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	::Unfortunately David, article naming is based on the demographics of users who 'watch' the page. In this case more users of a nationalist persuasion watch the page and to a vote it was decided that to use the official and common name was deemed too offensive and so the city is referred to as 'Derry' on wikipedia. Don't worry though, a compromise was found whereby the county article page would be called County Londonderry instead of County Londonderry. Seems fair, right? Welcome to wikipedia, home to the easily offended. I suggest that you setup and account as that is the best way to be ignored on this page.] (]) 00:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)		::Unfortunately David, article naming is based on the demographics of users who 'watch' the page. In this case more users of a nationalist persuasion watch the page and to a vote it was decided that to use the official and common name was deemed too offensive and so the city is referred to as 'Derry' on wikipedia. Don't worry though, a compromise was found whereby the county article page would be called County Londonderry instead of County Londonderry. Seems fair, right? Welcome to wikipedia, home to the easily offended. I suggest that you setup and account as that is the best way to be ignored on this page.] (]) 00:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::We've been through the figures quite carefully and the result is quite obvious once you discount the references to American towns of Derry and Londonderry and to the countess and suchlike. In fact the thing we're not doing which that indicates we should be doing is pointing Londonderry at the town in America, but I think we'll try and avoid doing that to try and keep a bit of peace here and anyway referring to the state as well as in ] is common practice in America. ] (]) 13:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)		:::We've been through the figures quite carefully and the result is quite obvious once you discount the references to American towns of Derry and Londonderry and to the countess and suchlike. In fact the thing we're not doing which that indicates we should be doing is pointing Londonderry at the town in America, but I think we'll try and avoid doing that to try and keep a bit of peace here and anyway referring to the state as well as in ] is common practice in America. ] (]) 13:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

			:::Just so we are clear, the decision to name this page was not based on Common Name, it was based on a compromise. Common Name is the apparent reason why we can not go back and call the page Londonderry. Dmcq, lets not do this again, but stats were presented to show that Londonderry was more Common. You presented stats that present that Derry was more common. Both sets of results were probably skewed given the unreliability of search engines. Did your searches ignore the 300 odd townlands that have 'Derry' in their name, probably not, did my searches exclude Londonderry, NH, probably not. But I think I am correct in saying that the only way this page will change is if there are more users for the change to official name. But in this case more users of a nationalist persuason monitor this page and for that reason, this will never change. But like I said if elected representatives can come to an agreement to call the city Londonderry, but call the council Derry City, I thought that would of been the most logical suit to follow.] (]) 14:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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Note to editors: the agreed compromise for the Derry/Londonderry name dispute is that the city page shall be titled Derry and the county page shall be titled County Londonderry.

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Category:Derry needs to be sorted in this article like so.

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It is missing the space and currently appears under "D" in its category. --86.40.98.208 (talk) 20:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Benign wiki markup request only. —KuyaBriBri 20:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Derry vs. Londonderry

Is there any reason why this article is titled "Derry" with a note in the article that the official name of the city is "Londonderry" rather than having the title be the actual name of the city and then noting it is colloquially known as Derry? Kdb1965 (talk) 12:53, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Read the note. It says it is a compromise. You could also search back the history here, on this page, and see the many many pages of arguments leading to this decision. --HighKing (talk) 13:02, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I notice that in the Category box at the bottom of the page, the UK articles this article are related to are listed before the Ireland articles. Surely to be even-handed the Ireland articles should be listed first? Should Misplaced Pages even be listing the Derry article as a UK article at all? I find such support for colonialism deeply offensive. This isn't the 19th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.249.183 (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Lol. Good one. — Jon C. 14:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Derry/Londonderry is part of the United Kingdom (which is a soveriegn state), like it or not, Londonderry (which is the offical name of the city) is part of Northern Ireland (which is part of the U.K) and not the Repbulic of Ireland. The city is situated on the island of Ireland but is not part of R.O.I itself. Italay90 (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Does it say anywhere in this article that the city is not part of the United Kingdom? Does it say that the UK is not a "soveriegn" state? Does it say that the city is not in Northern Ireland? Does it say that the city is in the "Repbulic" of Ireland, or that it is "part of R.O.I itself"? What exactly is your point? Brocach (talk) 23:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Population

The population of the city proper is given as 83,652 as shown in the 2012 census. While the population given here is accurate, it is not taken from the 2012 census but the 2001 census. The official 2012 population for the city itself has not yet been released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latentsleepy (talk • contribs) 03:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Renaming Article

Hello, I understand the disagreement in the naming of the city of Derry/Londonderry, however, I believe we should change the article name to the offical name of the city. The city of Newcastle upon Tyne is commonly refered to as Newcastle, however the article contains the cities offical name. I believe we should be using offical city names (Londonderry) and not those which cities may commonly be refered to (Derry). Italay90 (talk) 23:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Look up WP:COMMONNAME. Brocach (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 February 2013

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It is my wish under the freedom of information act , that you provide me with the details of how and when the decison to entitle my hometown name as Derry rather than the legally offical name Londonderry. as you will know the High Court ruled on this matter in 2007, i want to know why wikpedia find it acceptable to ignore a High Court Judgement. Can you please explain to me the process of how you came to make this alleged compromise ruling. i look forward to hearing from you on this matter . regards David Nicholl 82.132.231.82 (talk) 22:44, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

That law is inapplicable for a number of reasons, principally:

Misplaced Pages is base din the US not Britain

Misplaced Pages is not a government organization.

However to answer your question WP:COMMONNAME is the policy that governs the titles of articles. The city is more often referred to as Derry than as Londonderry even in scholarly sources. This has been discussed a number of times on this talk page and on the talk page for WP:IMOS.

I must also warn you in case you are inclined that way not to try using legal threats on Misplaced Pages or otherwise you will be blocked, see WP:LEGAL. Dmcq (talk) 23:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately David, article naming is based on the demographics of users who 'watch' the page. In this case more users of a nationalist persuasion watch the page and to a vote it was decided that to use the official and common name was deemed too offensive and so the city is referred to as 'Derry' on wikipedia. Don't worry though, a compromise was found whereby the county article page would be called County Londonderry instead of County Londonderry. Seems fair, right? Welcome to wikipedia, home to the easily offended. I suggest that you setup and account as that is the best way to be ignored on this page.Factocop (talk) 00:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

We've been through the figures quite carefully and the result is quite obvious once you discount the references to American towns of Derry and Londonderry and to the countess and suchlike. In fact the thing we're not doing which that indicates we should be doing is pointing Londonderry at the town in America, but I think we'll try and avoid doing that to try and keep a bit of peace here and anyway referring to the state as well as in Londonderry, New Hampshire is common practice in America. Dmcq (talk) 13:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Just so we are clear, the decision to name this page was not based on Common Name, it was based on a compromise. Common Name is the apparent reason why we can not go back and call the page Londonderry. Dmcq, lets not do this again, but stats were presented to show that Londonderry was more Common. You presented stats that present that Derry was more common. Both sets of results were probably skewed given the unreliability of search engines. Did your searches ignore the 300 odd townlands that have 'Derry' in their name, probably not, did my searches exclude Londonderry, NH, probably not. But I think I am correct in saying that the only way this page will change is if there are more users for the change to official name. But in this case more users of a nationalist persuason monitor this page and for that reason, this will never change. But like I said if elected representatives can come to an agreement to call the city Londonderry, but call the council Derry City, I thought that would of been the most logical suit to follow.Factocop (talk) 14:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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