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Piła

Maybe it is time to unprotect it. It's been locked for about 3 weeks. Balcer 01:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for an almost instantaneous response. Balcer 01:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it appears that Wik is back. The page might need to be locked up again (though the changes being introduced are relatively harmless). Balcer 20:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

He must be using some kind of bot. His reverts are just way too quick. He must have created dozens of sockpuppet accounts by now. Balcer 19:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

You might also want to protect Template:Polishcity. It is an obscure, little-used template, but it does seem to be a favourite of Wik. Balcer 16:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian Jews

Hey jay, after you reverted the article another anon- user-203.199.106.24 (who I assume it a sock puppet because this is his first edit and he is already reverting and quoting wikipedia policy) has reverted the article once again knowing that I cannot rv his edits because I have already rv the previous editor 3 times.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 02:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

SmackBot

Thanks. Will sort. Rich Farmbrough 10:10 28 March 2006 (UTC).

Can you block the vandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Tylercar

Thanks, Zeq 19:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:PP

Hey! Please try not to overlook adding a page you protect to the list of currently protected pages at WP:PP. Thanks a bunch. · Katefan0/poll 21:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

No biggie. I don't usually go through and compare against each other (Woohookitty liked to do that), but since he's quit RFP patrol I figured I'd go through it. Looks like Alireza Jafarzadeh, Henry Kissinger, Ethnic cleansing and Massoud Rajavi. I've added them all though, so no worries. · Katefan0/poll 21:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

DaGizza's RfA

Hi Jayjg/Archive 15, thank you for supporting me in my RfA which passed with a tally of (93/1/2). If you need any help or wish discuss something with me, you are always welcome to talk to me. Gizza 12:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Request

Hi Jay: I have received the following request concerning Rabbi Yaakov Meidan:

Rav Meidan, now a Rosh Yeshiva in Yeshivat Har Etzion, recently requested that his name be spelled in English publications as "Yaaqov Medan." As you can imagine, this spelling garners much fewer Google hits than when spelled with a k. Should his article, and all mentions of him, be changed to "Yaaqov" in deference to him as a self-identifying entity, or not? I'm not familiar enough with WP:NC to know the answer. Thanks, DLand 18:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Input is welcome. IZAK 20:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to your question at Talk:Yaakov Meidan. If you have no further objection I will proceed with the move. --DLand 20:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Romanians

The Romanians in Canada are around 400,000, that's the estimation, and at the 2001 Canada Census there were officially 131,000 of single or double ancestry. Please stop messing around that article and if you have a good memory, you will remember that that was put there before, so let it like that, right? NorbertArthur 29 March 2006

Look, I understand that we have to put the official figures, but we gonna put there too the estimations, right? And at Canada, please stop putting the stupids single and mixed origins numbers, because no article on wikipedia has an estimation of their population in acountry of that manner. We can just put 131,000 Romanians and after the estimationof 400,000. But please just don'tut anymore the thnig of single-multiple origins, becaue for example somebody that needs the infomation of all Romanians, that means 131,000. NorbertArthur 29 March 2006

Jayjg, I've responded to your query at my talk page. And Norbert, you've been around long enough to know that citations are required, and to discuss and explain your proposed changes first on the talk page. You also know that the Romanians article properly covers "ethnic Romanians" only, and not all and sundry groups who have even a tangential association or background with the country of Romania itself. --cjllw | TALK 02:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Names and Titles of Jesus

Dear Jay, the New Testament does, in fact, call Jesus God, and implies that he is God in many places. Naturally, Judaism and Islam objects to this fiercely, and is one reason, as you know, that Judaism has a hard time with the New Testament and why Islam has a hard time believing the New Testament to be a true record of Jesus.

So I think we need to keep the title "God" in the article. Now, the passages quoted do not all directly claim deity for Jesus, and I'll argue for their removal for that reason. There also are some NPOV issues, calling Jesus "Christ" without qualification, for instance, that I would support you editing.

But push comes to shove, I have to side with the anonymous user on the title itself. --CTSWyneken 22:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the verse list needs some editing, which I will get to. But there is no question that John 1:1 "and the Word was God" and others I will provide say so. If you wish, I can provide you the scholarly references that back this up. I'm even willing to point to groups I have as hard a time calling Christian as you have considering Jews for Jesus Jewish, have a different view. It does not change, however, that scholars believe the NT teaches the divinity of Jesus. --CTSWyneken 22:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

--CTSWyneken 22:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the verse list needs some editing, which I will get to. But there is no question that John 1:1 "and the Word was God" and others I will provide say so. If you wish, I can provide you the scholarly references that back this up. I'm even willing to point to groups I have as hard a time calling Christian as you have considering Jews for Jesus Jewish, have a different view. It does not change, however, that scholars believe the NT teaches the divinity of Jesus. --CTSWyneken 22:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd be happy to take up what the New Testament says on this subject with you, but it doesn't make much of a difference in what should be in or out of the article. At the very least, a large number of scholars of the New Testament maintain that this passage is a point blank statement of the divinity of Jesus and that He is God. Whether this or the opposing viewpoint represents a majority on the subject is hard to say without research. We may have to resort to "some...others" language. A part from scholarship, however, the traditions that represent orthodox Christianity east and west see it that way. So it belongs in. If you wish, I'll collect references.

Let me check a few assumptions with you first. From your background, can we assume Hellenistic Judaism to be the background of the Gospel of John? If so, I'm really puzzled. I've always been told that Judaism was radically monotheistic. There is no room in it for any divinity other than the God. Am I wrong? If I'm right, how can John say καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος, "and God was the Word," (1:1) and μονογενὴς θεὸς, "the only born God," (1:18) and not be calling Jesus the God of Israel? --CTSWyneken 02:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

You are entitled, of course, to your opinion. From what I know of the Book of John, I'll beg to differ. The author uses quite a bit of Jewish idiom and culture and compares in thought processes to Philo. When he refers to "the Jews," I believe him to be referring to "Judeans" -- perhaps the way a Galilean might. ;-) --CTSWyneken 19:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Most new testament scholars agree that the author of John was the only one of the four canonical evangelists who doesn't make obvious errors regarding pre-diaspora geography and customs, and therefore was the most likely to have actually lived in first century Judea. One researcher – but not a bona fide "biblical scholar" – even makes a reasonable case that Mary Magdalene may have been the author of The Gospel According to John. HowardEvans 4:26, 23 April 2006

Serious problem involving the Agapetos Arbitration

I'm sorry to spam your talk page, but this seemed serious enough to directly put on your talk page. I have evidence that AiG has actively had employees push their POV on the AiG page and possibly on related pages. I have added a new evidence section in the Agapetos arbitration to that effect, explaining the evidence. Due to the very serious nature of this accusation and its possible implications for Misplaced Pages, I decided to directly alert all of the ArbCom members. JoshuaZ 01:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

JoshuaZ retracted this in evidence because it was erroneous, but failed to mention it on your talk page. agapetos_angel 07:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

That's highly inaccurate. I qualified the evidence in question. The user wasn't an employee but was specifically asked by an employee. See my evidence section and Standon's for details, and Agapetos, please don't put words in my mouth. JoshuaZ 13:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Khomeini

I've added some stuff about Khomeini's views on non-Muslims, but people might try to take them out. Could you keep an eye on that article as well? Aucaman 14:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, you comment there did not exactly help since it just went ignored. They've also removed the whole section without giving any reason. Aucaman 19:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Israel and domestic law

Al Haq argues:

In some instances Israel has claimed that the closure of land areas to their Palestinian owners and destruction of Palestinian properties in areas adjacent to settlements conforms to the local law and planning regulations. However, at the base of these practices is a breach of international law of treaties. As noted in Article 27 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, "a party may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty." As such, Israeli reliance on local law does not justify its violations of its international legal obligations.

