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rapid deletion

Hi im saddened that you deemed all of my contributions to internet activism to be promotional and deleted them without so much as a discussion about deletion.

I am new to this but i am also an experienced reseracher and writer with a genuine contribution to make.

I can see how you may have seen it as promotional, but I need to know with more specificity what the key problems were.

In the absence of other input im assuming that it was not the text that i inserted that you objected to but the fact that the refrences that i made contained hyperlinks back to pages that would enbale readers to purchase the materials mentioned. if this is so i understand and would be happy to not inlcude such hyperlinks in future.

if it was that i was quoting from the same book, that is becuase the book is newly out and covers the topics in question. There were existing gaps for example in relation to anti-corporate activism, and my contributions were a genuine improvement, yet all of the text i placed has been removed becuase it was deemed promotional, seemingly without regard to whether it had intellectual value.

Would it not be better to have a deletion discussion and indicate that the hyperlinks should be removed.

Anyway, im prepared to learn by experience but i would like your honest feedback.

I would like to make a positive contribution to the pages about activism which is my academic speciality, but i could also just be discouraged.

From my experiences i can see it would be a mistake to put too much tiem into a wikipedia contribution becuase they can be axed very quickly and without discussion.

Activ9 (talk) 04:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The issue here is that you seem to be interested in using Misplaced Pages to promote your book and, through that, yourself. I am sure that you are able to contribute in your area of expertise without it seeming like you are trying to promote yourself, and you are welcome to do so. Please read WP:COI before attempting any more editing, though. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Thanks for responding, and i have read the notes about not being promotional. i understand that you deleted it for that reason, but i was hoping for some more specific feedback ot help me know how youd like it modified. This is becuase i still feel that my text was a valid contribution to some areas in which wikipedia actually had observable gaps, (anti- corporate activism; the security risks of using digital tools) but I'm guessing that the referencing and hyperlinking appears to be the issue.Id like to stop guessing and be given some definite guidance here. Its confusing becuase everything useful has been wiped not just the parts you thought overstepped the line. Im left a little confused as to whether citing a book is OK in several different places if it doesnt have hyperlinks leading back to the books page.?? Im not trying to annoy you im genuinely seeking constructive feedback on why 100% of my contributions were removed rather than just specific parts that offended wikipedia policies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.2.35.159 (talk) 03:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I get the impression from what you added that you are going to cite your own book as the source for whatever you add. If it is a good source, someone else will use it as a source here, so, given your conflict of interest, perhaps it would be best to let someone else with more Misplaced Pages experience fix up those articles. On the other hand, if you are willing to use other sources, read up on WP:RS and start editing. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

thanks for tipoff

I have deleted it but it looks like someone moved it from front page first. Victuallers (talk) 13:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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Violation of interaction ban

Please see enforcement request here. Prioryman (talk) 12:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

How can that be possible? You are under an interaction ban which prevents you from mentioning me, which I asked for because I was tired of you lying about me. And yet, here we are again. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

The enforcement request has been moved here at the request of Lothar von Richtofen. Prioryman (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Re the ANI thread

Please do not do that ever again. You are supposed to be ignoring Prioryman, not calling for him to be sanctioned, nor asking for his sanctions to be updated or listed properly, nor interacting with him in any way whatsoever. The sole exception to your interaction ban was and remains Errantx's talkpage for the specific purpose of discussing/appealing the terms and conditions of the interaction ban itself. Consequently your recent post on Errantx's talk was a violation of the ban, and the only reason you are not blocked for 96 hours right now is because I'm getting charitable in my old age. Believe me, were this a couple years back I would not be acting in nearly so lenient a fashion.

Whatever the problems of Prioryman's editing, the community has decided that you are not the person to be dealing with or reporting these problems, as this causes far more drama than it resolves. Disregarding the community's wishes is normally a fast route out the exit door. This is a final warning. One more violation of the ban will be regarded as deliberate wikistalking and cynical breaking of restrictions, which will earn you several months' enforced vacation courtesy of yours truly. Please bear this in mind. Thank you. Moreschi (talk) 19:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever noticed the amount of drama that is caused on Misplaced Pages because people like you don't want to deal with obvious and longstanding problems? You do what you need to do - I know how to fill out an unblock request. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, you were warned, and knew full well that posting on ANI was in violation of the ban, as I think your post after my warning here shows quite nicely. You then went ahead and posted on ANI anyway, comparing Prioryman to a manager committing sexual harassment, which was ingenious but also a fairly blatant troll. Your post on ANI also shows that you have no intent of abiding by the restrictions you are under in the slightest, somehow thinking yourself to be above them. You are not. Please reflect on this for the next 75 days. We will see you then. Moreschi (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

To admins reviewing unblock requests; please do not unblock or alter the block length without 1) carefully reviewing the ANI thread and 2) talking to me first. Moreschi (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Wait, you have blocked me for posting on ANI? In a thread regarding my actions, started by a person who is under the same terms as I am? You most certainly did not make clear that I would be blocked for that. I fully expected that I would not only be allowed to participate, but entitled to make statements in my own defence. Please unblock me immediately. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:27, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Moreschi, DC is right. He is allowed to present his side in a dispute resolution forum. Prioryman made several pejorative statements about DC in that discussion as well and several editors called for blocks for both parties, but you only blocked DC. Cla68 (talk) 22:32, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually both he and Prioryman are not supposed to be presenting their sides in dispute resolution forums. This was made explicitly clear in the interaction ban, if you go back and find the original thread. I agree that Prioryman was in breach of the ban in posting on AE/ANI in the first place, as was DC for the post on ErrantX's talkpage that was related to Prioryman but unrelated to their mutual interaction ban. For this I was initially going to block both but then later decided to warn both, at which point I marked the thread as resolved assuming it was all over. Then DC went to troll ANI, which there is no way he could not have known would be in violation of the ban because 1) it was explicit in the interaction ban terms and 2) I'd just warned Prioryman for creating the thread in the first place. Moreschi (talk) 22:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Moreschi, that was DC's first post to that ANI thread. If I were him, I would want to present my side in a forum where WP's administration is watching, especially after Prioryman trashed him in his comments. I don't think it is unreasonable to allow an editor a chance to present their side when they are the subject of discussion in a dispute resolution forum. Cla68 (talk) 22:47, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

