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Volunteering

Sure; please drop me an email at mindspillage@gmail.com with your name and preferred email address and I'll send you more information from there. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Please e-mail me ...

... that way I can tell you about my clever plan by which I will mirror the contents of all Scientology sites everywhere onto my hard drive and then since I am an unreliable source all Scientology sites will also be unreliable and I will succeed in my entheta desire to stop those who know the subject that is Dianetics from communicating the subject that is Dianetics just as I did in my umpty-billionth-previous incarnation on the planet Arse-LiArslycus NYAR HAR HAR so anyways drop me a line. -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't

ChrisO removes information from my user page: ChrisO removes information from my discussion page: . Don't. Terryeo 17:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

"Information" which happened to consist of threats against yourself from an anonymous user, whom I've banned indefinitely. You should be thanking me... -- ChrisO 18:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:ScientologySeries

nuview (talk · contribs) is on a crusade to remove large chunks of the template Template:ScientologySeries without consensus. I've partially reverted his removal of the "Celebrities" section (restored it as merely a link to the Scientology and celebrities page) and completely reverted his gutting of the "doctrine" section. This is over the last few days. Does any further action need to be taken? I'm nowhere near WP:3RR, but I hate using reverts to control editing. Thanks. --Davidstrauss 19:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Chris and other Misplaced Pages users and administrators, for having rewritten the article about OITC. It is indeed a fine job, and we have noticed there was research involved (some of the links did not appeared in the original article.) It is indeed much appreciated. 24.215.205.169 & everyone in our team of concerned citizens are grateful. --149.31.12.131

My first revert war!

I guess it's an embarassing thing that was bound to happen eventually. Anyway, 71.228.89.212 (talk · contribs) removed the second paragraph from Aidan Delgado. I reverted. He did it again. I reverted again. Now, user Kaiser187 (talk · contribs) has mysteriously come to the game to remove the very same paragraph. Considering that Kaiser187's only edit is to this article, I'm assuming it's the same guy, just with a fresh new username. The paragraph raises two important issues: the objections Delgado brought up and the story's lack of corroboration. I think it needs to be in the article, and I see Kaiser187's edits as vandalism. Thanks. --Davidstrauss 23:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Sorry, I forgot to mention why I posted here. Could you temporarily protect the page from anonymous and new user edits? If I should take this request somewhere else, please inform me. Thanks. --Davidstrauss 06:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems to have quietened down a bit, so I'll hold off on protecting it; but I'll do so if the revert war resumes. -- ChrisO 06:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Move problem

Hi a user move all info from Turkish_Premier_Super_League to Turkcell Super League destroyin all edit history. As you can see Turkcell Super League was empty before he created it. Can you fix this. Cheers --Ugur Basak 08:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ChrisO. --Ugur Basak 08:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Terryeo

This case is closed. Details of the final decision are published at the link above.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 17:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Would the content of this page be considered a personal attack? User:Terryeo/subpage1

--Fahrenheit451 21:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

IMHO, even as Terryeo fails to assume good faith, his criticisms are not personal attacks, inasmuch as, though they tangentially impugn the editors about whom they are directed, they are primarily with respect to actions and Wiki-philosophies, as against with respect to belief. Were Terryeo to write ChrisO is a horrible person and a rude jerk, he'd surely be attacking ChrisO; here, though, to the extent that there's vituperation, it seems to be directed at how the editors whom he names edit and how there is, in his perception, an anti-Scientology culture here. Even as I surely don't apprehend the existence of such a culture, and even as I think Terryeo to be a tendetious (perhaps avolitionally) editor, I don't think a block pursuant to the RfAr should be sought here. We don't need to kick him whilst he's down, and, in any case, his page isn't disruptive; if he begins spamming talk pages with links to it, then surely something should be done. Just my thoughts, having happened upon this discussion after finding Terryeo's subpage; I hope you won't mind my insinuating myself into the discussion. Joe 04:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I for one don't mind at all and find your comments to be an accurate statement of my intent of creating them. Terryeo 16:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris

Can I use a modified picture of your Whitehall sketch map.png

for an article that I've been working on? V for Vendetta (film).

--P-Chan 16:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Oopps. I just read your disclaimer. Nice pic, thanks Chris!--P-Chan 16:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ten Day War

Hi, I am Mickk, registered user, and have recently found out about wikipedia. However I came across article "Ten Day War", which I found to be a real distortion and twisting of facts, as well as an exagaration of what really happened in Slovenia. The page has been edit protected now, so I would like to know the reasons for this. I have many more facts and sources that were going to be added shortly and help us all in clearing up the facts in regard to this conflict.

