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Regarding Swimsuit Burqini

Just received your message, Could not reply because I wasn't a member.

Your message was " Hello, I'm Beyond My Ken. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Swimsuit because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Misplaced Pages as a "soapbox" are against Misplaced Pages policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:28, 11 April 2013 (UTC)"

We tried to edit the picture of the burqini as this was a fake copy of the Ahiida Swimwear , Aheda Zanetti Ahiida®, Burqini®, Burkini®, Hijood® are registered Designs and registered Trade Marks properties of Ahiida Pty Ltd therefore can we have this image removed and replaced of the correct swimwear Not sure how to add an image but if u can add a picture but if u can change it to the 4 ladies running , which can be viewed on www.ahiida.com

Awaiting for your reply — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahiida Burqini Swimwear (talk • contribs) 03:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not really understanding what you're asking for here, or what "a fake copy of the Ahiida Swimwear" means. The image you're referring to, File:Burqini.jpg was originally posted on Flickr by Giorgio Montersino at this location with a CreativeCommons license which was compatible with our policies, so it was ported over to Wikimedia Commons at this location. If you are saying that Giorgio Montersino is not the copyright holder of the image, then you need to take that up on Wikimedia Commons. Present evidence that you own the picture to the Common OTRS teams, who you can reach at this noticeboard. (The Commons is a sister project, not part of English Misplaced Pages, but under the aegis of the Wikimedia Foundation, just as we are.)

If you are saying that you own the rights to the trademark "Burqini", you will have to present that evidence to OTRS as well, but I'm not certain that they will be able to help you, as we routinely use trademarks to describe various things. (There is no legal prohibition against the non-commercial use of a trademark.) If you are saying that the image is of a Burqini-type garment, but not yours, then I think it's possible that we can change the description in some way to avoid identifying it as your garment. If you are saying that the article of clothing is a real Burqini (that is, made by you), but the picture is not yours, there's nothing that can be done about that, as there is no legal bar against taking pictures of items of clothing. I do not think you will prevail in that request - you cannot control what image we use.

In any event, there's no particular need for me to be involved in this. I hold no position of authority or responsibility on Misplaced Pages or the Commons, I'm just a common volunteer editor, like thousands of others. You really should take your inquiry to the OTRS people at the Commons, where the image is located, and start things from there. Best of luck. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, we don't allow usernames which are company names, nor do we allow promotional editing or editing with a conflict of interest. Please keep these in mind for the future. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

To the best of my understanding, this user is representing the company that makes the product described in Burqini, and is claiming that the picture in that article does not depict one of the products his company makes. If this is true, then the image probably should be replaced with a more accurate one, just as we wouldn't want to have a picture of an AMC Gremlin in the article Ford Pinto. Ahiida Burqini Swimwear: like BeyondMyKen said, we don't allow companies to operate accounts on wikipedia. If this account is used only by a specific person at your company, you should rename it something like Aheda Zanetti Of Burqini Swimwear to make it clear exactly who you are. -- LWG 14:36, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

In light of your correction spree on ANI...

Thought I'd drop this off. ;) Best, m.o.p 06:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

And I thought I'd drop this off. :/. With the best intentions in mind. ·Add§hore· 10:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

M.o.p., thanks. I haven't taken a close look at it yet, but I will. Addshore, I'm sure you come here with the best of intentions, but - what was it someone said about the road to hell? In any case, take a hike, please. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Wheel warring

Just so you know, it is never wheel warring when an admin reverses another admin because of a clear consensus at a discussion in a proper forum. That is the proper way to reverse an admin, and all our actions are always subject to reversal by consensus. Technically, when I use the admin bit, I'm supposed to be doing exactly what the community would vote to do if it were brought to a discussion. That is where judgement is important for admin, we are supposed to be able to guess what a consensus would be, and do only that. Spartaz already closed and reblocked, which is exactly what should have happened, since he is completely uninvolved. It would have been improper for me to close and/or reblock because I've had several email contacts with CC, and I've taken Nijonjoe's actions to Arb before (it wasn't personal, I actually like the guy even if I disagree with him). In situations like this, we always want a closing admin to be miles away from "involved", as to not create any new controversy. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Dennis: Thanks for the explanation, it is appreciated. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments at ANI

But your comments were not based on fact, where they? Where is the SPI that backs up your belief? You saw an IP making their first edits at ANI, jumped to the conclusion they must have an account they were not editing from (for whatever reason). Where was your AGF? Where were your facts? GiantSnowman 11:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh come off it, GS, you've been around long enough to know that many, many banned, blocked or discredited editors use IPs to get their rocks off editing Misplaced Pages, and you should further know that when a brand-new IP wanders into an AN ot AN/I discussion it's almost always a case of sockpuppery. Not every edit is equally worthy of AGF, nor is every editor. And speaking of AGF, I'd like to assume a little more basic intelligence from you than you are exhibiting just now. As I said on the 50dot editor's page, keeping sn open mind is a fine thing, but not so open that your brains fall out. Dig? Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• • And it was not my conclusion that "that the IP has been editing from IPs for years" - I merely asked how you knew they hadn't been. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Where's the proof they have been? Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
      • Ken - yes, of course, I'll admit that almost every time I see an IP posting at ANI my ears prick up, and questions get asked; but I assume AGF until evidence points otherwise. Gut feeling (even if it is 99% right) is not cold, hard evidence. PS you have been here long enough to know that asking for proof someone is not socking is not how we go about things here. GiantSnowman 11:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
        • (ec) @BsZ: Um, what is your quote from? Because, sure as hell it wasn't from me.