1) There was absolutely no need to do so, as both had been warned for restriction violations and the thread was tagged as resolved and 2) he is banned from doing just that. So is Prioryman, but I cut him some slack because it was DC's initial post on ErrantX's talk that sparked this all off. Everyone is sick to their back teeth of him and Prioryman fighting at ANI, which is precisely why we have this interaction ban in the first place. I agree that 99 times out of 100 there would be no problem with someone spouting off angrily at a DR forum but this is the 1 time when they are specifically banned from doing just that. He knows this, and just in case he didn't, my warning made it very clear what the exceptions were to the interaction ban. Those do not include ANI. I am sorry, but I do not think his surprise at being blocked is in good faith, nor the unblock request. Moreschi (talk) 22:54, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Moreschi, you know this is a bad block and isn't going to be allowed to stand. Why not just unblock now and we can skip all of the nonsense? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

My outside opinion is that you should have taken the warning and dropped it. There was nothing to be gained from further commenting on the discussion. You and drama seem heavily intertwined in my experience and if the block serves to cull the drama then it's appropriate. SÆdon 22:54, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Every editor deserves the chance to defend themselves when accused of malfeasance in a dispute resolution form. Prioryman made multiple comments in that discussion, DC made one. DC was blocked for it. Cla68 (talk) 22:56, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

If this were a court of law or almost any other venue I would agree without reservation. Justice, however, is not a relevant factor here. All of our policies, guidelines and practices are built for a singular purpose: building an encyclopedia. Actions should only be evaluated insofar as they contribute to that goal, and if they don't they are not appropriate. 75 days is probably a bit much though. 30 days seems more appropriate. SÆdon 23:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

And editors and admins who are helping build the 'pedia should be treated fairly. Apparently, the only reason Prioryman was allowed to comment at will in the ANI thread and DC wasn't was because Prioryman got there first. Allowing DC a chance to defend himself, then moving the discussion to a conclusion, would not have disrupted the 'pedia. Cla68 (talk) 23:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Saedon, without any slight intended, please stay out of this. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

No slight taken and I will respect your request. SÆdon 23:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Unblock request

Delicious carbuncle (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

See above Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The above discussion doesn't indicate why you should be unblocked. I have a feeling you're going to have to take your licks on this one and wait out the full block. An unblock seems unlikely, given the interaction ban you violated. However, I've reduced the block to 10 days, as 75 days was a bit too long. I don't believe that you actually literally compared Prioryman to a sexual predator (or whatever the comment at ANI was), I think you just meant to say that PM shouldn't be treated specially just because he writes good content (although you admittedly went down a weird path to make that comparison). But, given the interaction ban, appealing to ErrantX because PM reverted obvious vandalism is quite childish. Interaction ban means that you need to forget that Prioryman even exists. You clearly have not done this, and that is why you are currently blocked. ‑Scottywong| spout _ 23:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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In what way did I violate the terms of the interaction ban? ErrantX's talk page was explicitly not included. What am I actually being blocked for? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

For trolling. By complaining about an edit by PM which simply reverts unambiguously obvious vandalism, you are clearly baiting him and demonstrating to him that you are still monitoring his edits. This is a form of interaction, regardless of whether it transpired on Errant's talk page. Time to grow up. You're banned from interacting with PM. This means you need to forget he even exists, stop monitoring his edits, stop posting about him on off-wiki pages (although obviously that last one is a suggestion, as I can't force you to stop doing anything off-wiki, but it certainly is a suggestion you should take to heart). If you want to contribute here, then contribute. Write something. Obsessively monitoring someone else's edits is not a productive form of contribution to an encyclopedia, particularly when you are banned from interacting with that person. ‑Scottywong| yak _ 00:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

The terms of your interaction ban included a provision for posting certain types of complaints on Errant's talk page, but with this complaint you are clearly trying to walk as close to the line as you possibly can. This childishness will not be tolerated. ‑Scottywong| squeal _ 00:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

So I'm blocked for being, in your opinion, childish? Sorry, that's not an acceptable reason. Please unblock me. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:22, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

DC, why don't you take a break for a few hours? Cla68 (talk) 00:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I will. I'm in no hurry. In the spirit of accommodation, I am also willing to accept any length of block so long as Prioryman is given the same. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree that that would be more fair and just. Cla68 (talk) 00:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

DC, when you wake up in the morning I recommend checking the ANI discussion. If there is a majority of respondents supporting an unblock or block for both of you, I suggest posting another unblock request using the results of that discussion as the rationale. So far, most of those responding are supporting an unblock but it has only been an hour or so. Cla68 (talk) 01:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Pleasecopy to ANI for me

