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{{cquote|The problem with your analogy is that on a sports team the two ides are equal, in that both take the field with the same opportunities to advance, score, and win. Here, the two sides are not equal. We have a word that is widely used to describe a particular prejudicial belief, and we have a tiny handful of people off to one side who don't like it. ] doesn't mean "everyone gets a seat at the table", it means "everyone ''of significance'' gets a seat at the table". If you're so fond of analogies...we're at the main Thanksgiving table in the dining room, while you're at the kids' fold-out table next to the kitchen. |4=] (]) 18:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)}} {{cquote|The problem with your analogy is that on a sports team the two ides are equal, in that both take the field with the same opportunities to advance, score, and win. Here, the two sides are not equal. We have a word that is widely used to describe a particular prejudicial belief, and we have a tiny handful of people off to one side who don't like it. ] doesn't mean "everyone gets a seat at the table", it means "everyone ''of significance'' gets a seat at the table". If you're so fond of analogies...we're at the main Thanksgiving table in the dining room, while you're at the kids' fold-out table next to the kitchen. |4=] (]) 18:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)}}
:You can post to your heart's desire but that doesn't change that you hold a minority opinion and are trying to make it seem equal to the majority opinion. --] | ] 23:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC) :You can post to your heart's desire but that doesn't change that you hold a minority opinion and are trying to make it seem equal to the majority opinion. --] | ] 23:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
::I thought I was on Guerillero's user page, not Tarc's page. But anyhow, you can't your way out of this by getting on a ] soapbox. ] indicates: "This policy describes what to do when you have a dispute with another editor. " Guerillero's user page indicates: "My editing style..." "I change what I am focusing on editing..." Therefore, it looks like Guerillero is an administrator/editor, & I have a dispute with him as an editor. ] indicates: "This page is for posting information and issues that affect administrators." "Assistance in resolving disputes → dispute resolution." ] indicates: "This page is for reporting and discussing incidents on the English Misplaced Pages that require the intervention of administrators and experienced editors." "Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page." Guerillero is a "user". Tarc, I do not see a cite for: "That applies to the person bringing objections not the people replying to threads." Your "favorite summary of NPOV" reminds me of the Thanksgiving turkey: "Turkeys are highly vocal, and 'social tension' within the group can be monitored by the birds’ vocalisations." Tarc, I do not see: "...doesn't mean "everyone gets a seat at the table", it means "everyone of significance gets a seat at the table" on ]. Exactly where are those quotes from on WP? Because I did a search on WP & did not find either one. However, I do find: "1 Explanation of the neutral point of view. This page in a nutshell: Articles mustn't take sides, but should explain the sides, fairly and without bias. This applies to both what you say and how you say it." "Editors, while naturally having their own points of view, should strive in good faith to provide complete information, and not to promote one particular point of view over another. As such, the neutral point of view does not mean exclusion of certain points of view, but including all notable and verifiable points of view." Guerillero, please cite the support for your statement: "ou hold a minority opinion and are trying to make it seem equal to the majority opinion." Because I do not see anywhere where I have not been open to ] "This page in a nutshell: Resolve disputes calmly, through civil discussion and consensus-building on relevant discussion pages." If administrators are unwilling to comply with ], I will be happy to proceed to: "There are several available options to request opinions from editors outside the dispute: other dispute resolution mechanisms include requests for comments, mediation or, after all other methods have been tried, arbitration." Thank you very much. ] (]) 21:43, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Didymus Judas Thomas 1/21/2013


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I see that you commented on the page User talk:TheOriginalSoni/Rolling Ball. Might I ask if you would be interested to join the project, and to leave your feedback on how we can better it? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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Updated DYK queryOn 18 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Toil, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the title track of the celtic punk album Toil has been compared to the Bruce Springsteen album Wrecking Ball? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Toil. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Rolling Ball

Hello, The page is up and running. We also have a Misplaced Pages:Rolling Ball/Hang Out Zone for everyone to discuss whatever they want. You are also requested to watchlist/keep and eye on the Hangout page so you can keep track of whatever everyone's talking about. Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:01, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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You have Charles M. Robinson in there twice; what was the second one supposed to be? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:58, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I will fix that. and were what I was trying to get at --Guerillero | My Talk 04:21, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Quick question on your Arbcom principles stuff...

