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What I do on Misplaced Pages.

My rewards.

What's up?

I mainly follow up on pages from my watchlist, occasionally adding new pages to it that spiked my interest.

I am happily busy with my beloved wife, Miriam. Add daughter: Channa. And son: Aharon. Add daughter: Sheina Chava And Rivkah.

Adding Lubavitcher Rebbe to American Jews Info box

Right now on Talk:American_Jews#The_Lubavitcher_Rebbe there is a debate about if the Lubavitcher Rebbe should be added to the info box for American Jews. I think that you could probably contribute to this discussion more than I, as you are more experienced wikipeidia editor. yisraeldov (talk) 08:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you help identify these favicons?

I would like to make a little personal use of this talk page.

I collect favicons. I have over 8000 of them. A few of them are my 'orphans': I do not know the sites they came from.

I you think you could help, and want to do me a big favor, please have a look at them.

My 'orphan' favicons

Thanks! Debresser (talk) 17:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

No 11, perhaps: http://www.rtl.nl/experience/rtlnl/ -- ElComandanteChe 20:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes! You're awesome. Debresser (talk) 00:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Special characters

{{helpme}} Just like & #123; gives {, I would like to know how to make , and '. Where is there a list of these things? I looked, e.g. in Misplaced Pages:Special_character, but didn't find what I am looking for. Debresser (talk) 12:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

http://www.degraeve.com/reference/specialcharacters.php --Closedmouth (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Isn't there anything on WIkipedia? Debresser (talk) 13:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

If there is, it's well hidden. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

List of XML and HTML character entity references ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  13:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

TUSC token 20c9f322ebc5b8e1009a90c36867a16e

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Didn't work the first time. Sigh... Debresser (talk) 16:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

This tool, http://toolserver.org/~magnus/flickr2commons.php, sucks! At the moment, at least. Debresser (talk) 17:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Mind you, it says "TUSC verification failed" on one page, and "Attention : you are already verified!" on another. Debresser (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Account creation system

Debresser, thank you for your interest in helping users creating accounts. Your request has been approved. I advise you to read WP:ACCG before you use the system.

At this time, you are allowed to create up to six accounts per day. You won't be able to create an account with a similar name to that of another user. However, if you have reached the limit frequently, you can request the account creator permission at WP:RPE.

Again, thanks for your interest in the account creation system. Join us on IRC at wikipedia-en-accounts and subscribe to the mailing list by going here. Willking1979 (talk) 12:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Account creation request interface Debresser (talk) 12:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:More plot

Template:More plot has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. George Ho (talk) 05:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Debresser (talk) 00:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Honorverse categories

Regarding these:

After a long and painstaking process of cruft consolidation, we have exactly four articles covering fictional material on this subject:

1. List of locations in the Honorverse
2. List of organizations in the Honorverse
3. List of alien species in the Honorverse
4. List of Honorverse characters

We used to have numerous subcategories for both characters and listed, but they were deleted at CfD as excessive subcategorisation of fictional material in these TfDs:

1. Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 February 5#Category:Honorverse characters
2. Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 January 10#Category:Honorverse locations

At the same time, almost all of the redirects were uncategorised. There is no justification for categorising every redirect: these are, by and large, minor plot points in an expansive work of fiction, and as the material is so closely consolidated there is no need for an additional navigation system outside of the list articles themselves. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 00:08, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I tend to agree with you. In the situation before the merges, the redirects were categorised correctly, in my opinion, as per the policy I quoted, but now that all these have been merged, I agree that there is no need to have a category with so many redirects. I shall undo my edits. Debresser (talk) 06:07, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:47, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Ohel (Chabad)

Hi, could you take a look at what's going on at the end of this article? Are there any specific references to kohanim at the Ohel? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for clarifying this. I had no idea what a "kohen box" was. Now that I knew what to look for, I found a reference for it. Thanks again! Yoninah (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I am happy to have been able to help. And even more happy, that it is now referenced. Debresser (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The Exodus debates

Hi Debresser: There is still much discussion about what the article about what The Exodus should be. If you are able, please see the discussions at Talk:The Exodus#Historicity issues and Talk:The Exodus#Article outline. There is an important need for editors knowledgeable about Judaism's and classical Torah views on this subject. Most of the discussions lack this and would benefit from your knowledge and input in this regard. Thanks! IZAK (talk) 21:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you fir your implicit praise. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I just got married, and am very unavailable. :) Debresser (talk) 20:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Mazal tov. May you build a "bayit ne'eman b'yisrael"! StevenJ81 (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

David Ricardo article

Hello Debresser,

Could you please take a look at the Article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/David_Ricardo?