This took me less than five minutes to find via Google. --Uncle Ed 19:29, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: Romanian diaspora

Ok then did u get the explications of where we get the 400,000 numbers??? If you know to read you will see that there are officially 131,000, and we don't care if they are a single or multiple origins, right??????' Stop messing there with your stupids things, how I told u, check all the wikipedia's ethnic articles, if you're not able to find, here there are some of them : Poles, Italians, Serbs, Germans, Russians, Greeks, Hungarians... tell me where do you see such a tHing that you wrote there. I council you to find an another article and write your stupidities. I will contact all the other Romanian user that participated to the agreement we made to let the Canada figures like that and we gonna see what we can do with you. NorbertArthur 30 March 2006

User:Herschelkrustofsky

Jay, would you mind doing a user check on BirdsOfFire (talk · contribs) and Herschelkrustofsky (talk · contribs)? The IP addresses that came to light during a previous user check for LaRouche 2 (confirmed by a developer) were 64.30.208.48 and two AOL ranges, 172.128.0.0 - 172.191.255.255 and 172.192.0.0 - 172.216.255.255. See WP:AN/I#User:Herschelkrustofsky for his latest activities. SlimVirgin 03:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Israeli Arab transference from Israel

Please take a look at Talk:Israeli Arab transference from Israel (and the article itself), basically Lokiloki, the article's author, asserts that Avigdor Liberman's current political agenda is to forcibly transfer Israeli Arabs from Acre, Sakhnin, etc. to the Palestinian Authority. Now, we all know Liberman doesn't love Arabs, but with all fairness, he has abandoned that campaign for a more moderate approach a long time ago. The 5 or 6 sources used to support this claim are also questionable, as they are all opinion pieces, and there was even an article written by Uri Avneri (the archrival of Arutz 7, so to say). By the way, I'm asking several users to look at that page, so please don't feel I'm insencere because I C&Ped the paragraph ;) -- Y Ynhockey Y 10:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Without going into long debate please

Jay,

this is simply wrong

Liberman does not advocate transfer. I t can be that 100 comnatators describe his agenda this way but the truth is that he does not. What he advocate is redrawing of israel borders so that many israeli arbs would find them self on the Palestinian side of the new border. This is not the same as "transfer" (also known as population exchange) this is a proposal for land swap between israel and Palestinians: Israel get few % of west bank land and Palestine get few % of Israeli land. Zeq 19:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jay,

Yes it is much better. The LOndon Tims is not 100% accurate on this here is a better source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/693768.html .

He is asking them to pledge loyalty to the State as a homeland of the Jewish people. Still, pretty fasict idea if you ask me.

On the other hand I have no doubt that many have their only loylaty to their own people, the Palestinian people and there is nothing wrong with that. Zeq 04:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Check user

User:Rabainutamtam and User:Truthinchabad based on similiar disrtuptive edits minutes apart to Rabbinical College of America and Mendy Herson --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

More check user

• User:24.7.102.19 and User:Aminz. Both have edited the article Criticism of Islam and have done wholesale reverts on Dhimmi. Aminz may be using an anonymous IP address to avoid being blocked again for 3RR violation on Dhimmi. Pecher 14:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• User:Jahnn may be a sockpuppet of User:SouthernComfort establsihed to circumvent the 3RR on Ruhollah Khomeini. User:Jahnn's only edit was a revert on Ruhollah Khomeini. Pecher 15:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Ben Dunkelman

Yes, I´m sorry about that: it was quite inaccurate of me; I should not only have said "Ben Dunkelman", have should have said "Ben Dunkelman and related articles", in view of this . And I really did not think that anyone would feel that it was a violation of WP:CIVIL by referring to you and SV as "our twins" (in apostrophe in the original). But I will certainly note your opinion and take that into the account in the future.

On the other hand: I was very suprised to find on my talk-page the message: "As for Ben Dunkelman, , we're not allowed to simply plagiarize phrases from the internet". I hadn´t (and still have´t) even searched the internet for Dunkelman! Much less added anything from the net to his article. Everything I had added to his article was from a book (="Blaming the victims"), which I had cited. I was very suprised, and my first thought was that somebody else previously had uploaded quotes to the internet using the same source as I had used. But this was not so.

Instead, there apparently have been things in the Dunkelman article which were indeed plagiarized from the web (""deeply attached to his Jewish roots"). That had been in the article when I started editing it, I hadn´t thought of checking the article for possible old plagiarism before I started adding new material.

If somebody had made a mistake, (say; having mixed up my edits with some previous edits) and accepted it (it´s a very easy mistake to make, IMO), well, that would have been the end of the story.

Instead: I was accused of "plagiarism", something I take as a very serious charge. The only "proof" that was offered is one edit on the 4. october 2005, where I copied 3 words ("thinly disguised sketch") from NYT..and only referred to the NYT -article on the talk-page. I have been told "That's called plagiarism and it isn't the only time I've seen you do it." As I said; I take charges of plagiarism very seriously. I asked for any other examples (since it was said:" it isn't the only time I've seen you do it."), but got only personal attacs in return ("you're involved in deliberate time-wasting").

As a conclusion I hope that you can agree with me on this: If you make any charges against your fellow editors, you should at least be prepared to back them up (wih diffs.) If you cannot, or will not, back them up, then A: do not make the charges, or B: apologise. Regards, Huldra 16:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Rudolf Vrba

Jay, would you mind taking a look at Rudolf Vrba and a rewrite I'm doing of it at Rudolf Vrba/draft? I started to edit the former last night, which looked like this when I started. I managed to get some edits in, but then had trouble from a new user, User:Polyphem, who kept removing sourced material because he disagrees with it or doesn't like the source, (helped to some extent by Zero0000), and who has indicated on the talk page that he intends to continue doing it. I've tried explaining about V and NOR, but it makes no difference. Would you mind looking at the draft version and letting me know what you think? Cheers, SlimVirgin 05:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Of course, please feel free to edit as you see fit. SlimVirgin 06:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually most of it is quite good. There are a few errors that need fixing, including one or two in critical places. --Zero 07:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Jay, thanks for all the work you put into it. It's looking really good now. SlimVirgin 10:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA vote

Hi Jayjg. Thanks for voting on my RfA. I was hoping to get a bit more guidance from you, if at all possible. I have responded to your vote on the nomination page, but I'm not sure whether you will be watching or re-checking that page. Cheers TigerShark 07:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

one million romanians in Italy

Do you have better sources than the Prime Minister of Italy?

An October 2005 report estimates that 1,061,400 Romanians are living in Italy, constituting 37.2% of 2.8 million immigrants in that country. If someone eventually puts together a good citation apparatus for this article, that's

• Mitrica, Mihai Un milion de romani s-au mutat in Italia ("One million Romanians have moved to Italy"). Evenimentul Zilei, 31 October 2005. Retrieved 31 October 2005.

The Prime Minister S. Berlusconi visiting in 12.10.2005 Romania said that there are at least 600.000 (http://www.guv.ro/presa/afis-doc.php?idpresa=42228&idrubricapresa=&idrubricaprimm=&idtema=&tip=&pag=1&dr=). So I think is correct.

What yoou do is called vandalism. You discredit an official source presented to you. Ask Prime Minister of Italy again if you don't believe me.

Dear anonymous user, Regardless of what the facts turn out to be, please note: An official census is by default a legitimate source for population estimates. A quote from a politician (whether (s)he be Berlusconi, Blair, Bush Jr., Saddam Hussein, or anyone else) is not (it may be true, but it may also not be true). Respectfully, Olve 18:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jayjg

Just so you know, Bernard Lewis doesn't mention Khomeini in The Jews of Islam, Princeton, 1984, p.34., there are different school of thoughts on what "ritual purity" means in Islam among these Mullahs. Different clerics have different perceptions and issue different religious decrees or what they call "Fatwas". Regards. --ManiF 19:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I've checked the book on Google Book. Bernard Lewis never mentions Khomeini but he makes a general assertion about the Shia clerics. But as I said earlier, different clerics have decrees on the issue of "ritual purity". Fazel Lankarani or Sistani for example, who are the two highest ranking Mullahs in the world now, specifically state that "ritual purity" doesn't apply to the people of book such as Jews and Christians. . Regards. --ManiF 19:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, let me look it up again. --ManiF 19:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

My bad, Lewis apparently does cite Khomeini saying "unbelievers" on page 34 but not "non-Muslims" as Aucaman asserts. If you read Fazel Lankarani's religious decree or Fatwa which I provided earlier, he defines "Kafir" or "unbeliever" as "Murtad (apostate, either Melli or Fetri: these expressions will be explained later) is Najis; but the people of the Book such as Jews and Christians are Pak". --ManiF 19:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Because the information is misrepresented and misleading. Khoemini doesn't refer to "non-Muslims", he talks about "unbelievers". As I said earlier, different clerics have different decrees on the issue of "ritual purity" and its meanings and implications. Sistani and Lankarani' clarifications of what "unbeliever" means are significant, because they are the two most important Marjas in the world, just as Pope's opinion would be significant to interpretation of a law in Catholicism. --ManiF 19:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Bernard Lewis' views and assertions about the implications and meanings of "ritual purity" are by no means a universal opinion among the scholars of Islam. --ManiF 19:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

The term "non-Muslim" is misleading in such context and I believe there is an ongoing meditation case regarding "ritual purity in Islam" and its meanings and implications and you were a part of it. My main concern is that regardless of what Bernard Lewis' own views are, Khomeini never uses the term "non-Muslims" even in the quote cited by Bernard Lewis. --ManiF 20:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello Jayjg, how are you? Thanks for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (88/3/1), so I am now an administrator. I am very humbled by your comments and your vote of support. Please let me know if at any stage you require assistance, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an administrator. Once again thank you and with kind regards Gryffindor 19:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Khomeini

Could you comment on what I'm doing here? Am I doing this correctly? Aucaman 06:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hebrew ?

