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Piotrus

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Nomination

Piotrus (talk · contribs) – Piotrus joined Misplaced Pages in April 2004. He is an important content contributor who has made more than 148,000 edits and helped to write more than 20 featured articles, more than 50 good articles, and more than 500 DYK articles. Piotrus became an administrator in January 2005.

My first experiences with Piotrus, I'm sorry to say, were unpleasant. In early 2008, he and I found ourselves on opposite sides of a series of edit conflicts on several articles concerning Polish-Jewish history. I think we both assumed the worst about one other, and our behavior reflected those feelings. Nevertheless, Piotrus and I managed to get past our initial mutual distrust and develop a Wiki-friendship.

During 2009, Piotrus participated in the "Eastern European mailing list", for which he was site-banned for three months and topic-banned for an additional period. In the course of that ArbCom case, Piotrus was accused of abusing the tools in one instance. (He semi-protected an article based on a mailing list request. Two weeks later, User:Will Beback fully protected the article, thereby confirming the existence of a problem. See the protection log for all the details, including the subsequent extensions of page protection.) Piotrus voluntarily gave up the bit.

During his ban, Piotrus—using other editors as proxies with the permission of ArbCom—rewrote Lech Wałęsa and brought it to GA status.

Throughout his Wiki-career, Piotrus has been a tireless contributor to WikiProject Poland. He monitors newly created articles related to Poland and, where appropriate, cleans them up or adds applicable clean-up tags (including nominating them for deletion when necessary), nominates them for DYK, and invites their creators to join the WikiProject.

Piotrus is also an Ambassador and was a member of the (now-defunct) Ambassador Steering Committee. Students in his classes have written more than ten good articles.

In my opinion, Piotrus has demonstrated that he once again deserves the community's trust with the mop and broom. His behavior for the past three years has been uncontroversial, and that period represents as long a period of quality editing as many new administrators have. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 01:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your trust. I accept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: Currently, I have my sight on the 170,000 file backlog at Category:Move to Commons Priority Candidates. I have taken part in a related project on Polish Misplaced Pages that resulted in all freely licensed images there migrated to Commons a while back, and I want to help with this on en wiki, too (and yes, I know not everything can be copied). While non-admins can tag and copy pictures (which I do on occasion), they cannot clean up after themselves (by deleting the local remaining original), and personally I just don't like to leave the job unfinished, forcing another admin to clean up after me. In case you are wondering, I consider myself relatively familiar with copyright issues ([I wrote a guide to Polish copyright on Commons).

Similarly, every few days I will run into issues such as pages in need of admin help after a botched up move, pages in need of history merge, and such, which currently I can just report, even through I know how to fix them. I may also help with some other backlogs (speedy deletion and such); just like with article writings, I like to wander from area to area and fix some things. I probably will not be overly active in AN, or such. I learned that focusing on improving this project, rather than talking about how to do it, is more interesting and less stressful :)

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: I am in the Top 100 Most Active Wikipedians; I write a lot of content (dozens of FAs, GAs, hundreds of DYKs); I supervise several WikiProjects (Poland, Sociology), I am one of the Misplaced Pages:Ambassadors, I was on the Ambassador Steering Committee, I contribute to Signpost's monthly Wikimedia Research Newsletter, I research and public academic papers about Misplaced Pages, and I teach with Misplaced Pages. There's more, but let's just say that I am a Wikipedioholic with many hats, ok?

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Well, the elephant in the room is that back in late 2009 I was stressed enough to make some rather significant errors in my judgement, such as violating Misplaced Pages:Canvassing, which led to an arbitration case where I resigned my adminship and received a 3 months ban, followed by several months of other restrictions. Yet as soon as the case started, I recognized my errors and ceased any controversial activities. This was recognized by the ArbCom, as majority of the remedies concerning my person were modified to be less restrictive or lifted early, with the last restrictions lifted two years ago (February 2011). Since the case ended, now more then three years ago, I am proud to say, I was not involved in any wikidramu: you will not find my name as a party in any ArbCom case since, nor was there any need to discuss my behavior on other foras (AE, ANI, etc.). I would like to think that my actions since then speak for themselves, and are those of a constructive editor who has learned how to avoid mistakes of the past. I have learned how stressful wiki can be, and how to handle stress and conflict; I would like to think that my experience in this aspect is a valuable asset to the project: I have seen both sides of the proverbial fence already and I can empathize and understand other editors a lot better thanks to that. A lot of what I've learned I've put into a series of mini-wikiessays, which you are welcome to read; they include my thoughts on issues such as conflict resolutions, admin elections, when to block or ban editors, and many other issues that I believe are essential for each admin (and most editors) to consider.

