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GA Reassessment

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This is not a good article according to the criteria at Misplaced Pages:WIAGA.

• Is is not factually accurate and verifiable. Most of the citations are to print sources which are not available. One could take them in good faith, but given the controversial (see Talk:Ferret_legging) veracity of the subject it is inadequate. Furthermore, the entire premise of the article is that it is describing a "sport" when this is clearly not a sport. A sport is an activity based in physical athleticism or physical dexterity. This is a stunt.
• It does not contain pictures backing it up.

--Cornellier (talk) 15:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but none of those are reasons to delist an article. If you don't think a source represents the article accurately then you can ask someone to verify it for you. If you can't access the source then you do need to accept it on good faith. Pictures are not required for a good srticle. In fact if no free ones exist then it is better to have none. AIRcorn (talk) 14:51, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

According to the Good_article_criteria a good article is "illustrated, if possible, by images" the topic Ferret legging is not illustrated by the images in the article. --Cornellier (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

If you can find a free picture of ferret legging then by all means go ahead and add it. Theleftorium 00:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

• Sources are not required to be online. The term sport is quite acceptable here as the competitive element makes stunt less suitable as a term. The article contains a picture. The article should retain its GA status. Warden (talk) 16:17, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I did not say sources are "required to be online". I said "most of the citations are to print sources ... given the controversial (see Talk:Ferret_legging) veracity of the subject it is inadequate". Re. "sport", You're saying it's a sport in the sense that chess or bridges are sports? Well then where is the governing set of rules or customs? The article asserts that there is (or was) a world champion and there is a world record. What governing body is declaring this? Regarding the picture, it does not illustrate "ferret legging". If you look up Horse racing you expect, and do see pictures of horse racing, not just horses. --Cornellier (talk) 23:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

• Completely ridiculous reasons for de-listing this article. The sources can be found using NewsBank, Highbeam, etc. Theleftorium 16:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The first five refs in the article are to "Fox, James G. (1998). Biology and Diseases of the Ferret (2 ed.). Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins." It is not found in NewsBank or Highbeam. I haven't checked the others yet. --Cornellier (talk) 23:14, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Have you considered checking a library? You know, one of those buildings full of books? Malleus Fatuorum 23:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Only the "The Cambridge Guide to Theatre" (in a different edition) is available. The other four books mentioned in the bibliography and used as references are not there. The various regional newspapers referenced are not there either. --Cornellier (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

So what? From memory there's an earlier edition of Fox available somewhere on the Internet, but you appear to be calling me a liar and of having invented this article and its sources. If that's your position then we might as well cut to the chase and address that issue. Malleus Fatuorum 00:47, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

In answer to your first statement "so what?", I was replying to your suggestion that I check "one of those buildings full of books". In answer to your second statement, no one is questioning whether the printed references exist. I'm stating that given the comments on the talk page, the article should have more recent references. That is what I said in the first bullet point above. The whole pretext of the article is that there is a "sport" called ferret legging that has a standing "world record" and a "national ferret legging event". Who's organizing this? Who's practising this? Where's the governing body? How many actual "athletes" can be named? I think there are two in the article. The article is misrepresenting the current situation. For there to be a "world record" there has to be a world championship or some kind. For there to be a "national" event, it has to have participants from across the country. The article needs references to back that up. --Cornellier (talk) 01:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Then we come full circle. That you find yourself unable to check the sources is your problem, not mine or anyone else's, and your obsession with this "sport" tag" is simply idiotic. To which I would add that your repeated attacks on the veracity of this article are grossly insulting. I would offer to forward on to you any source that you doubt, but clearly you would simply go on to accuse me of fabricating it, so there would be little point. Malleus Fatuorum 01:32, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

That's quite possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever heard anyone say on Misplaced Pages. Theleftorium 00:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

• Cornellier does not understand GA criteria, and the nomination is meritless. I would not object to an administrator closing this. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

T'nom sh'u'd geeoer flumoxing t'article 'nd use gumption 'stead o' blethering. Happen WP:RX for The Times Wednesday, Dec 31, 1980; pg. 2; Issue 60814; col G or happen WP:RX for The Times, Thursday, Mar 31, 1983; pg. 12; Issue 61495; col A? --Senra (talk) 01:03, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Given the obsession with "civility" here I'm amazed that Cornellier has been allowed to get away with this attack on my integrity, but then (s)he has obviously been around for quite a bit longer than (s)he pretends, so maybe it's just payback time for something or other. Malleus Fatuorum 03:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)