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Please, comment on this page if you'd like 681 retained in the info box, it is not over yet.

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Turks in Bulgaria/Europe

The National Statistical Institute of Bulgaria clearly states the following

National Statistical Institute of Bulgaria (2011), 2011 Census (Final data) (PDF), National Statistical Institute of Bulgaria, p. 4

Турската етническа група е втората по численост - 588 318 лица. Те представляват 8.8% от населението.
The Turkish ethnic group is the second largest - 588,318 persons. They represent 8.8% of the population.

Turco85 (Talk) 12:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

You have not understood correctly. It is 8.8% of those that voluntarily declared their ethnic group, not of Bulgaria's population. I am beginning a long clarifying from here- Bulgaria's population is 7,364,570 as of the census see the final data (PDF), p. 3, yet some 680,000 people have not gave any answer at the question for ethnic group and therefore 6,680,980 is the figure from which the percentages of the ethnic groups are taken in the final data: according to the Statistical Institute's ethnic statistics here. 588,318 out of 6,680,980 is 8.81%, while 588,318 out of 7,364,570 is 7.99% (caluclated with percentage calculator, - {{citation}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)CS1 maint: year (link)). The quotation itself starts on this way:

Българската етническа група обхваща 5 664 624, или 84,8% от лицата, доброволно декларирали етническото си самоопределение.
Турската етническа група е втората по численост - 588 318 лица. Те представляват 8.8% от населението.
The Bulgarian ethnic group comprise 5 664 624, or 84,8% from the persons, voluntarily declared their ethnic affiliation.
The Turkish ethnic group is the second largest - 588,318 persons. They represent 8.8% of the population.

and as you see here in the statistics both 84.8 and 8.8 percentages are taken from one figure - not from Bulgaria's population, so as the current statement claims 8.8% from the Bulgaria's population it is misleading.--Ceco31 (talk) 19:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

That is not how we do things at wikipedia. We have to stick to what the sources say, not make our own interpretations out of it. The source says 8.8%, unless you can find official sources which states 8% your edit will be reverted.Turco85 (Talk) 22:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

You are misinterpreting the sources - it is from the persons voluntarily declared their ethnic group. It claims "The Bulgarian ethnic group comprise 5 664 624, or 84,8% from the persons, voluntarily declared their ethnic affiliation." and I can prove that both percentages of 84.8% of the Bulgarian ethnic group and 8.8% of the Turkish are from one figure, here proven by the Statistical Institute: here. See now from the source behind, not from my own interpretations, that 8.8% and 84.8%(the percentage of the Bulgarian ethnic group) are percentages from one figure, and remember again what was claimed for 84.8% "from the persons, voluntarily declared their ethnic affiliation". See in it also that the percentages are taken from the total of 6,680,980 and Bulgaria's population was 7,364,570 as of the census. --Ceco31 (talk) 19:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I am trying to compromise with you, but I don't see why you keep removing my edits when I am merely trying to improve your sentence structure. Your grammer is not the best.Turco85 (Talk) 16:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I understand the point you are trying to make now. Nonetheless, the sentence still needed a cleanup for clarity.Turco85 (Talk) 16:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Romanization of Bulgarian

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Please note that this is not a discussion about which system is better or worse: I like other systems better than the one you are using or the official one, but we have to be consistent throughout Misplaced Pages. I'd appreciate it if you go through the romanization changes you've made and revert them. Thanks!

Do let me know if you need help with anything else, I'd be happy to assist. Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 08:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Todor and thanks for the readiness to assist, I will seek you for help and opinions when I need. I myself will revert the changes I made on romanization if it need be according to the rules of Misplaced Pages. Just confirm shortly once again with "revert them" and I will revert them. Because I first want to ask you, as currently on the pages I made changes it conforms to the official system as on the identity cards by all odds except the emphasis in "a", and wouldn't be better to have the emphasis to distinguish "a" from "ъ" because they are diferent sounds in general and in the Misplaced Pages:IPA for Bulgarian and Macedonian and as this change from "a" to "ă" is not changing of letter of the official system, only adding a stress?--Ceco31 (talk) 09:49, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I realize why you made this change and I am also unhappy with the way the official system fails to distinguish between "а" and "ъ". There's not much we can do about it, though: the system is official and it has been intentionally designed without diacritics. So please revert these changes you have made. Of course, if you want to make sure the readers correctly understand the pronunciations of placenames, etc. (but not of "български" every time), you can always add an IPA pronunciation guide.