          In any case, the only facts I, or anyone else has, is this list of contributions. Take that, fold in as much AGF as your Cuisinart will hold, and what you've got is this list of contributions. To reach any further conclusions you have to lift your head out of the AGF sinkhole, and actually evlauate the edits, because other evidence ain't gonna be forthcoming. Now you can certainly sit back and play Candide and take everything at face value, but in that case remind me not to engage you as my advisor in negotiating with with North Korea. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

          • @GS: Don't ignore that pricking up of your ears, that's called experience, and it's worth as much as (if not more) as the wyou would receive. Beyond My Ken (talk) 12:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
          • (edit conflict) Was this not you? - "BSZ's, that the IP has been editing from IPs for years is barely creditable". I'm simply saying that there are proper ways to express your suspicion that someone is socking, and unilaterally demanding that they identify to you and removing their comments when they do not is not the way to do it. Anyway, you do seem to be inordinately attracted to getting involved in pointless arguments and dishing out petty insults - I'm not playing any more, so I bid you goodbye -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Ken, I don't ignore it, simply place it to one side - on Misplaced Pages it's called AGF, in real life it might be called "innocent until proven guilty." GiantSnowman 12:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• I have to agree with GS and Boing! here. Very often, I will see someone that I am sure is a sock, and I will either quietly research them, or report them to SPI, but I won't make a claim unless I have filed at SPI. It isn't a matter of your conclusions being right or wrong, it is a question of your methods. Just as we would tell anyone else, don't make a claim if you haven't stuck your neck out on an SPI report. Otherwise, it tends to cause drama. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:45, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, folks, I do appreciate it, since you're all respected Wikiipedians (and Dennis is perhaps the AGF-iest editor I've run across in my almost 8 years here). I won't defend my comments, because I don't believe they need defending, since I think they lie well within the normal range of accepted and usual WP behavior. I'll simply remark that it is my belief that sockpuppetry -- even more than vandalism and editor retention -- is one of the primary problems weighing down the project today, and remind everyone that AGF is not a suicide pact.

Like "innocent until proven guity", AGF is a conceit which -- outside of official actions and procedures, where it remains in effect until proper processes have been carried to their fruition -- only lasts until there is some evidence which casts doubt on it. That evidence can be as simple as the "prickling of the ears" mentioned above when looking at a "brand-new" editor's history. I do think that AGF is essential to the smooth running of the project, but I do not think that ignoring facts -- even undeveloped and nascent facts -- on the basis that AGF must reign supreme is a good thing. Nor do I see that legitimate suspicions must be quelled until such time that there is sufficient evidence to open an SPI -- we all know well what happens to SPIs that are not well supported, and all sorts of bad things can happen in the interim between the first drop of evidence and the accumulation of enough to file a case. As someone who has, in the past, been harassed by a sockfarm (and may be currently as well), I understand in my gut the danger of not speaking out when the occasion first arises.

(Damn, I guess I did defend my comments anyway, at least in a general way.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

(BTW, Dennis, I mean "the AGF-iest" as a compliment.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:18, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Off-Broadway

Off-Broadway League. Also scanning here.

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Merger/move proposal

I have proposed a "merger/move request" between List of U.S. state partition proposals and List of proposed states of the United States, because I feel there is considerable overlap. If you are interested participating in the discussion, please feel free to do so here. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 22:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Your photo of detail at Nat. Arts Club studio building

Greetings, BMK (I knew "Ken" meant knowledge because I grew up in the UK).

My co-author, Dennis Berry, & I would appreciate the use of your photo of the detail over the door of the National Arts Club studio building. The Kindle edition of our mystery book, Eye Sleuth (think Miss Marple on steroids) will have various pictures. Yours of the detail would be great for Ch. 29 (the photos will be in an appendix at the back of the book). I enjoyed looking over your other photos. I lived in NYCity for many years & recognized many of your photos. If you're interested, you could check our site, www.murderprose. Thanks again for offering use free of copyright - we will, of course, give correct attribution.

Sincerely,

Hazel Dawkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summerday22 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Please be my guest. If the resolution isn't sufficient for you, I can take another easily, since it's in my neighorhood. (Next week, though, I'm out of town for a while.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

You are an example of the type of editor this place can do without

I expect to be blocked but after the shenanigans you pulled at ANI reverting my comment and since no one is going to do anything I am. Because I do not feel that the canned statements in WP or twinkle carry the same passion I wish to convey I wanted to take the time to write you this personal message. You Beyond My Ken are the type of editor that Misplaced Pages does not need. You are abusive, rude, childish and disrespectful to other editors. You are the exact kind of user that I try every day to rid this place of so that editing will be a happier place for those that are left. In my years here I have met a lot of great people and made a lot of good friends; you are neither and just being around you makes me feel like less of an editor and a person. I sincerely hope that you soon tire of being a Wikipedian and leave this place. Misplaced Pages and the editors and admins here will be the better for it. Kumioko (talk) 00:44, 23 April 2013 (UTC)