I had intended to fix the Date of Birth in the box to match the correct one in the main Article, and somewhow messed up the whole thing.

Thanks, Michael David (talk) 21:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Amazing! I seems to have gotten fixed in the time it took me to write the message request to you. Michael David (talk) 21:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I am happy to hear that. You wrote me on the day of my wedding, so there was no chance I could have helped you. Debresser (talk) 14:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Marvelous! My very best wishes to you both! Michael David (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Debresser (talk) 20:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

User:Debresser/What more's up?

Mazel tov! — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 17:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Her name is Miriam Levin, from Minsk (originally, nowadays Beitar Illit). Debresser (talk) 19:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Smile!

A smile for you You’ve just received a random act of kindness! 66.87.2.110 (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, that was nice! Debresser (talk) 17:24, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello Debresser. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Misplaced Pages, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang 23:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I will definitely take part in the survey. I hope it will allow me to express sufficiently that I think dispute solution on Misplaced Pages is working frustratingly poorly. Debresser (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Reversions

Regarding , please see wikipedia:Restoring part of a reverted edit. --Chealer (talk) 03:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I see no reason to litter my talkpage with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines that I am well aware of. Btw, check WP:BRD yourself. Debresser (talk) 14:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Unjustified reversions

Hi Debresser, regarding , please see Misplaced Pages:REVEXP#Explain_reverts. Regarding your comment "In essence, this editor is trying to cast doubt onto the obvious.", please see Misplaced Pages:Comment_on_content,_not_on_the_contributor. Note that "BRD" is merely an essay. The spirit of BRD is discussion. A prerequisite to discussion is information - each side's position in this case. --Chealer (talk) 16:21, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

You give no arguments yourself, just post policies on my talkpage (which irritates me to no end). And, FYI, BRD is very much a guideline you are supposed to follow. Debresser (talk) 16:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

We are discussing your behavior here. If you think my behavior was inappropriate, you are welcome on my talk page to explain why you think so. This is valid with everyone, and not only on Misplaced Pages; if you think someone is going in the wrong direction, don't push in the opposite direction, tell them why you think they're wrong.

BRD is not a guideline, as explained in Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle: "While this essay is not a policy or guideline itself, it is intended to supplement the Misplaced Pages:Consensus and Misplaced Pages:Be bold pages." --Chealer (talk) 03:17, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Didn't I already inform you that you need not point me to policies and guidelines. I know what they say. I have been here for five years. You are insulting me. And your behavior is not up to standard, so please do not hide behind the fact that BRD is "only" a guideline. Debresser (talk) 05:47, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

No. In any case, again, BRD is not a guideline, as the first sentence on Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle explains: "While is not a guideline " (emphasis mine). Again, we are discussing your behavior here. If you think my behavior was inappropriate, you are welcome on my talk page to explain why. --Chealer (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I see no reason to discuss only my behavior here. Are you making up that rule? In any case, I think you are littering my talkpage with incorrect statements. Please be so kind to keep all discussion to the point and on the talkpage of the template. Thank you for not disturbing me here. Debresser (talk) 17:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

This is not a rule. What I'm saying is that this topic is about your behavior. If you want to discuss a different topic, such as my behavior, it's better to do that in a new topic. For a topic about my behavior, my talk page would be the best place. If I make incorrect statements, please say so. Thank you --Chealer (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

What you consider to be not the best place, is good enough for me. And also, didn't I ask you not to post any more silly comments on my talkpage? You know that there is a guideline about that also? Debresser (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Erlau (Hasidic dynasty)

