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St. Clements University (Diploma mill)

I put that article up for afd at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/St. Clements University, and want to know if you can find some information about? I didn't really have any luck, as of now it fails WP:V. Arbusto 15:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

punctuation

I see that you are wikistalking me again and reverting my edits. The problem this time is that you are reverting in order to re-introduce puncuation errors that I fixed. I will assume good faith that you are doing so out of ignorance of proper use of punctuation, and when you blanked material in your rv here it was by accident. You should review the rules with comma, and stop wikistalking me. If you are not sure about the rules you should not revert others. I have reverted all your below reverts of me as they simply re-introduce the same punctuation errors:

03:02, 25 September 2006 (hist) (diff) m 2006 Thailand coup d'état (fix punctuation error) 02:53, 25 September 2006 (hist) (diff) m Walt Whitman (rv punctuation error) 02:51, 25 September 2006 (hist) (diff) m Norman Finkelstein (rv punctuation errors) 02:45, 25 September 2006 (hist) (diff) m Amy Goodman (rv punctuation error).Giovanni33 04:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Question on Crown College

I saw you did a lot of changes to the Crown College article, and it looks good. But I do have a question on the categories, you removed several of the categories, like "Christian universities and colleges", I guess this is a wiki policy question, but that seems to me to be appropriate, why do we get rid of it? Mgroop 13:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Question on Almeda University

Why would you invalidate true and factual information that is validated by accurate links? You are NOT NEUTRAL, but providing only the negative comments without providing a fair and factual representation. For example, the article about a dog getting an Almeda degree is completely inaccurate. According to the BBB, Almeda has rejected (turned down) over 90,000 applicants that didn't meet the requirements. Furthermore, Almeda requires a valid identification before it confers a degree. That article has been proven false several times as the author has failed to provide a copy of Rover's diploma even after numerous requests.
Next, Almeda was never closed down in Florida by legal action. The Oregon website quoted was wrong. The Florida news article quoted by Veronica was accurate. In it, it states that that in 2003, Almeda reached an agreement with the State of Florida to cease issuing degrees from within the state of Florida and to cease direct advertising to Florida residents. If you do some research, you will find this is accurate and your statement is false. There was never any legal action.
Now you are threatening to block this accurate information in favor of inaccuracies. What do you require as proof that your information is inaccurate?

The dog item getting a degree is not true. Perhaps I am biased, but you fail to give both sides of the Almeda argument. Only one. At least I give both sides. I am much more neutral than are you. Do you think everything in the newspaper is true? The news article has given no proof at all to the validity of the dog story. Did you know that when you get a degree from Almeda they validate your Identification? Do you want me to prove that? Where did the dog get his I.D.? It didn't happen. No "doggie diploma" has ever been produced because none exist. Yes, it has been requested numerous times. There's no doggie diploma issued by Almeda anywhere. Period!

Rebuttal,

Almeda University is a fraudulent Institution that has remain active because of loopholes in the law. The facts remain that they have no legal authority to operate as a University or to grant a legitimate college degree. Technically, as an unlicensed entity Almeda University is illegal in all States.

A few points to remember about Almeda University

1. Illegal in a dozen or more States. 2. Not registered as a legitimate College. 3. Not licensed as a legitimate College. 4. Not Bonded as an academic business because it is fake. 5. Has no legal authority to grant a real college degree. 6. Not recognized by the U.S. Dept. of Education, CHEA,

  or any of their organizations.  

7. BBB has constant problems validating information about Almeda University

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.102.54 (talk) 14:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

removal of content regarding Kepler College

Please stop removing legitimate, reliable content regarding the programs of study at Kepler College. If you don't agree with the existence of the college, that's fine, please add your opinions and comments under Criticism and Controversy. But please don't remove factual information and quotes, especially about the description and history of the college! Thank you, Gary Lorentzen

The material is unsourced ad copy rather than encyclopedic content. A.J.A. 15:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

While I understand your perspective – I acknowledge and agree that Lorentzen is certainly far from an impartial judge of the College or its article – I would appreciate it if you wouldn't slice out chunks of text with the summary 'rvv'. While the remarks may be biased in tone, they're certainly not vandalism. Please consider, instead, revising the section in question to include factual information couched in more neutral terms. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

No. A.J.A. 15:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

A.J.A., what do you mean it's 'unsourced ad copy'? I simply stated the facts about the founding of the college, its authorization and its mission. What source should I use to describe the college? I could copy and paste the actual catalogue description and history, and I'm authorized to do so, but a simple, short summary should suffice. True, I'm not 'unbiased.' I developed the curriculum and instructional designs and worked with the State for authorization. My post simply stated facts. I did shorten Enid Newberg's response to the criticism and controversy section--I didn't realize it was so long, sorry. But this section is for expressing opinions and pov's, is it not? As long as you keep deleting, I will keep posting. Gary Lorentzen

A.J.A., please stop edit warring at Kepler College, and please refrain from using edit summaries that imply the other party is a vandal. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you TenOfAllTrades! Although I doubt A.J.A. will stop... Gary Lorentzen

AJ

AJ, It seems that we have been butting heads, so to speak, in certain articles. I would like to take this opportunity to open up a dialogue and see if we can come to some sort of reconciliation. I am under the impression that you consider my changes either malicious or, at the least, nefarious. Let me just assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. Furthermore, let me here say that I thoroughly appreciate your spirited contributions to wikipedia, and I do look forward to working with you in collaboration. I especially am thankful that you are so knowledgeable in Calvinism and Reformed Christianity, and I think this knowledge can only help the articles we work on. I will also say that I am a bit puzzled that we have so butted heads, even more so now that I have read your bio, since we are really so similar. Christian, pro life, you take the Bible seriously, — you even like coffee. I was raised in Dixie, both in Virginia and the Deep South, so (if I may venture) I am familiar and comfortable with the same culture and values that you exhibit. Our only real difference seems to be that I am Catholic, but I will say that I find myself far more comfortable with Reformed Protestants than liberals who fancy themselves as "catholics". So, at any rate, I really think we can work together, and I would like to try and come to a fresh understanding of each other and our past differences. Lostcaesar 11:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Good idea on the templates; it will take some time to implement but it seems like the best solution. I appreciate the kind words you had for me, and look forward to collaboration with you. Please don't stop keeping me honest. Your comments on my summary of Calvin were indeed off, he was speaking of the source of the authority of scripture more than interpretation, and I mistook the passage in question. I think my mistake was the source of much of our confusion in this instance. Lostcaesar 21:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

Please stop using vandalism templates and vandalism-related edit summaries in point-of-view and neutrality disputes.

You have been blocked for 24 hours; longer blocks will follow if you can't be civil in editing disputes. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

oops

I did not mean to rv the wording, my apologies. Lostcaesar 17:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Your protection request

Sorry, but I'm not convinced semiprotection would be the legitimate thing to do here at this point (WP:SEMI). Can you find other ways of dealing with it? As long as it's still on the level of a "normal" content dispute and not an extremely fast revert war, semi is really not the way to go. But please let me know if things get more disruptive. Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Huckabee, yet again.

I've refuted your allegations of Plagarism. A comaprison of WIkipedia's 3 Jun 2006 version to that on that other site, which was last edited 4 Jun 2006, shows that they took Misplaced Pages's copy, replaced some proper noun 'Huckabee's with pronouns 'him' or 'he', as appropriate, and then posted it. They ripped off Misplaced Pages, not the other way around. I asked you a week ago to follow up on this. As you chose not to, I have. ThuranX 18:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No reply or response to my investigation of plagarism, and no replies nor help on the article. I am finding that I can no longer assume good faith regarding your participation in this article. You've been asked to be clear and asked for specific information on the talk page multiple times. Both ai.kefu and myself have tried to engage you on the talk page, but your only reply is essentially a big flipping of the bird. You dismiss anything we say as either ignoring your points, which, in fact, were all addressed, or by claiming we're out to get Huckabee. You ignore us in favor of essentially vandalizing the page. Either start working on building the section, or admit your bias against anything disparaging to Huckabee, or just leave the page alone. But continuing your vandalisms is unacceptable. You need to respond on the Talk Page to the comments left for you regarding your criticisms. ThuranX 22:51, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

The atmosphere at the Christianity talk page

Hi, I wonder if I could persuade you, as a gesture of goodwill, to go back to the Christianity talk page and strike through or otherwise modify your comments. Things can get quite heated on the talk pages of controversial articles, and sometimes when you're frustrated, speaking your mind may seem to make things better for you in the short term, but in the long term, it can be counterproductive. And in any case, it was most unfair to include SOPHIA among those who "hate Christians", when she actually restored the text of the Creed, and tried to calm things down after the "prayers are offensive" remark, and when (you may not know this) she was extremely helpful and concerned last Easter when some Christian editors from the Christianity article became victims of some very nasty stalking, wich their real identities (contact details, etc.) posted on some website. If you think that SOPHIA's edits are motivated by hatred for Christians, you're the only Christian editors who thinks so. "Hate" is such a strong word, suggesting that someone is consumed with a desire to hurt and destroy, that I'd hesitate to use it about any of our editors. There are undoubtedly some editors who believe that Christianity is the root of all evil, and I suppose we just have to try and show them (as far as possible, without turning Misplaced Pages into a debating forum) that they're wrong.

