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:Thanks for looking at that James. I know how much stuff there is to thrawl through with cases like this. And thanks for the link to the interaction tool--] <sup>]</sup> 11:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC) :Thanks for looking at that James. I know how much stuff there is to thrawl through with cases like this. And thanks for the link to the interaction tool--] <sup>]</sup> 11:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

== Troubles AE ==

Hi there. I noted your comments on the 1RR complaint brought against me by ]. He has now raised yet another Troubles-related 1RR, albeit on an article about islamist terrorism in London, and I think that with your existing knowledge of the situation you would be a valuable contributor to this case. Thanks. --FergusM1970<sup>Misplaced Pages policies and procedures should be interpreted with common sense to achieve the purpose of the policy, or help dispute resolution.</sup> 04:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Editor retention

Love your comment concerning civility; "less again from the "teh adminz on whatisitpedia are alz evilz" crowd) for rigorous & equally enforcement of WP:5." We really need to do something about Admin retention also. Sure, there are some bad ones, but we are losing good ones faster than bad ones. I just heard from one who has become almost inactive because the pov pushers are winning (and he edits in an area where he is now the only Admin). Admins play a vital role in actually helping retain editors (or when they aren't active enough, in letting events occur that lose us editors). Dougweller (talk) 18:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Agree absolutely Doug. There's a really pointless meme on WP that we're all evil and delete stuff because we're biased. And yeah there some not very good sysops, and then occasionally we all screw up (I have) but there are ppl who've put years of work into helping this site who are getting abused directly and indirectly and that has to stop--Cailil 18:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't think I have time tonight, but I think we should make this a goal - maybe even talk about editor/Admin retention as "editor retention" doesn't suggest we need to retain Admins. Worth starting a separate section at the talk page? Dougweller (talk) 18:39, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah that's my feeling too - yeah lets open a discussion of it :) --Cailil 18:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Done. Dougweller (talk) 11:10, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi

CLOSED User blocked for 1 week for filing a bad faith complaint at WP:AE, and indefintely topic banned by consensus of 4 sysops also at WP:AE--Cailil 16:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Kindly return to the page where you just commented about me and respond. Your attitude is very cavalier and I feel as though you're not doing your very meaningful and important job as an administrator to the best of your ability. You seem to be acting rather on a whim and not giving me the time you should as an administrator by actually reading my posts. - Ottomanist (talk) 01:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

This is best exemplified by your claim that I brought diffs from 2007. Please, I urge you again to not take your administrative privileges for granted, but that you respect the authority that has been handed down to you and do your job properly. - Ottomanist (talk) 02:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ban-evading sockpuppet

Thanks for your message about User:Brechbill123. I spent a very long time looking at the relevant editing histories, and concluded that you were certainly right in your suspicion that it was User:Anacapa evading the ban. The combined degree of similarity in (1) areas of interest, (2) POV, (3) attitude to other editors, (4) general editing style, (5) use of English made it clear beyond all reasonable doubt, as the lawyers say. Some of the evidence was immediately obvious, but most of it took a significant amount of searching to find, and it looks to me as though the user has mastered various techniques for preventing the sockpuppetry from being obvious. The overlap in editing of the same pages was small, but the overlap in similar editing of different articles on related topics was considerable. For some reason the Stalker result that you linked to missed the fact that both accounts edited Feminism and Talk:Feminism. I don't know if you are acquainted with this tool, but I find it more useful than stalker. It gives more information than stalker does, and on this occasion it also picked up the two pages that stalker missed, as you can see here. The edits to those two pages did not, in my opinion, make a very significant contribution to the evidence in the case, but I thought it worth mentioning to you for future reference. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at that James. I know how much stuff there is to thrawl through with cases like this. And thanks for the link to the interaction tool--Cailil 11:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Troubles AE

Hi there. I noted your comments on the 1RR complaint brought against me by User:One_Night_In_Hackney. He has now raised yet another Troubles-related 1RR, albeit on an article about islamist terrorism in London, and I think that with your existing knowledge of the situation you would be a valuable contributor to this case. Thanks. --FergusM1970 04:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)