 DoneThis is a ridiculous block that has little relevance to the issue at hand and will not stand. If Moreschi wants to play tough guy and refuses to unblock, I'm sure someone else will do so eventually. The community is not well served by admins who are more interested in reducing the "drama" than solving the problem. Prioryman's tiresome bleating seems to have distracted people from the central point that he agreed to abide by editing restrictions in order to be allowed to continue editing. He has repeatedly violated those restrictions and will continue to do so. This very thread is a violation of one of those restrictions. If the community was not serious about the sanctions, they should be withdrawn. If they are serious about them, they should ensure that they are properly recorded and that they are enforced. Framing this as a dispute between editors is really just ignoring what is at the root of the issue. Shooting the messenger will not solve the problem. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done I did not think that I was violating the interaction ban by making my post on ErrantX's talk page. If I had, I would not have made the post, or at least would have expected to be blocked. In fact, as far as I can tell, my current block is actually for posting in the ANI thread, which is completely perverse. ErrantX's talk page was explicitly excluded from the ban. I have no problem if people wish to change the terms of the ban to include the totality of Misplaced Pages, but I resent the implication that I was in violation of the ban as laid out. I will not mention Prioryman on-wiki, at all, anywhere, in any context, unless I have been told that I may do so. If I perceive that Prioryman has violated the terms of the interaction ban, I am apparently expected to start a thread on ANI asking for enforcement, but it is clear that I would be immediately blocked if I did this, so I will instead email an admin. I consider the current block to be completely unjustified, but I will wait it out if need be. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Asking for Errant to clarify the terms of the IBAN, no problem. Asking Errant to relay a message to Prioryman about an obviously unproblematic edit to revert obvious vandalism, that's a problem. Is that a blockable offense? Taken on its own, probably not. But it certainly indicates that you're not honoring the spirit of the interaction ban. You were clearly still monitoring his edits, and your request to relay the message is baiting. That, combined with the outburst on the ANI thread is why you're blocked. Basically, no one wants to deal with this kind of immature crap on ANI. The interaction ban was supposed to ensure that no one would have to. You can be pretty sure that any time the topic of this interaction ban shows up on ANI, one or both of you are going to get blocked for something. Why are you blocked and Prioryman isn't in this case? Probably because you were the instigator. I wouldn't be opposed to blocking Prioryman for a short time as well, but there doesn't seem to be agreement that it's necessary or justified. My advice would be to quietly wait out the block, spend some time away from Misplaced Pages to gather your thoughts, and then come back with the mindset that Prioryman doesn't even exist. Just do your thing, and forget about him. If you two happen to show up on the same page by coincidence, just walk away and find something else to do. That will guarantee that your block log doesn't get any longer. As I said before, I'd strongly suggest not discussing him off-wiki as well, to make it easier for you to forget that he exists. ‑Scottywong| gab _ 16:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Let me be clear, my message was for ErrantX, not for Prioryman. I did not interact with Prioryman, even by proxy. What I did do was ask for ErrantX to follwo up on something related to Prioryman, and, incidentally, pointed out where Prioryman had violated one of his editing restrictions with the suggestion that Prioryman be reminded of that editing restriction. So what exactly am I blocked for, Scotty? The comment made on ErrantX's talk page? Because that was explicitly excluded from the ban. The comment on ANI? Because despite what Morechi says, there is nothing in their comment that suggests I would be blocked for making it. For being, in your opinion, childish? Because your opinion is not a reason for a block. Your latest reason is a "combination" of things, none of which on their own is grounds for a block. That's pretty weak stuff, Scotty. Why don't you just unblock me now? You know this won't last the whole 10 days and I'd prefer not to post another unblock. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Request away. I'm certainly not going to unblock you, but maybe you can convince someone else. By the way, you're welcome for reducing the length of your block by 87%. ‑Scottywong| confabulate _ 06:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Did you think there was any chance I would have stayed blocked for 75 days? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Unblock request number two

Delicious carbuncle (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

As already stated, I have no problem at all if the terms of the interaction ban are amended to include all of Misplaced Pages, with any violations to be handled via email with admins. Neither the original blocking admin nor the admin who reduced the block has thus far been able to offer a sensible explanation for why I am blocked. Several editors have commented on ANI about this block and there doesn't seem to be much support for it. Why am I still blocked? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

If you don't yet understand the reason for the block then it is difficult to justify an unblock when you've admitted that you were still "reviewing his contributions" despite the interaction ban ϢereSpielChequers 23:53, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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Uninvolved editor comment: While I think it is apparent that some kind of block or ban might have been warranted at some point, it is inherently unfair for one party to begin a thread and either not immediately block them or allow the other party to respond. You cannot remove DUE PROCESS from an editor and expect community support. Now if you have explicitly explained an alternative for accessing due process in response to such things, I would be willing to say you thought out the interaction ban fully. If one party can sneak into dispute threads and the other can't respond and there is no outlet for the second party to set things right, then you have a bad interaction ban, and therefore a bad block now. Equal treatment is about being fair to all parties. Reconsider how this interaction ban is structured or drop it, and apply consequences in an appropriate fashion going forward. If you like, be tough, but be fair, and do what is in the best interest of all Misplaced Pages editors. -- Avanu (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

@WereSpielChequers, I reviewed the terms of Delicious carbuncle's interaction ban, both specifically his ban, and the general WP:IBAN page and I don't find reviewing an editor's contributions as a valid violation of an interaction ban. Could you explain your interpretation of his ban and explain how observation counts as a violation of DC's Misplaced Pages Interaction Ban? Thanks. -- Avanu (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Well technically one of them could stalk the other covertly and never act on or mention what they saw, and it would be difficult to spot that. But "they are banned from discussing each other". IBAN itself is broader "they are banned from interacting with each other in any way. For example," now granted the examples don't specifically include monitoring each other's edits; But the wording is not "they are banned from interacting with each other in the following ways:" ϢereSpielChequers 01:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, however, looking at the specifics at the ban policy, it specifically says "Legitimate and necessary dispute resolution, that is, addressing a legitimate concern about the ban itself in an appropriate forum. Examples include asking an administrator to take action against a violation of an interaction ban by the other party (but normally not more than once), asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban, or appealing the ban for a good reason." This would apply to DC asking for enforcement as well as Prioryman asking for enforcement (which appears to be what started all this). Please let me know if I am missing some relevant part of policy. -- Avanu (talk) 01:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

To my mind there is a difference between asking "I'd like to review this article at FAC, but I see that x occasionally reverts vandalism on it - would it be a breach of my ban to get involved in that article?" and stalking the person you have an interaction ban with. ϢereSpielChequers 10:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Under Misplaced Pages does not have firm rules, I suppose I can see that you have discretion to view it in that way, although I can't say I see it strictly as applying to things that are not observable to both parties. The Banning policy for limited bans like an interaction ban specifically says that "editors are generally allowed to edit the same pages or discussions as long as they avoid each other". This sort of interaction would necessarily make such edits observable by both parties but do not constitute interaction. I can see your point about the spirit of the ban not being followed, but I don't see strictly see that it is against policy to observe another editor's actions, and from what I can tell Delicious Carbuncle was asking whether the other editor's Interaction Bans were being recorded, which Prioryman took as a violation of the ban. I don't see where a strict reading of banning policy prohibits that. In fact, it seems to explicitly allow for it: "Examples include asking an administrator to take action against a violation of an interaction ban by the other party." I appreciate that you are willing to discuss this, but I don't quite see how a ban is supportable via affirmative policy. The only policy support I can find for this ban is like I said a moment ago, "Misplaced Pages does not have firm rules". -- Avanu (talk) 11:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Avanu, I think you've quoted what to me is the nub of this "as long as they avoid each other". You seem to think that one can observe another editor's actions whilst avoiding them, to my mind if you are observing someone by monitoring their edits you are clearly not avoiding them. ϢereSpielChequers 13:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