Hi, I was just wondering why you lowercased "Rabbi" in front of everyone's names? Yoninah (talk) 13:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

That is the way it has to be in English, see Misplaced Pages:Mos#Titles_of_people. Debresser (talk) 06:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

That's not what WP:JOBTITLES says. You don't write "president Obama", but "President Obama". On second mention, you say "Obama is the president of the United States". Yoninah (talk) 09:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Please see that guideline more closely. There is a number of further stipulations there when a capital should be used. Debresser (talk) 14:19, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing what you're seeing. This seems to be what's pertinent to our discussion:

When followed by a person's name, when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon.

Honestly, I don't know why you all of a sudden decided to change Rabbi X to lowercase when it is a given grammatical construction in every book, newspaper and magazine in the world. Does that mean you're going to lowercase rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson in every Chabad article? I think not. I'd like to reinstate the capital R in the Erlau article now. Yoninah (talk) 16:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I have done that more than once. And please, do not get personal. 17:01, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I had a look at a few more articles her on Misplaced Pages, and they used a capital "R". So I'll take this to WT:JUDAISM, and we'll do whatever they decide there. Debresser (talk) 17:14, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

From the first three reaction over there, I would say consensus seems to be that "Rabbi" should be capitalized. If you want I can do this myself. Just please do not simply revert my edits, because they did other good things as well. Debresser (talk) 21:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Both based on WP:JOBTITLES and on what I learned in junior high school, Rabbi is capitalized when followed by a last name, specifying an individual. (After all, even Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss is/are capitalized.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:53, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Adin Steinsaltz not Adin Shteinsaltz

User_talk:68.237.35.133#Adin_Shteinsaltz. --68.237.35.133 (talk) 14:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

As they say in Russia, "Fuck you" is written with "ck" or "just a "k"? Debresser (talk) 22:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Category:Items to be merged

Your comments would be welcome about this edit, which I've raised a comment about on the category talk page. Thanks. --Izno (talk) 21:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I indeed have a clear opinion about this issue, which I was happy to lay out for the readers of that discussion. Debresser (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Shiva Rose

Well, first of all, the intro said something not totally correct, which is that she was born to a Persian-American family. This was contradicted by the more accurate statement under early life that her ancestry was both Persian and Irish. Second of all, I don't know, is her being of half Persian ancestry related to her notable activities? In what is probably her best known film, David & Layla, she played a Kurdish immigrant, not a Persian. If she had played a Persian, would that make it notable to her activities? I don't know. Her co-star, David Moscow, played a Jewish character in the same movie. If we could confirm that he is Jewish to whichever degree in real life (and I'm sure I could look it up), would we put that in the intro of David Moscow's article?

Basically, a lot of questions! All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 05:20, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I forgot about Kurdish. Anyway, I was just raising the question, because there is something to be said for it, but I also had these and other questions. So I decided to ask your opinion. Debresser (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

BTW, David Moscow: Jewish father, LDS (Mormon) mother! (in case you were curious). Obits of his maternal grandparents (well, grandfather and step-grandmother) are here and here. How interesting! Now, I wonder if I can find a genealogical connection between Moscow and Mitt Romney, as I did between Zach Braff and Romney? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 10:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps that info should be added to his article. Debresser (talk) 17:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, I would if I could. But I can't find a source that discusses his religious heritage explicitly (only an article from 1992 that mentions that "Harry and Susan Sterner of Murray went to LA recently so their 17-year-old grandson, David Moscow, would have adult supervision while starring in the movie"...) ... Otherwise, I got his Jewish paternal grandparents' names from GenI and his LDS maternal grandparents' names from those obituaries. That would probably constitute original research, accurate, but original. I wonder, did his mother convert to Judaism, or was he raised LDS (in New York?) or raised a nothing. I don't have access to conversion certificates so that will probably remain a mystery, at least for now. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 19:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. I wouldn't could it "religious heritage". Judaism is as much an ethnicity as it is a religion. Debresser (talk) 10:29, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I know. Ashkenazi Jews are one of the most homogeneous ethnic groups. On that note, it's funny, I've heard Mormons referred to as an "ethnic group", which I found very strange, although Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Mitt Romney share some very recent ancestry. I've also heard people referred to as "ethnic Catholics", which was weird - don't think that can be backed up. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 21:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Mormons might, given a thousand years, turn into an ethnicity. An interesting thing, to consider such time spans. Debresser (talk) 00:20, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think they will. As a generalization, of course, Mormons like to marry non-Mormons way too much (and then convert them to Mormonism). A reason why perhaps a majority of American LDS have Scandinavian ancestry (i.e. Amy Adams or Jon Huntsman) is that so many Mormon missionaries went to those countries to bring over converts (Adams' family tree is such a great visual illustration of this - all these people being born in Norway, Denmark, and England, and dying in Utah). It's a very proselytizing religion. Romney and Huntsman are married to converts for a reason. (of course, American Judaism is going much in the same direction these days). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 01:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Prod2 template