Hi Jay . Do you speak Hebrew? someone made a change to 1948 war that absolutly is wrong.

Komemeiut is rebuilding, resurection or see this: Best,

Zeq 17:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I can not edit 1948 war.

Do you have Even-Shoshan which is THE authority in Hebrew dictionary ?

It says:

"1. With head lift up high i.e. with pride, without fear 2. In the political sense: Tkuma (renewal, restoration, rejuvenation) Independence, sovereignty

Example: 'the people under occupation have finally gain political independence in form of statehood' "

In the entry for Tkuma: "Restoration of the state of Israel after years of destruction. Rebuilding the state that was once destroyed"

Jay can you change it. This is wrong as it now is. Thanks. Zeq 15:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support vote on my RFA. The final result was a successful request based on 111 support and 1 oppose. --CBDunkerson 20:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Have I offended you in some way?

We're cool. I have nothing personal against you. We may disagree in terms of admin details, but what would Misplaced Pages be without a good argument once in a while? It was a fair point that I thought you might have considered, and you have done a good job in elaborating on my concern. --Jay(Reply) 21:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Stark...

Did you notice this? --JW1805 (Talk) 21:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Jayjg: Thank you for your vote in my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 77/3/0. Although I do not have your approval; I hope I can perform at the standards you expect for administrators. If I make any mistakes, or you need anything, please let me know. Prodego 01:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Jayjg. Just a quick note to thank you for voting on my RfA, which recently passed 62/13/6. I want to let you know that I will do my best to address all concerns that were raised during the RfA. I will also do my very best live up to this new responsibility and to serve the community, but please let me know if I make any mistakes or if you have any feedback at all on my actions. Finally, if there is anything that I can assist you with - please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers TigerShark 04:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Check-user request

Jay, if you have any time, would you mind looking at User:Bob, just Bob, User:Mistress Selina Kyle, and User:195.194.75.204? I've just blocked Bob on suspicion of being an account MSK used for block evasion, and I believe that IP is one the person operating the account has used. Cheers, SlimVirgin 21:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Jay. SlimVirgin 21:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Short mediation

Hello. Before it goes to far (which is not the case yet), could you give us your mind (at the condition it is as wise as usual). Thanks in advance. Ian removed 2 POV flags (in the article since much time). I put one back and we now discuss of the pertinence of the POV flag -> Christophe Greffe 19:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Chametz

Hello, Jay. Would you be able to move Chometz to Chametz over the current redirect? I've posted this over at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves, but it doesn't seem to be getting much attention there. Thanks, DLand 20:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Israeli Arabs NPOV issue

Hi Jayjg, I was wondering if you would be gratious enough to weigh in on the debate between myself and Zeq about the last paragraph of the demographics section of the Israeli Arabs article. I don't see why an otherwise straightforward and mundane explanation of the demographics of Israeli Arabs needs to be peppered with provocative quotes and political posturing. I'm not trying to censor the article, I just don't think it's appropriate there. It also doesn't seem very NPOV to represent the issue with extremist viewpoints, however much they may "balance each other out". Kaldari 20:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Could you share your thoughts?

Cheers, Jakew 21:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Chametz

Hey, just wanted to say thanks for moving the Chametz article. DLand said it was you, and it did get done quickly. Thanks! Avraham 01:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

New sysop

Delete rather than respond?

Would you be kind enough to respond to this, my inquiry, concerning your deleting my comments here and at Criticism of Misplaced Pages? Why did you do that? 209.6.189.247 02:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Banned editors are not allowed to edit. Jayjg 20:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. You thought I was a banned editor. How may I establish to your satisfaction that I'm not? 209.6.189.247 00:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, your edits got caught up in the edits of the banned editor Zordrac. They happened at the same time, and the IPs are somewhat similar. Jayjg 15:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

203.122.209.179 must be Zadork. He picked up on my post after about an hour - couldn't let it go. You replaced both contributions with your opinion that certain critics should not be noticed and haven't changed that. 209.6.189.247 19:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC) Perusing ANI indicated to me that Zradork is Mistress Selina Kyle. I know it's not funny when you're dealing with it, but it's funny from the outside. I accept your apology. If you came to the point of deciding to go out in flame, you could delete Criticism of Misplaced Pages. 209.6.189.247 08:25, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Alienus

Jay, I don't know about you, but I think it's probably time to do something about Alienus. Could you take a look at a draft RFC and add anything that you feel is important? Thanks. Jakew 15:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, who shall bring me the head of Alienus? I'm so, so glad that there is no cabal. Alienus 05:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Cabals are secret. Public requests for someone to look at a public RfC are the exact opposite. Perhaps the issue here is that you aren't really familiar with the meaning of the word cabal. And, of course, if you had abided by policy, instead of continually flaunting it, there would be no reason for an RfC in the first place, would there? Jayjg 15:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy

Why do you object to the insertion of Ilana Freedman's quote? Pecher 21:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Philo and Jesus

I did a search of the Greek corpus and found a reference to Joshua as Iesus, sometime a few months ago, I think. I'll rerun the search when I get back from vacation. The citation will be useful here and on the Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament pages. --CTSWyneken 16:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry! Away from my characters sets at work, I used English. Philo referred to Ἰησοῦς,persumably יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Since I don't know of a Hebrew text of Philo, I can't be absolutely certain, though. --CTSWyneken 17:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

New Vandal

An anonymous user with IP number 65.122.24.2 has been vandalizing the Passover page for the past few days, as well as the Wolf spider page. Can he/she be blocked? Thanks, Yoninah 20:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

RFM

Template:RFM-Filed Alienus 02:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Latest nonsense

Hi, could you check this out for me? I assume Larnue the dormouse (talk · contribs) is another Zephram sockpuppet. --JW1805 (Talk) 04:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks. --JW1805 (Talk) 05:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Terrorism ad nauseum

Gee, does this edit comment sound familiar? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Check user again

Jay, will you check whether User:Eastern section of the nation is a sockpuppet of the blocked User:MuslimsofUmreka? Editors have accused him of being a sockpuppet based on the same pattern of editing. Thanks a lot. Pecher 14:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Northmeister

Thanks for bringing it to my attention ;) Proto||type 16:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Because

Because the references to the dispute cropped up a few times on my list. Kindly do not tell me what to do. --Irishpunktom\ 16:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

With respect, your help appears to be an arrogant smugness, so perhaps you could either be more polite or refrain from what appears to be, telling me what to do --Irishpunktom\ 16:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

That is how it appears, perhaps not what was intended, and the statement was issued with respect, perhaps unwisely --Irishpunktom\ 16:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

NOR

I don't know what else to do - I did press "protect" and when I go to the page, my commands only allow me to "unprotect" it now sugesting it is protected. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC) Okay, I see what happened now. Anyway, it is protected. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp PR

Hello there! I remember seeing you contribute to various Holocaust-related articles. I have recently expanded the article on Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp and asked for a peer review. I thought you might want to take a look at the article and perhaps improve it or tell me what's missing. //Halibutt 00:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Good Faith

On WP:OR, you wrote:

Moreover, you are not trying to launch a discussion; rather, you (like many other new editors) have discovered that Misplaced Pages policy forbids you from making certain edits you'd like to make, so you keep insisting that policy doesn't say what it says. Jayjg 15:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't imagine you'll be able to take my comments as offered in good faith -- that's a tough skill that takes lots of practice and effort -- but could you please refrain from outright accusations of bad faith? Thanks! Ragout 02:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Violation of Assume Good Faith. That'll get you blocked.--1010011010 05:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Stark?