WereSpielChequers, given your and Prioryman's ties to Wiki UK, and DC's long-running feud with the current Wiki UK director, you were entirely the wrong admin to administer this unblock request. Defending one's mates is honorable. Blocking their foes isn't. --JN466 13:53, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jayen, I'm a member of the UK chapter but not of its board. I'll take your word that Prioryman is as well, but I don't know the whole membership list and don't accept that I'd be automatically considered involved in anything involving another member of the chapter. I don't quite follow your logic of linking various dots, and especially how I could be "entirely the wrong admin to handle this request" but as you clearly think I am involved I've asked at AN/I for another admin to consider the matter. ϢereSpielChequers 16:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm expecting an answer to my question before you bow out. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I think DC should be unblocked, given that he has made clear to stick to the strict interpretation of the interaction ban. Scottywong wrote above that DC should forget about PM and should use the ten days block to do other things. However, if the goal is to let DC get PM out of his mind, then the block is not helping at all. DC is still logging on to Misplaced Pages and the only thing he can do here is argue about his block, which is a PM related issue.

If he is unblocked, then given that he has said that he is going to stick to the strict interpretation of the interaction ban, this would have the desired effect of DC persuing non-PM related matters here. If, however, DC is not unblocked and he serves out his 10 day ban, then he could say that he does not agree with the terms of the strict interpretation, as no deal was agreed to. I'm not saying that DC will indeed take this hard line, but it is obviously better to have DC unambiguously agree to the strict interpretation; in case of future problems, one can point to that.

You then won't get long discussions on AN/I that the strict interpretation is not valid, that only the old agrement was agreed to by both parties, that while the strict interpretation was suggested it never had the consensus needed in order to be imposed without consent etc. etc. Count Iblis (talk) 01:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Count Iblis, whether or not the block is lifted, I am acting as if the terms of the interaction ban have changed and I will not discuss Prioryman anywhere on Misplaced Pages without prior assurances that I may do so. If anyone files an RFC/U regarding Prioryman or an ArbCom case is launched that pertains to Prioryman, I will ask ArbCom to allow me to contribute. Excluding me from any such process would be clearly prejudicial, so I fully expect that they would grant this request. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

That's a good attitude. From the perspective of the people saying that you made a mistake by discussing, the block serves no useful purpose anymore. Count Iblis (talk) 15:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

WereSpielChequers, I am banned from interacting with Prioryman. Moreschi offered one entirely false justification for his 75 day block, ScottyWong offered a different yet equally invalid reason, and you have offered still a third. Can you please state clearly and succinctly how I am in violation of the interaction ban? It is difficult to appeal something that appears to be so amorphous. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi DC, sorry if you think we are inconsistent or unclear. There is an interaction ban between you and Prioryman. We are hoping that you can come to accept that and find other things to do here on the pedia. Watching Prioryman with an intent to ask for the IBAN to be lifted if someone else starts an RFC or ArbCom case involving him leaves me to suspect that you haven't yet accepted that. I do note the assurances you've given above, but at the same time you don't seem to accept that monitoring Prioryman's edits was itself a breach of an interaction ban. Of course it is possible that in monitoring your own watchlist you will come across edits by Prioryman on a page you've edited, and such circumstances might well lead to you asking an admin to advise whether either or both of you can still edit that page. ϢereSpielChequers 10:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is inconsistent. DC arguably violated the ban by posting on ErrantX's page. Prioryman blatantly violated the ban by starting drama at AE and ANI. Nobody Ent 11:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

WereSpielChequers, I'm sorry, but I don't think you have answered my question at all. What part of the interaction ban have I violated? Note that this is not asking you to speculate on what I may do in the future or what I may be thinking. I would like to know why I have been blocked, but every response I have been given so far seems to be some vague hand-waving toward the interaction ban and some kind of IDONTLIKEIT statement. I have been blocked on the grounds that I violated an interaction ban - what, specifically, did I do that was in violation? It is difficult for me to address this in an unblock request if I am not told what specific action is at issue. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi DC, there is an interaction ban between you and Prioryman. You seem to regard monitoring Prioryman's edits and as you've just said below "so any otherwise valid observations I may have about Prioryman's actions are dismissed" as compatible with avoiding him (if you meant only actions with regard to yourself then please clarify that). I, and as I understand it others, don't consider that to be avoiding him. If the two of you do inadvertently cross paths then that's different, but this is a big project with nearly four million articles surely you can find something that interests you that doesn't involve him? ϢereSpielChequers 15:39, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that there is an interaction ban between Prioryman and myself. What part of that interaction ban have I violated? This is a very simple question - why is it so hard to give me a straight answer? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Instead of avoiding him you said you were monitoring his edits. ϢereSpielChequers 15:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Tthere is no avoidance ban. Yes, I said I was monitoring Prioryman's edits for violations of his many editing restrictions. We are agreed on that. Now, what part of the interaction ban have I violated? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Well IBAN does say "as long as they avoid each other". I think what we have here is a disagreement as to whether monitoring someone's edits is compatible with an interaction ban. Clearly you think that it is, I hope that it is equally clear that I and some others disagree. On a separate note, as you've probable seen elsewhere in this thread I've responded to Jayen's concern by asking for another admin to review that unblock decline, however I don't see that should stop me from having to explain my decline to you. ϢereSpielChequers 16:28, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Let's see the full sentence that you cherry-picked that quotation from: "Although the editors are generally allowed to edit the same pages or discussions as long as they avoid each other, they are banned from interacting with each other in any way". That goes beyond disingenuous. At this point I think it should be clear to everyone that you are not actually enforcing the interaction ban, you are enforcing something that you desire to be implied by the idea of an interaction ban. It is impossible for you to give a clear action to my question, because there quite simply is no reason, under the actual interaction ban for me to be banned. It would be nice if you stopped trying to justify this and simply unblocked me. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DC I suggest you reread the thread that set out your interaction ban. I didn't participate in that discussion, but the issue of whether you were free to pursue Prioryman was clearly a major theme. Errant said "you need to stop commenting on, pursuing or raising issues with each other (both on and off wiki)." It would be really helpful if you would take that advice. You may not consider that monitoring someone's edits is pursuing them, but clearly some of us do. ϢereSpielChequers 17:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DC, if you go beyond the wording of civility what it comes down to is don't be excessively annoying to other editors. No one is terribly interested in refereeing squabbles between editors and parsing out who exactly is being more disruptive, we just want the drama to stop. While both of you have failed to disengage, you kowtow less, and, in most societies, including Misplaced Pages, that results in a greater negative reaction than verbally stating/promising to follow the rules while actually not. So, at this point, I'd suggest you should decide what your priority is: if it is to resume editing your best best is a unblock with a simple declarative sentence I will not interact in any with Prioryman; if I feel he is violating our ban I will privately email administrator(s). If your priority is to be treated fairly and evenly -- no human society actually does that, certainly not Misplaced Pages. Nobody Ent 11:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Nobody Ent, much of my effort here on Misplaced Pages deals with unequal treatment of editors here. There is a disturbing "us and them" mentality here on Misplaced Pages, where the "them" varies but the "us" is always the same. To some extent this is human nature, but much of it is completely avoidable and easily identified. At the moment, I appear to be strongly associated with "them" so any otherwise valid observations I may have about Prioryman's actions are dismissed and the wagons circle around him. That's not unexpected, but I am not willing to sit out an unjustified block simply because people find my foolish desire for rational administration to be annoying. Your advice is good advice, but I would prefer that the unblocking admin is fully aware of my intentions. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:21, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DC, I've unblocked you per my comments here and your acceptance of the terms outlined by you in the unblock request above. The interaction ban applies to all of wikipedia and you'll handle any violations via email with admins. --regentspark (comment) 17:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Ban wording