Hi, When I use the prod2 template (see International Journal of Databases for an example) it produces "]" just below it. I see that you edited the template yesterday, so I guess something went wrong. I don't know anything about template syntax, so I didn't even dare to revert your last edit... :-) Could you have a look at this? Thanks. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 17:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for reporting the issue to me. Debresser (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

"Pott's" not Pott Disease

Hello, again. How do you go about changing the main title of a article? Here's the one I'm speaking of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Pott_disease

It's spelled correctly in the main body of the Article, but the Article's Title is wrong.

Thanks, Michael David (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I see in this article that it is spelled "Pott disease", so I'd say: first establish consensus that the spelling is as you claim, and then ask me again to do the move for you. Debresser (talk) 18:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

This is just one of several medical dictionary entries for Pott's Disease: http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=19051

Michael David (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:X4/doc

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I used that page for some sophisticated template functionality testing. See Template talk:Ambox. You may delete it now if you like. Debresser (talk) 18:28, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Recent Discussions on Elazar Shach talk page

Hi,

There have been some recent discussions on the Elazar Shach discussion page:(http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Elazar_Shach)

"Links to Speeches and Letters of Shach"

"Adin Steinsaltz"

"Relationship with R' Chaim Ozer Grodzinski"

I'd appreciate your input, if possible,

Thanks,

Yonoson3 (talk) 05:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Geshem

Kehuna

I noted you reverted one of Marecheth_Ho'eElohuth's edits here. here. What is your take on the duplication between articles to wp and own website http://kehuna.org/mitzvah-to-kohanim-to-sound-silver-trumpets/ - complete with links to website and appeal for donations. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I didn't revert him, just improved a little. Debresser (talk) 15:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

What about the business website? In ictu oculi (talk) 21:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know whether that is his website. If he is not spaming, and the site is considered a reliable source, then it should be ok, even if he is connected somehow to the site. Otherwise (spaming, not a reliable source) it would be a problem. Debresser (talk) 06:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Well a bot tagged two of his (meaning Kehuna, the new User name) as conflict of interest, after looking at the duplicate content of the silver trumpets article Kehuna created on wp with the website, and the $1,200 for a silver trumpet I left a message on the Kehuna user page. It would be good if someone spoke to him before someone official does. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:54, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

76.66.210.60 on Elazar Shach discussion page

Hi,

Check out the contributions of 76.66.210.60 here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/76.66.210.60

I think his language has gone overboard. What do you think? Should he be banned from Misplaced Pages?

Yonoson3 (talk) 06:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't like the way he is ranting, and he might have phrased things more respectfully. But I do not think that is reason to ban him from Misplaced Pages. And he does have a point about Shach being a controversial rabbi. Debresser (talk) 17:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback at my user talk page

New message from Gareth Griffith-Jones

Just clicking on my name in the blue box will take you straight to my reply to your posting last night. Thank you, Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 07:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you for your edit summary this morning. Good editing! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:36, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

You too! :)

Templates? I am confused. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:21, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I have replied to you. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 09:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

payess?