Particularly the "using affiliations as as an ad hominem" piece - that item does not seem to come from NPA directly, and you have it tagged as adapted from another ArbCom case. So what is the status of that principle in relation to the community at large? Is it enforceable as part of general policy, or is it only in ArbCom's sphere? MSJapan (talk) 17:10, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

After watching my fair share of cases, principles give the essence of policy and are not direct quotes from policy pages. --Guerillero | My Talk 23:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:NPOV

Guerillero, on 1/19/2013 on my WP:NPOV Administrator's noticeboard discussion you posted: "I agree that a block is needed here. I suggest that it be an indef one. I see lots of POV pushing here." The WP Administrator's noticeboard indicates: "Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page." WP:CONS indicates: "This page documents an English Misplaced Pages "policy." Therefore, WP is clear & unambiguous re WP:CONS being a "policy." WP:NPOV indicates: "The principles upon which this policy is based cannot be superseded by other "policies" or guidelines, or "by editors' consensus." Therefore, WP is clear & unambiguous that WP:NPOV is "not" "coequal" with WP:CONS, but "supreme" to it, & that WP:NPOV "cannot" be superseded "by editors' consensus." . Yet volunteer & Admin editors are attempting to do just that. There would be no reason for WP:NPOV to state "by editors' consensus" if this "policy" did "not" supersede WP:CONS. Therefore, please advise if you disagree with WP:NPOV since you arbitrarily blocked my editor grievance. Otherwise, I will post my grievance re you enabling editors refusing to comply with WP:NPOV: "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources," on the Administrator's noticeboard. Thank you very much. Didymus Judas Thomas (talk) 23:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)Didymus Judas Thomas 1/20/2013

You can't wikilawyer your way out of this. For example: The WP Administrator's noticeboard indicates: "Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page." That applies to the person bringing objections not the people replying to threads. Therefore, please advise if you disagree with WP:NPOV since you arbitrarily blocked my editor grievance. Otherwise, I will post my grievance re you enabling editors refusing to comply with WP:NPOV. I suggest you read my favorite summary of NPOV.
“ The problem with your analogy is that on a sports team the two ides are equal, in that both take the field with the same opportunities to advance, score, and win. Here, the two sides are not equal. We have a word that is widely used to describe a particular prejudicial belief, and we have a tiny handful of people off to one side who don't like it. WP:NPOV doesn't mean "everyone gets a seat at the table", it means "everyone of significance gets a seat at the table". If you're so fond of analogies...we're at the main Thanksgiving table in the dining room, while you're at the kids' fold-out table next to the kitchen. ”
— Tarc (talk) 18:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
You can post to your heart's desire but that doesn't change that you hold a minority opinion and are trying to make it seem equal to the majority opinion. --Guerillero | My Talk 23:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I thought I was on Guerillero's user page, not Tarc's page. But anyhow, you can't your way out of this by getting on a WP:SOAP soapbox. WP:DR indicates: "This policy describes what to do when you have a dispute with another editor. " Guerillero's user page indicates: "My editing style..." "I change what I am focusing on editing..." Therefore, it looks like Guerillero is an administrator/editor, & I have a dispute with him as an editor. WP:DR indicates: "This page is for posting information and issues that affect administrators." "Assistance in resolving disputes → dispute resolution." WP:ANI indicates: "This page is for reporting and discussing incidents on the English Misplaced Pages that require the intervention of administrators and experienced editors." "Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page." Guerillero is a "user". Tarc, I do not see a cite for: "That applies to the person bringing objections not the people replying to threads." Your "favorite summary of NPOV" reminds me of the Thanksgiving turkey: "Turkeys are highly vocal, and 'social tension' within the group can be monitored by the birds’ vocalisations." Tarc, I do not see: "...doesn't mean "everyone gets a seat at the table", it means "everyone of significance gets a seat at the table" on WP:NPOV. Exactly where are those quotes from on WP? Because I did a search on WP & did not find either one. However, I do find: "1 Explanation of the neutral point of view. This page in a nutshell: Articles mustn't take sides, but should explain the sides, fairly and without bias. This applies to both what you say and how you say it." "Editors, while naturally having their own points of view, should strive in good faith to provide complete information, and not to promote one particular point of view over another. As such, the neutral point of view does not mean exclusion of certain points of view, but including all notable and verifiable points of view." Guerillero, please cite the support for your statement: "ou hold a minority opinion and are trying to make it seem equal to the majority opinion." Because I do not see anywhere where I have not been open to WP:DR "This page in a nutshell: Resolve disputes calmly, through civil discussion and consensus-building on relevant discussion pages." If administrators are unwilling to comply with WP:NPOV, I will be happy to proceed to: "There are several available options to request opinions from editors outside the dispute: other dispute resolution mechanisms include requests for comments, mediation or, after all other methods have been tried, arbitration." Thank you very much. Didymus Judas Thomas (talk) 21:43, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Didymus Judas Thomas 1/21/2013

DYK for Margaret McKenna

Updated DYK queryOn 21 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Margaret McKenna, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Sister Margaret McKenna and other activists were arrested for participating in a "die-in" on the lawn of The Pentagon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret McKenna. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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