Does this work for you? (Please focus only on the wording and make no statements about the other editor). Nobody Ent 17:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

The last sentence is malformed, but it is probably a moot point. I don't think there is much confusion about what a complete interaction ban means. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you agree to this?

The community is imposing a binding interaction ban on Delicious Carbuncle and Prioryman. Each will not comment on, or otherwise interact with the other at any venue on Misplaced Pages. Reporting or otherwise mentioning the other editor is not permitted on Misplaced Pages. If either editor wishes to report a suspected violation of the interaction ban or has a question regarding the ban they will email any administrator of their choice. Per policy, appeals to the ban may be made to Arbcom.

-- Avanu (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

There have been no issues on other projects and any attempt to impose a ban across all WMF projects, even a voluntary one, has obvious enforcement issues. Change the wording of "within the scope of the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation" to "on Misplaced Pages", add "on Misplaced Pages" after "is not permitted" (since it is otherwise contradicted in the next sentence) and I can agree to it. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Changed. -- Avanu (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI

While you are free to leave comments on another user's talk page, leaving comments like you did here: is not appropriate, as per WP:TPNO. Remember, I'm not leaving this message to annoy you, I'm doing it so that I will be able to refer back to it in the future should you decide to keep doing this. Thanks.--StvFetterly(Edits) 19:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I really didn't need any more evidence of your behaviour, but I'll add it to the list. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:09, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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It's the barnstars that make it all worthwhile. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ/Workshop

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Workshop&diff=495338735&oldid=495334174

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Workshop&diff=495339144&oldid=495339012

Would this be an accurate account of what happened? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 19:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Without checking for earlier identification of Ash, that sounds accurate. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ/Workshop#Proposals_by_Michaeldsuarez – I've proposed some facts of finding and remedies that might concern you. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 15:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Notification

I mentioned you here. Wnt (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes you did. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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• I trimmed your section a bit (to 503 words, I believe) so don't worry about the bot message. Best regards, Lord Roem (talk) 07:08, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Lord Roem. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 11:53, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration note

Hello Delicious carbuncle. Per a request by drafting arbitrator SirFozzie in the Fae case, I have added you as a party. If you have any questions about this, please direct them to him. Regards, Lord Roem (talk) 15:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Where was this request made? What leeway will I have to amend my evidence, given that I was made a party after the evidence phase closed? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

This was something SirFozzie told the clerks earlier this morning. As per changing or expanding your evidence, I haven't heard anything yet. If you want an extension in time, ask him. I'm just forwarding the message. -- Lord Roem (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

As a party, you're automatically given twice the word/diff limits as everyone else. Go ahead and expand your evidence at any time; I'm sure that none of the Arbs will mind. NW (Talk) 04:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to offer a belated thank-you for the courtesy notification. I always appreciate a friendly heads-up when I've been mentioned. 28bytes (talk) 04:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Eveidence and workshop

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Evidence&diff=497729872&oldid=497632828
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Workshop&diff=497731117&oldid=497730644

Want do you think about those additions? Are they accurate? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that is an accurate account, although I haven't verified the dates or times. Thanks for checking with me. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Just letting you know: . Please don't take it as finding fault, but rather as what may be useful advice before the evidence deadline passes. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

ANI Thread

You have been mentioned in a thread on ANI

You didn't just mention me, you made false statements about what I said and provided an out-of-context diff to support your statement. That is really not going to help your case. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:41, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI notification

Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Possible_interaction_ban_violation Nobody Ent 12:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

My email to the Arb who set the terms of interaction quoted in my comment has gone unanswered. It would have been preferable for ArbCom, the clerks, or any of the admins posting on the talk page to deal with this issue rather than have it become an ANI issue, but I am not surprised. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

DC, Elen of the Roads was ill; she has now addressed the issue. JN466 16:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Dude...

Sorry bro, but whisky tango foxtrot ? You don't put your feet up on the desk and pop your gum while the judge is considering whether or tossing you in the slammer. You already prodded JC into a ban vote. Tarc (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Proposed_decision&diff=501801756&oldid=501800517. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if it comes across that way, but I was merely stating the obvious. If ArbCom chooses to ban me, they will, and I will accept it. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

New finding and possible ban

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ/Proposed_decision#Delicious_carbuncle:_bad_blood_and_feuding – I'm just letting you now about this new finding. The call for banning you has strengthened: , . --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, but I am following the case as closely as time permits. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ closed

An arbitration case regarding User:Fæ has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Fæ is admonished for making personal attacks and making ad hominem attacks on others based on perceived affiliation.
2. Fæ is hereby limited to one account, and expressly denied the option of a fresh WP:CLEANSTART. Should Fæ wish to change the name of the one account he is allowed to use, he must receive prior permission from the Arbitration Committee before editing under any other username. Fæ must provide a list of all accounts they have controlled to the Committee, with any objections to making the accounts publicly listed. The Committee will then advise Fæ of whether they will need to list the objected to account(s) publicly.
3. As Fæ likely would have had his administrator status revoked as a result of this case, his resignation of tools is considered as "under controversial circumstances", and they cannot get the tools back without first standing for a fresh request for adminship. Should they run for RfA again, they must publicly link to the statement on their user page announcing the accounts they have used previously.
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5. For creating a page on an external webpage designed to harass another user, Michaeldsuarez is banned indefinitely from the English language Misplaced Pages. They may appeal this ban one year after its enactment.
6. Delicious carbuncle is severely admonished for posting another editor's non-disclosed private information on an external website and warned that should they do so again, they will face sanctions, up to and including an indefinite site ban from Misplaced Pages.

