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Samantha Brick and MC Ultra possible cast members

http://channelhopping.onthebox.com/2012/04/05/samantha-brick-for-celebrity-big-brother/--68.51.87.188 (talk) 22:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Dates confusion

Will this series last for 24 days then, since Marcus Bentley apparently stated it will end on the 7th? At the moment we have it as 23 days --RachelRice (talk) 09:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I thought, but obviously as it comes from Marcus Bentley it will be official, 24 days is correct. --waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 23:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Page protection

Can we PLEASE protect the page? There are loads of non-users messing with the page (listing Samantha as walked, adding insufficient colour codes) thanks --RachelRice (talk) 23:24, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you need to report it at WP:RPP, or just report the offending IP at WP:AIV. 90.213.151.194 (talk) 23:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Housemates

We have a separate article for the housemates, do not duplicate the information in this article. GimliDotNet 13:43, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

We don't normally have a separate housemates article for CBB only the summer run that has a separate article. --MSalmon (talk) 14:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

We do have a separate article though, it's there in situ. While it exists there is no need for the information to be in this article GimliDotNet 14:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I have redirected it to the Housemates section, and none of the other CBB articles have a separate list --MSalmon (talk) 14:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

We only have separate articles for regular series. --RachelRice (talk) 17:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough GimliDotNet 17:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Day 8 nomination note

Do we really need to have a note for Day 8's nominations as there was no twist to the nominations? --MSalmon (talk) 08:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I would say not. It was only partially shown live and was not a notable twist. Leaky Caldron 20:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

That's what I thought but people keep wanting to add it in (If it needs to be noted then it can be in the Summary not the Nominations Table)--MSalmon (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Sort of agree, sort of disagree. It wasn't a twist, and was basically nominations, but also should be noted that it took place after the eviction. --RachelRice (talk) 22:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Jasmine guest

I think it is best if we make it clear that Jasmine has returned in a task, as we did with Tashie and Rebeckah in BB12, and neither of them actually returned to the main area of the house, but were still counted as guests, therefore I think it should be the same with Jasmine. 86.137.180.111 (talk) 15:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No, she was not a guest HM at any time. She was in the diary and task room only and did not interact directly with the other housemates. Leaky Caldron 13:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it would make sense to have her as a guest. Where does it say that she has to come into contact with the other hm's. The point is, she was an evicted housemate who returned for a task, and she did not return permanently, so therefore she was a guest. Please take this into account. 86.137.180.111 (talk) 13:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Let us wait for more experienced editors to contribute. I don't agree with you but others might. In the meantime please stop making false accusations all over the place or you will be reported. Leaky Caldron 13:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Best idea is to leave it as guest, to show that she actually returned to the house at some point. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 13:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Guest indicates that she entered the house, she did not. We do not put the family members who voted in the last non-celeb version down as guests, so she shouldn't either. GimliDotNet 13:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

So we should just change Tashie, Rebeckah, Chanelle, Rachel, and Nathan then, even though they have been 'Guest' for years. --RachelRice (talk) 13:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, and we wouldn't do that. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 13:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

If they didn't enter the house and interact with the housemates, then yes we should GimliDotNet 13:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

But they all did enter the house, otherwise they wouldn't be shown on the episode. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 13:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Just letting you know, that the task room and diary room are both part of the house. When someone goes to the task room (i.e. in this week's shopping task) then they haven't exactly left the house haven't they --RachelRice (talk) 13:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

So are you going to put the names of all the people who have ever been in the Diary room in then? GimliDotNet 13:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Of course not, just the people that have nominated and their history in the house.Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 13:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Obviously not GimliDotNet, just for the previous housemates. Other guests already have their own section like I did with Marilyn and also Pamela last year. --RachelRice (talk) 13:56, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The nominations table is, by definition, for core participants. Jasmine was not a core participant at the time of her brief guest stay for a task. She was not part of the house routine, she was not eligible for nomination and therefore has no place in the table. Her participation is well documented elsewhere. Leaky Caldron 14:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)/

She was still a guest in the house though, and she entered the house. So for all previous Big Brother articles, we should do the same. I don't get the issue with having her as a guest on Day 11. What problems could it possibly cause? Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 14:05, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

If you start that game then every new entry will get a required tag. Wholesale changes to genres require widespread consensus, not one or two editor's enlightened/disruptive opinion. Ask yourself this, what point is it you are trying to make? How does it improve the article? What sources are you going to use? Leaky Caldron 14:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Just for a housemate being a guest? It is a fact, she was in the episode and in the house which you could clearly see if you watched that episode. Please ask yourself the same question, what point are you trying to make? We are not being disruptive, we just believe it would be better suited. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 14:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Simple. The nominations table records the HMs nomination history, not usually their participation in tasks. Participation in tasks is recorded verbatim elsewhere in the article. There was a bunch of naked waiters in BB13 and a clown in the diary room, do you want to show them as guests? Leaky Caldron 14:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

But they were never housemates, Jasmine was. Look at all of the nominations tables in Big Brother UK. Any ex-housemate who returns(bar the very few that returned as an eligible housemate) is classed as a guest if they return in a task. I don't see what the problem with that is. What you are saying about naked waiters and a clown makes no sense whatsoever. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 14:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

If Jasmine wasn't a guest, then I suggest Jon, Rachel, Ben, Nathan, Tashie and Rebeckah aren't either. I'll change them to evicted then. --RachelRice (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

And that's why Jasmine was a guest. If Jasmine wasn't, then we have to completely redefine what a guest is. I bet if you tried to do that, they'd kick off. So stuck in their ways. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

They seem to keep forgetting that Misplaced Pages is a community. Anybody can contribute and make helpful edits. Saying that Jasmine returned to the house on Day 11, is a constructive edit. Changing it back to what YOU think is right is not helpful at all. --RachelRice (talk) 14:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, and I'm getting fed up of each time I make a good contribution to Misplaced Pages, them taking it down because they think they own the article. It's not fair on us. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 14:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

:Comment on the article, not other editors motives. That way this will only end up at WP:ANI GimliDotNet 15:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Our point is that how is it not constructive to put her as a guest? If anything it tells someone more information about the series, especially with the note attached. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 15:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)She was a task participant, details of which are fully covered elsewhere. Her mother was more of a guest but you are rightly not advocating her being listed. The fact that Jasmine had been a HM and returned does not establish her credentials as a guest. She was a hidden task participant, not a guest HM. Leaky Caldron 15:25, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Rachel and WRF that Jasmine should be a guest, it is more informative. 86.137.180.111 (talk) 15:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you explain why she counts as a guest, but the naked butlers don't? GimliDotNet 15:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Because they weren't housemates! Deal with it --RachelRice (talk) 15:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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