Anyway, if you could soften your remarks, that would be appreciated. The people with opposing views probably feel that they're right just as much as you or I might feel that we are, and a provocative remark will invite a provocative response, making it difficult to keep the discussion on topic. I'm not going to vote either, by the way. Musical Linguist 00:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

A.J.A., I specifically requested on the Christianity talk page last night that there would be no reference, direct or indirect, to past misbehaviour of any editor, unless there was evidence that the misbehaviour was continuing. I'm a little distressed to see this. As far as I recall, last summer, when Giovanni was facing the possibility of a community ban, and I and others agreed to a last chance, I gave some kind of undertaking to Giovanni that if the puppetting stopped, we would not use it against him. It was for that reason that I suggested, and other admins agreed, that the puppeteer tag should be removed from his user page, in order to make it easier for him to make a fresh start.

I suppose that the assurance I gave Giovanni was not mine to give. I could only speak for myself, in promising that there would be no ungenerous references to past incidents, no attempts to humiliate him in front of new users. I suppose the reason I felt safe making that promise was that the people who were opposing Giovanni were Christians, whom I felt I knew. It's disappointing to see that I was mistaken, and that even after a night's sleep, and time to cool down, you are still posting things that make the situation worse. The reference yesterday to "Storm Rider the Mormon" could be taken as quite offensive; certainly, it's clear that you didn't mean it as a compliment or as a neutral observation. And in bringing up another user's history of puppeting, despite the fact that that behaviour has stopped, you also took the opportunity to make a snide remark about Mormonism.

I asked Str1977 to stay away from the page where so many inflammatory posts were being made, and he agreed. When he came back the next day, he apologized for his part in adding fuel to the flames. Agathoclea made the same request of Giovanni, and he agreed. Sophia, who had not been disruptive in any way, also said she would take a break from that page. In recent months, we have all worked together well, so I was hopeful that when people had had time to calm down, this would blow over. I do appreciate the small gesture you made, in at least changing "hate Christians" to "hate Christianity", though I feel that what you changed it to is still unjust and unnecessary. I would love if you could bring yourself to remove your last comment, but even if you can't I would earnestly request you not to post any more of the same. The preview button is a great way to help editors not to post inflammatory stuff. I use it myself, when I'm annoyed with another editor; it helps me not to post things that will make the situation worse. Musical Linguist 02:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

A.J.A., I don't recall what I said to Giovanni at the time, and I don't have time to go looking for diffs. I certainly didn't make an explicitly-worded promise about exactly what people would or wouldn't say, on behalf of people who should have been consulted. I was, at the time, sending a few private e-mails to other editors. Suffice it to say that I would have felt comfortable in saying that I felt that my fellow Christians (and my fellow admins) would not stoop to taunting, or to making ungenerous references to something that I hoped would become a part of the past, and which, I think, has become a part of the past. It is indeed sad that I should be proved to be wrong in saying that Christians would not engage in such pettiness. I suggest that your inflammatory posts are likely to cause more damage to Christianity than Giovanni's annoying edits about Christianity being a self-styled monotheistic religion based on stories about a character called Jesus. Certainly, they are more damaging to Christianity than the removal of the Creed (replaced by a link to the full text) from the article would be, because they make Christians (and consequently Christianity) look bad — look really bad, in fact. I can assure you that "Storm Rider the Mormon", as you so insultingly called him, and Sophia, the atheist who "hates Christianity", as you also said (have you ever looked into the help she gave to Christians who were being stalked last Easter?), would never do what you have been doing in the last two days. I ask you to consider:

1. Have your recent posts to Talk:Christianity been in accordance with what you feel Jesus would want?
2. Do they make Christians and Christianity look good?
3. Are they helpful in calming down the situation so that we can all start working together again?
4. Do they have any advantage (other than perhaps giving you some kind of release from feelings of irritation) that you feel outweighs the disadvantage of offending others?

I really hope that you'll agree to stop making derogatory remarks about non-Christians, regardless of your opinions of them. I'm not going to take any admin action on a page I'm active at, but another admin might become interested in this squabble, and I can tell you that people have been blocked for less. Please, don't let it come to that. I think the atheists are big enough to let this blow over and make a new effort to work together, so the question is: are the Christians? Musical Linguist 22:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Curious about Huckabee edits

It seems like there were a few POV eidts in your large edit of the Huckabee article. I am curious as to the intent of the mass change and POV statements added in? Thanks - Eisenmond 20:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

3RR

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Request reason:

I know of no report other than a false one placed on the noticeboard. I did review the edit history and if you ignore the fact that "Reverting unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material about living persons" is exempt, it was a technical violation. But 1) you shouldn't ignore that (indeed, suggesting that I review a policy you need to review is insulting) and 2) blocks are supposed to be preventative rather than punitive, and there can be no reasonable preventative justification for this block. (Ed. to add: I'm not the only editor who's concluded the content falls into that category .)

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Malhotra

Why did you revert my edits on Malhotra? They were in good faith. The version you reverted to contains absolutely unsourced lies about Malhotra's being descendents of the Hindu Lord Yudhishtira, who is revered by most Hindus as a symbol of the ideal Hindu. You would thus understand the motives for wanting to say that all Malhotras are descendants of Yudhistira. The article also contains emphasis on the presence of an elite Dhai Ghar which rules over all other Kshatriya (rulers and warriors) in Punjab. This is unsourced and I believed Misplaced Pages relied on it's most basic policies like WP:RS, thus I am most disappointed and disconcerted by your revert. The version you reverted to also contains the names of non-notable people who's EXISTENCE is not even referenced. My version, if you check, contains only sourced and verifiable facts. I will not revert you for now because I want no conflict, but I would aks you to review your revert and revert yourself. dishant 07:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply - Edits by Dishant55555

The edit by A.J.A removed edits by Dishant55555 which a number of users have put down as Vandalism by Dishant55555. The article mention's a Dhai Gar but does not as you claim, say they rule over everyone in Punjab, but it is a prominent grouping within the Khatri caste and does not give it undue note. This existance of this is clearly a historical fact (Google has 1,600 articles on it)

I have checked your other edits and note that you have made claims that Luthra 's (the page referes to Dishant55555 as Dishant Luthra) ruled over India with the Gupta's, and that Luthra occupy the senior army ranks and are ruling class, for which there are no sources. This is in clear violation of Misplaced Pages policies.

I note that Dishant55555 having repeatedly undone reverts from other users who have removed people who are clearly not prominent as per wiki guidelines indeed none of those listed appear to fulfil wiki guidelines -

Please see wiki notes on editing articles where you may have a conflict of interest such as a family link.

For example - You have repeatedly entered a Semma Luthra - as a politician - who another user has deleted as not being prominent citing that the link you have provided shows she is one of the losing politicians in a small municipal election.

Wiki guidelines state to enter a politician they must -

   * Politicians:
         o Politicians who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislatures.5
         o Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.4
         o Just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability.

Dishant55555 please familiarise yourself with wiki guidelines before undoing other user edits.

I don't have time to reply right now and so I won't revert either. But when I do get time I will give you an explanation and will revert. Regards. dishant 09:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on DaGizzas talk page. dishant 04:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Accreditation Governing Commission of the United States of America

An editor has nominated Accreditation Governing Commission of the United States of America, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. --Orange Mike 16:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

User Philosopher1

FYI, User:Philosopher1 who has been vandalizing Christianity is a suspected sock puppet of the notorious Maleabroad, whose exploits are documented at: User:Abecedare/Maleabroad. He has a long pattern of religious hatred and those who are disrupted by his continuous new socks are encouraged to report new incidents so he can be quickly identified and controlled. Due to extreme pressure on him from within the Hinduism project he appears to be moving out to secondary targets, and I believe that Christianity has been vandalized in connection with that. If you wish to help with control of this vandalism don't hesitate to post new evidence. Buddhipriya 19:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

re: persons

Hi there AJA,

I think my point in using the word person in reference to Jesus was in the broader context of mixing possibly disparate meanings and definitions in the article as a whole, i.e. ascension, assumption, translation, especially in relation to the search for a name for this article.