By the way, see here for my arguments as to why the passage you added to Musala should be removed. Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 10:45, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Ceco, Please, help and participate in the Bulgaria dispute. The more folks participate the better.

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Hi Ceco31, we need your help at the Bulgaria dispute. If you feel that 681 and 1185 have to be included, please post on the dispute page (Ximhua (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2012 (UTC))

Hi, Ximhua, chill out man, the truth is one, doesn't matter what Misplaced Pages says. Аnyway as we have embarked on with this, I expressed my support, the independence users cannot contradict 681 supported by the smarter than them experts, but they may invent a justification again. We will do that is within our reach, but if the mates Gligan and Apcbg for example participate in discussion would be better, the more cool users the better. Regards :D. --Ceco31 (talk) 22:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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I've submitted this matter to the mediation committee: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Bulgaria Please review! (Ximhua (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC))

Hi Ceco,

I am Espor and I am a new editor in wikipedia, who is interested in Bulgarian history. I invite you to the dispute on the infobox of the Bulgaria page. Currently I have noticed that the founding year of Bulgaria is missing there. I tried to revert it, however the page is now protected and can no longer be edited. If we convince the opponents that they are wrong for various of reasons, truth will be victorious. For now only Ximhua is participating in the talk. I am busy and cannot reply all the time to the nonsenses the opposite side. Therefore we need more defenders of the cause. I saw that you were involved in a previous dispute, it is time to renew this discussion and settle the account once for all. cheers.Espor (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ceco31,

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Ximhua (talk) 02:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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The discussion is here. Bielle (talk) 19:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

A discussion has also been opened at Talk:Sergei Stanishev where your input would be useful if we are to avoid edit warring. Bielle (talk) 21:42, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources (not yellow newspapers or blogs) when writing for a living person - WP:BLP and WP:BLPGOSSIP , you are trying to claim that every single Bulgarian Prime Minister was Jewish and it looks like you are having something negative in mind with this?

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Well, to be precise, he doesn't claim that ALL prime-ministers have been Jews, for example he's trying to make Ivan Kostov a Gipsy -- again based on his own (Ceco's) hateful agenda, and no reliable sources whatsoever. He obviously enjoys vandalizing the articles about people he personally doesn't like, by inserting rumors propagated by the yellow press. I strongly suggest banning him indefinitely. 88.203.176.7 (talk) 05:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Images

I strongly advise you to revert these changes yourself, first because they're not "more significant" (whatever that means) and poorly illustrative of the purpose of each section, and second because such a massive change of images is not acceptable without having been discussed. - ☣Tourbillon 15:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Some are by far less significant, for ex. the Bulgarian squad for the 2010 winter games, it is outdated and Bulgaria have never performed well at the Winter Olympics to be one of three pics for her culture. Others are not more significant, but more appropriate, i.e. the Bulgarian men and women in the Demographics, but this may be only mine opinion. My question is do you oppose all of the changed images or some of them, if so could you replace only these that you disapprove? I don't know about you, but I personally prefer we not to start a new discussion again. Second which poorly illustrates the sections? I've carefully read the text and put the images next to text about them. There is also a text that I updated, for example the religious distribution according to the 2011 census as presented by CIA. I could revert my changes but it would be better if you change only the images that you dislike, not to undid the whole revision. So what would you say?--Ceco31 (talk) 15:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Could you please not argue ? It's not about who "likes" images and who doesn't, the entire edit is tendentious because of things like "Cyrillic script whose birthplace is Bulgaria" and "The Bulgarian church is the earliest church which used..." which are not globally significant yet stink of a tourist advertisement. The picture of the cathedral is probably one of the worst that could've been chosen, the treasure is vaguely representative Bulgarian culture unlike the rare printed book, and tarator is not even Bulgarian. There's enough issues making this article a battleground already, so once again - please, revert your edit, images are the last thing we need to argue about right now. - ☣Tourbillon 15:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Why not to argue, things here should be disputed to be adjusted. Now there are some inappropriaties. I don't say is about who likes, is about to choose the more appropriate for the article. This about the Cyrillic script is sourced in the text, about the church is also true, so these details are just of more significance there is nothing peacock with showing them. Such facts are highlited in other articles, so then most articles are tourist advertisement. The picture of the cathedral is the best that could've been chosen, this is the traditional religion in Bulgaria, the Sofia University is nothing unique. I am amazed for your statement about the treasure, it is unique dating to the 5 cent. BC and 24-karat at the same time, which picture would be better than it? If the tarator is not Bulgarian then what is it, are you aware what is its origin? Then can you define any dish as Bulgarian, if you can we can replace with picture with it? On that way none Bulgarian dish is Bulgarian then as most dishes are Ottoman and international, I did't found a Bulgarian dish on that criteria except Shopska salad but it is a version of the Greek salad. You only want to criticize mine images, but have you seen the negative in yours? There are some ridicilious points, nothing personal, don't want to offend you, for ex. as the point about the book instead the Map of the Cyrillic that originated in Bulgaria and this about the treasure. Finally, I don't want to be impudent and to push all my images without discussing and so please replace the images you want to replace and I will not edit-war prior to the discussion's end.--Ceco31 (talk) 16:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I can explain in detail why the ones you placed are inappropriate, but I am very unwilling to waste the little energy I have on this issue right now. Starting from the technical quality of the pictures to how suitable they would be for a Featured Article (I suppose you haven't read the points by reviewers). So what I propose is for you to simply revert your edit, and we can discuss placing different images once the current discussions are finished. Doing so will save a lot of bragging , and more editors will take part in the future discussion. - ☣Tourbillon 17:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

