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Sockpuppet allegations

For those who have been following the debate, the findings of the investigation at Misplaced Pages:Requests for CheckUser are as follows:

* Licinius (talk • contribs), The man from OZ (talk • contribs), and J is Me (talk • contribs)
appear likely to be the same person.

* There is inconclusive evidence that Jimididit (talk • contribs)
and NSWelshman (talk • contribs) may be related.

* There is no evidence to suggest that these two groups of users are the same person.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 14:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I will let that speak for itself. Grant65 | Talk 15:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for presenting the facts as they are as opposed to interpreting that information for everyone as someone else already has today. I've asked The Uninvited what inconclusive evidence he has to suggest I have any relationship to jimididit. If he comes back with anything I will also present that, as is and without interpretation. NSWelshman 16:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I am jimididit NSWelshman 14:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

oh oh

I think we have some fresh sockpuppetry to contend with... ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 11:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The number of english language Fifa affiliates using football

Ok, I don't really want to get into this too much, but basically when I was reading that section it hit me that the Marshall Islands is not a FIFA affiliate (a quick check confirmed this). Anyway another user alerted me to the original discussion where this info came from (here), and so another quick check (against here) showed that Kiribati and Micronesia also aren't, so that's why I've changed it to 45. Also mentioned that the Samoan Federation has a stupid official name which uses both (Samoa Football (Soccer) Federation) - though I didn't actually use the word stupid for WP:NPOV purposes. Hope this isn't contentious. Cursive 00:36, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Touch rugby

To avert an edit war, the recent edits are incorrect. See the long and messy discussion at Talk:Touch football (rugby league). Basically the code that people in Europe usually mean when they refer to "touch rugby" is the code that Australians call "Touch" or "touch football". Unlike Australians, Europeans generally refer to both union and league simply as "rugby". There are different versions of touch rugby and the Australian-invented Touch is the most popular form worldwide. Grant65 | Talk 13:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Addition of "Universal Rules"

I add this in process of Misplaced Pages. I have added the code that was an attempt to unite Australia's two forms of football, Rugby League and Australian Rules. It seems incredible but there is a link to respected Rugby historian Sean Fagan's homepage who researched it. I who have sinned 13:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Oldest football club

Under "Other developments in the 1850s", we have the claim that Dublin University Football Club is the oldest club, being founded in 1854. However, under "The establishment of modern codes of football", we see the claim that Guy's Hospital Football Club was founded in London in 1843. It would appear that the latter can claim to be the oldest club - unless some knows different? Markb 13:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

According to most rugby books Guy's is the oldest. However the rugby union article states that Dublin University is the oldest documented club i.e. Guy's say they were founded in 1843 but there aren't very many documents that prove this, nor is it clear that Guy's were always in existance. They might have started up, folded and got going again.GordyB 14:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

See Oldest football club: it would be correct to say that Guy's was the first documented and Dublin Uni is the oldest documented club. Grant65 | Talk 03:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Master rules

Added Masters Australian Football rules to Irish and Australian varieties of football as it has sufficient points of difference, and is widely enough spread to qualify as its own variety. Differences include, but are not limited to; no shirtfronts, no slinging in tackles, no `riding` from behind in marking contests, marked jumpers for older players designating `no tackling`, etc. --Jars 16:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Derivation of the word football

"...there is a rival explanation, which has it that football originally referred to a variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot."

Can someone please provide a valid reference for this? The one provided doesn't work. To me that explanation sounds like a rugby or American football fan trying to justify their use of the term football, not a valid history of the word. Otherwise why don't lacrosse, hockey and numerous other ball games played on foot include the word football?Bombot 12:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

They use hands in soccer don't they. The first rules of soccer had marks and all forms of football have had different degrees of handling. As for Rugby, every play starts with a foot to the ball. 11:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the reference. Accepting that explanation, the sport which became the various versions of football would have been called football before lacrosse, hockey, etc existed as distinct sports, by which time the name was used in a more specific manner. JPD (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Victorian Rules

Most of the teams are Victorians and the players are either Victorian, South Australian or Western Australian. 10 of the 16 teams in the competition are Victorian. There are only two teams in NSW and QLD whose players re all Victorians(to such an extent that the remnant is negligible). QLD and NSW is half the nation. The GF is always played in Victoria. Everything about the game almost is Victorian. In fact often more people go to the games in Sydney(which have an entertaining circus atmosphere) than watch it on t.v. in Sydney. Everything about the code is Victorian as opposed to being Australian. Mr nice guy 12:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Noooo, it's baaaaack! And still making basic factual errors too tedious to mention. Grant65 | Talk 13:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• The article is talking about the game Aussie Rules (as well as various derivatives and Marn Grook). You seem to be talking about it's top level competition, the AFL.
• Being Victorian has not ever been opposed to being Australian, whatever we might think of our southern neighbours.
• Saying that it is an Australian variety of football does not imply that it is played/watched by the whole nation.
• It is the dominant code of football in many places that are not Victoria.
• Calling it a "Victorian variety" is confusing to an international audience.
• Overall, I have some sympathy for the idea that "Irish and Australian varieties" is (too) vague, but replacing Australian with Victorian makes the heading worse, not better.
• (Also, your comments about carnival atmosphere and Victorian players seem stuck in the 80s. Only 16 of the 38 players on the Swans' list are Victorian!) JPD (talk) 13:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone wake me up, this can't be happening... ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 13:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

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