Hi, I don't want to "bite the newcomers"...but could you check if Pole star (talk · contribs) is a Stark sockpuppet? --JW1805 (Talk) 04:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

OR

OR? If you're referring to alternate uses of the term "New anti-Semitism" I have provided four sources, CJCurrie provides a fifth on the talk page (one Daniel Pipes). Homey 03:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I've found additional sources: Times of London, Jerusalem Report and Kol Israel's UK correspondent. Are you sure you didn't remove the alternate definition because you just dislike it or are offended by the anti-Muslim sentiment being equated with anti-Jewish sentiment? I think there's a lot of similarity between the Islamophobia and "new Anti-Semitism" debates, both of which, critics contend, being terms used to silence or delegitimise critics. Maybe we should merge the two articles? Homey 04:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge

I was joking - however, I think there are definite similarities. Homey 01:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Piła

Based on his previous behavior, it's pretty obvious that Wik is just going to revert again. What should we do? —Khoikhoi 04:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I honestly haven't ever seen him get tired. :p However, it sounds like a good method. —Khoikhoi 05:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. —Khoikhoi 05:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) Is breaking the 3RR acceptable in this case? —Khoikhoi 05:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sweet! This includes personal attacks, right? Just kiddin'. —Khoikhoi 05:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocking 1010011010

I see that you've blocked editor 1010011010, and that my warning to him to avoid incivility came too late. In my view, you are abusing your power by blocking in a case where you have a conflict of interest. WP:BLOCK states that "sysops must not block editors with whom they are currently engaged in a content dispute," and you are clearly engaged in a content dispute with 1010011010.

Also, although I do think 1010011010 has been uncivil, I think your own rudeness contributed to his incivility. For example, you mocked him with comments such as "Hmm, let's see. A new editor with 7 edits claims that he understands policy better than the person who helped draft it. ROTFL!" Again, I don't see how you can be objective in this matter, and I hope you will recuse yourself and refer it to another admin.Ragout 08:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Wik / NoPuzzleStranger / Kelmor / Darkman201

The next one: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Country_subdivisions/Naming&action=history

...:-) Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

one more: Fey aldrich - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Country_subdivisions/Naming&action=history Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• do you log the IPs? Maybe he can be sued in court? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

one more: User:Chubbch -- Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Another puppet?

I believe User:Reformado is another User:Zephram Stark puppet. Your thoughts? BDAbramson T 21:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Judah haNasi vs. Judah haNasi

Hi Jay: Hope you had a good Yom Tov! Please see User talk:Judah haNasi#Problem with your Judah haNasi user name and add your comments. Thank you. IZAK 05:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

My Admin Request

Dear Jay:

Thanks for the kind words in my RfA. I'm at a loss as to why everyone says I need broader experience. Isn't the point supposed to be that we can trust admins to deal with problems and help users to get along well?

Since I already sink hours into the wiki, I don't know that I can spare the time just to be able to do reverts, semi-block pages and have the added umph to help people play nice. --CTSWyneken 09:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Turtles

You seem to be more knowledgeable about the situation than I, so I thought I'd let you know this message was left on my talk. I think the "bot" claim warrants a block as well- I don't know what the reference to turtle means, if it's a computer term or what, but my guess would be it's a reference to a joke on my user page. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 14:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Stark

Transformed Man (talk · contribs). --JW1805 (Talk) 17:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Pinot noir (talk · contribs). --JW1805 (Talk) 01:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Vincent Cannistraro

Jay, if you have any time, could I ask you to look in on the above? A newish editor is adding his own opinions and not using the sources correctly. Any input would be appreciated. Cheers, SlimVirgin 19:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Primitive Yahwism

• I nominated this article for AfD. I chose not to use speedy because of the obvious sensitive nature of the topic, though I think you're right that the total lack of its mention anywhere probably means this guy made it up. pm_shef 20:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Doright's comments on my RfA

Since you know the history of my interactions with user Doright and since I'm still ignoring him, would you reply to his comments?

Thanks! --CTSWyneken 15:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Circumcision

Could you have a look at the latest changes, please? TipPt made a number of dubious changes, which I criticised in the talk page, with no serious responses. I reverted these. Alienus reverted and has now taken to reverting using popups (eg here). In my view these changes make the article considerably worse. Jakew 18:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

And by "worse", Jake means "not as biased towards pro-circumcision activism". I reverted using a popup because there was no need for further explanation. Jake's stated reasons are not acceptable. However, feel free to drop warnings on my page and otherwise reveal your partisanship, just in time for the RfM. Alienus 18:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, by "worse", Jake means precisely what he says, for reasons already stated in Talk:Circumcision, which nobody has yet addressed. If you think these are unacceptable, Jake suggests that you address them at the appropriate page. This page is for communication with Jayjg. Jakew 20:16, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I was under impression that this page was where you turned on the |Bat Signal that summons your patron pro-circ admin. Alienus 20:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I think the article needs a few snips ... ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor (talk • contribs)

Zephram Stark?

Is Vista Delay (talk · contribs) a Stark sockpuppet? --JW1805 (Talk) 00:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I can assure you that I am not a sockpuppet, JW1805. Do you even know the definition of a sockpuppet? --Vista Delay 01:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Martin Luther (Again)

Please take a look at the talk page. We're on the verge of an edit war. Am I crazy here? --CTSWyneken 02:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Could an administrator contact me by email?

I request that an administrator contact me by email through the listed email address in my preferences to help me on an important matter. drboisclair 15:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I request that user page User:drboisclair and its talk page be protected from editing, as I wish that user to be retired. drboisclair 16:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please disregard this request. I do not wish to retire: I would lose my edit count, which admittedly is not very high. Drbois 20:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Request

Hi Jayjg,

Would you be able to block someone for violation of the 3RR for me? Thanks. —Khoikhoi 04:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, another use took care of it. Thanks anyways, —Khoikhoi 19:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Banned editors

"Reverting a banned editor is never considered vandalism, regardless of the alleged quality of the edit." That's just sick. By reverting to the worse version you just descend to the level of the "banned editor", becoming a vandal yourself. Our goal here is to build the encyclopedia, not punish some people. Doing harmful reverts cannot be justified. It is vandalism, plain and simple.  Grue  09:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Various Items

Dear Jay: Thanks for taking care to reply. I'm not overly worried about all of this at the RfA. I'm just trying to understand what people are expecting that I'm not doing. I thought I was ready for this or I never would have allowed my name to stand.

No rush on the Luther pages right now, except to take a look at the vote on the Martin Luther page. --CTSWyneken 10:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Advice Requested

Dear Jayjg, I am Chai Walla. I am involved in editing and interested in discussing on a few pages mostly related to Eastern Esoterica=Nath, Tantra and a few teachers. I was just informed by another editor that I am a confirmed sockpuppet. This is not true. I did while travelling edit behind the same router as Baba Louis. We are not the same person and never have been. The problem is that another editor does not want to discuss in good faith, as he is convinced that the sockpuppets are "ganging up". While I had poked around Misplaced Pages for some time prior to my first edits, I was unaware of the concept of a sockpuppet when I edited behind the same router. I feel I have the capacity and knowledge for worthwhile contributions in a few areas. The page where my "sockpuppet" status was revealed to me as an issue is atYogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath, at the bottom of the page. Please advise as I do not know how to resolve this issue so that other editors will discuss in good faith and without paranoid suspicion. Thanks in advance-Chai Walla 07:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Editing my comment to let you know that I've decided to file an RfC against the problem user: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Israelbeach Thanks for your attention, you'd be surprised how much that simple comment on my talk page meant to me. --Woggly 11:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jay, thanks for your offer of help. I've come across an extremely unpleasant user whom I honestly don't know how to deal with. He's been playing Misplaced Pages in a way that needs to stop. I turned to the other administrators at the point when I no longer trusted my own motives - would blocking him be necessary damage control or just sheer vindictiveness?

The user, Israelbeach (talk · contribs), has stated that he is Joel Leyden (see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Joel Leyden). I ran a search on the name Joel Leyden in Hebrew (ג'ואל ליידן) on Google Israel and discovered that about 10 months ago he issued a press release for the Public Relations firm that he owns, about how he can optimise use of the internet as a PR tool, and how he can guarantee his customers that their product will show up in high places on internet search motors. I suspect that Leyden is attempting to use Misplaced Pages as a tool for his PR firm. I find this absolutely despicable.