OK don't explain it, you are tired I see. I can't disagree that other editors should take part in the discussion, but as you I prefer it postponed for the future and to find a temporary solution here. As I corrected the religious distribution and I can not understand the point for some of the images, I propose the following: change the images you want to change with brief explanation in the edit summary, not in the discussion, and afterwards I will not revert or edit-war until our discussion ends and you will not give lengthy explanations on my talk page. --Ceco31 (talk) 18:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

That's just it, I'd change all the images (maybe except one), I just can't bother explaining why right now. Images were a significant issue during the last FA nomination and all of those you inserted both bring the article back where it was before the nomination, or clearly contradict some of the guidelines from the MoS on images. - ☣Tourbillon 07:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I am busy right now and I will respond after the weekend. During that time do what you wnt to do in the Bulgari article and we will discuss it afterwards if is necessary.--Ceco31 (talk) 10:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll revert your changes and explain in detail why I did it, though I won't be willing (or able to) go into that discussion as well. Feel free to comment, but I won't be quick on it. - ☣Tourbillon 18:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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You have not bothered to read the questions I raised several times on the talk page and on the edit summary. I am also not going to answer you then.--Ceco31 (talk) 16:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hello,

I noted, but a problem remains, first and most important - you can't claim that thet these scholars are independent, because you have not evidences for that, all they could be dependent of some organizations and implement directives against the party from there, which is evident from the same hostile attacks from them - Attack is "radical" nationalist, "ultra" nationalist and "anti" Roma and against all the peace and humnanity. It is not known from what underground organizations these authors depend, masons, gay clubs, etc. and is not known from what depends this one who wrote it and who is behind the one who wrote it, especially this frauds happen when it comes for parties. When you prove, that the sources you use are independent I will agree with you, but so far I disagree. Until we do not have sources from independent scholars, we should follow the self-view of the party, aren't we? The party deny e.g. - for xenophobia and anti-Roma and should be moved to paragraph controversy, second there are no reliable sources to say that it is closely related to the Bulgarian Church, this reamins an claim, and is not known from who depends this one who wrote it. I don't know whether there is consenus that Attack is an ultranationalist party and don't know what the term means too, but I will move some of the statements to Criticism because there is controversy for them. So, if you have time could you post citations for the so-called consesnsus that Attack is ultranationalist party and that Siderov is ultranationalist? Are these sources states that all its ideology is only ultranationalist, because besides nationalism it also has Socialism and etc. Thank you too, regards, --Ceco31 (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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February 2013

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February 2013

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at Bulgarians, you may be blocked from editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Your recent editing on Bulgarians shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Jingiby (talk) 18:54, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Arbitration enforcement

You have been reported for your disruptive edit-warring at WP:AE. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Ceco31, please see EdJohnston's comment at the bottom of the AE request. I'd be grateful if you could respond to his suggestion. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:00, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Blocked

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Lord Roem ~ (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

• Note for administrators: This is not an AE block; though he has been warned below. -- Lord Roem ~ (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Warning

Ceco31, you are warned about discretion sanctions relating to your edits on articles relating to the Balkans, broadly interpreted. Should any uninvolved administrator believe you are engaged in a future edit-war or other disruptive editing, they are free to invoke the discretionary sanctions linked above for further sanctions. -- Lord Roem ~ (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)