I noticed on Gareth's page you said something to him about your knowledge of Jewish law or custom. My edit of the Annie Hall page introduced the word 'payess' to the article in reference to the ear locks that Woody wears at one point. I'm not certain this is right term. --Ring Cinema (talk) 21:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

See Payot for various spellings, and an explanation of the practice. Debresser (talk) 23:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Hymns

Because a hymn is by definition religious. A "religious hymn" is redundant.—Chowbok ☠ 20:32, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

See hymn that only usually religious. So not always. So I suggest to revert those edits. Debresser (talk) 13:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Noach

Thanks for participating in the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Noach (parsha). I appreciate your input. --Dauster (talk) 02:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Spacing in headings

It's become such a natural part of what I do that I hardly notice I do it anymore. It may be required by Misplaced Pages standards, but I see plenty of pages which don't have spacing at all. I don't think it necessarily adds clarity, but that's not why I do it; it's just a stylistic decision. Ss112 14:20, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Debresser (talk) 15:49, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate your polite feedback on how to go about amending pages regarding religion. It should be noted that, I had no intentions of presumption in thinking that I, myself, am capable of superceding countless other contributors to postings. Also, although I am indeed only one user, my contributions were largely cited in sources considered universally, or at least predominantly, to be of scholarly worthiness regarding the topic for which I had contributed amendments.

Although, I understand that my additions may have come off as dogmatic for seeking to shed light on where Muslim practices in Ramadan originated, I hope to improve upon the manner in which I intend to continue contributing. As an experienced Wiki contributor, I value your assistance, as it is clear you hold collegial postings in high esteem. I want to make it clear that I do too, and the Ramadan page, despite alleged consensus, is still sorely lacking the type of fidelity that Misplaced Pages hopes to continually improve upon.

In retrospect, I see how some of what I hoped to add, perhaps, was a bit too dogmatic, and having viewed other pages regarding important tenets and observances totally agree -- so I will be more mindful moving forward. However, I am still unclear as to what consitutes, what you termed "propaganda", in any of my prior postings that you disapproved of, as I simply cited, what are called authenticated (sahih) hadiths.

Thanks again for reaching out to a newbie on here.

Best wishes — Preceding unsigned comment added by BuckLava (talk • contribs) 16:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Category:Articles with too many wikilinks from July 2012

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Armenian Church redirect not accurate

In March 2012, you reverted Armenian Church to Armenian Apostolic Church by giving the explanation saying "This is clearly the main meaning. See talk page". No sir. It may "mainly" refer to Armenian Apostolic Church as the majority of Christian Armenians are adherents of the Armenian Apostolic faith. But in actual fact the Armenian Church is not the Armenian Apostolic Church only. In disambiguations, we do not consider "mainly refers to" as "good enough" criteria to render an inclusive disambiguation into a subjective redirect as you have done. All Armenian Churches are Armenian Churches including the Armenian Catholic Church which is an Armenian Church and the Armenian Evangelical Church which is also part of the Armenian Church. We have no right to exclusively and unilaterally denote the Armenian Apostolic Church as "the" Armenian Church. This is a highly sensitive issue that you have ignored totally and chose to bypass with your edit. Furthermore, there was only a symbolic discussion of two one liners. You cannot base your move on just two lines nobody knew about. I am requesting that you revert with immediate effect to the earlier status mentioning all the Armenian Churches on an equal footing and without discrimination or subjective personal opinions and (at best) a sketchy and dubious discussion in a talk page. We don't want to endorse and perpetuate in Misplaced Pages common mistakes when some people commonly refer to Armenian Church as being the Armenian Apsotolic Church only. If this is not done, I am willing to take this into a much bigger discussion. What we have now is an insult to the legality of the Armenian Catholic Church and Armenian Evangelical Church as part of the global Armenian Church with full rights of being calling Armenian Church as well . Please see also what I have added in Talk page here Talk:Armenian Church after being aware of the discussion that was held. werldwayd (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Then I suggest you open a broader discussion somewhere, because I disagree with you. Not with what you say that all different nominations of Christianity in Armenia are "Armenian churches", because that is obviously true. But the singular form "Armenian church", meaning the singular most important church in Armenia, is to my understanding the Armenian Apostolic Church. Debresser (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Template {{LondonGazette}}

