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Viscount of Inhaúma

Astynax, I'm sorry for having taken so long. I'm done with the section called "Conservative politician" in Joaquim José Inácio, Viscount of Inhaúma. --Lecen (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

It is not a problem. We all have important things (and sometimes even taking a break is important for me) that we must do. I will try to look through the new text tonight or tomorrow. • Astynax 18:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

There is something in Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias that has been bothering me. There is a passage in "Commander-in-Chief" that says "His first measure was to dismiss Vice-Admiral Joaquim Marques Lisboa (later the Marquis of Tamandaré and also a member of the Progressive League) and appoint fellow Conservative Vice-Admiral Joaquim José Inácio (later the Viscount of Inhaúma) to lead the navy". This is not correct. He lacked the authority to do that. Only the minister of navy could do something like that. Of course it was Caxias behind the choice of Joaquim Inácio's name, but he did not appoint him directly. I added "was to convince the government". It became thus: "His first measure was to convince the government to dismiss Vice-Admiral Joaquim Marques Lisboa..." Is this ok? If not, feel free to improve it. --Lecen (talk) 18:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the original wording gives the wrong impression and your change was for the better. However, I have changed it slightly, because "convinced" seems to be too passive, unless Caxias had to engage in a protracted argument to obtain the dismissal. In wartime, civilian governments usually give their top operational commander what is asked for, at least until they lose a major battle. • Astynax 08:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm done with the lead. Right now (and for quite some time) I'm having trouble with the final part of the article, precisely the legacy part. I'm having trouble finding more information regarding the prevailing view about him. I mean, I know that he is regarded one of the great admirals, but that isn't enough. In fact, the lack of information regarding his life (as well as many other military officer of Brazil) tells a lot about my country's lack of interest in military affairs. --Lecen (talk) 00:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I think the legacy section can be brief, since there is not much material. You could include something like:

• Although the Viscount of Inhaúma ranks as the Brazilian Navy's most distinguished figures, his reputation was eclipsed after the fall of the Empire. Only 2 recent histories have covered his life in any detail.(reference might be: http://www.revistanavigator.com.br/navig9/dossie/N9_dossie4.html) The Brazilian-designed Inhaúma class frigates were named in his honor in the 1980s and 1990s.(reference might be: Jane's Information Group, Jane's Fighting Ships, London, U.K.: Sampson Low, Marston. 1989, p. 55)

It might be good to mention his son Antonio Carlos de Mariz e Barros who died in the Paraguayan war. The son also had a destroyer named for his memory in the 20th century. • Astynax 09:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I added one brief sentence to "navy commissions" section ("Joaquim Inácio later complained: "In which part of the word... has the navy minister a general officer as an adjutant...") and I'm also done with "Conservative politician" (most of it which was moved to "navy commision"). Also, all pictures now in the article will be kept. So feel free to add the alternative descriptions to them. --Lecen (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I will try to go through the new material tonight. • Astynax 18:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I changed the main photo in Pedro II of Brazil. It was taken around the same time as the previous one but it has a far greater quality. If you believe the other one was better, let me know and I will revert to it. --Lecen (talk) 13:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

It always bothered me the pictures of Pedro II and of the Viscount of Rio Branco in the article about the Empire of Brazil: File:Pedro II of Brazil 1851 edit.png and File:Paranhos01.JPG. I wanted to keep the article less personal and more focused on the Brazilian world of the 19th-century. I wanted to change the first one for a daguerreotype of Recife, the capital of Pernambuco province (since the section talks about the Praieira revolt). The second one would be replaced by a picture of slaves and their children. I believe it's more fitting to the subject (Free Womb law). Are you against the change? --Lecen (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Those changes sound like they would be good. People can always click on the names of the people to go to those articles if they want to see how they looked. Also, I started an article about the Dom Pedro aquamarine that is now on permanent exhibition, and so far nobody is calling it the "Lord Peter aquamarine". • Astynax 06:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, I made the changes in Empire of Brazil. I also took the liberty of adding another daguerreotype to Honório Hermeto Carneiro Leão, Marquis of Paraná. The older one, with a view from the port with ships I'll keep in Inhaúma's article. Thus, we avoided having the same daguerreotype in three related articles. Once you have time, could you add an alternative description? P.S.: I wasn't aware of the existence of Dom Pedro aquamarine. I'm going to look for books in Portuguese at Google books that might have further info. --Lecen (talk) 13:00, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Juan Manuel de Rosas

I got quite a few excelent books about Juan Manuel de Rosas, the dictator of the Argentine Confederation. I wanted to bring his article to FA standards. However, I'm quite sure Cambalachero will a serious nuisance. He has been whitewashing Argentine history on Misplaced Pages since he first appeared. Historical figures who supported Liberalism and Democracy, such as Bartolomé Mitre and Sarmiento, are put aside while dictators like Rosas and Perón are turned into heroes. Since it seems that the Argentine Wikiproject is just as dead as the Brazilian wikiproject, I have little faith that other Argentine editors could step in and hold him back. I wanted to hear your opinion, if you believe it is worth the trouble or we should focus on something else. --Lecen (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)