As I see it, Israelbeach has committed the following "offenses":

• Started a slew of vanity articles about himself, his business and his friends, of questionable noteability. He gives as evidence of notability references to his own news agency. (examples: Israel News Agency, Charley Levine, Sara Silber, Chaim Emmett and Archie Granot).
• Created a host of sockpuppets to support himself, to defend his articles on AfD, and to circumvent 3RR (see: Misplaced Pages:Requests for CheckUser#Israelbeach aka Joel Leyden)
• Has deleted (via one of his sockpuppets) comments of another user who opposed him on a talk page
• Is attempting to use the article Ra'anana to promote a cause with which he is personally involved, a lobby for divorced fathers' rights. For this end he has inserted a questionable paragraph to the end of the article, which has been discussed on the talk page and removed several times by various editors including myself, only to be reverted time and again by him and his sockpuppets. He takes care to circumvent 3RR by use of sockpuppets. He and his sockpuppets have by now reverted the page at least 11 times in the past three days (it is currently protected to prevent this recurring).
• Constantly accuses anyone who engages in discussion with him of "personal attacks", "vandalism", "slander"; threatens all sorts of actions including legal action against his opposers; is generally extremely unpleasant.

Asides from just bugging the heck out of me, I truly believe this is a dangerous user, in that he is working out ways to manipulate Misplaced Pages for his personal gain. I realise this is a severe accusation, which is why I would like to get more Misplaced Pages administrators involved in dealing with this person. If I just go ahead and block him and his sockpuppets, he'll simply lodge a complaint against me and invent some story about this being my personal vendetta or something. And he's bound to pop up again under some different guise. His articles will continue surviving AfD because they're written well enough to seem plausibly noteable, and most of the voters don't know enough about Israel to judge notability in Israel -not to mention the sockpuppet votes he uses just in case.

What do I do? How do I deal with this creep? Thanks. --Woggly 06:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh my, I've just read this article which was linked to from Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Joel Leyden, and learned a new term: Search Engine Optimizer. Wouldn't you say this is signing his own confession? --Woggly 07:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Jay, I don't have access to the maillists, so, yes, I would appreciate your bringing the matter to the attention of other wikipedians. Thanks. --Woggly 18:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Jay - first, objectively find out who I am and read what I have done in and out of Wiki before you start shooting. Thanks IsraelBeach 01:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Chabad issues

Jay, I am concerned about User:Meshulam's recent meshichist edits over at Chabad-Lubavitch, but I'm not sure exactly how to deal with them. Maybe you could check it out and comment/revert. See the talk page also. Thanks, DLand 04:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC).

Please have my account permanently deleted

I did ask for this account to be permently deleted at the beginning of April and was told that it would be by user: Musical Linguist. It seems she didn't do this as was requested.

It now seems that someone else has been editing using the account because the edits on April 20th and April 23rd are not by me and I am amazed that user: Deskana would want my talk page unprotected - why could that be? he said so he can contact me, but, over 24 hours later, he hasn't.

Now, could someone now PLEASE permanently delete it. Robsteadman 19:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Jay. Regarding this request, please see here. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 21:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!!

Thank you so much for confirming the socks of Bonaparte. Would you be able to block them now, as one of them (Andrei George) has been very disruptive? Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 23:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. —Khoikhoi 23:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Could you check User:BaNaTeaN as well? —Khoikhoi 00:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

As a possible sock of Bonny. —Khoikhoi 00:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess not. —Khoikhoi 05:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk page technical issue

I'm not quite sure how this happened but on my talk page when you click on a section edit it shows the previous discussion instead of the next one. Maybe this sounds kinda confusing, but if you try you'll see what I mean. Do you think you could point me in a direction to someone that knows how to fix stuff like this? Thanks- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 11:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

wik sock Chubbch

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Country_subdivisions/Naming&action=history — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobias Conradi (talk • contribs)

Sockpuppet of himself?

Just out of curiosity, why did you put the warning on Wik's old user page stating that Wik is a suspected sockpuppet of Wik? Isn't that a little redundant? Brian Schlosser42 16:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

That makes sense. It just seemed a little redundant at first...Brian Schlosser42 17:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

ZS check

Hi, can you check to see if Kaspersky Trust (talk · contribs) is a Zephram sockpuppet? He modified two of my images (Image:Apalachicolabay.jpg and Image:Apalachicola River.jpg), and is uploading photos that look doctored. He is also strangely anti-Misplaced Pages Commons for a new user (most of Zephram's images have been nominated for deletion there). Just wanted to call this to your attention. --JW1805 (Talk) 16:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• I could be wrong about this one...but he does seem to be fixated on photos that I've uploaded. And for a Russian Orthodox priest (who doesn't seem to be able to write in Russian), he sure knows his way around Photoshop. --JW1805 (Talk) 20:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Are you following this? User talk:Kaspersky Trust --JW1805 (Talk) 21:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Jayjg! I am willing to take full responsibility for this user. So far it looks like he became a victim of cascading autoblock following you brief blocking/unblocking him on April 25. From what I've seen he is a newcomer we bit pretty hard. Could you please contact him and explain what exactly happened? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 01:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I would be interested to see the proof, please. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 21:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

C'mon, at least give the guy credit. That was bloody funny. Especially the bit about singing irish songs and throwing peanut shells on the floor. when are you guys going to lighten up some? ElectricRay 21:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Woggly

I would like to bring to your attention that a request for comment on User:Woggly's conduct has been filed. Bonnieisrael 17:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Check out my post and tell me if I am right or wrong

Hello I made a post here

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse

Number 7.18 ,Kurt Leyman, and I would be forever thankfull if someone, could be you could be anyone who has delt with long time vandalism, told me if I am right or wrong. (Deng 18:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

I got your message but I dont see it as desputes I see it as vandalism over a long period of time. A content despute is if you have a source A that says something and I have a source B that says something else.

But changeing numbers and systematically minimizing axis losses and maximizing allied losses and the removal of key paragraphs and sentances must be vandalism. That is why I posted 55 seperate articles to show a patern, that it cant be a content despute but acts of vandalism. And Some acts of vandalism are easy to spot as he rounds up numbers or down to the closest thousand 10 thousand or even 100 thousand So do you still consider after reading this reply that I should post it on a content despute page and not on the long term vandalism page? (Deng 18:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

This is clearly a long-term content dispute, spread over several articles, between these two. Each is pushing a POV; each reverts the other; Deng includes numerous personal attacks with his reverts. Charging user Kurt leyman with vandalism is an abuse of the process IMO. User Deng was blocked for personal attacks a few weeks ago; within minutes of the block lift he was attacking user Kurt leyman again. DMorpheus 20:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly a dispute over the content of several articles and general inability of the two of them to work together. Plainly an issue for WP:RFC or WP:RFAr. Deng has been told this several times by no fewer than three people, including two administrators (myself and Woohookitty), and now Jayjg, an arbitrator. The essential problem is that Deng can't accept that it really is not considered vandalism, and instead keeps shopping around for someone to say it is. Which isn't going to happen. Hope springs eternal that he'll try dispute resolution instead. · Katefan0/poll 20:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

DMorpheus withholds information here because I only revert changes back to the origianl version which had stated and refered numbers. DMorpheus him self has reverted the vandal many times and DMorpheus, Katefan0 and Woohookitty have axes to grind with me. So what they have to say is given and they are more then willing to jump in when the possibility appears. That is why someone neutral needs to look at the acts of vandalism and see for them selves without the influence of anyone what is going on. To see the whole and complete picture, that is what someone needs to do.

One only needs to look here at his ip comment and one will see this http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:213.243.185.219

You have editted a number of pages, changing numbers, deleting text, adding other text/numbers, without providing any references for your information, please do not do this, also, do not delete text from talk pages.