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George W. Gibbs, Jr.

I saw that George W. Gibbs, Jr. was among Misplaced Pages's most requested articles and thought I might write an article about him. Then, I noticed that you had a user page about him. Do you intend to post it in the main space, perhaps in its current form or in some expanded form with additional references? If not, would you be agreeable to my writing a page about Gibbs? If you wish to save the topic for yourself, because you have already done some work on it, I will skip it and move on to another topic. I have many new and existing topics to work on. Donner60 (talk) 21:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I asked for that article to be placed in my userspace following Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/George W. Gibbs, Jr.. it is not my work. I have no doubt that Gibbs meets the notability criteria, but decided not to work on it until the situation with biographies of living people improved. I'm still waiting for that to happen. Feel free to move the article into your own userspace or the mainspace to work on it. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I will go ahead with it. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 01:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Done and in main space as George W. Gibbs, Jr.. Donner60 (talk) 06:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Nice work. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. This really should hold up. One of the four users who had this deleted the last time has not edited since 2010 because he/she was found to be a user of sockpuppets. Another has fewer than 50 edits over the past 22 months. Another of the four objected to lack of coverage. I cited 2 books and 6 newspaper articles, which I think should be enough. I also found a few extra facts of interest. Rather slim support for deletion even of the first version. Donner60 (talk) 22:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice

Note that you have been mentioned in connection with this thread: Misplaced Pages:COIN#Stephanie_Adams. IRWolfie- (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have been asked to withdraw from the topic, but I don't think a brief response to Milowent will do any harm. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

wikipediocracy

what's your WPO account name? I keep thinking you're "Mason' based on no evidence whatsoever :)

-Vocal@WPO --85.117.21.243 (talk) 18:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

:) Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

General note: Introducing factual errors on Types of rape.

Interesting. I was given the information by a TN sex therapist, and assumed that it was correct. Looking more closely, I see now that it is a little more complicated than I had understood. It is legal in TN to have sex with a 13 year old if you are 4 years (or less) older than that person. It's called a "close in age" exception. It looks like more than one state has this kind of variant in statutory rape laws. Thanks for checking my scholarship, I'll be more careful in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feysoul (talk • contribs) 22:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Contested speedy deletion of Zeus Mortgage

I've contested the speedy, see the article talk page. - Jorgath (talk) 18:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Guardian of Seattle

This is Colton Cosmic. Delicious Carbuncle, I give you four instances of policy and you come back with some metaphor? "Let the cat out of the bag" that's not policy. What is that? Are you going to skin it in more than one way next? Listen, the dude was in court and the court official told him take off the mask. It wasn't his decision. Immediately after that, when confronted by multiple TV channel entities, yeah he took it off again and spoke to them. Did he surrender his privacy by that? No! I figure he was reeling from the court taking from him something he intended to protect. As Misplaced Pages editors, we can't parse that as "it's open season on Phoenix Jones now, and he has only himself to blame." I am saying that nothing Phoenix Jones' alter ego has done makes him other than a private person entitled to WP:BLP's protections accorded to private people. Colton Cosmic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.28.74 (talk) 17:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

By knowingly and deliberately identifying himself to the press, yes, he essentially did surrender his privacy. I am sympathetic to his situation, but he must have foreseen that this might happen. If this was a BLP issue, I would be happy to help, but it simply is not, under the circumstances. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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I need help

Hello. I need help. I have drawn the following map for the article Innocence of Muslims movie. I have made an edit request on section 23, but no-one seems to care. Can you put the image into the article please. Thank you.----Camoka5 (talk) 19:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

If the article is fully-protected, I am not able to edit it either. I suggest you ask again on the talk page. I also suggest that you tell people the source of your information (because they will ask) and point out that it is already used on other language Wikipedias. Sorry I can't be of more help. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:15, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

rachel marsden

THanks for leaving me a comment about my deletions from rachel marsden's page. I deleted non-sourced material that was listed as fact. It needs to be deleted if there is no source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.82.133 (talk) 02:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The sources are provided in the body of the article and in Simon Fraser University 1997 harassment controversy. Given the history of the article, you should discuss any concerns you have on the talk page before making changes to the article. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean history of the article? The citation must be in wiki format, or else it should be deleted. What am I missing here? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.82.133 (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

You seem to be missing an understanding of basic Misplaced Pages guidelines. The sources are provided in the body of the article. They do not need to be cited in the lede. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Moscowsky admitting to trolling?

Hi DC, could you review User talk:Pontmarcheur. It appears Moscowsky is admitting to trolling. Is that how you read it? Zad68 14:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Their comment could be read to mean that, but it is probably best to assume good intentions. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes you're right... I think it could be a language issue. Anyway it's being put behind us now. Cheers... Zad68 03:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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October 2012

I am unsurprised. I'm not bothering with the unblock template, because it only seems to attract people with grudges, but if anyone wants to unblock or reduce the length of this silly block, feel free. Otherwise, I'll see you in two weeks. Oh, would someone mind deleting or redirecting the pseudoscience spam magnet Natural breast enhancement and related edits by User:Lucy346? I was just about to deal with that when my block kicked in. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:48, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't have gotten yourself blocked in such a silly fashion. No, I feel no inclination to shorten the block. Drmies (talk) 14:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

And yet you thought that it was worth your time to make a comment? I am not terribly bothered by the block, other than it interrupted what I was about to do, but let's not pretend it serves any useful purpose, either. If I choose to be, I'll still be here editing after ChrisO/L'ecrivant/Helatrobus/Prioryman/etc is banned. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes I did. I couldn't help but wonder whether you wanted to take a break or not. If you were doing something useful before, you did the world a disfavor with that bybothetical example of bameless beditors. Those interaction bans must be taken seriously since this enormous bunch of disruptive editors, of which you are one, have a tendency to clog up the system. Drmies (talk) 14:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