To say that Jesus and Mohamed and Appolonius were the same type of being experiencing the same type of journey to the same place is not supportable, in my view. Further, to state in the context of this encyclopedic article, that God the Father is a person in the same mannner that a mortal being is a person would be wrong. I also think that is very clear from the context of my note.

I am assuming in good faith here, in that I think Jesus is very important to you, that you are not just trolling to find someone to dispute with. I also stated that I use Judeo/Christian terminology to explore my own spiritual beliefs (including the term Docetism), but made no claim to being a Christian or representing the beliefs of that faith.

If the meaning and intent of my note is still unclear to you, let me know.

If you have any suggestions for the title of the article that resolve the problems I set out, please add them to the discussion.

If the rightness or wrongness of my personal beliefs is a concern of yours, please ponder it in the stillness of your heart.

Have a nice day, killing sparrows 19:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

It would have been more useful to keep the conversation on the Talk page.

In any case, you're quite wrong in your claims about usage. "Person" is the word for the Father and a human, and is used in the same sense. It doesn't mean "human". They had words for that, anthropos or homo. Hypostasis and persona were coined specifically to include both human and divine persons, and our "person" is a direct cognate of persona.

You did claim to represent the beliefs of Christianity. A.J.A. 20:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi there AJA,

The only references I have made to my beliefs are as follows...

'Being raised in a Western/Christian culture, as I assume most of us are (whether we are 'believers' or not), it is easy to assume that 'heaven' is a universal concept, but is that really the case?'

and...

'For the record, and totally irrelevant to the discussion, I use Chrisian/Jewish terminolgy to explore my own beliefs, such as they are. I think there is Something. Maybe.'

and the only claim I made as to what viewpoint I represent was...

'We are not writing an article for any smaller subset than humanity, it should be just as NPOV viewed by Christian, Muslim, Taoist or Atheist, or those in the embrace of the Noodly Appendages of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.'

As for my claim to be a confirmed Docetist, note the smiley face at the end of the paragraph. You may interpret this as my attempt to bring a bit of lightness into this discourse and at the same time recognize and appreciate your obvious familiarity with the deeper theological issues involved, which deeper issues, while valid, are irrelevant to the issue of the difficulties in naming this article.

...thus I find your claim of what I represent unsupported.

I do claim that I have enough knowledge of Christianity to say that these terms and persons have debatable, disparate meanings and natures, and that grouping them together presents a difficulty in the naming of this article. Which is what I was trying to spell out in the original post.

If you cannot see my point, then fine. If you think that all are the same in all charactaristics and all experienced the same event and went to the same destination in the same way and thus it is perfectly valid to group them all in the same article under any title, fine. State this in the discussion on naming.

As to moving the conversation here, we are not talking about the article, you are quibbling over my usage of the word person, my concerns over which I believe are clearly spelled out as relating to the context of this article and the potential ambiguities it introduces in defining the article and the criteria for inclusion in it.

Have a nice day! --killing sparrows 22:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You said "This is a theological term with a precise meaning in the Christian faith", and then go on to offer a badly misleading summary of what, according to you, Jesus is believed to be "in the faith". That a misrepresentation of the beliefs of Christianity, and every misrepresentation includes, at least implicitly, a false claim to accurate representation.

If you don't know and refuse to learn what we mean by "person", you don't have enough knowledge of Christianity to describe fine differences in the terms, especially since you based your fine distinction on Jesus not being a person. A.J.A. 22:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi there AJA,

We seem to have come to the point of what is nearly an uncivil dispute and for my part in that I apologize. I do see the point you are making regarding my errors in defining some terminology and beliefs, and in defense can only say again, I wasn't trying to precisely delineate the terms or concepts as much as I was trying to point out that there exists an issue in regards to naming.

I see from your edit history that you have made many valuable contributions to Misplaced Pages over a long period of time and I respect that and hope that as time goes by I can be as valuable to the project as you have been. I also see that we share many interests, although my short tenure here and smaller edit history will not reflect that.

I enjoy lively debate and would love to sit down and talk with you over a few beers and discuss life, the universe and everything, it is so rare to find someone who even knows what Docetism is!

I hope there are no hard feelings and that you can help with the naming issue if you are interested and that we get a chance to work together in the future in some positive way!

Have a nice day!killing sparrows 23:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category renaming vote

Please see Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_4#Changing_nomination. --Flex (talk|contribs) 00:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

WP Christianity

Hi, I saw your name on the WikiProject Christianity Membership page.

I've made some changes to the WP Christianity main project page, added several sup-project pages, created a few task forces section, and proposed several more possible changes so that we can really start making some serious progress on the project. Please stop by and see my comments on the project talk page here and consider joining a task force or helping out with improving and contributing to our sub-projects. Thanks for your time! Nswinton 13:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted two of your edits. 1) Please do not remove the alternate identity of Abaddon, it is not up to you to decide what Jehovahs witnesses believe and it is the only belief on the identity of Abaddon that is not demonic, and 2) Please do not redirect an article into another, Jehovah into Yahweh without discussion and concensus, these articles are not the same. thank you Ice9Tea 13:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reversion to the Abaddon article. Unfortunately it appears that Ice9Tea believes that NPOV means that only the minority JW position should be published and not the majority Christian position. 66.177.5.252 05:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

please stop redirecting the article Jehovah

it does not belong in Yahweh, it is a peparate article Ice9Tea 04:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Tetragrammaton

There are, of course, two issues: (1) whether there should be two articles on the Tetragrammaton and (2) where the edit history should be (with the Tetragrammaton or the Transcriptions of the Tetragrammaton article.

Assuming for a minute that there should be two articles, why do you think the edit history should be with the Tetragrammaton article and not the Transcriptions of the Tetragrammaton article? I actually thought about this and figured that there was more content about the transcriptions than anything else and so I decided that the edit history should go with Transcriptions of the Tetragrammaton.

What is your thinking on this issue?

--Richard 04:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

A person looking for the history of how Misplaced Pages has covered the Tetragrammaton will look at that article's history, not at a sub-article's history. A.J.A. 05:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Jehovah's Witnesses

Are you comfortable with the "footnote solution" proposed by Matt Britt over at Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses?

Since you were an active participant in the discussion, it would be good to get your input on this proposal.

--Richard 16:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Yahweh (disambiguation)

Please see my comment at Talk:Jehovah#Disambiguation_pages --Tikiwont 07:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Christianity and Buddhism

Hi A.H.A. Unilaterally destroying a 50Kb article just because you think it is POV is really not a solution on Misplaced Pages. Please discuss, modify and build on other's work rather than erase it all. There are a lot of references in there which cannot be denied (although I agree the article content is far from perfect). Thank you to respect other's work (of which I am only a very little part in this case). PHG 18:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

You are not "salvaging" anything by transforming this article into a meaningless stub. Honestly, it seems your only interest is in deleting any references to parallels and interactions between Christian and Buddhism. Why? Why delete parallel quotes, and even delete indisputable information such as the history of the Greco-Buddhist interaction and the embassies of Ashoka? PHG 19:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

POV pushing

aja, your opinion that revelation 9:11 specifically identifies Abaddon as a demon has been shown to be untrue. your belief that Jehovahs witness beliefs can be accurately stated in a publication called "Jehovahs Witness doctrine of deception" is POV. I will be asking for mediation on the Abaddon page. --Ice9Tea 14:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

On second thought I believe we can work this disagreement out between the two of us. please join me on the Abaddon talk page. thanks --Ice9Tea 14:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

AJA erasing content from your talk page proves nothing. but your calling me a heretic shows that you have bias against Jehovahs Witnesses. it shows in your editing. please remove the attacks from the pages abaddon and apollyon.Ice9Tea 11:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you AJA, with your suggestions the article Abaddon is starting to look better. Wonderpet 20:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

A.J.A. please discontinue reverting for the purpose of linking to anti JW websites, if you wish to do legitimate wikipedic editing pleaselearn to go about it properly, especially learn about NPOV and Libel. Wonderpet 00:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The Devil Discussion

I think we've fairly well established that you personally disagree with statements I make and then your brain shuts. It's not worth responding to one another. MerricMaker 14:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It isn't particularly difficult to refute something which tells me either you disagree with, or are unfamiliar with the sources I cite, but which makes no substantive evaluation. Also, I find that I must sheepishly apologize for my previous response to you. Your handle is very much like someone I had dealt with in the past, who was rather a jackass, sorry to respond thinking that you were he. That aside, simply because you haven't heard the argument before, or because you say it's being developed on-the-fly does not mean its resources aren't valid or that it isn't a coherent position. Make a constructive evaluation and I'll be glad to hear it. MerricMaker 14:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

we can agree

It is a good edit on Abaddon, fair and not riddled with anti jehovahs witness web links. We do agree on most of the edits you make, such as your edit to 3 (number) which personifies God as opposed to the wording you replaced which tended to make Him less of a person and more of a thing. Your current version of Abaddon is the one I will defend. Wonderpet 19:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Christianity and Buddhism

FYI, I have posted a message on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents asking for a neutral admin to look into your blanking/stubbification of this article. Since you don't think my opinion is valid, it's time we brought a neutral third party in to help us resolve this.

