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::: If what you're looking for is consensus that would be strong enough to justify imposing something on a large group of articles without consulting with local editors first in each case, it would minimally require a formal, centralized RfC procedure, well enough advertised in such a way that editors in all topic areas likely to be affected by the outcome had a chance to be aware of it and participate. Why are you asking ''me'' to point to such a consensus procedure? It was you who claimed there was a consensus, so it's your responsibility to produce one. ] ] 13:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC) | ::: If what you're looking for is consensus that would be strong enough to justify imposing something on a large group of articles without consulting with local editors first in each case, it would minimally require a formal, centralized RfC procedure, well enough advertised in such a way that editors in all topic areas likely to be affected by the outcome had a chance to be aware of it and participate. Why are you asking ''me'' to point to such a consensus procedure? It was you who claimed there was a consensus, so it's your responsibility to produce one. ] ] 13:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::If you ask me, that is just a useless bureaucracy that stops us from making a good wiki. Anyway, i will give you consensus you need. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]<sup>]</sup></span> 14:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC) |
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geezerlaw
I received a notification that this photo *File:Kristina Vaculik & Elena Davydova.jpg was going to be deleted. It is a personal photo given to me by the mother of the subject to put on web re daughter. Can you unrestrict? I have asked her to send in a consent but she is away and not sure if I have given her the correct instrucitons.
ankhmorpork again
user ankhmorpork is edit warring on dhimmi-page again. he is also gaming my 1-rr restriction.
RE:Karen Kondazian
Hi, Can her head shot be used? Also, Is there any way to put the picture up or do they all have to be free use. Since Karen does own the pictures...I could ask if she wants to do this.
I'm all set. I resubmitted the picture as free use.
Battle of Aleppo (2012) Page
Hey can you remove the line that says "Iran's PressTV reported that 150 rebels were killed in Salaheddin in the attack of a school where they were hiding" from the Battle of Aleppo (2012) page? Iranian press tv is not a reliable source, and considering this is a current event page (one that is supposed to get updated every few hours), it could be pretty damaging. Sopher99 (talk) 13:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
- The press tv article even starts out by saying "Syrian troops have stormed armed groups’ command center in the northern city of Aleppo, killing at least 150 terrorists fighting against the government." It is already break NPOV by calling the Free Syrian Army terrorists, something no other media does other than the Syrian government's state media, and Hezbollah's al manar media. Sopher99 (talk) 13:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I saw that you protected the page Battle of Aleppo for a full two weeks from people editing. I think this is a bit extreme due to the battle being ongoing and the article would be than highly out-of-date and misleading for readers if it is not updated for 14 days. I approve of the warring editors being blocked but I think the article itself should not be blocked for such a long period of time given it is an ongoing event at the moment. EkoGraf (talk) 13:28, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
- Well, it's not meant to block article development entirely. Additions and corrections can still be made through edit requests on the talk page. It's just that some basic level of consensus and reasonable sourcing will have to be demonstrated for each change before it will be made. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
- Can you just undo it in general? We will just report 3rv breakers, thats all. This is a current event page, shouldn't be blocked. Just make it Autoconfirmed-requred protection Sopher99 (talk) 15:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
I think you will be flooded with edit request due to this being a notable current event battle that is rapidly changing. And I agree with Sopher, Autoconfirmed-required protection only. In case you are not going to downgrade the protection here are my requests than:
1. Change FSA general claims to be in control of 70% of Aleppo in infobox and replace with FSA claims to be in control of 50% of Aleppo with this source . The source I provided is a new and more up-to-date one.
2. Change Syrian Liberation Army takes control of other districts as well and Kurdish YPG takes control of two northern districts and replace both with one sentence SLA and Kurdish YPG claim control of several other districts and keep the two sources
3. Change Zaino Berri (Shabiha leader and tribal head) and replace with Zaino Berri (Shabiha tribal leader) and remove the ireportcnn source, the al jazeera source is enough I think.
