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Wikidata weekly summary #49

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About Kike San Martín

Hi The Banner. I have been looking at the references of Kike San Martín, done some small editions as well. So far, everything written seems to be true (except for the "branding" part, which frankly speaking I don't really understand what the concept is all about, and thence I cannot judge if it is stated in any of the references given). In short: yes, Kike San Martín is famous, and he has photographed lots of stars. Hope this helps! Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 13:24, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, The Banner. Im the user Misty2011. Warmings Greetings from Miami, Florida, USA! I dont have a close connection with its subject. Im working as a journalist for The Miami Herald (spanish version) (newspaper) and after 20 years in the entertainment industry, you know 'everybody', any artist in Miami. Regards, no intention to "advertise" nothing in Misplaced Pages, never! I like to make contributions, articles and specially my photos with high definition. Im sorry if I caused any conflict, but it is not my style. Feel free to correct my article, but let me apollogize if I did something wrong. Thank you so much. --Misty2011 (talk) 14:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #50

• Development
  • Rolled out new code on wikidata.org. The new stuff you probably care about is:
    • Improved references. They can now have multiple lines. This should make references much more useful. You can now have one reference with for example values for each of the properties "book", "author", "page" to describe one source.
    • Fixed the prev/next links in diff view (bugzilla:45821)
    • d:Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel now lets you filter by language and entity type
  • Widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly: added setting to enable/disable it per wiki and made it available for logged-in users only
  • Widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly: improved layout / size
  • Made it so that the “edit links” link on Misplaced Pages is also shown when the corresponding item only has a link to this one language and no other languages
  • Submitted improved Apache config patch to make wikidata.org always redirect to www.wikidata.org, which is awaiting code review and deployment.
  • Improved the script that is responsible for taking Wikidata changes to the Wikipedias
  • Added a few ways to better debug the script responsible for taking Wikidata changes to the Wikipedias. This should help with investigating why some changes take way to long to show up on the Wikipedias.
  • Started work on automatically adding edited items to the user’s watchlist (according to preferences)
  • Finished script for rebuilding search keys, so we can finally get case insensitive matches in a lot of places
  • Support for multi-line references in diff view
  • Selenium tests for inclusion syntax
  • Improved parser function (that will be used to access Wikidata data on the Wikipedias) to accept property ID or label
  • Increased isolation of data model component to increase clarity and visibility of bad dependencies
  • Worked on schema access in the SQLStore (of the query component)
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Michelin stars

You may want to have a look at this: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of three Michelin starred restaurants in the United Kingdom. The user who created the nomination seems to have a secret list of Michelin star related articles he wants to delete which includes yours on the Netherlands and Ireland stars, and also someone is quoting your two star deletion discussion already in the arguments.

Obviously I'm not asking for you to go in and yell keep at the top of your lungs, because if this actually a copyright problem then we might as well fix it before either of us pile anymore work into the subject. But I thought you would want to know before he/she starts to use the arguments from this deletion discussion when they get around to requesting the deletion of your articles too. Miyagawa (talk) 18:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Even after a short look at it, I get a persistent sockpuppet smell in my nose... The Banner talk 18:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

My first guess for sockpuppets were the notorious anti-Michelin editors Pyrope and Jeremy43. But looking at their edits, this dirty trick seems way out of their habit. So I have deemed them unlikely candidates.

His opinion that my templates about Michelin restaurants in the Dutch provinces are copyvio, is quite hilarious. I like him to prove that! I have developed those (and the one about Ireland) completely by myself... The Banner talk 19:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Could you please stop deleting my contributions to the page "Dromoland Castle" and other pages.

I am getting somewhat exasperated of you deleting the information which I add to the page that is "Dromoland Castle", more specifically the section concerning famous guests who have stayed at the castle. Also, just as a note for your awareness, I am not a hotel marketer in any way; I am just a guest who has stayed at these hotels, and I believe that the material on these hotels Misplaced Pages pages are to a degree mediocre and are far from detailed enough. I add new information to these pages to make them more beneficial to the viewer, so that they can learn something interesting about the hotel, I am not trying to approach some kind of marketing strategy, like you have suggested, whatsoever. Of another note is the correctness of your punctuation, it is rather inadequate, my reason for editing the page also because, there is a clear negligence concerning the addition of a comma in between "Juan Carlos I of Spain" and "Nelson Mandela". In the future, I shall be appeased if you abstain from erasing the additional information that I bring to the page.

Many thanks,

B.R.E. Corkhill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.R.E. Corkhill (talk • contribs) 13:23, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Summerized: NO.