Two final notes:

a) while I have never in the past used the admin tools on anybody I considered involved with myself, I reaffirm that I have no intentions to use them as such. As my old amin log can reveal, I only blocked a few obvious vandals in my old days, and I certainly don't expect my future admin block log to be any different. I also intend to be much more careful with all other instances of admin tools use (such as protection), and if I see any possible conflict of interests due to involvement with other editors, I will decline to use them.

b) just as I was in the past, I will be open to recall.

Additional questions from Razionale

4. A little background: From when until when did the Eastern European mailing list run? From when until when were you a member of it? (please be exact on dates and short on words)

I have deleted the archives a while ago so my memory may be a bit off. IIRC it ran from Dec 2008 till I don't know when, perhaps it is still running. When I unsubscribed from it (2010?) it had no active active Misplaced Pages editors I can recall. Any and all activities criticizes by Arbcom and the community ceased in fall 2009 as soon as the EEML case was opened, and the few posts that I recall since then where about RL European politics (like, uh, elections in Hungary or such), which anyway constituted majority of posts even before the case. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

5. You mentioned you violated canvassing. In what other ways did you act inappropriately during that time (by your own judgement) precisely? Also describe here your role as an admin please, which has been described as appropriate (by the nominator) and as abusive (for example by Nanobear), focusing on evidence rather than persons.

I am not very fond of political selfkritik. so I'll be brief, with no prejudice if you or anyone else wants to ask a less vague question. Inappropriate canvassing or being canvassed is the primary thing I recall. My role as an admin should be visible in my admin action logs (deletion, block. I deleted few pages, blocked few vandals... the usual low key mop'n'bucket gnomish work that was and still is often backlogged. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

6. Which users did you supervise as a Wiki-ambassador? Is it the same as the class projects? Who remained editing after your class projects ended that we could have a look at?

I didn't keep exact notes, and as any ambassador will tell you, they tend to blend in one another; few students are active enough to be memorable. In my role of the instructor - much more consuming, and where I also acted as an ambassador for my classes - I had to be much more active. I maintain a list of those projects here. None of my students are very active, through a few made some edits after the course ended. My best student was Kgw2 (talk · contribs)), profiled on WMF blog here. He recently told me he intends to come back and edit another subject or two. While I am not aware of any studies of the issue, I believe that the student to editor retention ratio throughout all of Misplaced Pages Education program is under 1%, and I was not lucky enough to mentor a real Wikipedian. If you know of any course that consistently turns students into Wikipedians I'd love to learn more about it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

7. Have you continued to have contact with users of the Eastern European mailing group (email, chat or any other means of communication aside from WP) after the arbitration ended? If "yes", with who? Thank you for your answers.

First, I believe that this question invades my privacy (which is a concept I treat very seriously; your millage may vary - I simply consider private correspondence to be, well, private, as in "not to be discussed or inquired about publicly"). But I'll answer it in good faith. I get about 2 wiki emails per week, and maybe I send one every two. Considering subsequent replies, let's estimate 10 wikiemails per week, so maybe I exchanged about 1500 emails since EEML case ended. I can't recall any specifc ones with parties to EEML, but I am sure there were a few. 10? Maybe 30? I will decline to name which ones, as 1) I don't remember and 2) I believe this would violate their privacy. I also talk to numerous Wikipedians, including standing and former arbcom members and many admins, on Facebook, Skype, GChat, IRC, in real life, and so on. Again, probably a few messages of those (and I won't even try to estimate those) are to the parties of the said case. In fact, I am pretty sure I send regular yearly Facebook birthday wishes to at least two of them, both of them active and in good standing on this project, just like I do to many other Wikipedians who connected to me on social media. I was also a part of of a Wikipedian guild in a MMORPG that included one of those editors among its many members, since apparently both of us liked that game. So, you see, I talk with hundreds of editors, on and off wiki. Just like anyone else, including you (perhaps I even exchanged an email or two with you?). Is this revelation surprising to anyone? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Additional question from Snowolf