No, you didn't fix it, I did. The template was already "broken", in the sense that it wasn't compatible with the {{citation}} template, but you just had to start shouting when I started to fix it. Why didn't you try fixing it yourself, instead of shouting at me? 02:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)Malleus Fatuorum

As I said already previously in this edit summary, I wasn't shouting, I just had my CAPSLOCK on by mistake. Which is clearly recognizable in the editsummary of this edit. Also, let me ask, why did you have to use the F-word here? In addition, see the template talkpage, that I think the code was good before, after your first edit. Perhaps you care to explain (there , at the talkpage) why you were not content with that version? Debresser (talk) 06:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Because it didn't work compatibly with {{sfn}}. Malleus Fatuorum 12:36, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

World

Hello. You recently reverted one of my edits - I do not mind that at all. The article was The Quiet. You feel that 'World' does not need to be capitalised. Until recently, someone suggested to me that 'World' is indeed something which needs to be capitalised. I would be interested to hear your thoughts Galaxycat (talk) 20:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC))

I fail to see the reason the word "world" should be capitalised. Would you perhaps care to have a look at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Capital letters. Perhaps there is something there I missed? Debresser (talk) 20:15, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

If it is in the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style, then I must concede that you are correct. Thank you(Galaxycat (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)).

It is not in there. And that is precisely the reason I think it should not be capitalised. :) Debresser (talk) 22:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

It could potentially be. It is, after all, a proper noun. I guess that is a word which might potentially be included in the near future. I shall leave it how it is at the moment (uncapitalised). Until recently, I have always left the word uncapitalised, but then I was told otherwise and the reasoning does make sense. Anyway, thank you for the comments. (Galaxycat (talk) 05:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC))

Peta Wilson

You're kidding right? I've put ever single time why I removed her height and it's because it does NOT belong there. Height is only stated in the infobox of athletes or dancers, etc. When it is relevant. Quit changing it back after I have repeatedly told you why it doesn't belong or I'll have to go to an administrator because you are edit warring. Lady Lotus (talk) 00:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

You are no less edit warring... And your argument is incorrect, see the talkpage. Debresser (talk) 06:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

The header is a borderline personal attack and the first line of this wikipedia policy states "comment on content, not contributors". Not to mention it shows a lack of ettiquette.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I have you talkpage watched, since I posted there. Come on! Don't look for personal attacks, and you won't find them. It is a neutral description: "edit made by editor". Or is "tax reform of Obama" also a personal attack? :) Debresser (talk) 01:03, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Then why not put 'edit made by editor/contributor' instead of my user name? And pretty sure Obama isn't an editor, it's different. Lady Lotus (talk) 01:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I am not opposed to something even more neutral. But not just "height", since the section is also about the "known_for" parameter. Debresser (talk) 01:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok this whole thing has truly exhausted me and ALL i was trying to do was get you to understand where I was coming from and why it didnt need to be in the infobox and instead of discussing it, you chose to just yell at me about consensus and hand me your opinion instead of explaining to me why it should be on there and agree with wiki guidelines. Ive grown too tired for this argument when it's clearly going nowhere so since you are determined to keep it up there, go for it. i might suggest maybe listening to other editors in the future when they are trying to explain their viewpoint. just saying. Lady Lotus (talk) 16:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I have tried to understand your point of view, but failed to. But I admit I am allergic to editors who keep stubbornly reinstating their edits without first reaching consensus, once they have been made aware that there is disagreement about something they did in their edit. Debresser (talk) 16:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring at Peta Wilson

Hello Debresser, please see the section at User talk:Calmer Waters#Help please? regarding the recent and ongoing edit war at Peta Wilson. Please immediately discontinue reverting the infobox on this page until this dispute can be worked out before blocks are handed out. I suggested a couple of avenues of approach that may facilitate this. Kindly Calmer Waters 02:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Posted there. Debresser (talk) 07:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Lady Lotus

You seem to keep referring to them as he or him. Their user page points out that they are female. Just pointing that out... Dismas| 08:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, on Misplaced Pages everybody is "editor", so he. But I'll try to take that into account, since I really hadn't noticed that. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that and thank you Dismas for pointing that out :) Lady Lotus (talk) 15:26, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution IRC office hours.