To be true, I take your request to "f**k off" as an alarm bell connected to a spam-alert. The Banner talk 15:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I tried to put my point across in an intelligent manner, but however you reply in a polar opposite manner, an immature manner. Sorry, I wasn't aware that you own this site, and that no one else can contribute to Misplaced Pages but yourself. And, you have also shown that you don't just have poor punctuation but also poor vocabulary by using expletives, how refined of you. This is a free country, I can put whatever I want on this site, perhaps yourself would be better off in an un-free country, China for example. Maybe you should consider getting a proper job instead of surveying what people are doing on Misplaced Pages. The comments which I have placed on the "Dromoland Castle" page and other Misplaced Pages pages regarding hotels are based on first-hand and personal experiences of staying at these hotels on multiple occasions, what "experience" are your comments based on? B.R.E. Corkhill (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Instead of throwing in personal attacks, you could also read the comments on your talkpage and comments other people made on your edits. The Banner talk 16:21, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Corkhill - you are not the only person on this web who is been bullied by - The Banner - (he is Dutch and not English!)

- as he has been doing this to a whole list of people who he tries to intimidate - including myself - see below ! He uses the same culture on the Dutch wikipedia web site where they work in groups to attack contributors but now they are also bringing that culture to this web site too !Glemmens1940 (talk) 11:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

your signature

FYI, your signature violates WP:SIG#NT. it would be great if you could make WP:BOTREQ to substitute all transclusions (or just substitute them by hand), and use a standard non-template signature in the future. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Working on it. Only started using in the 23th. The Banner talk 16:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the timely warning. As far as I know all the (luckily few) uses of the template are now reverted and the related pages referred to speedy deletion. It is an unfortunate situation, as on the Dutch WP the signature template is the preferred option over a long signature. I did not notice that it was plain illegal here. The Banner talk 16:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Goodbye

It is clear that you are obliviously working on some sort project to go through my contributions with a fine tooth comb. Get a Life!!!. you should perhaps calm your temper. I wish you no ill feeling but I will say goodbye to you. I do not intend to communicate with you again. others will deal with your disruptive attitude and your form of cyber-bulling.  stavros1  ♣  18:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Laughing out loud! What are you going to do, report me? Bring me to AN/I? Hang me high? Sue me? The Banner talk 19:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC) Long time ago I came across such a funny man at Misplaced Pages! A good laugh is very healthy!

Another person who has been cyber bullied by The Banner ??? 109.157.140.87 (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I've addended my proposal at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Food and drink

I've addended my proposal to include modifying the page tabs at the header. Since you already supported, I need to advise you of this addition. Please review at your convenience, and thanks!

Disambiguation pages

Hello. Since there is no telling when the Toolserver may get back to (what passes for) normal, I've generated User:RussBot/Templates with links to disambiguation pages to give us something to do in the meantime. It is likely that this list contains some false positives, but it is better than nothing. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Yippeee... The Banner talk 18:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #51

• Development
  • The first 11 Wikipedias can now include data from Wikidata in their articles (If you want to see it in action see the infobox at it:Torino)
  • Worked on automatic summaries for statements
  • Worked on making properties accessible from the client using their label so you can use {{#property:executive director}} instead of {{#property:p169}} for example
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  • Should Wikidata have featured items?
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  • We’re currently carefully monitoring performance after the deployment of phase 2 on the first 11 Wikipedias. There seem to be a few small issues. As soon as they are resolved we'll deploy on English Misplaced Pages. All other Wikipedias are planned to follow very soon after that.
  • Bye and a big thank you to Anja, Silke, Jens and John who are leaving the development team at the end of the month and will work on other cool things. You’ll be missed!
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  • In addition to the above we have rolled out a new search box that suggests items. This should also make finding things on Wikidata a lot easier for you.
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Could I have 2 mins of your time? As I’ll be working on some other projects for Wikimedia Germany as well from now on the time I can spend on Wikidata will be reduced. This means I’ll have to figure out what is useful to spend time on. If you’re reading this could you let me know for example on this discussion page? Also if you have ideas how to improve the weekly summaries please post them. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk)

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PIGS

I've replied to your comment. If you feel something needs to be re-added to the article then please do so. I'm just tired of OR and reference fraud on that article. Anything that can be cited is fair game for inclusion - but it needs to be properly citable, not based on some original analysis of use of the term.

