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:::: This game of parroting rankings to the point of ] within the article (above and beyond the fact they're statistical abstractions that are trivially gamed) and introducing ] into the article ignores the desperate need for attention to other glaring holes in the article. For instance, is there an undergraduate core curriculum that students take, or do they simply learn whatever's ranked highly in a magazine? I'm of the opinion the ranking section could be removed in its entirety and the quality of the article would actually be improved. ] (]) 06:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
:::: This game of parroting rankings to the point of ] within the article (above and beyond the fact they're statistical abstractions that are trivially gamed) and introducing ] into the article ignores the desperate need for attention to other glaring holes in the article. For instance, is there an undergraduate core curriculum that students take, or do they simply learn whatever's ranked highly in a magazine? I'm of the opinion the ranking section could be removed in its entirety and the quality of the article would actually be improved. ] (]) 06:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Your view is classic POV. Rankings are a matter of public record just like every other subjective thing at Misplaced Pages. The standard is the acceptability of the reference. I'm sorry if you have a personal problem with Ivy League schools, that's your issue. I attended the University of Oregon, a ''public school''. But I'm not carrying any chips about those more fortunate than I who went to the "snooty" schools, and your issues have no relevance here. =//= ] 07:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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Cornell is usually ranked among the top twenty universities in the world in a variety of rankings.
Many of Cornell's schools have been consistently ranked as some of the top schools in the United States.
The claims make conclusions not explicitly stated in any of the sources used, and include weasels and puffery. On Misplaced Pages, claims should be fully substantiated and stated simply and neutrally.
Despite clearly noting this issue in the edit history, Johnny Squeaky is insistent on keeping these claims. The only argument he has offered in support for keeping them is that he believes they are true, which is irrelevant to the issue. --Coolbb (talk) 23:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I think you're taking this a little far. The comments are no different than on many university wiki articles. As "boosterism", it's exceptionally tame, *IF* it even qualifies as that.
Cornell is usually ranked among the top twenty universities in the world in a variety of rankings.
This is a factual statement.
Many of Cornell's schools have been consistently ranked as some of the top schools in the United States.
This, too, is a factual statement. References can be found, but until then, maybe I'll add the template. I mean seriously, simply because a ref needs to be found has exactly zip to do with "boosterism", and these statement hardly qualify if at all. =//= Johnny Squeaky01:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
The sentences don't really add much value to the encyclopedia, and Misplaced Pages:Avoid academic boosterism invites us to "assert facts, not opinions" and to "avoid vague terms of praise" in pursuit of establishing a NPOV. Saying the university "is usually ranked" well is weak prose, as is saying "many of Cornell's schools" rank well . —Eustress03:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
First, there are many short sentences in many Wiki articles that "really don't add much", which is clearly a subjective statement in any case. However...
Saying that something us "usually ranked..." at a certain level is not a random opinion. Likewise, pointing out that Cornell's various colleges/departments are consistently ranked at a certain level is not a random opinion, but rather a statement of something that exists as a fact or in this case some type of ranking or evaluation by a known and respected publication or organization that does such rankings. All that is missing is a proper reference, which can almost certainly be found. =//= Johnny Squeaky04:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
This game of parroting rankings to the point of undue influence within the article (above and beyond the fact they're statistical abstractions that are trivially gamed) and introducing peacock words into the article ignores the desperate need for attention to other glaring holes in the article. For instance, is there an undergraduate core curriculum that students take, or do they simply learn whatever's ranked highly in a magazine? I'm of the opinion the ranking section could be removed in its entirety and the quality of the article would actually be improved. Madcoverboy (talk) 06:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Your view is classic POV. Rankings are a matter of public record just like every other subjective thing at Misplaced Pages. The standard is the acceptability of the reference. I'm sorry if you have a personal problem with Ivy League schools, that's your issue. I attended the University of Oregon, a public school. But I'm not carrying any chips about those more fortunate than I who went to the "snooty" schools, and your issues have no relevance here. =//= Johnny Squeaky07:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