--Richard 06:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I have looked over the matter briefly. I have no comment to make on the various referenced claims, nor their reliability, as this constitutes content dispute. I would comment, however, that I consider reducing the article to a stub as per your edit here is inappropriate. There are various avenues to address content disputes, with the article talkpage being the primary location. I suggest you take your concerns there. In the meanwhile please do not drastically alter the article without consensus. LessHeard vanU 10:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Over ten reversions?

I fail to see how I have done over ten reversions — I reverted your edits twice. Once because you removed an administrative tag without a valid reason, and one more time because you reinserted two links to blogs without a valid reason. If you want to take it to AN/3RR, be my guest. But I doubt they will see it the same way you have put it on my talk page.

Oh, and please remember,

Hi. I noticed that you transcluded or substituted a template to respond to or notify a regular editor with whom you disagree. The main purpose of many of these templates is to inform the receiver of policy (e.g., that there is a numerical limit to reversion on content of an article within a time period, that personal attacks or vandalism can result in a block, that they can edit a page constructively without permission, etc.) It is likely that this editor knows this, and if he or she has breached or ignored these, please respond with a personal message. Thanks! Silly rabbit 20:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Category query

Hi AJA. I was wondering, what is your take on the AFA category problem? Hal Cross 04:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Ezekiel comment

Can you explain your random comment about Ezekiel and excrement you inserted in the Talk: Christianity page? I hesitate to delete things from a discussion page without making sure it's vandalism or something else... --Anietor 02:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Got it! Thanks for clarifying. Good job pointing out a few of the problems with the essay! Cheers. --Anietor 03:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Good to see someone else noticed that there was something off with that essay. I have an odd feeling, however, that Gio is going to fight tooth and nail to keep that flaming piece of OR on the external links, though. Djma12 04:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Jan de Bakker#Heretical

Removal of the term Heresy from the Jan de Bakker article is inappropriate. There is a lengthy discussion about this issue on the talk page. In de 16th century "heresy" was a crime, and could have severe consequences, including capital punishment. The circumstances and nature of this "crime" are clearly explained in the main article, and in even more detail on the talk page. Furthermore, the sources on which this article is based all use the word "heresy" as well. JdH 18:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Mao

Hello A.J.A. I am RS2007. I am an atheist. However, I respect the views of religious believers. And, I don’t say anything bad about religion. Would you call Hitler a Christian thinker or activist? No. Similarly, we atheist don't call Mao an atheist thinker or activist. Mao was against religion because he saw religion as a rival power. Please respect the views of atheists. Thank you. RS2007 05:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

A.G.A, there is no need for an argument. You are a Christian and I respect your religious views. Regards, RS2007 04:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Our Exchanges

Yet again, while trying to have a productive discussion you have misunderstood everything I say. You label opinions as liberal or fashionable and scuttle any possibility to productively exchange information. A.J.A., it is amazing to me that you misinterpret everything that I post, then format responses to address things I have never said and opinions I have never expressed. Apparently you prefer discussions in which the opinions of your discussion partners are those which you ascribe to them in error. For example, merely because I point out that there are only three statements about pederasty in the New Testament does not indicate my wish to ignore the book--something which you seem to think I imply. It is an indication that the authors and editors of the New Testament appeared to think that three references were plenty. Consider those three references to pederasty, then consider how many references are made to loving one's enemies, gaining new life in Christ, and generally transforming former modes of being by incorporating oneself into the Christian life. The point is to make stories in scripture into our own stories by schooling ourselves in the historical and cultural context from which they come, not ignoring them. What enables you misunderstand me so fully, I think, is that you’ve labeled me. It is because of this sort of petty unwillingness to hear others that Misplaced Pages remains in the realm of the mundane and does not constitute a legitimate source for citation. MerricMaker 03:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I simply felt that a discussion of this sort had no proper place at its previous venue. You evaluate this relocation (something I did out of propriety) as being some sort of underhanded tactic, further suggesting that this discussion is beneath you, since your partner in the discussion is obviously willing to stoop to such dishonorable tactics as forcing you to look at your talk page. I realize something. I wonder if it could be this simple? Is the source of your disagreement with me, which invariably occurs around scripture, be that you find any form-critical evaluation of scripture to be abhorrent?

I state, more or less, that the New Testament only mentions pederasty three times and that this is representative of its editors and author’s lack of concern with the matter. You take this to indicate an utter disregard for the New Testament. Pederasty was indeed not the subject of the previous discussion, but that is the direct translation of the word used in the Greek text, since Greek uses no other word. Therefore, if one talks about what the New Testament says about homosexuality, one must first address that issue of vocabulary. This is a form-critical evaluation of scripture.

I state that after Nicea set the Biblical Canon, male dominated culture continued to dominate Christianity and read scripture so as to suit themselves best; that is, using it to justify slavery, beating their wives, and so on. You take this to indicate that I believe an editorial conspiracy took place at Nicea, somehow producing an inaccurate representation of Jesus. You simultaneously intimate that I am a conspiracy theorist; therefore both I and my line of thinking are implied to be spurious. There are many hundreds of apocryphal texts and gospels in the document rooms of Harvard, Cambridge, and several other places besides, which were considered for the Bible, but not included in the final text, see Pagels, The Gospel of Thomas. This does not represent a lack of abundance, and thus evidence of a conspiracy. It represents nothing more than the fact that an editorial board did some woodsheding. This is a historical-critical evaluation which draws on form criticism.

Is it that you believe the Bible is perfect, and that any criticism of scripture is, by necessity, an invalidation of the text in total? Whatever the case, and I no longer care, thank you for demonstrating my point again. To be fairly rude, you're just not worth the energy if you can't be bothered to understand me and only reply with: "no, it's you who don't understand me" or, "no, it's you who are intolerant." MerricMaker 23:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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Huckabee...

Why was the tax and immigration information completely deleted? It was not moved to any subarticles as claimed. It is not my responsibility to integrate it in the article when someone else deleted it. I believe you removed it so please fix it. I didn't rearrange any sentences, I just copied and pasted it from the original criticism section.

Jeremy221 (talk) 21:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Your link doesn't work. I didn't say you moved it. I said "I believe you removed it." I was just a little irritated the information was removed. Anyways, I added the info back to the appropriate section and hopefully the Huckabee article has been fixed.

Merry Christmas,

Jeremy221 (talk) 22:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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Hi A.J.A., I was just wondering why you believe that your religion is the right one. I’d like to get a discussion going. Get back to me. All the best. MagicBullet5 (talk) 17:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008

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Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue VIII - July 2008 Project news We now have 53 featured articles 6 featured lists, and 130 good articles, with the recent promotions of Thomas Cranmer to FA class, List of encyclicals of Pope John XXIII to FL status, and Hugh de Puiset to GA level. Thanks to all those who worked on these articles! Portal:Lutheranism has been created, and other portals are being discussed. Please feel free to take part in the discussion at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. Member news The project currently has 239 members, 10 joined & 1 leavers since the start of June 2008. Other news Thomas S. Monson is currently a Good Article nominee. Related projects news New Projects and/or work groups have been proposed for Christian theology and Christian denomations. Christianity related news Former science director sues Texas over intelligent design e-mail Mormon church warns Wikileaks over documents From the Members Welcome to the Eighth issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. As many of you will know, we currently have several articles relating to the same basic topics. The articles in the Category:Baptism are one example of such. It is really in the interests of all of us to try to place as much content in the main article of such topics, and then have the other articles "branch off" from there and making the central article as good an article as possible. We also now have a proposal for a new general "Christianity" related award, similar to the Military history project's chevrons, at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. John Carter (talk), Lead Coordinator Newsletter challenge Last month's new article challenge, Church of Daniel's Band, was begun by User:Jack1956 and was included in the Main page's DYK section on June 15. Thank you to Jack1956 for his great work on creating this article! This month's article is Amended Christadelphians. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here.