FYI, Naumakos is bit of a one-trick-pony. See his contribution history. --RA (talk) 14:44, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Damnation (Ride the Madness)

We have featured articles on albums that have never charted, and there is no policy or guideline saying that only albums which have charted warrant articles. A number of decent sources have been found which cover the album, and it has been reviewed in several print publications. Perhaps you could reconsider? J Milburn (talk) 21:30, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

You have all my sympathies Mr. Milburn ! The Banner does read the references and Links - he goes immediately go into attack. He does not help with the articles he has got it in for deletion. In general his only aime is to destroy articles by nominating them for deletion - that is the culture in the Dutch Misplaced Pages web site where he originates from (he is not English at all although his pseudonym does not indicate that) and now they (they work in groups too!) are infiltrating this web site too ! What they do not realize is that Cyber Bullying is an offence in the U.K. but when I point that out to him - he says that I am threatening him ! He has just nominated my new page Adrianus Johannes Lemmens also for deletion because it is too speculative but he does not point out which part or parts are speculative in his opinion ???? Glemmens1940 (talk) 11:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Cyber Bullying

This person - as you can see from above - might fall in the catagory of Cyber Bullies ?? He does NOT read the references of the new pages but goos immediately like a bulldog into the attack and without mentioning the reason nominates pages like - Adrianus Johannes Lemmens - for deletion. He is one of a group of Dutch Cyber bullies who first tried to bully me on the Dutch Misplaced Pages page and now tries to bring this same culture to the English Misplaced Pages. For instance on the page mentioned above he works with another one - Robotje (talk | contribs)‎ - who also falls into that catagory when you look at his talkbox you can notice the same pattern ? They cowardly hide behind a pseudonyms and even more cowardly work in groups - they inform each other. What he does not realize is that Cyber Bullying is an offence in the U.K.! I think Scotland yard should be informed as Misplaced Pages English speaking page is in danger at present ? He does not seem to read other contributors pages or write his own pages on Misplaced Pages NL or Uk but only is out to criticise other contributors. What kind of person behaves in such a detrimental manner, I wonder ?? Glemmens1940 (talk) 10:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

/me keeps mirror in front of mr. Lemmens. The Banner talk 10:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean with that pigeon English sentence - me keeps mirror in front of mr. Lemmens - I wonder?? /me .. - I think instead should be I - and Mr. Lemmens should be with a capital M!!Glemmens1940 (talk) 10:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

See you at AN/I, Lemmens. The Banner talk 10:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Mr. The Banner should I take that as a threat?? Poor soul or poor soulless ? Glemmens1940 (talk) 11:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

No, just as an announcement. There is a notification on your talk page. BTW: it is not speaking page but talk page. And when you want to insult me, try it with pidgin English instead of your pigeon English. The Banner talk 11:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I have already learned - may be you not yet - that one can not insult soulless people. Glemmens1940 (talk) 11:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Kidz Bop 30 tracks

I HAVE PROOF OF KIDZ BOP 1, 2, 3, 4, AND 5 3O TRACKS. 18 tracks is only for people who buy in stores. and your lying because the 19th track of Kidz Bop 5 isn't real. AND HAVE you even seen the Kidz Bop commercials because they say 30 tracks. I been trying to editing the Wiki Kidz Bop pages for months but "The Banner" tells me I vandalizing and I'm not. I AM THE BIGGEST KIDZ BOP FAN I know everything about them. Go here for the exclusive tracks: Unwell (from KidzBop 5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR0MYYQOL-s Pinch Me (from KidzBop 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTJ_3yN-vNI Who Let The Dogs Out? (from KidzBop 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAFtEw3ip9s We're in Heaven (from KidzBop3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAW7fMm5-LU All I Have (from KidzBop 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1dvJDXdog Mmmbop (from KidzBop 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TomcVZtS154 LaLaLa (from Kidz Bop 5 Cool Songs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLcyGT8WONg NOW That I've shown you proof. CHANGE IT PLEASE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, YouTube is not considered a valid source. The Banner talk 00:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

YEAH BUT IT PROVING THAT THEY EXIST WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TAKE PICTURE OF THE CDs AND SEND THEM TO YOU!!!? Better yet, give me your email address. I'll send you some tracks.

Stop shouting please.

And could you please raed: Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources. Thanks a lot. The Banner talk 00:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry I'm getting mad but I've been trying to prove they exist forever. Bottom line is you know I'm right about these songs. Kidz Bop doesn't advertising them anyone. I guess the reason is because people were buying them in store instead on calling 1-800... or ordering online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

So are you going to change it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

You use the wrong way for that! There are reliable sources for the 18-song CD's. You just have to prove that there were also 12 bonus tracks, that you could get by ordering the CD in an alternative way. So find reliable and independent source that you would get bonus track A, B, C by ordering by Alternative1; bonus track D, E, F by ordering by Alternative2 and so on.

The difficulty is that the sources should not be related to KidZ Bop in any way. So try magazines, newspapers and so on. But the CD's itself are unusable, because it is Original Research. Good luck with your search.

