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	Not using the official name flies in the face of what Wiki is supposed to be about. The fact that secondary sources are idiots who have tried to introduce a "narrative" into the death of Michael Collins should be irrelevant. Béal na Blá does not mean "The mouth of flowers" as some have tried to imply, it means "Mouth of the Ford". <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		Not using the official name flies in the face of what Wiki is supposed to be about. The fact that secondary sources are idiots who have tried to introduce a "narrative" into the death of Michael Collins should be irrelevant. Béal na Blá does not mean "The mouth of flowers" as some have tried to imply, it means "Mouth of the Ford". <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:How many reliable sources use Béal na Blá? Misplaced Pages doesn't bend due to one man's letter writing campaign, and it's not for advocacy either. <font face="Celtic">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 07:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)		:See ]. How many reliable sources use Béal na Blá? Misplaced Pages doesn't bend due to one man's letter writing campaign, and it's not for advocacy either. <font face="Celtic">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 07:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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Name

http://www.litriocht.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=4878 its Mícheál Ó Coileáin in Irish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.172.163 (talk) 20:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

You may wish to look at File:Anglo-Irish Treaty signatures.gif, and Michael Collins: The Man Who Made Ireland by Coogan (page 33) confirms Míceál Ó Coileáin to be correct, amongst many other sources. O Fenian (talk) 20:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

A c with a dot over it, ċ, is a lenited constant, see Irish orthography. This was a common way of writing ch in the early 20th century Irish script. I've added a ċ, to the Irish name, because the Treaty signature page has a c with a dot over it. The source quoted by the IP, uses modern Irish spelling for his first name. Snappy (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

G. K. Chesterton

The cover blurb of a selected work of G.K. Chesterton mkes the claim the "The Napolean of Notting Hill" inspired Collins to his revolutionary ways. this sounds a rather improabale, or at least overblown claim, ut I wonder if anyone has any background on it Epeeist smudge (talk) 14:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Tim Pat Coogan appears to support the contention. Peter Hart dismissed it "...The Napoleon of Notting Hill (A novel by G.K Chesterton erroneously rumoured to have influenced Collins)...".. Take your pick. RashersTierney (talk) 17:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Signature

Someone could probably pull Collins' signature from the last page of the Anglo-Irish Treaty. Many other biographies have this and Collins deserves it too, especially since it's available. --75.3.201.6 (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Alleged middle name

Michael Collins did not have a middle name. See Michael Collins A Life by James Mackay page 18 - "The parish register shows that he was christened Michael, although he went through a phase in childhood where he assumed a middle name, James (after his mother's father), and sometimes signed his name 'M.J. Collins', but he dropped this affectation as he got older". 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 19:34, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Béal na Blá v Béal na mBlath

Not using the official name flies in the face of what Wiki is supposed to be about. The fact that secondary sources are idiots who have tried to introduce a "narrative" into the death of Michael Collins should be irrelevant. Béal na Blá does not mean "The mouth of flowers" as some have tried to imply, it means "Mouth of the Ford". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.140 (talk) 07:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

See Talk:Béal na mBláth. How many reliable sources use Béal na Blá? Misplaced Pages doesn't bend due to one man's letter writing campaign, and it's not for advocacy either. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 07:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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