8. For the users who are not familiar with the EEML case, could you comment on FloNight's comments or point us to where you have done so in the past? Snowolf 09:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Which comment, the WikiCup one? Another stale story from 2009, huh? From what I recall, I felt that it was unfair for an arbitrator participating in a WikiCup to propose a ban or a block or another participant of the said competition, and so I asked him/her to recuse him/her self. That arbitrator disagreed. I don't think I have emails related to this, IIRC I only emailed an ArbCom clerk asking if this is a ground for recusing, the email was forwarded to the Committee, some feathers got ruffled, and next thing I know there's the comment by an angry arbitrator about the gall I had to call one of the arbitrators involved. Or maybe I did email that arbitrator directly, and he got offended that I dared to call his/her integrity into question. For the record, I never thought they did propose to ban or block me to reduce competition, they were probably unaware of my participation, but I felt I should point out that there is a potential CoI. Meh. Perhaps it happened somewhat differently, it was three years ago, and I am not even sure I am fully right on my own "he said, she said" here. Anyway, if you want to draw a conclusion from this, this is this: if I will be an admin (or arbitrator... yeah right) in any future point, and if I realize that I am in such a CoI, I'd still recuse myself from any admin/arbitrator capacity in a given case. (I have seen, for the record, Arbitrators recusing themselves simply because they were members of the same WikiProject as an involved party, and while personally I wouldn't call a CoI in such a scenario, I also think it is better to be safe than sorry and to allow one's judgement to be clouded by personal interactions with another editor). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

General comments

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Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.

Discussion

• This should probably be closed before it spirals out of control. It's not going to be successful, why wait until someone winds up blocked? AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 15:08, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Support

1. Strong support, but let me get the following question out of the way first. "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the EEML Partey?" Yes, four years ago. "Why?" Because like Piotrus, I take Misplaced Pages very seriously. And... by the way, four years is a lifetime in Misplaced Pages. Many things have improved, including communication and 'people skills' of many long-term users. Many of our fears never materialized. Now, more than ever, we need to maximize our effectiveness and (if possible) upgrade the status of our most valued editors such as Piotrus to increase student engagement. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 20:10, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
2. Enthusiastic support. First I should mention that I became aware of this draft RfA because, as I mention below to Giano, I saw his insulting (I felt) commentary on Piotrus' talk page, which is on my watchlist.

   Regarding EEML, feeling beset by editors pushing an anti-Eastern European agenda was not a good excuse for starting to discuss Eastern European topics, or WP, off-WP. All involved have long since apologized. All have moved on except, it appears, for a predictable minority of detractors involved in a continuum of content contentiousness before, during, and after the case, and still unwilling to move on from their version of the past of years ago.

   If some wish to see this as rehabilitation, so be it. If some wish to lobby that Piotrus is an intractable evil incapable of rehabilitation, then after such a long time having passed, that is solely a reflection on the individual making the accusation.

   I have complete and total confidence that Piotrus will exceed the community's expectations in every way; I have this confidence because Piotrus knows the magnifying glasses and the nay-sayers will be out in force, yet has made this personal—and courageous, likely knowing some would not wish to let go of their personal investment in past conflict—commitment to Misplaced Pages to take this important and symbolic step.

   Piotrus' WP activities including its use in higher education are an exemplary model of the best WP has to offer. Who should the WP community empower to represent the best of WP? Those who have leveraged and demonstrated our pedagogic value in the real world, or those who show up only to toss barbs? VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   P.S. I hope that a fresh crop of participants will look at the work Piotrus has been doing on/with WP and ignore the unfortunate rehash of personal accounts of history by prior content combatants. If someone is looking for "truth", examine who has advocated for what WP content as encyclopedic. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 22:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

3. You have my full trust and support. Salvio 09:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
4. If you've been editing wikipedia for 9 yearsm then why not? NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 09:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
5. support him--Sandstunk (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
6. Weak support, per NintendoFan.--Razionale (talk) 11:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   I don't like the replies to the questions, always watering down things with a reference to memory. "few posts that I recall", "(2010?)", "primary thing I recall", "I am not aware of", "no active active Misplaced Pages editors I can recall", "my memory may be a bit off", "I didn't keep exact notes", "I have deleted the archives a while ago", "few students are active enough to be memorable", "I don't know when", "I can't recall", "I don't remember", "probably a few", "From what I recall", "I don't think I have", "Or maybe I did", "Perhaps it happened somewhat differently", " I am not even sure I am fully right on my own". References to memory like "I don't recall" are very unconvincing and a deletion of records too. He doesn't even remember the year in which he left the mailing list? I notice, on the other hand, a less aggressive tone, so I don't change my vote.--Razionale (talk) 14:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