Thanks

It doesn't seem to be protected anymore, but if you encounter this problem again, add your comments to the talk page. --Davidstrauss 09:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Narconon reversions

ChrisO, here is what the Merriam-Webster online dictionary says: Main Entry: ver·i·fy Pronunciation: 'ver-&-"fI Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): -fied; -fy·ing Etymology: Middle English verifien, from Middle French verifier, from Medieval Latin verificare, from Latin verus true 1 : to confirm or substantiate in law by oath 2 : to establish the truth, accuracy, or reality of synonym see CONFIRM - ver·i·fi·er /-"fI(-&)r/ noun

The Narconon program has nine steps, not two. See the official Narconon website to "confirm or substantiate" or "to establish the truth, accuracy, or reality of" this statement.

That being said, I am contacting you directly in accordance with Misplaced Pages dispute policy to see what objection you have to including all nine steps. dcottle561

Since I placed this comment on your page a few days ago and you have not replied, I will now make the correction I discussed to the Narconon article. If I have misinterpreted your silence, then we can use Misplaced Pages dispute resolution. dcottle561

Minefields in Croatia article

Thanks for an excellent work on the Minefields in Croatia article. It is very well written. EurowikiJ 23:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, it looked like the article needed a bit of help! -- ChrisO 17:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I see you reinserted the sentence that was not made, after you acknowledged it on my talk page. Is it a mistake, or did you do it on purpose, and if so, why? An inpartial user can help a lot in disputes between Serbian and Croatian users, but for that we need an inpartial user in the first place. I hope it was a honest mistake on your part, not a proof of bad faith and bias. Serpen 00:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Help

Hi ChrisO, I noticed you are an admin. Perhaps you could help with a POV-pusher over on the Adjara article. He continues to vandalize the page, removing the Adjarian flag and adding a nonsense to the article. I've done a lot to improve this article and I'm inclined to elevate it a good article status. Thanks in advance, Kober 14:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked him for 24 hours for violating the 3 revert rule. I'll keep an eye on the article to see what he does when he gets back. -- ChrisO 21:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree

Thanks for removing the tag. Yes, you are right. I checked my watchlist and thought the tag was getting 'lost' during the recent edit warring. Regards, Asterion 19:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, can you keep an eye on the article and User:Ferick, as he insists on removing valid external links, with the collateral consequence of fuelling a possible edit war with c-c-c-c and borismalagurski, as it certainly looks like a whitewash. I have tried to get both parties to agree but this does not seem very feasible given the attitude shown. I do not want to place a Request for Comments unless there is a clear consensus on the need for it. Thanks, Asterion 21:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Great that you are taking the time to help in bringing neutrality to the users in Balkans related articles. You should know better, but blocking users preemptively might not be useful, but sometimes is necessary. Hope you'll continue your efforts there. ilir_pz 22:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm just rapping them over the knuckles to get their attention. :-) Please be aware, though, that I'm aggressively neutral (is that a contradiction?) towards everyone - so don't think that I'll favour one side over the other! Edit wars are bad, whoever does starts them, so please try to stay out of them. Let me know if you see one developing and I'll do what I can to sort it out. -- ChrisO 22:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I try to be neutral as well, sometimes I go as far as not accepting sources cooked by any of the sides in the conflict but attempt to use neutral ones. Not expecting you to favour anyone. You would not be an administrator if you were doing tht. I will let you know should there be any indication of edit wars taking place. ilir_pz 22:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Care to look at the edits by this and user? I think they are the same, and a fast search shows that hte user with that IP is from Richmond, BC, CA. Am I supposed to revert the edits of this suspected sockpuppet of someone else? ilir_pz 23:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Mir Harven vandalism and insults

Hi, I see you banned Bormalgurski for POV. Could you look at personal insults of Mir_Harven (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who keeps insulting serbs all time. He has warned several time and was banned for insults, but keeps insulting and removes references. Do you consider that also justifies to ban ? --Marija

Hmmm...interesting. Is this the case of "de te fabula narratur" ? Mir Harven 09:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll keep an eye on it. Having come across some of Mir Harven's edits in the past, I agree that he seems to be doing a fair amount of POV-pushing - I've already cleaned some of it up. -- ChrisO 17:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

POV-pushing? If you mean in topics about Croatia, Croats, Serbian aggression on Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina... I disagree. Only thing he was doing was correcting the misinterpretation. On the other hand, you should ask yourselves are you POV-ing by removing his edits. Kubura 07:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Insults? He may be sarcastic, maybe he used irony in his messages, but to say "he insults" is a heavy accusation. Among Croatian contributors, he's not being known as "trash talker" (otherwise, he'd have already been permanently blocked in Croatian wikipedia). So, please, tell us some examples... and where it happened, so we can know what brought him to that language. If you show us good example, we'll talk with him, to improve things. But understand him, war wounds are still fresh here, although the war has ended 11 years before. People haven't forgot, many will never forgive. It's not easy for many people to stay calm, after certain things being written. Kubura 07:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

