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	Currently both articles ] and ] are essentially about the murder case and related developments, such as international reactions. This leads to a duplication of effort. It is also contrary to ], which says: "When an individual is significant for his or her role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. ... The general rule in many cases is to cover the event, not the person." For these reasons, I propose merging both articles into a single one about the murder case,]. That article would have subsections for the biographies of both men. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 08:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)		Currently both articles ] and ] are essentially about the murder case and related developments, such as international reactions. This leads to a duplication of effort. It is also contrary to ], which says: "When an individual is significant for his or her role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. ... The general rule in many cases is to cover the event, not the person." For these reasons, I propose merging both articles into a single one about the murder case,]. That article would have subsections for the biographies of both men. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 08:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' The suggestion to move ] article to the proposed ] article has already been discussed and such move was ] just 7 days ago. The suggestion to delete ] article has also been discussed and the desion to ] was made only 9 days ago. --] (]) 09:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)		*'''Comment''' The suggestion to move ] article to the proposed ] article has already been discussed and such move was ] just 7 days ago. The suggestion to delete ] article has also been discussed and the desion to ] was made only 9 days ago. --] (]) 09:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

			*'''Oppose''' I would support the merger before the extradition, but since then both articles passed the WP:1E threshold. ] (]) 10:12, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2 September 2012 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Response

I added a section about the Azeri response to the murder of Markaryan. I felt that it was important to note that Safarov's actions do not appear to be widely condemned by the Azerbaijani government, but are rather promoted as an example to follow. If there are any significant opinions in Azerbaijan to the contrary, please add them to this section. Augustgrahl

Baku87 what do you call the IWPR? VartanM (talk) 06:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Politics

Seems like political motivations why there is an issue this should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.109.96.114 (talk) 10:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

marked for deletion - why?

I find it very strange that this page was marked for deletion now, shortly after the scandal broke out. It is here for 6 years already. Kozka (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

All in favor of keeping this this article?

Aye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khimaris (talk • contribs) 18:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

budapest.info

Can someone tell me what's wrong with budapest.info? It is the only website available that gives near complete coverage of the murder. So what if it is Armenian, you can't discriminate against sources based on their origin. If you have any other concerns about it, I'm open to hearing you. George Spurlin (talk) 08:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Do not slander! My comment here. You know it. You can not forgotten that. --Esc2003 (talk) 09:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

This is also spoken by other users.(sumgait.info in Ramil Safarov and related articles) --Esc2003 (talk) 09:20, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Who and when did I slander? Do you have another website that gives this much information about the subject? George Spurlin (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

You says: the only reason that was given was because it was Armenian If no verifiable information in this website, more much information, who cares? --Esc2003 (talk) 10:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Since day one you have been attacking the site because it was Armenian, that's not slander, that's stating the facts. If you can't provide alternatives, why are you attacking the only available one? George Spurlin (talk) 11:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

My justification is obvious. Armenian or Azerbaijani does not matter to me. You can not close that subject to citing the excuse of discrimination or racism. I'm sorry, but attacker person is only you. Everyone understand my rationale (although my bad English). --Esc2003 (talk) 11:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

But you have numerous times pointed out that it was pro-Armenian. Please, if you can state what is wrong with the site, so we can discuss it. I'm sorry if you feel that I attacked you, I have no interest of attacking anyone. George Spurlin (talk) 14:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Merger

Currently both articles Gurgen Margaryan and Ramil Safarov are essentially about the murder case and related developments, such as international reactions. This leads to a duplication of effort. It is also contrary to WP:1E, which says: "When an individual is significant for his or her role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. ... The general rule in many cases is to cover the event, not the person." For these reasons, I propose merging both articles into a single one about the murder case,Murder of Gurgen Margaryan. That article would have subsections for the biographies of both men. Sandstein 08:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment The suggestion to move Ramil Safarov article to the proposed Murder of Gurgen Margaryan article has already been discussed and such move was rejected just 7 days ago. The suggestion to delete Gurgen Margaryan article has also been discussed and the desion to keep it was made only 9 days ago. --Daniel (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Oppose I would support the merger before the extradition, but since then both articles passed the WP:1E threshold. George Spurlin (talk) 10:12, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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