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Large text removal at Sarah Palin

Why did you remove about half of the Sarah Palin article? Superm401 - Talk 05:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop deleting large portions (about half) of the Sarah Palin article. A case could be made that it is vandalism. Drawn Some (talk) 05:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it can't. Pay attention next time. A.J.A. (talk) 05:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you would be less likely to confuse people if you didn't use blank or misleading edit summaries. Superm401 - Talk 05:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I demand you justify the accusation that my edit summaries are misleading. A.J.A. (talk) 05:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleting half of the article is not "minor cleanup", regardless of the reason. Superm401 - Talk 05:18, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't delete any of the article. I just made it so that there's only one of it. A.J.A. (talk) 05:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

You duplicated the article, then deleted the half you duplicated. If you had explained that in the first edit, there wouldn't have been a misunderstanding. Superm401 - Talk 05:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Which is simple cleanup and I'm allowed to say so in my edit summary. Your accusation is baseless. A.J.A. (talk) 05:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Removing half a medium-sized article and calling it "minor cleanup" is not fooling anyone. Drawn Some (talk) 05:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Pay attention. A.J.A. (talk) 05:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Is it time to report GreekParadise for 3rr yet? Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 09:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

You and Kyaa have no right to remove sourced material. You cannot deny Buchanan said Palin was in her campaign. You can hear his voice in the source. PLEASE STOP PUTTING POV IN THE PALIN ARTICLE! If you have a contrary source, post it. If you have a better way of expressing it, fine. But Buchanan said she was a supporter (a "brigader") and Palin hasn't as of yet denied it. (And if she does, you can state that too.) If either of you report me, I will report you both, because both of you have done 3rr. And AJA, apparently you have a history of removing sourced material from the Sarah Palin article. Please stop this vandalism. If you have a contrary source, you are welcome to include it. But this is supposed to be an objective source not a place to express political views. If we have to, we can put it to the wikipedians for a vote. I'm confident I'll win because you cannot deny the source. If you feel the need to revert one more time, let's instead ask the administrators to resolve the issue.GreekParadise (talk) 09:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Palin removal

Please edit the library entry to remove slant rather than questioning the validity of nationally known source research. -Gych (talk) 06:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Debunked?

Assuming you're referring to the censorship claims, it's a notable story in a reliable source. I have no problem with you finding other viewpoints and nuance, but you can't just remove it because you think someone is going to ride in and "debunk" it. The basic facts are unlikely to change (firing/rehiring, statements she made at public meetings, statements made in "The Frontiersman") indicating it's not an imaginary story. Superm401 - Talk 08:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. We don't have to wait for The Truth®. If it's a current, verifiable viewpoint in a reliable (reliable does not mean perfect) source, it should be included. You would certainly be wise to be skeptical when reading any political article, here or elsewhere. That does not mean we can't include anything negative. Superm401 - Talk 08:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

How did you turn "You would certainly be wise to be skeptical" into "I'm NEVER entitled to be skeptical."? Superm401 - Talk 19:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Question/request

Is this edit even remotely appropriate? I know it's intended as sarcasm, but sarcasm does not carry well over text and it could be construed as a serious comment about the image. You wouldn't mind removing/rewording it, would you? --Bobblehead 22:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I suppose I could remove the edit as a BLP violation, just figured you'd like to do it yourself... --Bobblehead 22:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Bobblehead 22:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Please don't revert my edits without giving a reason

See http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary

If you have a problem with them, say so on the talk page.

Thank you!GreekParadise (talk) 20:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

art and lit people hate infoboxes

Re Calvin: art and lit people hate infoboxes. You're climbing into a box of ornery street cats by placing one on the article.. are you trying to standardize articles on a religious theme? I would oppose the move as well. "Calvinism" is not "Calvin" and vice versa. Ling.Nut 15:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, many folks hate infoboxes. They have their own little secret handshake and all. If you wanna put one on the article, you should create a horizontal version and put in the the See Also... Ling.Nut 15:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

There are, I assume, many articles that are subtopics of Calvinism, and which could safely and appropriately be graced by the presence of an infobox in the lead. But "Calvin" is not a subtopic of "Calvinism". Ling.Nut 15:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to wait for others to weigh in (unless they think my revert settles the matter). You will probably find yourself at odds with...mmmm... many folks who are probably major contributors to the article. Besides, he is not a subtopic of his own thought. Ling.Nut 15:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

To the best of my recollection, I haven't contributed at all, so it's hard for me to own it. I suppose I may have made one or two copy edits, but I don't recall doing so. No, I'm opposed based on the logic of categorization as stated above. It's also based on a prediction that others will also oppose, and may not be polite when doing so. Sorry. Ling.Nut 15:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

(undent) I suppose you've seen RHB's reply. That reply shows that 1) it is not my personal, isolated, idiosyncratic view, and 2) the logic I gave was correct: Calvin is in fact a subtopic of theologians but not of Calvinism. But art and lit folks hate all such boxes, regardless of classificatory schemes. I am not arging with you, I promise. I'm trying to persuade you. I'll drop totally out of the discussion... Ling.Nut 15:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Buddhism and Christianity

See ammunition supplied. However, I have to warn you that I've been unable to find an effective procedure in Misplaced Pages for getting its content policies enforced. If you can find one, please let me know. Peter jackson (talk) 09:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Re that - you could always ask me. Charles Matthews (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - April 2009

The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue VII - April 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 65 FAs, 7 FLs, and 146 GAs. That is a wonderful number, particularly of the GAs. Thanks to all those who worked on these articles! Secisek was interviewed by the Misplaced Pages Signpost in their 9 March 2009 issue here. Thank you for your great work in getting more attention to the project! Member news Our membership continues to expand. We are currently at a stunning 278 registered members. A profound thank you to all of you. Without your support and work, this project, and wikipedia itself, would not exist. Other news We have recently started a separate subpage of the project dedicated to keeping the members informed of the latest activities regarding FA and GA status, requests for peer review and comment, proposed deletions, and other article related activity. That information can be found at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Article alerts. Please feel free to look at the page frequently and respond to any and all items posted there that you wish. Related projects news The Iglesia ni Cristo work group, Syriac Christianity work group, and Oriental Orthodoxy project are all currently being considered for restructuring. Any and all members of any of those groups are welcomed and encouraged to take part in the discussions. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Seventh, admittedly delayed, issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. Yes, it's been more than a bit of a rough time for some of us, okay, me, for a while here. Several things, most of them not real pleasant, kept coming up. I think most of that is over with know. I hope and pray as much anyway. Easter is the church's time of rebirth, and I hope it's a good time for the rebirth of this newsletter. I hope that the project grows in numbers and effectiveness as the church itself has over the years. Thanks again for all your efforts to date. Oh, yes, and please note that this section is entitled "From the Members". That means you, all of you. If any of you have any comments you'd like to share with the other members in this section, please feel free to let us know, and we'll put them in the next issue. We would encourage all members to get more involved and if you are wondering what with, please ask. Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. Thanks again. John Carter (talk), Lead Coordinator To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by TinucherianBot (talk) 07:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - May 2009

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Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue VIII - May 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 68 FAs, 7 FLs, and 146 GAs, which includes 3 more FAs. We did however lose one FL and 2 GAs over the past month, but we still basically broke even with the 3 new FAs. Member news With the additions of cindyrom4jesus at 69.254.33.66, User:Jwhosler, and User:Arverniking, we now have 281 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members! Other news There is some new discussion regarding project related activities, specifically including the various Christianity portals, at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum and the possible expansion of the extant Narnia task force of WikiProject Novels. All input is more than welcome. . Related projects news The WikiProject Films has recently created a new task force for Christian films. All interested parties are welcome to join and contribute. Member contest of the month Anyone who can bring any of the few Stub class articles among the project's 1000 most often accessed articles by the end of the month will get an award. Please see the details Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Christianity#Project challenge of the month. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Eighth issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. Hello from the new Christian films task force! I was recently apart of founding a task force, so this is the story. For several months, I would not only contribute to Christian films, groups, etc., but I'd also see other users working on similar articles. I really wanted to create a project for us to work from. Filmcom contacted me about trying to get a task force going, so we began working together on it. When it appeared the idea was dying, we continued to fight, and several other users joined! Thanks to the efforts of many users, I'd like to introduce you to the Christian films task force! We are currently having a bot tag all Christian film-related articles, and we are working to define our project scope. We now have our own icon and shortcut (WP:CFTF), with ten users signed out thus far - these are just some of the things that have been happening in the last few days. If you have any interest in joining such a project, we welcome everyone to join and get involved. American Eagle (talk) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by TinucherianBot (talk) 13:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I have three questions