I think that togheter with my post proves my case

(Deng 20:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

Absolutely ludicrous. I've never edited a single article in common with you, how could I have an axe to grind? Does Jayjg also have an axe to grind with you? Listen, you're just plain wrong. You can continue to post to venues like AIV and continue to have your posts removed if you want. But WP:RFC or WP:RFAr is where you need to go from here. · Katefan0/poll 21:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

You said I hade called someone an idiot, I said no you said yes, I said no, then you changed your version and said well calling someones statement idiotic is just an advanced way of calling someone an idiot. And when I got blocked (and later unblocked) a few weeks back you were quick to gloat on my talk page. And that is just a small part of the story and the only thing ludicrous is that you are trying to cover up the past. And I didnt say this user has a an axe to grind with me. Who did I say has an axe to grind with me ? I am wrong am I? Then if I am so wrong then why couldnt you explain on your talk page how my reasoning was wrong and if I am wrong then why was I told to post on the AIV page, read more here. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_investigation/Archives/2006/04 And If I am wrong then why couldnt you explain it on your own talk page why couldnt you respond to my reasoning there and you still havent respond. Just because you say something dosent make it right. So just saying you are wrong dosent make that true. You actually have to debate and bring arguments and not just say you are wrong. But you have no intrest in a debate now do you.(Deng 22:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

I (and other users) have already explained why this is a dispute between you and Kurt, you've just chosen not to listen because it's contrary to your own opinion. That's all I have to say here. · Katefan0/poll 23:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

That is the thing, you havent explained shit you just ignored me ignoreing and explaing are not the same thing. Just as you ignored my reasoning on your page and refused to respond to any of it. You do nothing but discredit me, the issue at hand you totally ignore. I have explained everything in such detail on the long termn vandal page but you ignore allof that respond to nothing of it and just say you are wrong. And you prevent me from inquiring from others why I am wrong you not only discredit me but you also prevent me from makeing any progress in any direction what so ever.(Deng 23:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lance Mazmanian

Wondering if you wouldn't mind eyeballing this for me. I have the feeling that it's a vanity page and fairly strong evidence that some (though not all) of the "Keep" votes are from a group of friends of his. It just feels like they're trying to wikilawyer their way into keeping the page. Is there any strong argument I'm forgetting? Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola 23:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the look. You should also look at the edit history for Publisher dude, who is doing the main arguing with me and whose edit history is pretty much just the afd and the page. Should that also be noted? Another question - what exactly can I do aside from RfC to get more neutral experienced editors in the conversation? Seems that a group is trying to slide the nom, and it'd at least be nice to have a clear majority of experienced members of the community, even if they disagree with me. Thanks again! Girolamo Savonarola 02:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Just another RFA thank you note

I appreciate your vote and your kind words in my RFA. It has passed with an unexpected 114/2/2 and I feel honored by this show of confidence in me. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens 02:13, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your post

Dear Jayjg, I have respected your impartiality, and I appreciate your admonition to follow the Three Revert Rule not only according to the "letter of the law" but according to the "spirit of the law". I do want to know what recourse I may have when I encounter an administrator, who engages in biased (POV) conduct, as I have encountered. Sometimes when an editor feels that there is POV activity on the other side, he or she feels compelled to revert. Please respond, Drboisclair 14:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Doright and Luther Talk Page

Dear Jay:

Is it really necessary to have the whole contents of archived talk dumped back into the talk page? --CTSWyneken 18:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! --CTSWyneken 19:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Userpage

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. Garion96 22:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Really Small Question

Did you really become an Admin in 3 months? Or is it a typo? :)

Cheers

-Sangil 22:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte again

Ok, here's a new possible sock of Bonny - Hassion (talk · contribs). I'm pretty positive that it's him because this edit and this one are characteristic of him. —Khoikhoi 00:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Would you also be able to check Constantzeanu (talk · contribs) as a possible sock of Bonaparte? This edit, this one, and this one makes me suspicious. —Khoikhoi 08:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Another is Steaua (talk · contribs) - check out his Bonapartian activity on Aromanians and his amazing knowledge about 3RR for a newcomer. —Khoikhoi 18:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

And yet another! Greier (talk · contribs) —Khoikhoi 18:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

You have no proof. Now stop this. --Steaua 18:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

How about this edit? Bonaparte & Node ue had gotten into a lot of conflicts back in December. —Khoikhoi 18:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Very simple, Node was the only promoter on Moldovan language of Moldovenism even where it doesn't exists. Telex (talk · contribs) was just reverted today there by romanian Admin Bogdan. And you are the first victim of this paranoia.--Steaua 18:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. What about Greier? Here's my proof - this edit if very similar to that of Bonaparte's beliefs, and he has previously edit wared on that article as Andrei George. —Khoikhoi 22:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Coren

I'm a bit puzzled. The first edit by this editor was back in 2003. Not a particularly active user until very recently, but not a newbie either. I wonder what's going on there? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

User: Darkred

Everyday for almost a week this user has reverted a previous edit on the Richard Nelson Frye article that was agreed on with consensus, his edit summary always consists of a fallacious accusation of vandalism and is usually marked as minor. This is becoming increasingly irritating. I do not understand his motivation for doing this since it was not just me that agreed upon the wording. I've tried to reason with him on the talk page but this seems to spur him on to make more increasingly odd accusations.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 21:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg is the one constantly vandalizing the iran-related articles, he even times my reverts of his vandalism so he can revert 3 times without violating 3RR. He has reported me for 3RR i did not know about being new to wiki, some days ago. Currently he is reverting the constantly, stating that they reached an agreement to call him distinguished instead of eminent! Which they did not, you can see the talk page for yourself and see that he is clearly lying! I have not reported him for his constant reverting of iran-related pages until this moment. Thank you --Darkred 22:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

i dont understand!

you again reverted without reason, and in spite of source, then you said (as per talk)? I clearly explained everything to you in talk section, please refrain from reverting again, next time i will have to report you for vandalism, you being an administrator or not will not change anything. Thank you for you cooperation. --Darkred 01:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

alburini ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=65.81.21.167

This New Guy

Dear Jay:

Would you run check on this hasdubal? It feels funny to me that he would delete the same material that an IP editor just did. Thanks! Bob --CTSWyneken 18:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Given the below, no need. I don't think he intended anything by it. Bob --CTSWyneken 19:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi

I seem to have stepped into an edit war; I shall refrain from further involvement in it. I do not doubt that the paragraph quoted above, in German, is genuine. It is simply that I thought it clear that a more careful wording of our interpretation was in order. Since you believe that this opinion, being mine, is irrelevant, I suppose it is useless to contribute any further comments on this matter. Hasdrubal 18:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, as for "the IP editor": that was myself - I forgot to log in before doing a change. Sorry about that. Hasdrubal 18:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Jayjg: as I said, I am staying out of this. Still: the original text itself is clear and legible (in German), and available in the talk page. Surely this is a different situation from, say, that in an article about a battle, where doing the footwork to gather witness reports would constitute original research? Hasdrubal 20:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, I must say that I am mildly amused when my use of the idiomatic expression "in my opinion" (or some such thing) is seen as making my comments on a situation irrelevant. Perhaps I should try to be ruder in the future. Hasdrubal 20:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

It is clear that you are in a position to define what is source-based research as opposed to original research, as far as this encyclopaedia is concerned. Hasdrubal 20:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

alburini again ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=50661265

A favor please

Hello friend, do you remember me? In the month of September 2005, your vote had made me an administrator. we all know that the life here is exciting and full of challenges. I would request you to please spare fem moments for me, and favor me with your comments and suggestions (here please) on my performance as a wikipedian. Let us continue to build the Better than the Best global encyclopedia. Thank you and regards. --Bhadani 10:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Arb Case Mistake

Hi, im confused about something said in a report on the Arbirition case against me.

In this report, it states that i had warred on Gothic Metal, and been placed on Probation. It also says i violated WP:CITE. I want to know how this came about, when both myself and User:Parasti provided diffs to me citing sources. It also says this as a 'finding of fact'. In which case, here is the speficic sections which falsly accuse me of not providing sources, and the evidence that supported this, and the accompnying diffs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Leyasu#Failure_to_cite_sources_and_original_research

Finding Of Fact Contrary To Provided Diffs

Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence, taken from Parasti's Evidence. Diff from Evidence, taken from Diff from Evidence, taken from Leys Evidence. Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence taken from Leys Evidence Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence, taken from Leys Evidence

I even went as far as to quoting and explaining the sources on the talk page, .

I got all these diffs from the archive of the Arbirition case, Here.

