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:::I doubt that will happen. I know what you mean about incivility here, but it's actually not so bad as discussion sites on the internet, where people really say terrible things. One difficulty here is that Christians and probably conservatives too seem to be outnumbered, but at least there are rules here. And many times by discussing things with people you disagree with, even if it's not always polite, you learn things you wouldn't have. ] (]) 20:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC) :::I doubt that will happen. I know what you mean about incivility here, but it's actually not so bad as discussion sites on the internet, where people really say terrible things. One difficulty here is that Christians and probably conservatives too seem to be outnumbered, but at least there are rules here. And many times by discussing things with people you disagree with, even if it's not always polite, you learn things you wouldn't have. ] (]) 20:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
::::No doubt, there are discussion sites where members are more foul-mouthed. The problem here is that there is selective enforcement of rules against incivility. That's why they spoke elliptically about me instead of just using my name. That's why I can't speak bluntly about their sordid history. ] (]) 21:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC) ::::No doubt, there are discussion sites where members are more foul-mouthed. The problem here is that there is selective enforcement of rules against incivility. That's why they spoke elliptically about me instead of just using my name. That's why I can't speak bluntly about their sordid history. ] (]) 21:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
{{od}}I told you so. DRN is absolutely worthless. The moderators don't prevent personal attacks and they don't follow ]. ] (]) 11:27, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Human Rights in North Korea

Hey, just wanted to let you know that you probably should not be marking changes/revisions to articles as 'minor' when they are as substantial as the ones you made to the Human Rights in North Korea article! You should really only label revisions as 'minor' when you are doing something like fixing a spelling error or a capitalization error. As a general rule of thumb if you are adding or altering more than two words you shouldn't be marking your edits as minor! The Way (talk) 06:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

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Motion to Revoke Bond

It's here and here. Could you put my entry back and make the citations for me? I don't know how to make a citation yet. Oops. He reported it missing in 2004, not two weeks after the shooting. That will need to be corrected. Thanks.ArishiaNishi (talk) 08:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah... if it's being reported that way in multiple RSs, then we should just skip it. Thanks. ArishiaNishi (talk) 09:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Lol, I've been perusing numerous RSs this morning regarding the MRB, and they are not in agreement as to the court's response to the passport(s) allegation. Good call to withhold my entry. ArishiaNishi (talk) 15:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

More reliable sources for you

I suggest you undo your last edit, (cur | prev) 04:00, 18 June 2012‎ Psalm84 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (188,670 bytes) (+37)‎ . . (→‎Zimmerman's initial detention and release: added a phrase saying the info was from an ABC report because there doesn't seem to be any other evidence of it), and include some of these sources if you feel they are needed. More reliable sources for the investigator wanting to charge Z with manslaughter on the day of the incident ArishiaNishi (talk) 05:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

See your Talk page, if you haven't. All the articles refer to the one ABC News article so it's still one source. Psalm84 (talk) 09:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

sources

We (meaning the wikipedia community) don't consider Answers in Genesis, Creation worldview, evolution news to be reliable sources, please do not use them in articles. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello

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Shooting of Trayvon Martin June 2012

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This is what occurred, and my latest edit:
You made major changes to a section, including removing a phone call transcript and revising text. The section had been the way it was with only minor changes for months. I reverted and said it should be discussed first on the talk page.
Another editor partially reverted my edit, leaving the text changes but restoring the call transcript. You had started the talk discussion, and you reverted that editor, saying it should be discussed first. Your original edit is what should have been discussed first, however. The other editor removed what might be questionable, the text (even though it's been there months), and Talk discussion showed that the transcript was acceptable and another source, Mother Jones, could be given. Since the transcript wasn't objectionable I reverted to the version of the other editor. The consensus on the page seemed to be that the transcript should stay. One editor mentioned that some text added to the transcript, such as noting when sounds of a car door opening are heard, could be removed, but that is the only mention of it. And those things could just be removed, if you object to them. Psalm84 (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to post this also to your Talk page. Psalm84 (talk) 02:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I've addressed it on the talk page. You reverted the same info back in twice. The fact that there was an intervening edit does not matter. If 1RR is no longer the rule, so be it, but you made these reverts when other editors were right in the middle of discussing it, and you did not even bother commenting on the talk page. You should anticipate that such editing behavior is going to escalate the dispute. Take the time to actually consider my points about the transcript, rather than quickly reverting to your preferred version. Minor4th 03:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
No, I did not revert the same info twice. I reverted to Avanu's version which is only the transcript and which left your edits. And all the other editors have been for keeping the transcript, saying it's helpful and it isn't OR but WP:TRANSCRIPTION. One said that some added text could come out, but that isn't the same as removing the whole transcript. Psalm84 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