I made an edit today--one edit--to the article Carrie Prejean and have not made an edit to the article in days, but yet another editor reversed my ONE edit and then reported me on the 3RR notice board. I find this to be a clear use of Misplaced Pages to win a debate about article content and direction. Prejean was called a series of negative things by Perez Hilton, most of the words are contemptuous and vile, such as the b-word and c-word. There are editors that believe that each and every one of Hilton's use of those words MUST be included in the article about Prejean. Now, I don't see the need to have an article about Prejean dominated by the words and comments of ONE individual (highly negative words at that) dominate the life story of Prejean. It is tantamount to having the words of Saddam Hussein concerning George W Bush dominate the Misplaced Pages article about Bush. It violates Misplaced Pages avowed goal of NPOV and it violates BLP. Now, I know that consensus in Misplaced Pages editing is one of the goals, but consensus does NOT override other valid Misplaced Pages ideals such as BLP. There can be a compromise made where the gist of Hilton's highly negative opinion is included in the article, but at the same time it does NOT dominate the life story of Prejean. Prejean is notable for many, many reasons, not just her public fight with Hilton. She is notable for being a successful model; she is notable for participating in Deal or No Deal; she is notable for being the current Miss California USA; and she is now notable for being a TV personality. My first question is: Can you at least review the article and see if the second, third, fourth, and fifth repetitions of the b-word and c-word violates BLP? I believe that it does. And my second question is: Is it appropriate to make a report on an editor for violating 3RR even though that editor has only made one edit? And my third question is: Is misusing 3RR to win a debate on the proper interpretation of BLP appropriate? I don't think so.--InaMaka (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - June 2009

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Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue IX - June 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 72 FAs, 6 FLs, and 145 GAs, which includes 4 more FAs. We did however lose one FL and 1 GAs over the past month, but we still gained overall. Member news It was a big month for new members, with User:SixGreenFish, User:Invmog, User:Unconsumed, User:TheThankful, User:Noghiri, and User:1111tomica joining, bringing us up to 286 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members! Other news There is some new discussion regarding project related activities, specifically including the various Christianity portals, at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum and the possible expansion of the extant Narnia task force of WikiProject Novels. All input is more than welcome. . Related projects news The WikiProject Films has recently created a new task force for Christian films. All interested parties are welcome to join and contribute. Member contest of the month Given the lateness of the newsletter last month, the contest from last month continues. Anyone who can bring any of the few Stub class articles among the project's 1000 most often accessed articles by the end of June will get an award. Please see the details Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Christianity#Project challenge of the month. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Ninth issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. I am in the process of going through the various categories related to Christianity. I am finding that several of them may not have sufficient number of members to continue. By the end of the month, I hope to have the main category list finished (yeah, it might take that long, it's huge). At that time, I think we will review all the categories and see which may not have sufficient articles to continue. Please feel free to take part in the discussion regading what the minimum number of category items is, and how to deal with the non-qualifying categories, on the General Forum page. John Carter (talk) 23:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by -- Tinu Cherian - 11:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Buddhism and Christianity

Drive-by warning tags without discussion on talk will be removed immediately. Your previous edit summary, Christians do not usually refer to Jesus as a prophet without immediately aso specifying that He is more, and 2) Buddhism is not theist and therefore has no concept of prophecy strikes me as incredibly narrow and ignorant, considering the "prophecies" discussed in the article on Maitreya, etc. Is it too much to ask you to edit from the facts rather than from your distorted opinion of the world? Viriditas (talk) 01:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps English is not your first language. The primary meaning of prophet is and always has been a spokesman for God (or a god); one who predicts things is a secondary and derivative meaning. See . If it wasn't clear enough from the context of the discussion, my explanation as to why Buddha couldn't have been a prophet made it explicit which meaning I was using.

You owe me an apology. A.J.A. (talk) 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

You do not personally speak for 34,000 sects of Christianity, comprising 1.5-2.1 billion adherents. Furthermore, you do not speak for the hundreds of millions of Buddhists. Your statements on what Christians believe and what Buddhists believe is neither supported by the sources or by their followers. Buddha is commonly referred to as a prophet in the secular religious literature and there are many prophets and prophecies spoken of in that regard. Your narrow definition of the word "prophet" seems to serve your own interests and does not reflect actual usage. Your definitions of key concepts related to religions is also narrow and singular, and appears to promote only one POV rather than those of belief systems other than your own. Your comments on Talk:Buddhism_and_Christianity have been generally unhelpful and unconstructive, and seem to consist of POV pushing to the detriment of competing POV that you refuse to acknowledge. If you feel it necessary to try and prove me wrong, then please show me one single edit contribution you have made to Misplaced Pages since you began editing on 18 December 2005, where you have actively tried to write for the enemy, understand a POV that does not belong to you, and compose a sentence or a paragraph that does not reflect your own personal belief system. Viriditas (talk) 05:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

As to the definition of "prophet", you're arguing with the dictionary, not me.

The rest of your comment hardly merits a reply. The article as it stands and has stood is a poorly-written personal essay advocating a fringe view. As someone who defends that, you have no standing to accuse others of much of anything.

You owe me several apologies. A.J.A. (talk) 13:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Apparently you do not understand the purpose of dictionaries or how they work. If you wish to discuss this further, I would invite you to use the talk page. Viriditas (talk) 13:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there some unstated argument there or did you simply feel an urge to say anything and so posted the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I"? A.J.A. (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm waiting for you to post your list of problems to the article talk page so we can fix them. Viriditas (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I see that you could not offer me one single diff showing a single editorial contribution from your edit history to Misplaced Pages that does not consist of POV pushing of some kind. Surely, you can find one diff for me? Viriditas (talk) 13:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't jump for POV pushers. A.J.A. (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Stop looking in the mirror. I'm not pushing anything but you - and I'm pushing you in the direction of the talk page where we can work together to improve the article. Understand? Viriditas (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

And before you continue down this path, let it be said, you already have a documented history of disruptive editing in regards to the Buddhism and Christianity article, and this is documented on the noticeboards. Continue down this path, and I will post a new report. Viriditas (talk) 13:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I was in the right then and I'm in the right now. The "other side" consists of people who demand that Helena Blavatsky --still, after over a year! -- be recommended as a serious authority. There is no other side that can be taken seriously; you simply have nothing intelligent to say, which is why you resort to merely formal complaints (e.g., length). A.J.A. (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there a reason you aren't on the talk page raising specific objections about content, and instead, you are here attacking me? I'm really not following your throught process. Are you here to improve Misplaced Pages or what? Viriditas (talk) 13:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Please use the talk page to point out these so-called "fringe" views and I will be happy to remove them. Of course, you are using the term "fringe" here to mean anything that contradicts your personal worldview. You've been on Misplaced Pages long enough to know that we do not edit articles from our beliefs. We edit articles based on sources. Viriditas (talk) 13:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I did point them out, as you know. By fringe I mean they have absolutely no academic respectability, which becomes very apparently when you examine the sources: outdated secondary sources, vaguely cited tertiary sources, and personal websites like "jesusisbuddha.com". A.J.A. (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Where did you point them out? Use the talk page and post a list of the problems so we can fix them. You've been here since 2005; which part of this process is giving you problems? Viriditas (talk) 13:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

1) Viriditas chose to begin this discussion here, on my talk page, and now complains that I answer him here rather than elsewhere, despite the fact that his own Talk page opens with a request that discussions he begins on others' Talk pages be continued on those pages. Note that he told another user to take the discussion away from the article Talk page .

2) He refuses to apologize for his bizarre accusations that my (dictionary definition) use of a word is ignorant or self-interested or something. A simple admission here would go very far in establishing his good faith.

3) He chose to make a series of personal attacks, and then when I point out his own lack of standing, he acts as if I were the one making attacks (and as if I had chosen the venue).