4. Change 32-45 AFVs destroyed and replace with 12-15 AFVs destroyed All rebel sources in the article have made a cumulative claim of 12-15 tanks and other armored vehicles destroyed, which I put earlier, obviously somebody made an unsourced change before the article was protected.
5. Change 4-7 captured and replace with 14 captured based on this source , which I would ask that you add please.
That's about it, my request is mostly for improving the style look of the information in the infobox so it looks better when read and the two requests for the update of claimed FSA control of the city (the other source is more than a day old and made by a FSA commander who is in Turkey and not even in Aleppo itself) and the update of number of captured armored vehicles. Thank you in advance. EkoGraf (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Battle of Aleppo 2012
Hi!, why don't you add the Al Qaeda flag? they have a black scary flag I think. Nienk (talk) 14:39, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
- Alqaeda does not have a flag. You are thinking about this http://en.wikipedia.org/Shahada . Sopher99 (talk) 14:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
But in the article of the Syrian civil war, Al Qaeda does have a flag. Look at it. Nienk (talk) 14:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Battle of Aleppo - Hezbollah as combatant
"The source for involvement of Hezbollah in the Battle of Aleppo doesn't say at all they are involved or fighting. I don't want to start a new edit warring, I'll rather try to explain the problem here. The source in its title says that Hezbollah was "sent", but later in the text it is states that Hezbollah "could be used in the Battle of Aleppo", now some users must know a difference between words "could be" and "is". --Wustenfuchs
- We can put "Alleged" --Sopher99
- No, we can't as it is not alleged. It is only stated that they might be used, which means they aren't still used, if they are even in Syria. And alleged informations aren't good thing in Misplaced Pages. If we would add alleged infos, then you can freely add that Elvis is allegedly still alive in article about him. Besides, no other newspaper mentions such thing as Hezbollah in Aleppo. --Wustenfuchs"
This is part of the Talk:Battle of Aleppo (2012).
The Hezbollah needs to be removed from the list of combatants, as there is no source its involved in the battle. --Wustenfuchs 22:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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Podiatry Pictures
if you keep deleting them maybe you should be responsible for finding new ones
- No, I'm sorry, that's not how it works. We have very clear rules (see WP:NFC) saying that if a non-free image could be replaced, then it simply must not be kept, no matter if somebody actually manages to replace it or not. Just because I'm enforcing this rule doesn't mean I'm suddenly obliged to go hunting for images on somebody else's behalf. That's beyond my power. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
File permission problem with File:MJ in Bucharest92.jpg
Hello!
You can delete all the picture files I have uploaded on Dangerous Tour and History Tour pages. I tried to get a straight permission for using these files in Misplaced Pages, but failed to get it.
Therefore I please you to delete the files. I understand the importance of copyright laws and promise that I won`t upload any more files without correct permissions.
Thank you. Lassoboy (talk) 19:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Mi 8 pic
You marked File:UNAMSIL Indian Mil Mi-8.jpg as unverifiable copyright, how to verify it? Sorry about the doubts, I'm new to photos, and don't know much about how to find out it's copyright. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 22:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Request for mediation rejected
The request for formal mediation concerning Bulgaria, to which you were listed as a party, has been declined. To read an explanation by the Mediation Committee for the rejection of this request, see the mediation request page, which will be deleted by an administrator after a reasonable time. Please direct questions relating to this request to the Chairman of the Committee, or to the mailing list. For more information on forms of dispute resolution, other than formal mediation, that are available, see Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution.
For the Mediation Committee, Lord Roem (talk) 03:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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Just further confirmation...
