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| *Yes, it's poor writing. {{harvnb|Hardman|2000}}, as cited in the very first revision of the article, checks out. A ''mangsuk'' is a ''household shrine'' to ancestors {{harv|Hardman|2000|p=142–145}}. The book that FunnyPika pointed to above is in fact a chapter that is ''also'' written by Charlotte E. Hardman, who is a lecturer in religion at the ]. You can verify that Hardman is talking about a household shrine even without reading Hardman. Her work is cited by others. ISBN 9789004120631, p. 693, states that "Hardman describes […] the rôle of the ''mangsuk'' or household shrine in Lohorung ritual observances,". ] (]) 23:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC) | *Yes, it's poor writing. {{harvnb|Hardman|2000}}, as cited in the very first revision of the article, checks out. A ''mangsuk'' is a ''household shrine'' to ancestors {{harv|Hardman|2000|p=142–145}}. The book that FunnyPika pointed to above is in fact a chapter that is ''also'' written by Charlotte E. Hardman, who is a lecturer in religion at the ]. You can verify that Hardman is talking about a household shrine even without reading Hardman. Her work is cited by others. ISBN 9789004120631, p. 693, states that "Hardman describes […] the rôle of the ''mangsuk'' or household shrine in Lohorung ritual observances,". ] (]) 23:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete.''' So now we know that this is a shrine rather than a god. That still doesn't make it notable per ], and we can't really have an article consisting only of "A mangsuk is a household shrine in the religion of the ]." We'd need more information about it (and the rituals it's used for). If the article ] ever gets a section about religion, it might be mentioned there. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 20:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Suspected hoax. Creator has a long history of creating articles that are deleted, and has in some case removed the deletion templates. Article about the author of the ref is also listed for deletion. Dmol (talk) 01:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- THis is not hoax. Hi All, Mangsuk is the god of Lohorung community. Lohorung are the native settlers of remote part of eastern Nepal. As this culutre is not exposed in writings there are not enough evidence to prove it. This article should not be deleted in anyway. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishlohorung (talk • contribs) 01:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I found this dissertation, this pdf and this book making mention of this being used as an altar/shrine. Whether it warrants an article is debatable. Funny 02:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Only the dissertation has any information at all on the subject of the article. And it's a primary source, so it's not even valid for WP. PianoDan (talk) 00:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- The book mentions this subject in a footnote on page 56. Uncle G (talk) 23:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Only the dissertation has any information at all on the subject of the article. And it's a primary source, so it's not even valid for WP. PianoDan (talk) 00:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Probable hoax. FunnyPika has been on WP for four days, and is a likely hoax as well. PianoDan (talk) 02:21, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- "PianoDan", How can a Misplaced Pages editor be a "likely hoax?" I thought only articles and their subjects could be hoaxes. First Light (talk) 19:37, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see how your accusation constitutes as rationale for article deletion. Care to expand on your ad hominem? Funny 14:57, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm going to assume WP:good faith here. I think it may be that the article creator's English skills aren't that good. Ashishlohorung, if you don't want this article to be deleted, you need to add references to prove notability. Try WP:References#Adding References for help. Howicus (talk) 17:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- The reference was there cited right in the first revision of the article. Uncle G (talk) 23:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- @FunnyPika thanks for those references. @Howicus , yes could be my English is not good the article is valid as I have mentioned it is the god of Lohorung. Though there is not enough written materials in the web, pls I suggest all you guys to help me out to improve this article as I suppose Misplaced Pages is meant be like that. Thanks for all your support . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishlohorung (talk • contribs) 00:37, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 17:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 17:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I'm inclined toward Keep, but rewrite. The three sources provided, two of them which are arguably reliable, all point to Mangsuk as being a ritual altar and perhaps also the name of the ritual itself in Nepal, rather than a God. The dissertation supports that idea. All of which points to poor english rather than hoax. First Light (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione 18:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, it's poor writing. Hardman 2000 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFHardman2000 (help), as cited in the very first revision of the article, checks out. A mangsuk is a household shrine to ancestors (Hardman 2000, p. 142–145) harv error: no target: CITEREFHardman2000 (help). The book that FunnyPika pointed to above is in fact a chapter that is also written by Charlotte E. Hardman, who is a lecturer in religion at the University of Newcastle Upon Tyne. You can verify that Hardman is talking about a household shrine even without reading Hardman. Her work is cited by others. ISBN 9789004120631, p. 693, states that "Hardman describes the rôle of the mangsuk or household shrine in Lohorung ritual observances,". Uncle G (talk) 23:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Delete. So now we know that this is a shrine rather than a god. That still doesn't make it notable per WP:GNG, and we can't really have an article consisting only of "A mangsuk is a household shrine in the religion of the Lohorung people." We'd need more information about it (and the rituals it's used for). If the article Lohorung people ever gets a section about religion, it might be mentioned there. Sandstein 20:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)