4) He knows that I have participated heavily in the article Talk page and he knows exactly the nature of my objections to the poorly written, biased, inaccurate text he has insisted upon. A detailed description would be quite lengthy (to no purpose), but it can be stated in brief: the article is an advocacy piece for a fringe theory. I explained this detail over a year ago; embarrassingly, the article is only slightly better now, and the original discussion remains on the Talk page. That being the case, his repeated claim that the tags are "drive-by" and unsupported by Talk page discussion are misleading. Also misleading is his asking me to list problems "so we can fix them"; he gives every impression of being in favor of the problems. A.J.A. (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

So now, instead of joining me on the talk page to work on the article, you are speaking to me in the third person, as if you are addressing the Greek chorus to the right of the stage? A.J.A. please look at your contributions to the talk page. You have not worked with any editor to improve the article. Instead, you have worked unilaterally, to enforce and implement your version against the objections of every other editor. Do you think your approach might need to be changed a bit? I am willing to hear your ojbections to specific material on the talk page. Please place your concerns there, as that is where we we work on things on Misplaced Pages. Viriditas (talk) 14:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

In order to join you on the Talk page of the article you would need to have posted there in the first place. Instead you posted here, and per your own request I have continued the discussion here. Some honesty, please. A.J.A. (talk) 14:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello? You originally added maintenance tags to Buddhism and Christianity with nothing posted on the talk page. Since you keep adding these tags back into the article, you are required to discuss them on talk. Please do so, and I will join you. Viriditas (talk) 14:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

From join me there to I will join you there. But you'll never admit the first statement was misleading. A.J.A. (talk) 14:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you should take a look at the talk page? I am the last active editor to appear there. You are welcome to join me at any time with your concerns. Viriditas (talk)

That was over a month ago, and has nothing to do with the current discussion. Yet another misleading statement from Viriditas. (Note that I linked to that very comment earlier; he was trying to move discussion away from the article Talk after blindly reverting another editor, not me, who tried to shorten the article and remove the POV advocacy.) A.J.A. (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I am active on the talk page, and I have active threads open on the talk page, active threads you are welcome to join. Please join me on the talk page, where I am already actively awaiting your reasoning for adding tags to the article. There is no current discussion because you have not yet started it. Do you understand? You are required to discuss your edits. I have discussed my edits on the talk page. I hope this helps clear up your confusion. Viriditas (talk) 15:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Putting "active" in italics doesn't compensate for not knowing what it means. If you haven't posted there in over a month, you're not active there. (Now I'll have to look up "active" in a dictionary so you can lie about that word, too.) The discussion isn't happening there because you started it here. If you want, I can move this whole thread to the place you're now insisting it should have been, as if I and not you had chosen its location. A.J.A. (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm the last active participant on the talk page, and I'm currently active there now, and there is at present an active thread awaiting your comments. Viriditas (talk) 15:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Note that he became active there after my last comment and was not active there when I posted it. Just so there's no confusion. A.J.A. (talk) 15:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking to your imaginary friend? I'm right here, hello, over here. Waiting for you on Talk:Buddhism and Christianity. Is there any reason you haven't shown up yet? I'm the only active editor on that talk page, and have been for quite some time. Viriditas (talk) 15:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Apparently in your world 18 minutes counts as "quite some time". A.J.A. (talk) 15:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I've been the last active editor on the talk page for a month, and I'm waiting for you to join me on the talk page with your explanation and justification for tagging the article. In your absence, I've created a separate section for you to fill out at your leisure, so that we can get started improving the article. Looking forward to your participation... Viriditas (talk) 15:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

In this discussion, you have hardly said a single thing that was not disingenuous, and you have a record there of reverting all efforts to improve that article. I do not believe you are willing to be a good faith collaborator. A.J.A. (talk) 15:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

What part of "explain your justification for maintenance and dispute tags on the talk page and refrain from drive-by tagging" is giving you heartache? Viriditas (talk) 16:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

You are not in a position to make imperious demands of others. Perhaps you could make a show of your own good faith by apologizing for your multiple personal attacks and your multiple misleading statements. A.J.A. (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I am in a position to make the demand that you use the talk page instead of drive-by tagging, and I've shown that your claims in regards to the topic of prophets are not only without merit, but are 100% false. Viriditas (talk) 16:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course you can say whatever you want, but you're not in a position to get any respect for your demands. I've addressed your newly cited source on your Talk, but suffice it to say that proving one usage exists does not refute other usages. A.J.A. (talk) 16:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

You have not addressed anything at all, but you have merely spent hours distracting from the discussion. We do not evaluate non-Christian religions using Christian criteria. Viriditas (talk) 00:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess that's your new talking point, but it's too unrelated to anything said so far that I don't really even know what you're trying to say. A.J.A. (talk) 01:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Let me refresh your memory: You said that Buddha cannot be considered a prophet using common usage of the word and you claimed that Buddhism does not make use of "prophesy". Both of these claims are in error. Viriditas (talk) 01:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I never said "common usage". That's an ambiguous term. I said the primary meaning as opposed to a derivative meaning, and I said a -- not the -- standard usage, and backed it up with a citation. A.J.A. (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

We don't use dictionaries as "citations" for topics. That's original research. You are, of course, welcome to find a reliable source that discusses the use of the word prophet in relation to Christianity and Buddhism. Viriditas (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

When the topic is the definition of a word, citing a dictionary is more or less the oppose of original research. I don't know what happened to your references to "the relevant literature, i.e. books, articles, studies, reports, etc.", (WP:SYN if I ever saw it). But we're talking about what I meant. The citation was simply there to establish that I'm not arbitrarily inventing a meaning afterward to invalidate your insult. Finding another lexically available meaning that doesn't make sense and insisting upon it because of the order the OED puts them in, or inventing something about evaluating Buddhism, doesn't make me wrong about my own meaning. Just give it up and move on already. A.J.A. (talk) 01:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The topic was and is Buddhism and Christianity, not your chosen definition of "prophet" which you use only to apply to Christian-related topics. This error has been explained to you. And the OED is far more authoritative than your weak link. You were wrong, and you can't admit it, and that's the entire story of your contribution history. Viriditas (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The topic is the fact that you chose to put baseless insults on my Talk page. I thought the problem was applying "my definition" to Buddhism; now somehow it's only applying it to Christianity. But hey, the OED mentions other possible meanings alongside the one I used, so maybe if you repeat it often enough it'll stick. A.J.A. (talk) 05:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

All you have to do is stick to the facts and stop trying to stuff the universe (or multiverse) into your small little, ideological box. Open your mind. Viriditas (talk) 08:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Drive-by tagging

Editors who add maintenance tags must discuss the problem on the talk page and point to specific problems that can be fixed. Editors cannot hold articles hostage without discussion. For the second time, please use the talk page. Viriditas (talk) 13:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I have requested your participation on the talk page. Please join me there. Viriditas (talk) 15:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - July 2009

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Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue X - July 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 76 FAs, 8 FLs, and 148 GAs. We gained new recognized content in each field, with 4 FAs promoted, 2 FLs, and 3 GAs. Congratulations and a big thank you to all those who worked on these articles! Member news It was a big month for new members, with User:RandomNumberSee, User:Per Ardua, User:Muzhogg, User:Arlen22, User:Scotchorama, and User:Jaybird vt joining, bringing us up to 292 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members! Other news I am still working on the categorization matter. With any luck, we should have some results by the end of the month. There are also some discussions regarding project related activities at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. One issue in particular that might be addressed is possible elections of new coordinators. Anyone interested in serving in such a capacity is more than welcome to indicate as much. Related projects news The WikiProject Films has recently created a new task force for Christian films. All interested parties are welcome to join and contribute. Member contest of the month The previous contests are still ongoing, because of the extreme amount of time the categorization is taking me. Anyone who can bring any of the few Stub class articles among the project's 1000 most often accessed articles by the end of July will get an award. Please see the details Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Christianity#Project challenge of the month. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Tenth issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. It has been a long time since the last coordinators election. There is a lot for people to do, and I certainly would welcome seeing any individuals with an interest in such a position put themselves forward as candidates. I in particular would very much like to see some degree of "specialization" in the coordinators, so that, for instance, we might have someone knowledgable about some of the specific Christian faith traditions or other main subjects, like Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Mormonism, the Jehovah's Witnesses, art, theology, and so on. If any parties who have experience with some of our faith- or- subject-based content would be interested in being candidates, I would love to see them do so. Please feel free to take part in the discussion regading what the minimum number of category items is, and how to deal with the non-qualifying categories, on the General Forum page. John Carter (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by ~~~~

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Thanks for your efforts on the Zionism page. The saga of inserting that text has been quite an education for me.