And please, calm down. I am not unwilling. The Banner talk 00:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I JUST SAID I would send you a pictures the CDs because Kidz Bop / Razor & Tie doesn't advertise them. I just want the songs to viewable on the page. Where they come from isn't important, but where the proof of Kidz Bop 5's Track 19 that song doesn't exist. ALSO why do I have to have prove this to you? Misplaced Pages have never been a 100% reliable source?

But anyway if you just leave the songs viewable on the page I'll be happy. THANK YOU Sorry if I seem angry.

As long as they are reliably sourced. Unsourced content will be removed from all four articles. The Banner talk 01:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

And please be aware of Misplaced Pages:Edit warring and Burden of evidence. The Banner talk 01:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Kidz Bop 1 & 2 has 30 tracks too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

No, my friend. The original CD has 18 songs, as is verified by reliable sources. The other 12 are bonus tracks and by now they are still all unsourced The Banner talk 13:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok just because most people don't have the exclusives track doens't mean it's false information. Do you even have these Kidz Bop CDs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

You just have to give proper reliable and independent sources for those bonus tracks. The Banner talk 13:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

THIS is reliable information. Amazon & YouTube they are reliable it's obvious that it's not FAKE. You just want the info to be false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

YouTube is not reliable. I will take a look at the Amazon stuff. The Banner talk 19:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If GermanDude100 will provide the required links, I am inclined on accepting Amazon as a "primary" reliable source about the alternative extended versions of these compilations and their tracklists. Its use in such circumstances appears allowed by our policy as it is not used to analyze a fact nor to measure the notability of a topic but just to document something there referred as "descriptive statements of facts". What we should avoid, instead, is writing things such This album had 30 tracks available online, and 18 available in stores with 2 exclusive songs. These unsourced claims about selling arrangement need a strong reliable verification, otherwise they are clearly original research (and speculation too). That said, as currently (if I have not missed anything) we have a big nothing in terms of coverage, GermanDude100 should provide the available sources about these 30 tracks (that could even be Amazon, the website of the label, something to start...) before going ahead with these claims. And some random YouTube videos surely are not acceptable to document a tracklist. Cavarrone (talk) 21:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

HOW is YouTube not reliable source? It's obvious the videos are not FAKE. But I don't believe the Kidz Bop 5 "Something Moore" is real. Amazon won't let you buy it. HOW ABOUT IF I uploaded a 0:30 sample of each track. Would you FINALLY leave the page alone!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

AFTER searching I FINALLY found a source. Turns out musicspacekids is advertising them again. Kidz Bop 5: http://shop.kidzbop.com/product.aspx?productid=46&categoryid=0&productcode=MS1153

Also if go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_songs_on_Kidz_Bop_albums the complete lists Kidz Bop songs on Misplaced Pages the exclusives are listed. They have been for years AND WITH NO reference. Good thing I remember so now what do you gotta say?!!

• First, you should add the source directly in the article. Secondly, KidzBop.com is a good primary source, but the website only documents the tracklist for Kidz Bop 5 and nothing about other compilations: the related pages about vol.1 and vol. 4 show the usual 18-songs-tracklist and make no mention of the claimed longer versions. For now I have reverted your additions about these volumes until a valid source will be provided. Cavarrone (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• All articles of the Kidz Bop series are sourced for the 18-song CD. Just take a look at them. Each and everyone has a valid, independent, reliable source. So stop whining. You have added a valid source at Kidz Bop 2 and that source is still there (although I had to restructure the article). The Banner talk 09:17, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Mmmm, I'm more than concerned with this outcome... it seems the whole thing was resolved offline and that the only restriction was to not open AfDs for a week. And, ironically, he now is proposing himself as a mediator for solving a dispute involving you. Funny how he's gaming the sistem! I was sure you had to do with him again, but not so fast! Cavarrone (talk) 03:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Simple math equals "original research" ?

Hello ! I'm just attemting to ask someone with high Wikipedian knowlidge concidering a principal matter. There's no perticular reason that I'm asking You. Guess I liked Your picture against push-POV. Question - if a valid, undisputed source states for instance that in 1930 one US-Dollar was equal to two of an "other currency". Do You then concider that stating that the "other currency" equaled 50 US-cents in 1930, as original research ? Or if a valid, undisputed source states the number of inhabitants of a certain country, and the size of that country in km2 - and someone then figures out the population density of the country in question, do You concider that as "original research" ? Personly I think that if just one simple math operation is needed , say to complete a table - or whatever it may be, then it cannot be concidered as "original research". However I'm still asking for advice, the line between references and original research is perhaps more difficult to establish than I think. If You knowthe answers or can direct me in the right way, I'll be thankful. Best reguards Boeing720 (talk) 03:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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