I just want to know why all eight claimed i provided no sources, even though another involved party provided diffs of me providing sources, and i repeatedly gave diffs of me supplying sources. Im not having a go, im just confused how 8 Arbirrators managed to claim a 'finding of fact' despite over 10 diffs from two different users =\ Ley Shade 15:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: xenu.net

Please take a look at the information that several editors (myself included) have offered about the contents and "personal" nature of xenu.net on this talk page (part of Terryeo's RfA). Thank you. BTfromLA 15:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Your quick addition of sourcing for a claim on Circumcision is another example of how much you've helped the article. Good work.  :) Kasreyn 07:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Beisnj

You blocked this editor, and they have been requesting an unblock. Could you please take a look at their talk page and see if you need to review the block at all. Cheers, Petros471 18:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Revert of Recent Luther and the Jews Line

Dear Jay: Paul McCain cited the McKim book for this info. Are you saying that you checked the page in McKim and it isn't there? --CTSWyneken 10:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... Well, I can pull McKim and check it, if he restores the statement. Or ask him to do it... --CTSWyneken 16:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I know him in real life. He is a scholar in his own right and has done fine work, when he's inclined to do it. Not that I'm suggesting kid gloves with him, but it is a mistake to simply write him off. He also is inclined to argue and is not known for NPOV.

On the substance of the quote, there are scholars that do maintain that Luther was a child of his time and that anti-semitism (or anti-Judaism, depending on the scholar) was the attitude of almost all Christians of the time. The difference, in their opinion, was not the substance of Luther's rhetoric, but that he wrote only too well. In my view, it makes little different, by the way. Luther ought to have known better, considering his earlier disposition especially. He rightly deserves to be condemned for the attitude and the words expressed in these horrid works.

But my view or yours or McCain's or others do not matter here. What have the scholars said? That's what makes a difference.

By the way, do you know where I can get an article out of Jewish Affairs? I'm having trouble tracking down a library that owns it. I'm trying to verify the citation. --CTSWyneken 17:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The former is a popular editon of the Book of Concord, the latter one of his scholarly. Most of his scholarly work is in journal article form, essays and chapters in books and as an editor and some work ghost writing. His current position is the Interim President of Concordia Publishing House. For example, Sasse, Hermann,Christ and his church : essays. eds. Ronald R. Feuerhahn, Matthew C. Harrison, Paul T. McCain. St. Louis, Mo. : Office of the President, Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod, c1997-; Church and ministry : the collected papers of the 150th Anniversary Theological Convocation of The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod, eds. Jerald C. Joerz and Paul T. McCain. St. Louis, Mo. : Office of the President, The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod, c1998; Mysteria Dei : essays in honor of Kurt Marquart eds Paul T. McCain and John R. Stephenson. Fort Wayne, Ind. : Concordia Theological Seminary Press, c1999. If you'd like, I can locate some of his articles for you. --CTSWyneken 19:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Wik

Hi, can you please block User:Correction. as an obvious sockpuppet of Wik? Thanks a lot. —Khoikhoi 19:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for voting at my RFA. Even though you did not vote for me, your counsel was appreciated. In the next few months, I intend to work on expanding my involvement in other namespaces and try a few different subjects than in the past. - CTSWyneken

Flag

The problem is, Wik is tag-teaming. One sock makes his desired edit, another then blanks (seconds later). Rollback then reverts to what is in fact his desired edit. I'm not sure that manually closing open proxies one at a time is doing the job, there seem to be a whole lot of them out there. Well, go ahead and unprotect in any case. -- Curps 21:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Jesus, this fool Wik is ridiculously smart. Any idea of what he does for a living? —Khoikhoi 01:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

For replacing the original research debunking the claims about Jews and Israel on 9/11 conspiracy theories with valid secondary sources

--DCAnderson 20:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The Fungi to be with

... So isn't it time everyone just let bygones be bygones? I mean, what is it really achieving, this shoot on sight policy - other than providing a great deal of amusement to car-crash onlookers like me? It isn't stopping him, and it's wasting a whole lot time and effort that could be more productively used - and he has actually contributed some quite useful information (which has been reverted on principle by JW1805). If he was simply ignored for, say a month, he'd be back in under a new identity, and no-one would need to be any the wiser. ElectricRay 22:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... the suggestion JW hasn't been looking for him is a bit of a stretch, but no matter: as you quite rightly say, he does seem to like it, so you may as well buckle yourself in for a long ride. Happy Travels! ElectricRay 22:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

A landslide victory for The JPS (aka RFA thanks)

Hey, Jayjg/Archive 15, thank you so much for your vote and comments in my RfA, which passed with an overwhelming consensus of 95/2/2. I was very surprised and flattered that the community has entrusted me with these lovely new toys. I ripped open the box and started playing with them as soon as I got them, and I've already had the pleasure of deleting random nonsense/attacks/copyvios tonight. If I ever do anything wrong, or can help in some way, please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page, and I will do my best to correct my mistake, or whatever... Now, to that bottle of wine waiting for me... The JPS 22:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

your comments

I think your comments were very unfair, and the term misapplied. However, I have already said, I won't be talking to FeleniousMonk further, I will avoid articles we had conflict over, and I will avoid the "dominionism" topic area in general at this point. I don't see what more can be done than that. I prefer to start a clean slate with a clean talk page (while keeping the archive). --Rob 23:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Aucaman arbcom

Dear Jayjg, I saw that you proposed SouthernComfort and ManiF for topical bans..just wanted to give you heads up that they are two of the most prominent contributers to Iran-related articles. I hope you have considered this fact first.

Also wanted to say that Aucaman earlier today spammed about 20-30 users talk pages (Special:Contributions/Aucaman), although he is warned about reverting, but perhaps other decisions might be useful too. Much thanks, -- - K a s h 23:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman arbcom case and your involvement

Please recuse yourself from this case, due to your past activities and involvements in articles such as Persian people, and Khomeini, in which you had the opposite POV of the same editors whom you are now making propositions against in the arbitration case. As such, your involvement in this case may be highly inappropriate.

If you cannot recuse yourself, I would have to bring this to the attention of Jimbo. Please give me a reply by no later than this time tomorrow. Thank you kindlyZmmz 00:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

When I first read some of your comments in those articles I thought you are another user whose POV sympathizes with that of Aucaman`s. I was surprised that; nevertheless, you were an ArbCom member who had gone head-to-head with some the same editors whom you are now making proposals against? Whether or not you see it yourself, you certainly are not 100 percent neutral here (there is a conflict of interest), and you should have done the honourable thing and recused yourself, like Domini did with the case of Zora. There is no excuse for this, as the diffs showing your tilted comments are self explanatory. In fact, as another ArbCom member just indicated via vote, some of your proposals are “ overkill”. Indeed, I am looking at your admin request page right now, and upon a review, one can see that even back then many voted against your adminship on the grounds of your one-sided edits. And, despite evidence showing for the past year, user Zora had extensively lobbied outside of Wiki to recruit editors against the so called Nazi Iranians, here you failed to submit a vote on the proposals against her?

In regards to the situation, there is just a geo-political climate around that can easily be seen in Wiki as well, in that certain ethnic groups are trying to dismember a country like Iran, and all these editors came in to try to defend the accuracy of their heritage. Many average Joes like Zora are being manipulated into falsehoods by paid authors and/or native political activists on Wiki for example, that are sympathizers with terrorist groups like Al-Ahwaz that are fighting to detach an ancient Persian province from Iran due to its rich petroleum productivity. Under the name of human rights, even people like Zora are tricked into believing the province belongs to Arabs (which was Zora`s first dispute a year ago in the Ahvaz article; i.e. she was disputing the etymology by saying it is Arabic, while she had no idea it is historically inaccurate; yet, she realized it herself later: the whole thing was suggest to her by a now gone/banned user named…yes, Ahwaz). In the mean time these Persian editors are labeled fascists, nationalists etc….which really isn` t true, specially, in the case of users like Southerncomfort. Incidentally, the geo-political issues are not limited to a volatile country like Iran; indeed, Greeks too are finding themselves defending against the de-Hellenisation of her proud past (Former Yugoslav Republic, now renamed for some reason Macedonia, is claiming Alexander was not Greek?). These are all brainchild products of Petroleum Politics my dear sir.

