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Gjirokastër and Vlorë?

• Article: * In 1437 Teodor Korona Muzaka revolted in the region of Berat and peasant rebels were active in the regions of Gjirokastër and Vlorë.
• Source: * In 1437 another revolt broke out in the district of Berat, led by Theodor Korona Muzaka.

I haven't noticed that source mention Gjirokastër and Vlorë. Quote which supports Gjirokastër and Vlorë assertion is requested.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not going to copy 3 paragraphs, so you could buy the book, AGF and revert yourself as it appears in the previous citation too (Islami p.338: Situata politike në Shqipëri mbeti shpërthyese edhe gjatë gjysmës së dytë të viteve 30 të shek. XV, kur luftimet kishin pushuar. Në viset e Gjirokastrës e të Vlorës si dhe në zonat pranë qendrave ushtarake të pushtuara etj., qëndresa antiosmane vazhdoi në forma të tjera. etc.) In the regions of Gjirokastër and Vlorë etc.--— ZjarriRrethues —  23:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

No need to copy 3 paragraphs. Only quote from the page 65 of the work of Frasheri which supports the assertion about peasant rebels in the regions of Gjirokastër and Vlorë in 1437.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

As it isn't a freshman's paper I would have to copy ~3 paragraphs, so I'll add Islami as a second citation if you're so keen on the issue.--— ZjarriRrethues —  23:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

No. Please reply to my question and provide a quote from Frasheri's work that you used to support the above mentioned assertion. One sentence.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

(unindent)I gave you my explanation so either stop the WP:FORUM and add Islami too if you're truly concerned or WP:STICK. Enough said.--— ZjarriRrethues —  00:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Please present a quote from Islami's work which supports above mentioned assertion.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 00:08, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

?--— ZjarriRrethues —  06:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I think I found the complete paragraph on the internet.

• Islami source: "Situata politike në Shqipëri mbeti shpërthyese edhe gjatë gjysmës së dytë të viteve 30 të shek. XV, kur luftimet kishin pushuar. Në viset e Gjirokastrës e të Vlorës si dhe në zonat pranë qendrave ushtarake të pushtuara etj., qëndresa antiosmane vazhdoi në forma të tjera. Për të vendosur në to plotësisht pushtetin e vet, sulltan Murati II iu drejtua për ndihmë Venedikut. Kështu, në tetor të vitit 1436, një përfaqësues i sulltanit i kërkoi Republikës së Venedikut të ndëshkonte ata shqiptarë që, nga zotërimet e saj të Shkodrës, Pargës etj., sulmonin forcat osmane, si dhe të mos lejohej në to strehimi i dezertorëve të ushtrisë osmane."
• Machine translaton: "The political situation in Albania remained volatile during the second half of the 30 years of the century. XV, when the fighting had ceased. In Gjirokastra areas of Vlora and in areas near military centers occupied etc.., Anti-ottoman resistance continued in other forms.To decide to fully own power, Sultan Murad II was approached Venice. Thus, in October 1436, a representative of the Sultan asked the Venetian Republic to punish those Albanians who, from its dominions Shkodra, Pargës etc.., Attacked Ottoman forces, and not allowed to harboring army deserters Ottoman."

Is there any other quote from Islami's work which refers to the revolt of peasants of region Gjirokastra and Vlore in 1437 (which is after October 1436)? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't use quotes from languages which you don't speak as Islami isn't making a sequential statement, but if that was the issue you could correct it with a minor edit.--— ZjarriRrethues —  07:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The source (Islami 2002) in p. 338 (last paragraph) says: Situata politike në Shqipëri mbeti shpërthyese edhe gjatë gjysmës së dytë të viteve 30 të shek. XV, kur luftimet kishin pushuar. Në viset e Gjirokastrës e të Vlorës si dhe në zonat pranë qendrave ushtarake të pushtuara etj., qëndresa antiosmane vazhdoi në forma të tjera.. What user:Zjarrirrethues claims is alright. However the timing is not specifically 1437 but for the second part of fourth decade ("second half of the 30'" says the source specifically) , after the "main fights were over" so it means from 1436 and later on. Aigest (talk) 07:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• No. The above mentioned text was not supported with any of the two presented sources. None of the two sources contain any information about peasant rebels who were active in the regions of Gjirokastër and Vlorë in 1437. Frasheri, who was initially used as source, did not even mention it. Islami did mention it but within events before October 1436, in context which was already explained in the previous sentence.
• With this edits ZjarriRrethues tries to avoid removal of unreferenced wp:or. Until reliable source for 1437 activities of rebels in region of Gjirokaster and Vlore are presented this assertion should be removed. With latest edits of ZjarriRrethues the chronology of the events is distorted.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• The main battles ended in autumn 1436. Rebels were active in those regions afterwards (after autumn 1436). Do the math yourself. That edit is ok. Aigest (talk) 14:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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