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Name

Since we're not obliged to use "official" names per WP:COMMONNAME it should remain at its current title. Notwithstanding an ongoing letter writing campaign by a certain individual that seems to have found traction on here, "Béal na Blá" gets 1 result on Google Books. A similar search on all of Google returns a dearth of reliable sources, the main use of the term is in lyrics to a song. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 09:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I've added information regarding the varying versions of the name. It's interesting that the Placenames Commission page itself seems to be in a state of flux regarding this - last time I checked (several months ago), it gave "Béal Átha na Bláiche" as the correct Irish-language version of the name and it didn't mention "Béal na Blá" at all. --Kwekubo (talk)

That makes sense. However notwithstanding one primary source and one man's letter writing campaign, the common name still is Béal na mBláth and that isn't likely to change for some time I don't think. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 09:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

If I recall, "common name" on this article was once "Béal na Bláth". Would the obscurantists please make up their mind? Béal na Blá is correct, and is marginally different in spelling from whatever the promoters of misinformation want. Given this minuscule difference, most people would opt for the correct spelling. 79.97.154.238 (talk) 10:59, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:NOTSOAPBOX. This article isn't the place for campaigners for "correct" names to fight their battle. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 11:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I would agree it is not a place for soap-boxing or anything of the sort. It is a place for accuracy however. Wiki is about sharing accurate information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.140 (talk) 08:10, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Accuracy according to who? Whoever recently updated a database and a letter writer? Do they suddenly get to overturn years of how a place is named according to other reliable sources? 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 09:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The request to rename this article to Béal na Bláth has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Béal na mBláth → Béal na Bláth – I sympathise with those who would prefer this article to be at Béal na Blá, but we have to reflect real-world usage of these placenames per WP:IMOS - as One Night In Hackney commented, there is no hard evidence that "the man on the street" uses "Béal na Blá", either in Irish or in English. A little snooping with Google Maps Street View reveals that signs in the locality, both publically and privately owned, spell the placename as "Béal na mBláth" or "Béal na Bláth". Roibeárd Ó hUrdáil's suggestion of "Béal na Blá" makes much more sense as the original name for the locality, but it is clear from his article that it is conjecture (albeit well-thought-out conjecture) and it does not cite hard evidence. I do have a proposition, though, which might work as a compromise: move the article to Béal na Bláth, which is pronounced the same way. On Google Search, I'm getting 121,000 results for "Béal na Bláth", and only 58,500 for "Béal na mBláth". There is a similar 2:1 preference in favour of "Béal na Bláth" on Google Books. --Kwekubo (talk) 13:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

For posterity, I'm mildly amused to note that "Béal na mBláth" has been removed from the Placename Commission's website too, within the last 24 hours. Perhaps the letter-writing campaign has become more focussed. --Kwekubo (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

• Comment I'm inclined to support this proposal. It's the pronunciation I've been familiar with until the novel 'm' that I first came across here. Interested to hear the views of others before iVote. RashersTierney (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
• Neutral. Like Rashers, I seem to recall that it was always "Bláth" when I was young. In my case, however, it always felt like bad Irish, so I was happy when "mBláth" came into vogue. But whatever the consensus is is fine, if anybody ever does actually !vote. Scolaire (talk) 16:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

• Support. It looks like "Béal na mBláth" is a passing fad. Evidence from Oireachtas debates (I don't list the author for written answers, since it would have been an anonymous civil servant. Interesting that the FF and FG speakers on 1967/04/11 are recorded with different spellings):

Date-record	Type of text	Spelling in transcript	Speaker/questioner
1934/03/01	Speech	Beal-na-Bláth	Richard Mulcahy
1938/04/29	Speech	Bealnablath	Eamonn O'Neill
1959/05/14	Speech	Beal na mBlath	Patrick O'Donnell
1960/05/05	Speech	Bealnablath	Denis J. O'Sullivan
1961/04/11	Speech	Beal na mBláth	Tadhg Ó Maonghaile
1962/05/22	Speech	Beal na Blath	Oliver J Flanagan
1963/05/28	Written question	Béal na Bláth	Daniel Desmond
1965/05/26	Written question; speech	Béal na Bláth	Donal Creed; Michael Hilliard
1966/07/07	Written question	Beal na Blath	Donal Creed
1967/04/11	Speech	Beal-na-Blath	Patrick O'Donnell
1967/04/11	Speech	Béal-na-Bláth	Michael Hilliard
1967/04/12	Speech	Beal-na-Blath	Michael O'Leary
1971/08/05	Speech	Beal na Blath	Louis Belton
1972/05/25	Speech	Beal na Blath	Oliver J Flanagan
1982/06/24	Written answer	Beal na Blath
1987/10/29	Written answer	Beal na Blath
1996/11/13	Speech	Beal na Bláth	P. J. Sheehan
1997/12/17	Written answer	Beal na mBlath
1999/10/20	Speech	Beal na Bláth	Máirín Quill
2009/11/19	Written answer	Beal na mBlath
2009/11/26	Written answer	Beal na Blath
2011/01/18	Written answer	Beal na Blath
2011/11/08	Written answer	Beal-na-mBlath

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