At any rate, I have no more time to spend on Wiki, but just for your own sake, please recuse/rescind yourself from this case. This case is very close to being one that needs to be discussed with Jimbo, and you may very well be the bully-pulpit who broke the camel’s back here. Give me one last reply within two hours of getting this note. Thank you kindlyZmmz 17:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I figured you would give a response like that. OK.Zmmz 19:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Passover and Christianity

Hi Jay, I hope you had a great Pesach!: Please see the new discussions, and add your views, at Talk:Passover#Passover in the Christian tradition, again. Thank you. IZAK 03:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Isis (not the goddess)

The problem was that someone removed the {{verify}} template without actually verifying anything. But it reminds me I intended to translate the קהילת המודיעין הישראלית — perhaps it will serve as an impetus against such original research in the future (naturally, I'm inclined to blame you, even though I ought to have picked up on it earlier). I'm going to go ahead and do that right now. Do you have any idea what I'm talking about? All the best, El_C 04:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Uninicidentally, I just rewrote Ephraim Halevi from scratch. El_C 05:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman proposed decision

I hope you don't mind another question re the Aucaman case. The currently proposed decisions are worded all as if they are based solely on the principles of "no edit warring" and "civility". Of course, the importance of these principles is beyond question, but I have the feeling that in this case they address only the superficial symptoms of the conflict, not its deeper roots. I wonder to what degree criteria such as "collective POV pushing" or "divisiveness/factionalising behaviour" have been taken into account in the proposals so far, and if yes, whether it would be good to spell that out explicitly in the proposed decision. To my mind, that might also lead to certain readjustments in the severity of the sanctions to be handed out (among other things, I'd personally actually plead for lighter measures against SouthernComfort, but also against Aucaman.) - Would you be prepared to consider concrete proposals on the workshop page from us at this stage? Lukas 15:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lukas. Can you be more specific when you say "collective POV pushing" or "divisiveness/factionalising behaviour"? What does it consist of, who has been doing it, etc.? Jayjg 16:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I was thinking mainly of the stuff that is in the evidence page (I know, that page is a mess, and I can't blame anybody if they should have overlooked this or that bit there): Factionalising by Zmmz/ManiF/Zereshk (Evidence); Divisive lobbying by Zereshk and ManiF inside and outside the site (Evidence); abuse of process by failing to work towards an agreement in good faith during the mediation (Evidence). Also: persistent failure by Zmmz to accept NPOV policies:

"It is not an encyclopedia’s job to cite all sides of an argument" ()

"No politically controversial views, no alternative views, no change of wording to make an article pro or against anything should be allowed in Wiki" ()

"it is not the job of an encyclopedia to promote all views which may be numerous into an article. It is the job of academia to search for the facts, and there can only be one version of the truth" ()

These latter ones were also somewhere in the evidence submitted by Zora (). Please let me know if you want something else summarised - I know it must be terrible to have to wade through those masses of text there. If you did read these and they didn't convince you, I'd still be grateful for a short note.

Lukas 16:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg, you've now seen Zmmz in action against yourself, so you can perhaps begin to imagine what people like Aucaman and Zora have been going through. This edit (), where he accuses Zora of "being manipulated into falsehoods by paid authors and/or native political activists on Wiki", and repeats the absurd lie that she has "lobbied outside of Wiki to recruit editors against the so called Nazi Iranians", is the last straw for me. Can we ask for sanctions for this kind of behaviour (abuse of process / defamation / vexatious litigation)? I'm prepared to make a formal motion on the workshop page, and/or summarise more evidence on that point if you wish. Lukas 14:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Zora

This user is blanking the article on Ajith citing past cleanup issues (that are now rectified). He has begun a revert war unnecessarily. He has removed all links and whole paragraphs (created out of several weeks of research and contribution by many editors) without bothering to discuss. I tried to explain the quality of the article in vain. Please restrain him. Anwar saadat 16:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

This user is also blanking the article on Vijay_(actor) citing non-existent cleanup issues. He is also threatening to block me citing 3RR. He has removed links and whole paragraphs. He has no idea what is important and what is not in the world of Kollywood but continues to vandalise in the name of patrol. If you look at his log, it will be apparent that this user has not contributed much other than revert others' contributions. Please restrain him. Anwar saadat 17:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Yakir Yerushalayim

Just started this article. If you have any further info on the award or any recipients, please update. Thanks! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

More recently added articles that may interest you

And to which you may be able to contribute...

• Malachi ben Jacob
• Hezekiah Gaon
• Moses ben Hanoch
• Isaac ben Ezra
• Menahem ben Saruq
• Abraham Prochownik (this was the subject of a little tif between me and Ghirlandajo)
• Abraham of Aragon
• Bebai ben Abaye

--Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Qana shelling/user page vandal

Here is the vandalism to my user page.
He seems to think that I have been editing the Qana shelling page, when, in fact, I have only reverted vandalism on it over a week ago. I do not watch the page, and only stumbled across the vandalism. Please take the appropriate actions against Grozhner, who I am fairly certain is a sockpuppet. — ßottesiηi 19:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

9/11 vandalism

Hi Jayjg. I'm requesting that the page protection be removed on the 9/11 page. It's been a while since that incident and we usually don't have a lot of problems there either. Thanks. SkeenaR 20:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I just figured it was most likely safe now. I doubt he would have much of a chance to create trouble there as there are about a dozen serious editors involved in the page at this point. I think it would be OK to unprotect. SkeenaR 22:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm assuming for example editors like 198.207.168.65 are unable to contribute. He should not be required to register and this article and others will suffer as a result. The protection is a hindrance and I think probably unnecessary as we can kick the troll out any old time if we need to. Perhaps you are right about leaving the protection up though, but for how long? I'm not saying it's a huge deal, but I think it would be pretty bad if stretched out. SkeenaR 03:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Is that the same guy who just wrote about the debris field? I'm guessing it is. SkeenaR 04:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Hello Jayjg/Archive 15, and thanks for supporting me on my recent request for adminship! It has succeeded with an unanimous support of 67 votes, so that I am now an administrator. Please feel free to leave a note on my talk page should you wish to leave any comments or ask for any help. Again, thanks a lot, AndyZ t 22:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to start a new page, so I'm entering here-your addition of S. Freud to the list of self - hating Jews is irrational, self hating is being defined as not some internal mechanism, but rather objective anti Jewish statements and/or behavior meant to be hurtful- whatever source you can claim that uses those words with respect to Freud is not using them in the same sense that the others on the list are referred to as self haters - I will be forced to remove Freud's name as many times as necessary to protect the integrity of the usage of the term.63.205.151.68 00:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Stark, probably

I think Dotan (talk · contribs) is probably Zephram as well. He edited one of my images, and is responding a Jimbo's talk page to his other sockpuppets. --JW1805 (Talk) 21:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Alienus ban

Could you please tell me where you have logged this ban as I would like to comment. Sophia 16:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

where you the one that blocked the original willy on wheels-Taracka

NAS

Oh come on Jayjg, you aren't exactly helping matters by acting as SV's attack dog (or is she yours?). Can you seriously say your posts are civil? As for my "conspiratorial" view, do you really, honestly think SV's emails to me were appropriate and were not implicitly threatening? I think we all need to be a bit more objective and fair-minded towards each other. Your comments fall far short of that standard as do SVs. Homey 03:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

According to SVs comments to CJCurrie, mediation was not to begin until May 11th so what mediation is it that I'm not pariticipating in at the moment, exactly? You are castigating me for not participating in mediation that wasn't even going to begin for another three days. In future please base your rhetoric on facts.Homey 03:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Orthodox rabbis

Hi Jay: You may want to take a look at the latest developments at Category talk:Orthodox rabbis. All the best. IZAK 06:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Feminist Partnership Minyan

Hi Jay: Please look at the article itself and its edits and the talk at Talk:Partnership Minyan. Thanks. IZAK 08:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's Integrity: Does Anybody Care?

Over the last few months I have worked hard to raise a red flag about extremist groups using Misplaced Pages for propaganda purposes. I have now brought the issue to the attention of those at the very highest levels within the Misplaced Pages community.

Now that I have gone through all of Misplaced Pages's bureaucratic hoops, what steps are being taken to correct the problem? How are policies being changed to prevent advocacy groups from using Misplaced Pages to disseminate propaganda?

There is widespread agreement that "Societal attitudes towards homosexuality" is not an impartial article written by impartial people, but nobody cares enough to fix the problem. Is leaving the same group of editors in charge of the same article supposed to produce different results somehow? How long will it be before the article claims a correlation between natural disasters and Protestantism again? Now that this has been brought to the attention of the powers that be, what mechanism has been put into place to prevent that from happening again?

Can it be that nobody in the Misplaced Pages community, including ArbCom and Jimbo, cares about the integrity of Misplaced Pages? I have suggested several approaches to help prevent this kind of misuse of Misplaced Pages in the future. Is Misplaced Pages going to adopt these approaches, or will you continue to ignore the problem and discipline whistleblowers instead?

We all know that ArbCom knows how to give users the boot - they do it all the time - but who is going to actually fix the problem?

Lou franklin 15:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

What's the big idea?

You're not allowed to remove sourced material without discussion. Stop being a vandal. ForgetNever 16:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)