BTW, for your viewing pleasure: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Natural breast enhancement. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:07, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Lucy does not appear to be new to the site. I just spent some time looking at artificial breasticles--a great way to spend a Saturday morning, so thanks very much for that. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

• I read your remarks anyway, and I won't quarrel with them, except to say that in those cases the other side will argue the same thing--that they were right, and acted in accordance with guidelines, etc. I was not following the Benjiboy affair, and in the Cirt affair I have changed my opinion, so to speak, while at the same time becoming convinced that both sides were disruptive in how they acted out their disagreements. But please note that I am more knowledgeable about the santorum business than the Scientology stuff, and I don't really have an opinion, in the absence of firm knowledge, of your involvement with it. I just wish I had never read the santorum talk page and those constant renaming proposals, for instance. Still, I'm wondering how you so easily broke this interaction ban. An answer would be helpful, in that it may help differentiate between recurring, increasingly long blocks or a possible shortening of the current one. I'm all ears, if you can phrase it in a way that avoids lengthy in-depth research into old quarrels. Drmies (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

The "other side" can make whatever arguments they wish, but the community and/or ArbCom seem to have already settled those questions. Framing these disputes as some kind of partisan battle is a big part of the problem. It is all too easy for the community to see things in terms of "us" and "them" (and when you see someone going out of their way to define a "them" group, your bullshit meter should start going off). That ANI discussion is a farce. It has nothing to do with outing - it is just another attempt by Prioryman get rid of an enemy. YRC's passionate approach will undoubtedly get him banned soon enough, but I didn't want to see it done on trumped-up outing charges without pointing out that Prioryman had done the same thing last week (to one of "them") and was able to be unblocked by claiming that he was unaware of Volunteer Marek's wishes (here is where Prioryman agrees not to refer to VM by their former username). It was possible for me to break the interaction ban because I am willing to sit out whatever block I was going to be given. It's just that simple. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

And since you are so willing to sit out blocks, I have lengthened the block for your continued breaches of the interaction ban during this very discussion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Fut Perf, that's not going to work. For one thing, there is a long-standing custom of giving blocked users a bit of leeway on their own talk page. For another, I was responding to comments and questions put to me here by an admin. Let's not even talk about your open hostility to me in our past dealings. I'm content to sit out blocks for things that I have done, but I'm not going to let some admin with an axe to grind put the boot in while I'm down. I'm not going to bother filing an unblock, but I expect the block to reversed soonish. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Expressing open contempt for the rules of the ban ("It was possible for me to break the interaction ban because I am willing to sit out whatever block I was going to be given") does not count as "a bit of leeway", and whatever you were responding to is neither here nor there: it is your responsibility to stick to the ban in no matter what context. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Fut Perf, you seem to have misunderstood me. I have no interest in discussing this with you, just having your block reversed. If you feel the block should stand, ask for a review on AN or ANI. I think you know how that will turn out. Stop wasting my time and reverse your block. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I see no reason to. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

DC, please point to past discussions where you and Future Perfect disagreed about something, and I will include that in an ANI or AN post asking for community input into his lengthening of this block. Future Perfect, DC should be allowed to have a conversation about the circumstances around his block with an admin on his user talk page. Cla68 (talk) 23:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• AN thread for those watching this page. Cla68 (talk) 23:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
• Fut. Perf., I don't want to undo your lengthening the block (I'm from that generation that respects authority), so I'm hoping that you will: I don't agree at all. I asked a question, and I think it's DC's right to answer it, as Cla68 says--mind you, it was a moderated answer. Sure, they answered it in a way that suggests they will get themselves blocked again, but that's for the next time, not this time. DC, between you, me, and a couple of dozen editors, I don't doubt very much that "Prioryman get rid of an enemy" and that "YRC's passionate approach will undoubtedly get him banned soon enough". That doesn't alter the fact (well, in my opinion it's a fact) that there was OUTING and that YRC's block and possible ban are correct. Two, or four, wrongs don't make a right. Now I'm headed off to ANI, I suppose. I think this will call for more delicious beers to make up for the impending et cetera.

  DC, one more thing. I don't agree with the block increase, but this last one is the fourth time, if I'm reading the log correctly, that you've been blocked for violating the interaction ban. You've been here since 2008, you've made almost 20,000 edits--certainly there was/is more to Misplaced Pages than this, whatever "this" is. The next time I couldn't oppose a much, much longer block, and it might well be an indef block. Not that I'm telling you anything you don't already know, I suppose. Cheers, Drmies (talk) 23:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker) DC was just telling it like it is. You want more women on WP? De-sysop the likes of Future Perfect. What a petty, vindictive block extension by someone with a history of trying to get rid of DC. And Doc Mies, I would have expected better of you, and I’m saying this as the owner of a pair of “tits” who usually enjoys your wry sense of humor. (I now see you've redacted that since then, thanks.)

Yes, we ladies like a bit of fair play. DC is all about fair play, and they’ve always been fiercely protective of the rights of notable people unfortunate enough to have Misplaced Pages biographies. More often than not DC’s posts are a joy to read, what with the odd literary reference thrown in for good measure; and some of their edit summaries are gorgeous little works of art. Go on Doc, deprive me of this for the next four weeks. At your own peril ;)

Seeing DC blocked for referring to someone who is all about gaming the system and getting away with it big time makes me never want to even add another reference to this project. Could somebody privileged please do the right thing and unblock DC? Draco 00:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Draco, I have no idea what you're talking about--why would I want to block anyone? Talk page stalkers are great to have, unless they butt in with remarks like "De-sysop the likes of Future Perfect", which are unlikely to be effective a. in having those likes de-sysoped and b. in having the blocked ones unblocked. In other words, they're just not smart. Note also that I tweaked my language, and will apologize to any lady I run into between now and midnight. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Including you, of course. My apologies. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

If that's how you feel, Doc, I guess I'm "just not smart". I can live with that.

That doesn't make DC any less of a fascinating proposition. I will miss their lovely and well-crafted missives more than I will ever regret not having the time to read up on all of your avuncular and ultimately macho contributions. And since this seems to be a PSB kinda night, here you go. And yes, it's about the sweetness that is DC.