...that Neogeolegend likes to troll. He's been permanently banned on Persian Misplaced Pages for disruptive editing (see SUL/Accounts). Looks like he was changing the name of the Persian Gulf to "Arabian Gulf". Absolutely typical POV-warrior stuff. Your block was a good one. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 19:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Troy
Hi Future Perfect, if you have any info on the topic, could you offer it at Talk:Troy#Ilion vs Ilios. All my books are packed up and I have a sneaking suspicion that I disagree with modern scholarship and have reverted an edit that was simply common knowledge because of something that just became right in my head over the years. .: 22:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, I feel sort of flattered about being asked for advice, but I'm afraid I probably know quite a bit less about this sort of stuff than you do. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, I don't think anyone today would assign a dialect and comments like the one you provided are as far as any reasonable Hellenist should go. I suspect that the common statement that "X is the Homeric form" has been taken to be more universally significant than it is. But still, I might be a bit too pedantic on the dialect point. I'll toss together a footnote built on your link as a compromise—I just feel like a jerk disagreeing with a well-meaning IP when I don't have anything to offer as rebuttal. Thanks for looking at that. .: 01:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Afd for Kalervo Kurkiala
Please see my request here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kalervo Kurkiala. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Protection requested
Would you please semi-protect Macbeth? I'm getting ready to do some work there and it draws a lot of vandalism. (In fact I don't know why all the Shakespeare pages aren't semi-protected by default; they're natural targets for middle-school vandals.) Tom Reedy (talk) 02:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks much. Tom Reedy (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
ARTICLE AMINUR RAHMAN,KHOSRU
Dear Sir, The article was deleted by you on 6th Augst,2012 16.08 Hours with the grounds that the article is poorly sourced and a Baiographic vanity. The person was a youngest commander of Mongla operation of 15th August 1971. As per wiki sources regulation of Military persons biography,he comes under clause five, where it is clearly said that if a person has commanded a certain war,whoes biography could be prserved in wiki. Beside that,article was well sourced with book refrences which all have ISBN Numbers. I am sure,I won´t be able to convince you through my arguments.For that I am too small to you.If you want to do some thing,there is a way.If you wish you can re-install the article again. About Bangladeshis there are few articles.He being a freedom fighter, commander of an operation ,deserve that the article should be re-installed again. I am appealing you to consider the matter once again and request you if the wiki terms conditions allows,please re-install the article again. I know you have syampathie for those who are neglected and repressed. The person have done some thing which is really known to Bangladesh Liberation war.There are many Biographies of Bangladeshis in Wiki who even have not commanded a war or was not prsent in Military operation still the name of those persons life histroy could be seen as wikipedia Military persons biography. I hope you will consider the matter and give me advises how to re-install the article. With regards, --Frankfurt55 (talk) 21:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
I am not unhappy nor I am shocked that you block me 3 times in one week.
This particular blocks make me very alert about few matters and while I was blocked I read many Wiki regulations.Now I know a little bit about wiki for that I want to thank you.It was not possible if you would not block me.My blocking was necessary. Regards Frankfurt55 (talk) 22:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC) |
Note
FP, note was not agreed by ARBMAC, but it was created following that agreement. How should we write in order to explain that? Reason for creation is to follow ARBMAC, and none imply that usage is sanctioned by arbmac? Why did you concluded that? --WhiteWriter 13:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- And this is not ok, Kosovo is only mentioned as a independent country, alongside other countries. That is not acceptable, per agreement from List of sovereign states, and Kosovo note agreement. --WhiteWriter 13:14, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- The essence of ARBMAC is that Arbcom stated all editors should behave properly (or be sanctioned). Why would one particular content decision be dependent in any noteworthy way on a resolution that all editors should behave properly? That resolution affects all content decisions in the same way. It is quite irrelevant to the matter at hand. Also, stop citing "agreements" that don't exist. If you want to use that note on this article, form a local consensus on this article's talkpage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- I just saw this. ARBMAC is not important, we have agreement to use this note. Mention of ARBMAC is not so mush important as the note it self is. And no, we should not create new consensus for using this each time over and over, on each page. None never questioned this, exept nationalist fighters, as it is better just to use word Kosovo with small note, then "disputed region of Kosovo, Kosovo/Serbia. etc... You are implying that Kosovo is sovereign state without that note, in the same level as other states, but that is simply far from truth. --WhiteWriter 13:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- What