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Proposed deletion of Neuromusculoskeletal

Hello, DVMt, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages!

I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Neuromusculoskeletal, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

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• Apologies - the standard "proposed deletion warning" template seems to be malfunctioning and produced the above automated message without saying why I proposed deletion, which is that it seems to be an unsourced dictionary definition with little scope for expansion into a full WP article. PamD 08:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

January 2013

Hello, I'm Raeky. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Chiropractic without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, I restored the removed content. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! — raekyt 22:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC) Srike warning. — raekyt 23:07, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Chiropractic

Hi DVMt, and welcome to Misplaced Pages, since I hadn't met you before. I started working on the Chiropractic article about 3 years ago, since I initially thought it was overly critical of the health risks of spinal manipulation. I haven't been around much recently, but I did notice you were running into some friction. As you can see, this article is phenomenally controversial. I learned from experience that the best way forward in circumstances like these is to discuss changes first, but if you choose to be bold and make changes straightaway, to follow WP:BRD if others revert you--meaning you go through one cycle of reverts and additions and then go directly to the talk page. It can be frustrating when your changes are undone, especially when little or no comment is made as to why or when the revert is a blanket one across multiple smaller edits, and as you noted that can even seem like vandalism. Still, I'd encourage you to take it as a sign that you changed too much too quickly for other editors' comfort and to go and propose individual changes on the talk page, including your reasoning. Often in smaller chunks other editors will be more receptive to changes. Also, giving others a chance to comment before you add contact back in builds good faith and lowers the tension at the article overall. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions, and I hope you stay around. Cheers, Ocaasi 04:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ocaasi. I did make a bunch of smaller edits (5-6 I believe) to see what kind of editors I'm dealing with. Rather than taking down 1 edit and explaining themselves they just did a massive blanket revert. I sense that there may be something greater here at play but I will not jump to conclusions. But a definite pattern. TippyGoomba and Raeky are the type of editors who are primarily reverters, and are extremely vague about why they did it. They provide no specifics and present no alternatives so I'm negotiating with myself. I limit myself to 1RR a day, which is me exercising restraint when I know the game is rigged. I don't see any genuine attempts of dissenting involved editors with the exception of Alexbrn who use talk constructively and who present alternatives. Although we may agree to disagree, his style is honorable. I can tell when some editors are trying discredit me (as opposed to the content of edits) and trying to build up a case with admins in the future. I won't get uncivil and stoop to their level. But they should be aware that I won't be bullied here or anywhere. I agree that the article can be a mine field but perhaps your watchful eye can maybe separate some of the wheat from chaff... red herrings everywhere in that tak page. Thanks for your reply. DVMt (talk)

I wish I could get involved there, but I pace myself pretty carefully when it comes to conflict and this is an area where I can't really spare the energy at the moment. I would seek out other editors who you respect on both "sides" and build consensus among those who seem most willing to reason. I told Puhlaa anything that I know a while back and I would trust his guidance. You can also stop by the WikiProject Medicine talk page at WT:MED. You won't necessarily find eager chiropractic supporters, but you will find people who care deeply about properly representing the best evidence. Working with some of them helped me to evaluate my own views on medicine. If you haven't before, give WP:MEDRS a really close read, because regardless of what you think mainstream medicine/alternative medicine, that document is the community consensus for all medical claims. It still leaves discussion about neutrality, but narrows the debate considerably when it comes to which sources are acceptable. Last words of advice. When you can't agree on outcome, try to agree on principles. Starting at the bottom can help you build consensus without people feeling like you 'won' something that they had to 'lose'. Ocaasi 05:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:PSMED

Thanks :) The credit for this goes to a lot of people, mostly in WikiProject Medicine who created the pages from which I more or less just wholesale copied (with attribution of course). Still, there's value in presentation and putting everything in one place, so I hope that others--especially newcomers--find it useful. Thanks again for your nice words. Ocaasi 05:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback

Moosehadley 08:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Thinker

Hey DVMt, I would object, but for policy reasons that reflect community consensus on this point. Please review Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Images#Choosing_images. As it explains, images should be consistent with NPOV, but they don't have to exist at all, and where they do exist they need to be directly related to the article content, not just a general category (such as Philosophy). One way to deal with images that reflect a POV, is to simply balance them with other images and create NPOV that way, when taken as a whole. Also properly attributing an image with a caption can explain what particular aspect of an article the image is representing/illustrating--that's not inherently not POV if done carefully. Thanks for checking, let me know me if I can explain further. Ocaasi 01:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Don't be in any rush, but there are 5 pillars, a few core policies, tens of total policies (55 now, I think) and many more guidelines: You can see them all together at WP:P&G. A good place to start, at your leisure is with the plain and simple guide, and you can keep the manual of style handy for more education/browsing. Mostly you just learn by doing, talking to others, copying from people who seem to have a clue, reading up on policies/guidelins when you get a chance or have a need. It helps to learn how to search for them when you need them and consult them if you're unsure. You can search for a policy/guideline/information page by typing WP:NAMEOFTOPICHERE into the search bar, like WP:References or WP:Images or WP:NPOV (most of these have multiple shortcuts so you don't have to get the name exactly right). Also, drop by the Teahouse where you can ask new questions of experienced and friendly editors who are there just to be helpful and easy-to-understand. Or, keep checking in with me if you like, any time, really. Cheers, Ocaasi 02:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

These are a great resource, thank you for condensing them all into one clean space for me. I can't guarantee I'm going to become an expert WP policy wonk, but I will do what I can to inform myself. I appreciate your offer of assistance, and I'm sure I'm going to take you up on it at some point! DVMt (talk) 04:07, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Rewrite

I think it's great that you asked at WP:MED and no problem at all mentioning me. I'm making some notes about your rewrite and will try and get them to you this week, depending on how some other projects are going. Cheers! Ocaasi 02:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement. Unfortunately my attempt at transparency has resulted in Doc James deleting the WHOLE article because he disagrees with one study which suggested equivalence of SMT for back pain. Anyways, thanks for taking the time to give the rewrite an honest good look and I look forward to seeing your proposals! DVMt (talk) 02:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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