The other editors who were discussing this were in agreement that a different transcript without the commentary and timestamps should replace the one that was in the article. While this was being discussed you reverted and reinserted the same unacceptable transcript in 3 times. By anyone else's definition, those are reverts -- even if one of them was a partial revert. Now you're reverting basically every edit I make -- what's the deal?Minor4th 02:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

See here for examples of my edits your reverted today. Minor4th 02:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

How familiar are you with the different transcripts? As I said on the Talk page, the About.com transcript is taken from Mother Jones. No other editors have objected to its accuracy for as long as it's been in there or since you have been addressing it. No one is objecting to it being back in there now, too. What was agreed with was switching the source to Mother Jones, and it was done. And I re-added the transcript while removing the commentary and the timestamps which you objected to and which aren't part of the Mother Jones transcript.
"While this was being discussed you reverted and reinserted the same unacceptable transcript in 3 times."
As I mentioned above, it's not an unacceptable transcript. There haven't been any objections to it. The first revert was when I undid your original edit, explaining that it should be discussed since the transcript and a lot of text were removed and both had been acceptable for a long time. There wasn't any discussion at that point. The second time I restored Avanu's version which you had reverted, and which had only the transcript. And the third time, after you had removed the transcript again, I said that I would re-add the transcript after making the only changes that had support from another editor, about the extra commentary and timestamps, although another editor said they were acceptable.
On the more recent edits, one was a mistake. It also removed my own edits, too. The other two changes included false information. Another editor has just removed the whole paragraph involving it. In the other case, as I see you know now, Lee didn't take over in January 2011. I also don't agree that how he got the job is irrelevant. It's been reported a lot in connection with this case for a number of reasons. Psalm84 (talk) 04:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for restoring that. I don't know what happened that my edit removed it. Psalm84 (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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Christian Right

I see your editing the Christian Right. Have been doing some reading and wonder if its worth mentioned that those from the Christian Right are generally from rural areas and are less educated. Is this something that is general knowledge?Moxy (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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DRN

I'm on record saying DRN is basically worthless, and while I don't blame you for it, the DRN about Christian right has gone off the tracks. I'm done with it and I will not be bound by it. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 18:53, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I just posted a comment there. I don't see any reason to give up on it. This isn't an easy place because people often have very strong views and they're often not polite. It's often not easy to ignore that but it's the best thing to do. Editing won't work any other way. since this is a shared project Experience here so you start to really understand all the rules helps too. Even if something is true it's got to meet all the guidelines to be included. I think in this case the GOP connection is very obvious and strong, it's already strong in the article, and it's well-reported in sources, so it should end up being included. Psalm84 (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'm unwilling to go into a good-faith discussion when so many have shown bad faith, not mention incivility and personal attacks. If they want my participation, they can redact their nonsense. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I doubt that will happen. I know what you mean about incivility here, but it's actually not so bad as discussion sites on the internet, where people really say terrible things. One difficulty here is that Christians and probably conservatives too seem to be outnumbered, but at least there are rules here. And many times by discussing things with people you disagree with, even if it's not always polite, you learn things you wouldn't have. Psalm84 (talk) 20:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
No doubt, there are discussion sites where members are more foul-mouthed. The problem here is that there is selective enforcement of rules against incivility. That's why they spoke elliptically about me instead of just using my name. That's why I can't speak bluntly about their sordid history. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 21:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I told you so. DRN is absolutely worthless. The moderators don't prevent personal attacks and they don't follow WP:CLOSE. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 11:27, 18 September 2012 (UTC)