User Ferick

Hey, you blocked me recently, anyways, I mentioned that it would be a good idea to look at User: Ferick because he constantly deletes stuff on Kosovo related articles, even when referenced by reputable sources (Reuters, New York Times, etc.) You have warned him on this before, but he still continues. He claims I am putting up Serb propaganda at Kosovo Liberation Army, but he continuingly denies the crimes of the KLA. The KLA is responsible for many things in the Balkans, ((majority of drug business, human trafficking, buying of weapons, murders, rapes, and all of this can be found at reputable sources). However the edit I made only states "It played an important part in the Kosovo War of 1999, committing atrocities against the minority population of Kosovo, this being mainly the Serbs." This is about as pleasant a sentence you could make, and if I was accused of POV pushing then I could add all the above mentioned things but haven't. Please let the truth come out. Thanks. C-c-c-c

User Ferick has now violated the 3RR, please take swift action. C-c-c-c 20:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

If you're referring to the edits on Kosovo Liberation Army, he's just under the threshold (more than 3 reverts in 24 hours). I've left a warning on his talk page. Thanks for letting me know. As for the intro para, I've reworded it to make it more neutral but retaining your point (which I think is an important one that needs to be mentioned, but in a more neutral way). -- ChrisO 20:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, thanks! C-c-c-c 21:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

A sign?

I would encourage you to observe the time C-c-c-c, Bormalagurski and Krytan are active, and the documents they are active in (i.e. revert). Furthermore they are from the same country, and a recent investigation by an admin revealed significant similarities between the first two. This could be another indication that these alleged users could be actually one user. The abovementioned users are being involved in rever wars, and are disrespectful of Misplaced Pages rules, something they proved in the near past. Additionally, they have been blocked several times, sometimes even offending administrators that carried out that action. Furthermore, some of the "users" are recruiting meatpuppets to wage their revert war. Taking any action would be appreciated, for the sake of stopping revert-warriors and users that are sworn to work against Misplaced Pages. Best regards, ilir_pz 23:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

stop wiki-stalking me, cccccccc.ilir_pz 09:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I guess this is how they prosecute people in Albania. Little evidence, loads of lies, and always a nationalist around somewhere. C-c-c-c 05:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Get a life Ilir, nobody cares enough to stalk you, and if you look above, I commentd before you ever did on this page, and I was awaiting a reply on Ferick. Go to hell Shipqtar. C-c-c-c 12:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Funny also how Ferick admits to ChrisO that he is willing to break Misplaced Pages rules just to get the Albanian nationalist POV across. The only similarities it revealed was that the IP I use, is in no way connected to Bormalagurski...quoting Essjay, "There does appear to be a non-involved editor (roommate?) utilizing the same IP as C-c-c-c, however that individual is not Bormalagurski.. This "non-involved editor", is actuallly, non-involved editors, are other people who share the same IP as me. For example, user milkman1042 shares my IP, and I don't know him. The numerous times I have been blocked is for being falsely accused of vandalism. Ilir_pz was recently blocked for violating the 3RR, on Kosovo related articles. I also hope you take a close look at all these Albanians out of Kosovo, many people are suspicious of them, and believe one or two people may be responsible for all the accounts.

Funny, between me, Krytan, and Bormalagurski, we speak 7 languages. Tough mandate even for Serbs. And obviously Boris is a real person, (look at his website by that name, where he's won awards in Film Festivals). Fortunately I'm not "famous", but you know, and I'm not sure I can speak for Kyrtan here. But anyways, try proving we're the same person. Good luck.:)))) C-c-c-c 05:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

ChrisO, some time ago you asked me to report to you if I notice any revert warrior that vandalizes articles. I encourage you to look at several edits from User:C-c-c-c, and you can notice that this user reverts legitimate edits, backed with sources, by leaving comments of the sort "nazi" "rv crap" etc. Please take some action against this sworn vandal. Regards, ilir_pz 21:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Shut up Ilir. And stop wiki stalking me. Sworn vandal? No, that would be Ferick, who admitted that he'd do anything to disrupt Misplaced Pages, crazy Albanians. ChrisO, take a peak at Kosovo Liberation Army, and look at Ferick and please see to it that you end his minimization of the roles Albanian KLA thugs played, even when found guilty by courts. Thanks C-c-c-c 21:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppeting in Kosovo, the biggest threat since the KLA

