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Question re: interaction ban breach

Hi, some weeks ago it was brought to your attention the instance of a most egregious breach of an interaction ban by an editor on JW's talk page; I was informed that it would be dealt with. I enquired with another Arb as to whether anything had been raised, but they couldn't see anything. Given the person's long history of wilfully breaching that interaction ban, it is necessary that something be done about it. What makes it more problematic is that I received an email from them telling me that they were trying to get me banned because I "fucked" with them, and the interaction ban breach on JW's talk page was continuing what I can only describe as harassment.

Please advise what if anything has been done about this interaction ban breach. Russavia (talk) 13:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

If you are talking about what I think, then it seems it was months before your block was lifted and very subtle. Any action at this point would be purely punitive. How about you stop being so vindictive? Your recent comment at YRC's page was really inappropriate and it seems you are nursing a grudge here too with regards to another editor. Perhaps if you didn't act this way you wouldn't have to deal with the kind of hostility you have faced.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 17:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

TDA, you obviously don't know what issue I am talking about. As to YRC, that is a failing of the community that I won't soon forget, given the nature of what occurred at the time.

TC, given the harassment that I have been subjected to by a co-ordinated group of trolls off this project (of which this person is front and centre of if one looks with both eyes open), and given that the breach occurred only a matter of hours before my block was vacated, it would have been inappropriate to raise the issue with Ed Johson (if you read my appeal text, you will see what I am referring to there). I am really not sure whether if this would be appropriate for WP:AE -- I am guessing that it would be referred to the Committee anyway, given that the nature of the evidence would be unsuitable for that venue -- I am not sure if you have seen anything on the Arbcom mailing lists from myself in relation to this editor, but if you have, you will also surely know what I mean. I simply need to know whether the committee is discussing the issue and will deal with it appropriately, or whether it needs to go back to the Community -- given that it's been a couple of weeks since the issue was brought to your attention, it would be amiss and inappropriate to take it back to the community at AE, only to have it closed as being "stale". So that is what is needing advice on please. Russavia (talk) 19:13, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

All right, I see what you are talking about now. Honestly, given that no one saw your unblock coming and it was still set to expire months later I fail to see why keeping this dispute alive weeks later is worth anything.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 19:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

When an editor emails me and tells me that they were trying to get me blocked/banned because I "fucked" with them, and that editor is front and centre at every WP:AE request since 2011 it is a tad hard to simply let things slide. That their latest interaction ban breach occurred in such a troll thread on a prominent user talk page, and knowing full well that I had no right to reply with being blocked makes it worse. But what makes it inexcusable is that the interaction ban breach was extremely hostile, and continued along their declared aim of getting me banned/blocked. The editor in question was in 2011 blocked at AE for an interaction ban breach on myself, but another editor lobbied on their behalf saying that they did not know that they breached the interaction ban, and the block was lifted. They have also thrown in my face several times on Commons that I am under a mutual interaction ban with them here on English Misplaced Pages. So there can be no doubt that they knew what they were doing was a wilful breach of the interaction ban. TDA, et al, on it's own the post on JW's talk page may not seem like much (it actually looks bad on its own anyway), but when one looks it is simply a single tile in the larger and long-term pattern of abuse that I have been subjected to by the editor in question, both on and off this project. And as one who has zero tolerance for editorial harassment, I will no longer continue to allow things to slide and allow those engaging in harassment to continue unabated. Enough is enough. Russavia (talk) 20:00, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

To make it clear, this is the interaction ban breach diff in question. One can see that User:Volunteer Marek yet again actively called for my banning/blocking from this project. That I my block was vacated a matter of hours later is of no consequence to the interaction ban breach and the necessity of it needing to be dealt with on this project. Russavia (talk) 20:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Marek seems to have difficulty in keeping discussion collegial when the topic is banned editors. That diff is from today; I have great difficulty in seeing anything in my contribution to that discussion which justified it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:10, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

History repeats itself. Marek is tired of pissants at the picnic, or at most of the picnics in the last months. Find another hobby rather than passive aggressively wasting time. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) (Sorry to T. Canens for hijacking his talk page) Ignoring all of the above, I draw your attention to the fact that the committee does not enforce interaction bans; the community does. If an interaction ban has been breached, then the appropriate enforcement mechanisms should be used. As a corollary, discussing a potential violation of an interaction ban with an arbitrator (or on any page that does not form part of the enforcement venues) is pointless—and likely to distract or disrupt other editors. Please take this to AE. AGK 21:21, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but with linking to this discussion russavia has breached his topic ban and therefore should be re-blocked by the Committee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.211.109.17 (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

AGK, no problem, I'll take it that coming from yourself that this is not something the Committee would be dealing with. I'll take it to AE for them to deal with, and given that I have been under the impression that this is something that Arbcom would be dealing with that they will still act on this. Thanks Russavia (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I have now taken this to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Volunteer_Marek. I really wish I didn't have to do this, but unfortunately it is something that has to be done. Russavia (talk) 22:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Bleeckie

It appears my request regarding the Bleeckie page has gotten moved or deleted? I am not familiar with the layout of Misplaced Pages. Do I need to repost?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Producerarose (talk • contribs) 05:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

My apologies, I meant to get to this earlier and then totally forgot about it :(

It's been automatically archived. Anyway, if you want, I'd be happy to move the deleted article to your userspace for you to work on. Remember that you'll need to show significant coverage in multiple third-party reliable sources for the article to be restored. T. Canens (talk) 07:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

It's late and I'm apparently more tired than I thought. Thanks for catching that. I'll probably be more or less signing off for the day soon, although maybe I should have already done that.Here's some coffee for you, although I think I probably need it more than you do at this point. John Carter (talk) 00:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)