Best wishes to you and yours,

A somewhat disappointed Draco 01:19, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to help DC here and was hoping to find a reason. What Jayen466 is doing (and what you're suggesting, that I would block you?), and what Cla68 was saying on AN, that's not going to be a reason for anyone to reduce the block. But I'll stop: clearly I'm not helping. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Folks, I'm not sure what the issue is here. The community has said that Prioryman and I are both under an interaction ban and we face a series of escalating blocks if either of us refers to the other. I know that if I refer to Prioryman I should expect that to be blocked. To put it simply - I will accept the consequences of my actions. To suggest that my statement means I am ignoring the ban is some pretty screwy logic even by Misplaced Pages standards. As far as Drmies count of how many times I have been blocked under this interaction ban, it is quite simply wrong. Fut Perf blocked me for a "violation" which simply was not one and I was unblocked. Moreschi blocked me for 75(!) days, Snotty Wong "reduced" the bogus block to 10 days, and then I was unblocked within hours. Really, this is the first legitimate block under that interaction ban, so two weeks is pretty harsh. In the same time period, Prioryman has violated the interaction ban more than once, but got off with a warning (for example here & more than once in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ). Now I know there are going to be people who will say that I have just violated the interaction ban again by daring to type the letters P_R_I_O_R_Y_M_A_N, but those people clearly have some kind of larger issue that is beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages. To be frank, I thought the ANI discussion in which YRC was being railroaded needed an injection of truth and some levity, both of which I hope I provided. If I'm blocked for that, fine, but I am not going to let some vindictive admin like Fut Perf abuse process because they have a chip on their shoulder. This is the second time they have blocked me and run off to bed so they don't have to deal with the consequences. Perhaps their parents should tell them "no blocks close to bedtime"? Now, does someone clueful want to reduce my block to "time served" or something more in keeping with the offence? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Delicious carbuncle (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Can someone please reverse Fut Perf's purely vindictive block extension? It is discussed here on WP:AN but that will be archived shortly as the discussion seems to have died out. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

This is going to appear odd: I have reduced the block, but not based on this unblock request. Indeed, this is NOT an unblock request, and should have been declined accordingly. The attempt to lengthen the discussion below is a horrendous attempt to break how AN works. If a discussion falls off without action, we all know what that means - very inappropriate. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 22:33, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for reducing the block back to the original length, Bwilkins, and for the inadvertent comedy. "A horrendous attempt to break how AN works"? Classic. See you folks in a couple of weeks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Tap tap ... is this thing on?

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Would someone mind posting the following in this WP:AN discussion. Thanks.

I hate to seem impatient, especially since I expect I will be staying blocked for the original term of two weeks, but I have no intention of sitting out a vindictive four week block made by an admin who seems to bear me ill will. Fut Perf extended a block because of a comment I made on my talk page in response to poking by Drmies. Fut Perf calls it "a gratuitous expression of hostility" but there is actually no hostility behind it. It is a confident prediction based on years of observing Misplaced Pages. Even if it were "hostile", blocked users are typically extended some leeway on their own talk pages. If Fut Perf's intention was to prevent me from invoking the name of the other party in the interaction ban, perhaps revoking talk page access would have been the correct course of action, but their block extension seems to be purely and gratuitously punitive. This is the second time they have blocked me under their flawed reading of the ban. The other block was soon undone. In both cases, Fut Perf blocked me and then claimed that they would be unable to discuss the block because they were going to bed. In this last case, I asked Fut Perf to raise a discussion of the block extension at WP:AN or WP:ANI. They replied that there was "no reason to". This is not the type of behaviour that we should expect from our admins. At this point, I'm just looking for the block extension to be reversed (I take it as a given that Fut Perf will refrain from using their tools in cases related to me). I have outlined why the original two week block may be overly harsh, but I understand that opinions may differ and, as I have said, I am prepared to sit it out. Anyone care to do the honours? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:39, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, Zad68. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

A couple of requests

This is a two-part request for my talk page watchers. The first part is easy - please remove the list of 2012 election endorsements from Equality Pennsylvania (and anywhere else you find them). The second part may require a bit more work. The user who added those election endorsements User:Female bodybuilder enthusiast has been creating a number of poorly sourced BLPs of female bodybuilders. The sole source in some of these -- www.amg-lite.com -- appears to be a promotional site and unaffiliated with any of the governing bodies of the sport. If someone is feeling brave, they could take a look at these BLPs. (If they are feeling especially brave, they could also take a look at the articles created by User:Fbb fan.) If no one feels like tackling the second part, I will get to it when my block expires, but I would appreciate it if someone could deal with the first part and leave a helpful note with Female bodybuilder enthusiast. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

• That's a very exciting project. The AN thread died, softly or otherwise. Consider filing an unblock request when the "original" two weeks run out, OK? Some words will be required--it's not a formality. Drmies (talk) 05:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Drmies. Why would I file an unblock request after I'm no longer blocked? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:36, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

AGF that Drmies was unaware that the block was reduced, as per the AN thread. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not assuming anything, which is why I said that I didn't understand what was being said and asked for clarification. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, while the family and I were puking the AN thread apparently concluded with a block reduction. No, I had no idea. Sorry--I'll do what I do better and stay away. Drmies (talk) 15:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Bwilkins! Funny how you didn't block Prioryman for blatantly and repeatedly breaking his interaction ban with DC during the Fæ arbcom case. Oh, I forgot. This project is all about double standards. Draco 23:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of AGF ... I don't typically monitor ArbCom cases, and know little of the IB between those editors. Why the attack on me here? Heck, I'm the one who reduced the block! Funny that (✉→BWilkins←✎) 09:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm so sorry I got you mixed up with the blocking admin. Apologies all around. Draco 21:58, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it was a slightly different set of admins who failed to block "Prioryman" in that situation. And, if you're still interested in why?, then the reason given by ErrantX was that it was just too hard to think about at the time. Apparently people were being too noisy.. or something. So remember people, please be calm in the face of blatant cronyism. If you just stop complaining, things will go your way. Honest, not rug-sweeping at all.101.118.3.166 (talk) 11:38, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Please don't poke the admins. I'm the one that will get bitten. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

On a totally different subject, I can't decide if User:Buck Winston is a Benjiboi sockpuppet or an Otto4711 sockpuppet. Shall we start a pool? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)