exectly is the problem with usage of that note on page? Can you please tell me, and we will see how to fix that problem. --WhiteWriter 13:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- Or at the end, we can question the usage of template on any page, but we have consensus to use template, and not consensus to create consensus each time over and over again. --WhiteWriter 13:27, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- Where is that consensus? I'm not seeing it. The only thing I was pointed to was some discussion among a handful of editors on some out-of-the-way minor talkpage several years ago. If there has been a project-wide consensus procedure, please point me to it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- I am quite sure that i should not tell you what consensus is. Agreement between users. That kind of agreement is project-wide, as it refers only to en.wiki. Note was on RfD, and that is also consensus. Only normal way to question that is to, FPS, ask a question on templates talk page, and ask community. As you see, there is at least 10+ editors who agree that we should use Kosovo note. And, at the end, i suppose that we should start this question on Byzantine Empire talk page, and ask should we use note on this page also. I dont see why we should not do that? Can you tell me, please? --WhiteWriter 13:39, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- Where is that consensus? I'm not seeing it. The only thing I was pointed to was some discussion among a handful of editors on some out-of-the-way minor talkpage several years ago. If there has been a project-wide consensus procedure, please point me to it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- Or at the end, we can question the usage of template on any page, but we have consensus to use template, and not consensus to create consensus each time over and over again. --WhiteWriter 13:27, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- What exectly is the problem with usage of that note on page? Can you please tell me, and we will see how to fix that problem. --WhiteWriter 13:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- I just saw this. ARBMAC is not important, we have agreement to use this note. Mention of ARBMAC is not so mush important as the note it self is. And no, we should not create new consensus for using this each time over and over, on each page. None never questioned this, exept nationalist fighters, as it is better just to use word Kosovo with small note, then "disputed region of Kosovo, Kosovo/Serbia. etc... You are implying that Kosovo is sovereign state without that note, in the same level as other states, but that is simply far from truth. --WhiteWriter 13:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- The essence of ARBMAC is that Arbcom stated all editors should behave properly (or be sanctioned). Why would one particular content decision be dependent in any noteworthy way on a resolution that all editors should behave properly? That resolution affects all content decisions in the same way. It is quite irrelevant to the matter at hand. Also, stop citing "agreements" that don't exist. If you want to use that note on this article, form a local consensus on this article's talkpage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
The TfD only decided on the question of whether or not to delete the template, not whether – and where – to make its use obligatory. If you claim there is a consensus to use it project-wide, on hundreds or perhaps thousands of pages, that requires a very strong, formal consensus procedure, not something cooked up between a handful of people on a single page. In the absence of such a procedure, yes, only local consensus on each individual article counts. If you want an RfC on Talk:Byzantine empire, feel free to open one. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:43, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- And what kind of consensus is enough? Can you tell me where was some form a project-wide consensus? Is there any new venue for that? If there is, please, point to me, i thought that agreement among all participants is enough. --WhiteWriter 13:49, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- And no, i dont need formal RfC on Talk:Byzantine empire, we can just talk like normal people do, and gain a consensus. --WhiteWriter 13:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- If what you're looking for is consensus that would be strong enough to justify imposing something on a large group of articles without consulting with local editors first in each case, it would minimally require a formal, centralized RfC procedure, well enough advertised in such a way that editors in all topic areas likely to be affected by the outcome had a chance to be aware of it and participate. Why are you asking me to point to such a consensus procedure? It was you who claimed there was a consensus, so it's your responsibility to produce one. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- If you ask me, that is just a useless bureaucracy that stops us from making a good wiki. Anyway, i will give you consensus you need. --WhiteWriter 14:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
- If what you're looking for is consensus that would be strong enough to justify imposing something on a large group of articles without consulting with local editors first in each case, it would minimally require a formal, centralized RfC procedure, well enough advertised in such a way that editors in all topic areas likely to be affected by the outcome had a chance to be aware of it and participate. Why are you asking me to point to such a consensus procedure? It was you who claimed there was a consensus, so it's your responsibility to produce one. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)