Hello there. As you expressed interest in hearing updates to my research in the dispute resolution survey that was done a few months ago, I just wanted to let you know that I am hosting an IRC office hours session this coming Saturday, 28th July at 19:00 UTC (approximately 12 hours from now). This will be located in the #wikimedia-office IRC channel - if you have not participated in an IRC discussion before you can connect to IRC here.

Regards, User:Szhang (WMF) (talk) 07:01, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Talkback here Pass a Method talk 12:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

That page is on my watchlist, but thanks for dropping a note Debresser (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

I modified the text of proposal to address your concerns. Please, review your !vote. Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you for letting me know. Debresser (talk) 18:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Split section

Hello! Is there a particular benefit to the use of {{ambox}} instead of {{mbox}}? The tag appears primarily in the article namespace, but it can be utilized elsewhere (and currently has one such transclusion). —David Levy 14:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, old friend. First of all, the same can be said for most maintenance templates, and still virtually all of them use Ambox. But also, and that was my main reason, because Ambox has - to the best of my knowledge - the most features. Debresser (talk) 15:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

First of all, the same can be said for most maintenance templates, and still virtually all of them use Ambox.

Most maintenance templates relate specifically to article content issues (and therefore have no valid applications outside the article namespace, apart from documentation and the like) —David Levy 15:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Most, but by far not all. Debresser (talk) 18:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. That's why I wrote "most" (in response to your statement that most can be utilized outside the article namespace), not "all".

Templates used exclusively in articles should be based on {{ambox}}, while those used in multiple namespaces should be based on {{mbox}} (so their styling is correct in all instances). —David Levy 19:09, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

But also, and that was my main reason, because Ambox has - to the best of my knowledge - the most features.

Does {{split section}} rely on any features not present in {{mbox}}? —David Levy 15:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Does Mbox support the parameters "all", "cat", "cat2"? Debresser (talk) 18:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe so (at least until someone updates it), but didn't the previous coding (before this revision) provide identical categorization? —David Levy 19:09, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

It did. {{Split sections}} was not in use outside article namespace (nor should it, judging by the categories which all contain the word "articles"), so I reverted to usage of {{Ambox}}. {{Split section}} was in use on 1 category page and 1 Misplaced Pages page, and I took care of them. Do you see any other usage that would justify keeping {{Mbox}}? Debresser (talk) 01:38, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Future usage justifies it. Why would the fact that you just took care of the current non-article uses mean that such functionality is unneeded from now on?

What's the benefit of switching to {{ambox}}? As far as I can tell, the only difference in the rendered templates is the incorrect styling outside the article namespace. —David Levy 02:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello again. I'm sure that this was a helpful change, but please don't cite the template's current disuse outside the article namespace as justification for reverting to {{ambox}}. What matters is how it's used on an ongoing basis, not how it happens to be used at the moment. Thanks. —David Levy 01:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, as I already said previously, 1. almost all maintenance templates are Amboxes, even if theoretically they could be applied outside article namespace as well; 2. these two templates categorize into categories with the word "articles". And actual practice is at least an indication of the way the templates should be used. So I don't think these two templates should be using Mbox, but Ambox instead. Debresser (talk) 01:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, as I already said previously, 1. almost all maintenance templates are Amboxes, even if theoretically they could be applied outside article namespace as well;

As I said previously, most maintenance templates relate specifically to article content issues, so they can't be applied outside the article namespace. For the minority that can, we have {{mbox}}. —David Levy 02:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

This is incorrect: most maintenance templates address issues that pertain not only to articles. Debresser (talk) 02:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

You acknowledged the opposite above.