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The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue XI - August 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 75 FAs, 8 FLs, and 147 GAs, with a net loss of one FA and one GA. Our thanks to those who helped keep some other articles listed, and to those who have worked so diligently in improving all of our articles. Member news Three new members joined this past month, including new members User:116Calvinist, User:Lrnngrbc, and User:Frazz, bringing us up to 295 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members! Other news Two new pages for the benefit of members of the project have been created. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Mutual aid society is designed to be a place where editors seeking specific assistance from other members can with luck find others who have the abilities or materials they need, and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Special collections is, at this point, the beginnings of a list of publicly accessible special collections libraries which our members might find useful. Anyone who lives near one of the collections listed is encouraged to visit them and see if they can find anything they would like to read or use to improve some of our articles. There are always some discussions regarding project related activities at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. I think the timing of the call for elections might have been bad (summer vacation, what was I thinking?), and have thus changed the period for individuals to run to be one of the project's coordinators. Individuals who have a particular interest or knowledge of specific fields within Christianity are encouraged to run, to serve as a kind of "unit coordinator" for that topic. Related projects news The WikiProject Films has recently created a new task force for Christian films. All interested parties are welcome to join and contribute. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Eleventh issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. One area in particular need of attention right now is the content related to the Oriental Orthodox churches. Several of the topics within this field are of great importance, including the churches themselves, their histories, thinking, and some of the individuals associated with it. Unfortunately, the number of people who belong to the churches, and, correspondingly, the number of editors working on that content, is smaller than it could be. Anyone interested in helping to develop this content is more than welcome to look at the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy page and seeing where they can help out. John Carter (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by -- Tinu Cherian BOT - 18:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

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Ichthus: January 2012

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From the Editor

This month marks the observation of Pentecost, one of the most important feast of the Christian liturgical year. It is our hope here that all of you, regardless of your religious affiliation (if any), find that the holiday, and its accompanying activities, an enjoyable and beneficial experience. We also hope that this "Birthday of the Church" is one which gives you the same joy as the birthday of yourself or your loved ones.

Ichthus is the successor to the long running WikiProject Christianity newsletter, run under the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department. As such, you will continue to see information about our latest featured and good articles, DYKs, as well as new members who have joined our project. You might also see links to Christianity related news from the mainstream media!

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

John Carter, Asst. Editor

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity-related topics Noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

Help Bring Wikipe-tan "into the fold"

As many of you may know, our unofficial mascot, dear Wikipe-tan, hasn't yet indicated any particular beliefs. However, yes, as we all know, ahem, some people might object to our beloved mascot running around in a French maid outfit. People do talk, you know. ;) If anyone might be able to develop an image of the dear lady in a image more, well, "Christian," I would like to see perhaps a vote for next month as to which, if any, image of the dear girl we might make our own unofficial mascot. Please post your images here.

By John Carter

Christianity in other wikis

By John Carter

Spotlight on the Outreach department

Ichthus will spotlight a different subproject or workgroup of WikiProject Christianity. This edition will spotlight on our vital Outreach department. This comparatively small, but vital, project unit is dedicated to welcoming new editors to Misplaced Pages and the Christianity related content, and to providing information to the various project members, in forms like this newsletter.

The scope of articles with which this group deals is truly enormous, and, given the wide variety of material with which we deal, we would very much welcome the input of more individuals, particularly individuals who are particularly knowledgeable of the less well-known and less frequently monitored articles related to Christianity.

Speaking personally, I would be very, very gratified if we were to have this become a very, very large and active unit, with members from the broad spectrum of Christian beliefs, practices, and groups. The broader the spectrum and areas of expertise of members we have, the better we will be able to help manage the content. Please consider whether you believe you might be able to contribute in this vital area.

By John Carter

Ichthus: June 2012

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Membership report

The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 331 active members. We would like to welcome User:Sanju87, User:Psalm84, User:Zegron, User:Jargon777, User:Calu2000, User:Gilderien, User:Ronallenus, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

Church of the month

by Berthold Werner

Vote for the project mascot

We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

DYK

• ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?

Calendar

Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

Featured content and GA report

Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikisource currently has many old texts available, most of them in the public domain. This is a potentially very valuable source for several things, including for instance links to Biblical verses, because we know that it will, basically, be around as long as we are.

By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art

This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article.

By Johnbod

Spotlight

A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christian history. Also, a group specifically devoted to the Mennonites and other Anabaptists is now up and running at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe

... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

By John Carter

Help requests

Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

Ichthus: July 2012

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July 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 336 active members. We would like to welcome User:Emilymadcat, User:Toa Nidhiki05, User:DonutGuy, and User:RCNesland, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

Church of the month

by User:JaGa

Vote for the project mascot
We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-July through mid-September) includes days dedicated to the honor of Mary Magdalene, James, son of Zebedee, Ignatius Loyola, Saint Dominic, Joseph of Arimathea, and the Transfiguration of Jesus.

Featured content and GA report
Grade I listed churches in Cheshire was recently promoted to Featured List status. This picture was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Bartolome de las Casas and Edmund the Martyr were promoted to GA level this past month. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikibooks welcomes the development of textbooks of all kinds, children's books, recipes, and other material. It currently has just under 2500 books, including several Wikijunior books for the 12 and under population. There is, at present, not even a book on Christianity. Anyone interested in helping develop such a textbook is more than welcome to do so.

By user:John Carter

Christian art

The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger.

By John Carter

Spotlight
A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christian history. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe
... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

By John Carter

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter

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Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:David_FLXD, User:Alexsbecker, User:Penguin 236, User:Gugi001, User:John D. Rockerduck, and User:Margaret9mary. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Diliff

Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages-Books. Right now, Category:Misplaced Pages books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Misplaced Pages books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: Karl Behm, which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article Nerses IV the Gracious. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bartholomew the Apostle, Nativity of Mary, and the Exaltation of the Cross.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, William de Chesney (sheriff), Knights of Columbus, and Angelus Silesius were promoted to GA level. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikinews is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia.

Christian art

Spotlight

One of our newer editors, User:David_FLXD, has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the Methodism work group to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality.

I believe
... in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion, the Arminian conception of free will through God's prevenient grace, and the regular renewal of the individual's covenant with God. I am a Methodist.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter

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Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Floating Boat, User:Dewey420, and User:Jpacobb. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Diliff

Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages-Books. Right now, Category:Misplaced Pages books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Misplaced Pages books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. Last month's challenge articles were Karl Beth and Nerses IV the Gracious. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the main page. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article James Hastings and the not yet started Rudolf Sohm, A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the Martyrs of Korea, Saint Matthew, Vincent de Paul, Michaelmas, Saint Jerome, Theresa of Lisieux, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, Francis of Assisi, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Teresa of Avila.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Albertus Soegijapranata, and Reginald Heber were promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester was promoted to Featured List, and Jackie Hudson, Joyce Kilmer, Divine command theory, Bosa of York and Argument from morality were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul, All Saints Church, Hollingbourne, Neustädter Kirche, Hannover, St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale, Albert Ndongmo, If We Are the Body, List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling, Kulubnarti church, All Saints Church, Ulcombe, Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey, Igny Abbey, Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila, Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, Collegiate Church of San Gimignano, and St Matthew's Church, Burnley. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Wikimedia Foundation report

As some of you may have seen, the Simple English Misplaced Pages has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the Bible are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the Christianity noticeboard. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks.

Christian art

Spotlight

WikiProject Calvinism is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the Pilgrims, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Congregational church, Reformed Baptists, and Low church. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition.

I believe
... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a Calvinist.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter

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September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Dplcrnj, User:Danmuz, User:Zigzig20s, and User:Jasonasosa. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Taxiarchos228, recently promoted to Featured Image

Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the Christmas season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Christianity noticeboard#Contest of the month - Advent/Christmas content.

One of last month's challenge articles, Rudolf Sohm, has been substantially developed by User:Jack1956 and User:StAnselm. Our deepest thanks to both of them!!

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the Ignatius of Antioch, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Canaanite, Saint Jude, the dedication of the Lateran Basilica, the beginning of the Nativity Fast, James of Jerusalem, Reformation Day, and others.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Augustinian theodicy by User:ItsZippy was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Merseyside by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. John Wheelwright by User:Sarnold17, Christmas Party (The Office) by User:Gen. Quon and If We Are the Body by User:Toa Nidhiki05, were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova, by User:Biruitorul, Nerses IV the Gracious by User:John Carter, Church of St Candida and Holy Cross by User:BarretB, St Laurence's Church, Morland by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Mary's Church, Longfleet by User:Bermicourt, Chor von St. Bonifatius by User:Gerda Arendt, St Andrew's Church, Penrith by User:Peter I. Vardy, Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver) by User:Bloom6132, Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops) by User:Bloom6132, St Columba's Church, Warcop by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale by User:Peter I. Vardy, and W. E. Biederwolf by User:John Foxe. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Spotlight

WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the Christmas in Japan, where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.