For anyone unfamiliar where and what Canada is, it's the second largest country in the world, and we lie right above our great neighbours, the Americans....:(

User Bormalagurski lives in Vancouver. I, user C-c-c-c live in Winnipeg, and user Krytan lives in Brampton (greater Toronto area, and too small to show up on map covering this vast an area). And accused of sockpuppeting we are, funny, isn't it, that that god forsaken land called Kosovo is about size of...Connecticut? Funny, they have eleven users from a tiny, tiny area, one of the poorest in all of Europe. And odd, not just how these users come from the same area. There are only seven cities that have a population between 20,000-100,000 in Kosovo. Anything less than that in this area of the world, and we can positively assume that they most likely don't have running water, yet alone a computer with an Internet connection. So now we have Hevnonen, Hene, Pjetër Bogdani, Ejte, Sintonak.X, Dardanv, Beharprishtina, Hipi Zhdripi, Mig11, Petrit Augustini, and of course who can forget, Ilir_pz, all out of Kosovo.

Admittely, Sintonak.X and Beharprishtina, are not "in" Kosovo, they are in the United States and Switzerland, but then again I can't be blamed for them being incompetent and put themselves in that category. Anyways, so Priština, population estimated at 500,000, has, not one, not two, not three, but a total of four members on Misplaced Pages(notice how there's no Serbs). Amazing isn't it? So Vancouver, with a population of 2.1 million, basically that of Kosovo, can't have more than one person editing on article without it being suspected that the user is a sockpuppet. Also, Prizren, where Ilir_pz lives, is a mere 61 km from Priština, very close indeed for collaborating with his bretheren.

Winnipeg, has a population of over 700,000, and Brampton has one of 435,000. But since it's counted as being in the Greater Toronto Area, that would make the population 5.2 million. So three users out of a population of nearly 30 million in a first world country, spanning 3360km are accused of being sockpuppets. But then, four users of the same city in Kosovo, that may have one PC per every 1000 homes, are collaborating without incident. Plus another user, within driving distance of the others(or most likely, one other user). The rest of the users don't mention specific locations, but let's assume Priština because that seems to be popular these days, and we could also assume that based on Hipi Zhdripi, Hevnonen, Ejte, abilities of not being able to communicate in English, and having simliar grammar errors that they are the one and the same user. User Hipi Zhdripi is a known sockpuppet ( take a look at User: Zhdripi_Hipi and others). Both Hipi Zhdripi and Ejte can barely communicate in German and English and both have attempted to do so in my talk page. Similar incompetent spelling in two languages by two users in the same area with the same motives?

Unless all Albanians besides Ilir_pz are amazingly incompetent at speaking English, I can't find this random at all but done in a pre-mediated, and collaborated style and may "possibly" involve a larger group, such as the KLA, or even the government of Kosovo, who knows:P. But whoever it is, it's pathetic indeed.

Proof that Kosovo is part of Serbia, even Microsoft says so.:)))) C-c-c-c 19:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe a word of it. --Telex 00:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Noone expected you to believe it, neither do I expect the nationalist user by the name of ChrisO to believe it. But, the bottom line is: A bunch of users from Kosovo are accusing me and two more people who live in 3 different cities arround Canada, of being sockpuppets (not known who is the puppeteer) while there are a bunch of EXTREMELY similar users from tiny Kosovo, and noone dares to suspect anything. ChrisO, whatever you do in this life will haunt you in the next one, I advise that you listen to your heart, instead of Big Brother on TV. -- serbiana - talk 01:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

If evidence exists, make a WP:RCU. -- Telex 01:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Boris vandalised montenegrin language templates

Hi,

Seams like Boris Malagurski and his friends vandalised template:user cg and other similar templates related to Monrtenegrin language. You can find it all here.

Should the changes be reverted?

Regards, Ante Perkovic 12:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Blank reverting of article Tourism in Croatia

Hi. I see you have done a good work on finding a compromise version of the article Minefields in Croatia. COuld you please help on the article Tourism in Croatia. Some croatian users keep reverting and they do not discuss it on the talk page, which they left once they had no arguments. In any case, I feel a third party might be helpful. Thanks. Mostssa 14:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Borovo Selo

Thanks for having a go at the article and your bold edits. If you still have stength and will, I would appreciate if you could have a look at Ante Starcevic, another article I have tried to mediate on and requested comments. Regards, Asterion 19:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Chris, you went too far in protecting the Croats. Why are you doing this? This is an encyclopaedia, not a place you can excercise ethnic hate. I know you hate me because I'm a Serb, but one day, you'll get yours, and will be blocked for extremist nationalism on Misplaced Pages. May God have mercy on your soul. -- serbiana - talk 00:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)