national mythology, users trying to hide the truth etc. The amount of misinterpretaion of the sources (outdated or not) is just mind-boggling. Would you try to explain to him again what he's supposed to do? --— ZjarriRrethues —  11:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Apparently the discussion has devolved into conspiracy theories about the motivations of Anglo-Saxon authors (which apparently only Euzen is aware of).--— ZjarriRrethues —  09:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

My topic ban

My editing since my topic ban is here it has been indicated on my talk page that some of my editing may be violation of my topic ban. I would like to have your opinion about my editing in general and about creating a page about a book released last year Solstice at Panipat. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Thessaloniki Ottoman& Byzantine monuments

Just a heads up that a particularly silly nationalist POV dispute over in the Greek WP has spilled over here. Given the main culprit's propensity to create sockpuppets, and his creation of this template, I am almost certain that this guy and this guy are the same. Same edits, same mentality. Constantine ✍ 21:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

user shrike

i am trying to stay away from shrike... but see how is after me like a hound, . he should also try to de-escalate rather than follow me around. i am pretty sure he will begin an edit war pretty soon (that is his modus operandi). the last time he edited there was like weeks ago... suddenly he began editing again..today... on my post. that's not a coincidence. anyway, i'm not going to be part of that discussion anymore. could you please ask him to stop stalking me?-- altetendekrabbe  18:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Careful: you have no immunity from him, or others, on public noticeboards. If he uses your contribution list the same way I use those of many others, it's only natural he might see your posting there, and if it's related to a topic of interest to him, he has every right to comment. In this case, he made a matter-of-fact comment, and it was you who personalized the thing with accusations against him.

Incidentally, my personal opinion happens to be that you are probably also wrong about the question you raised. For a source to be reliable is not the same as for it to have no editorial bias. The Middle East Quarterly can be a serious academic, peer-reviewed publication, and as such meet our reliability criteria with flying colours, while still having a pronounced political bias. That's no contradiction, because academics out there have no ethical obligation to be "neutral" as we do here on WP. In fact, there is no such thing as a "neutral" source at all. Especially when it comes to topics like history and political science, we should always assume, about any source at all, that it may have some authorial slant, no matter how serious and academic it is. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

i find it funny that he responds to my post only... today after not being active there a while. if you investigate his previous edits you'll see the pattern. if he continues with this behavior i'll take it to rfc/u. anyway, i'm not going to participate on that post anymore.-- altetendekrabbe  18:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Ahmadinejad

You wrote:

In a speech delivered the following night, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking about Iran's conflicts with foreign "enemies", mentioned "heavier blows" that would be dealt by Iran against its oppressors. These words were interpreted by some Israeli media as a veiled reference to the Burgas attack and a "gloating" hint at Iranian involvement in it.

Unfortunately, this edit makes numerous mistakes. I would appreciate if you correct it.

• "heavier blows that would be dealt by Iran" - please identify where he said this. If we look at the sources, for example this state ownedIranian one, he said "“The enemy deals a blow to the Iranian nations step by step; but, in return, it receives a stronger, heavier blow,” President Ahmadinejad said." Please don't try to distort sources or quotes.
• "oppressors" - violates WP:NPOV by assuming it's oppressed. The proper thing would be to write "enemies" in quotes, since that's what he said.
• "veiled reference" - please identify where you got the word "veiled" from.
• "speaking about Iran's conflicts with foreign enemies" - please identify where you got this from, or remove it.
• Removes valuable and important quotes to conform to a POV.

Please self-revert or edit appropriately. --Activism1234 21:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I believe my wording is within the bounds of responsible paraphrasing and, as such, true to the source, albeit less literally than the direct quotations. If you have quibbles with details of wording, feel free to tweak. However, what is non-negotiable is that we must not present his statements as if they were undoubtedly related to the Burgas attacks, as the previous version did. The previous version claimed that he "described the attacks" as an Iranian act. This is quite patently false, as he didn't in fact mention the attacks at all. Do not reinsert any wording of that kind.

I am giving you notice that I regard this as a WP:BLP issue: claiming that a living politician took responsibility for a terrorist act, as the previous version did, is a very serious matter, and falls under the rule that "exceptional claims demand exceptional evidence". As such, I reserve the right to use administrative means to prevent such claims from being reinserted in the article. Other than that I am totally open about the wording though. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I will change the wording. I wanted to make sure it was fine with you so I am not sued for WP:1RR. The wording has been reinserted and reverted at different times by various editors. I simply noticed that it was your revert and edit so I brought it up with you. On the side, can you please identify with a diff where the previous edit said that it was an Iranian act? --Activism1234 21:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Obviously, the version immediately before my edit was saying that he described the attack as a "response" to Israeli "blows against Iran". Nothing unclear about that being a claim of "we did it" (if he had said it this way, which he didn't). By the way, I suggest you propose further rewordings on talk first, to take the heat out of the reverting. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's clear though why that statement was made, as that was how an RS outlet reported it. The conflict some people are having is they are looking at the Iranian outlet as the true one, and ignoring anything an Israeli outlet said. What the Iranian outlet said is definitely true, but what the Israeli outlet quotes are further statements he made that were televised. At either rate, I don't want to get into this whole silly argument and edit warring over this now, maybe we can come back to it in a month or so... It's distracting from main point of article. --Activism1234 22:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Nasrallah

I appreciate your help with the Ahmadinejad quote.