Most maintenance templates pertain to issues along the lines of poor/nonexistent sourcing, unencyclopedic tone, incorrect citation formatting, et cetera. Others, which pertain to issues that can arise inside or outside the article namespace, are based on {{mbox}}. That's why it exists. —David Levy 03:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

These are relevant to e.g. Misplaced Pages, Portal and WikiProject namespace as well, and even to templates, the wording of which is often discussed in great detail. Debresser (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, there is no "WikiProject" namespace.

Secondly, please explain how matters of poor/nonexistent sourcing, unencyclopedic tone and incorrect citation formatting apply to those areas. —David Levy 10:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

2. these two templates categorize into categories with the word "articles".

The categories technically are misnamed, but this has never bothered anyone enough to change them. —David Levy 02:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

This is incorrect. There are many categories that use the word "page" and not "article", where such was deemed necessary by practical use. Debresser (talk) 02:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I was referring specifically to these templates. —David Levy 03:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

And actual practice is at least an indication of the way the templates should be used.

And these templates are used, albeit only occasionally, outside the article namespace.

So I don't think these two templates should be using Mbox, but Ambox instead.

To what end? What practical difference, apart from causing the tags to no longer display with the correct styling in non-article namespaces, does this change make? —David Levy 02:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

First of all there is the argument of uniformity. For further argument, see the talkpage Debresser (talk) 02:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

What uniformity? We have a uniform messagebox style for each namespace. Switching from {{mbox}} to {{ambox}} broke the uniform styling outside the article namespace. —David Levy 03:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Of maintenance templates using Ambox, and of them being used in articles. Debresser (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand. If a template is used in multiple namespaces, what's the benefit of configuring it to be uniformly displayed in the article-specific style (instead of adapting to the various namespaces in which it appears)? —David Levy 10:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

French-language singers

The top of Category:French-language singers includes a notice to not put French singers in the category. It basically boils down to doing so is a needless duplication of categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Is the same rule applied to other languages? Debresser (talk) 20:15, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Is already see on Category:Singers by language that yes, so okay. Debresser (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Please view the link at the TfD page and on my talk page before talking about my misplaced ideas on any more areas of the encyclopedia. I've been working with WikiProject Wikify for over a year now. I am clear on what is and is not an aspect of wikification.  Ryan Vesey 14:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Debresser taking unilateral action against consensus due to his unique interpretation of wikification. Thank you.  Ryan Vesey 20:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for posting this notification. I have replied there. The gist of my reply is that since we are actively discussing this, I see no need for an ANI post. Debresser (talk) 10:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Staying cool when the editing gets hot

Hi Debresser. I know you are one of the most active Wikipedians and I appreciate your work. I am only writing this to you to tell you to keep cool and use the WikiProject Wikify talk page. Ryan Vesey shouldn't bring the matter to ANI since I don't think you misused any tools. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:07, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I think we are staying cool, and I enjoy the discussion. I also think RV has some interesting ideas, just that a little broader discussion is necessary to see whether they should be supported and to what extend. Debresser (talk) 10:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Citation needed by

Template:Citation needed by has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- Beland (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. I agree with you that this template should be deleted, and have posted there. Debresser (talk) 18:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey there

hey there buddy i can see you are very adamant to erase all opinions you disagree with. but you can not defend magic on an encyclopedia as a 'report' on the Luria page, the 'behold a son' will come to you can you? then you say 'misinterpret' in your angry style but another user on the talk page made the same request for luria's page, plus it has been a controversy in judaism for centuries. then you take vengeance by randomly erasing well sourced quotes on the jews of america page. then just because you disagree say i do not understand the sources, you know you're wrong the sources are referring to kaballah of ashkenazis influenced by Luria, why is any view other than yours 'wrong'. i did supply a valid source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maryester (talk • contribs) 01:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Accusing me of having a personal agenda is not nice, and in this case also incorrect. As I said, I think you misinterpreted the sources by a long stretch. But just to be on the safe side, I have asked some fellow editors to have a closer look at your edits as well. And we shall see, who is having an agenda, and who is misinterpreting the sources. I will be the first to admit I am wrong, if that were to be the case. Debresser (talk) 09:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

1RR violation at Beitar Illit

Please self-revert. --Frederico1234 (talk) 14:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)