I wanted to point out something else on the article, which seems like blatant vandalism, but to get your opinion on it.

Under Lebanon's reaction, it says "In a speech given to his supporters to mark the sixth anniversary of the Second Lebanon War, Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah did not mention the attack."

It seems like vandalism. Who cares if he didn't mention the attack? Perhaps the United States Minister of Agriculture didn't mention the attack either, does that belong under the U.S. reaction??

The original line was "In a speech given to his supporters to mark the sixth anniversary of the Second Lebanon War, Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah did not take responsibility for the attack, but said that Hezbollah is "chasing Israelis day and night" and promised a "big surprise" for Israel."

Thus, to me it appeared to be vandalism, by removing one part of the sentence to create an unnecessary sentence, or maybe take a jab at an editor. I feel that the original sentence is perfectly fine and maintains NPOV.

What are your thoughts on this? --Activism1234 22:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks like a similar problem. Both Ahmadinejad and Nasrallah are presumably people who use this kind of rhetoric about "enemies" and how much trouble they cause them more or less every day. So if they are now saying today pretty much the same thing they would have said a week ago or a year ago or next month, why are we bringing it up here in the context of this article at all? I guess the edit you are referring to is a rather clumsy attempt at fixing this, but the problem the 109.* IP saw seems pretty much the same issue I saw with the Ahmadinejad passage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

It's true they do say it often. The reason I believe it was brought up here is because it was said in a speech right after the attack, so it did have relevance, since it was a reaction. "Oh we didn't do it, but how do we react to this attack? Well..." However, unlike the Ahmadinejad one, it specifically mentioned that Nasrallah and Hezbollah did not take responsibility, both during the speech and before the speech. Otherwise, the sentence should be completely removed, but I sincerely feel the previous edit was fine. --Activism1234 22:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Please note - I've been working on this article shortly after it's inception, and have been very dedicated to it. You can tell that just by going to the page's history or my user contributions. I've constantly updated it with more info, added more countrie's reactions, etc. Thus, when I see possible vandalism or distortion like the above, in which part of a setnence is removed to just create an unnecessary sentence, I do everything I can to clear and fix it up and make the page better, which I believe is done best with working with cooperative editors. Thanks.--Activism1234 23:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Penyulap is disrupting the poll at Sgt Pepper

Now User talk:Penyulap is disrupting the straw poll at Sgt Pepper. What should I do, can you help with this please? ~ GabeMc 01:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

There is now more disruption occuring there. Please take a look. ~ GabeMc 23:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Midan photo

I have replied as you instructed. And I'm telling you the same thing I said on the image's page. With the exception of the government news videos that were broadcast for propaganda purposes there were no other video footage or photos that clearly depicted the Midan street fighting in Damascus of the last few days which was highly notable and constant in the international media. EkoGraf (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Kallmann syndrome

Hello, I was just wondering why my two diagrams were removed from the Kallmann syndrome page. The diagrams are a representation of text above and below the diagrams. The diagrams were created for me by a medical illustrator over 15 years ago for a booklet I helped to write and I own the copyright to them. Did I label them incorrectly ? It was the first time I have tried to upload that sort of image but I thought I did it correctly as they are my own images. Please could you advise me on what I should have done. Thank you. Neilsmith38 (talk) 07:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for asking. I didn't actually understand from the description that these were your own work. If you own the copyrights to these, and you wish to see them used here, what you could do is to release them under a free license, by placing a license tag such as {{cc-by-sa-2.0}} on them. That contribution would indeed be greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, as long as they were described as "non-free", we'd have no way of keeping them, no matter if they are yours or somebody else's, because they fall under our replaceability rule for non-free works. (Incidentally, they were indeed also labelled incorrectly, because the graphics as such are not really the "topic of the article" – they are not the object of discussion, but merely an illustration to support the discussion of the article topic).

Please let me know if you would like to release the images under a free license; I'll then restore them so you can add the necessary tag to them. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

1. "Enemy suffering heavy blow from Iranian nation: Ahmadinejad". PressTV. 19 July 2012. Retrieved 19 July 2012.