7. Support, per above. Squid41913 (talk) 12:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
8. Strong support. Cool, constructive, knowledgeable about scholarship and WP policy. A good man. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
9. Moral support. If we aren't prepared to forgive and forget the EEML stuff, then we're creating yet another incentive to sockpuppetry. This user shows a strong attachment to Misplaced Pages and a will to create content. I should admit to certain concerns about Piotrus' temperament, but if promoted, he would certainly not be the worst sysop we have in that regard.—S Marshall T/C 14:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Vehement oppose Piotrus has proven that in order to achieve his goals, he will breach trust and break the most fundamental, honest and basic of Misplaced Pages's rules. Previously he has controlled a ring of socks and politically motivated editors to sway the balance of the project. Such behaviour taints the encyclopaedia and by association all our work. This deceit and corruption must never be allowed to happen again. I have seen no evidence of reform, and neither in Piotrus' case am I prepared to accept that a leopard has changed his spots. I rarely comment on an RFA, but I strongly feel this candidature is wrong.  Giano  13:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
   • You forgot to mention that I control The One Ring, too, and I am known to use it to mind control people; alas, you have valiantly resisted it and all my other attempts to warp your mind and will for years, always staying strong to your true beliefs. I also see that you are still as fond of WP:FORGIVE as ever; the length you go to promote our policies such as it or the old-fashined AGF always makes me look up at you in unmatched awe. Some people never change, you are completely right on the mark on that. I applaud you for finding this draft nomination even before it went public; perhaps you'd like to co-anti-nominate it? It is heartening to see there are still people who care about me that much. I mean, three years since I was involved in any of the ArbCom/ANI/etc. fun and games, yet there are still kind souls who apparently care so much about me to ensure your presence here (and hey, it's your only edit of the day - and you still chose to dedicate it to me; did I say already how touched I am?). Moving on, with deep regret, and much sadness, I have to point out that there may be a few minor errors in your well-reasoned and neutral argument above; particularly the comment about "he has controlled a ring of socks", it's so... sweet and thoughtful, alas, it is also, as much as it pains me to say, and forgive me for using the technical term here, an "outright lie". I consider your veno... er, I meant, vehement oppose a very nice contribution to this nomination, and I thank you for it. Yes, folks, years ago I made some enemies among Giano friends and apparently feature on his "friends-to-support-and-encourage-at-any-opportunity list". Cheers, Giano. I am sorry that I never ever returned the favor and commented on your person on Misplaced Pages (); sadly, despite all of your efforts here, I don't think I can find time nor will to address this in the future outside of this forum, neither. I trust a few more ghosts of the years past will comment here, through sadly most of those well meaning, innocent souls, pillars of our community, did manage to get themselves blocked...? I can't wait to see who else will crawl out of the woodwork to join this party in the cooperative wiki-spirit of mending the fences and burying the hatchets :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC) PS. I have refactored this comment following Bishonnen's helpful remarks. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   This is not a draft - it is not in user space. Please don't muddy the waters with your religion and race, that means nothing here - this is purely about your integrity which is lacking. Neither is this a matter of you upsetting a few of my friends, unless 2/3rds of the encyclopaedia plus the Arbitration Committee are my close friends. Fundamentally, you abused the project for your own ends (Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list). That is unacceptable. If you require an unseemly posting of diffs and questions, then I'm happy to oblige you, but I strongly advise you against it.  Giano  17:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

   Uh, I linked EEML in my own comments, you are a bit too late to shock people with that. Have any diffs from this decade? Go ahead if you do, otherwise - I have better things than reminiscing about ancient wiki history. As much as some may enjoy it, I have Good Articles to write, DYKs to feature, about a month worth of backlog of articles to asses when New Article Bot gets kicking, and such. You know, encyclopedia building stuff. Personally I think it's more fun than discussing ancient wiki history and grinding axes, through to each their own - just don't expect I'll partake in this pastime of yours more than I have had in the past; not my piece of cake, through I appreciate your livening up the place. It's been a while since I've been to a circus. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

   • Oh dear! This is rather like pulling the wings off a rather, large and unattractive moth. I will deal with you properly tomorrow when I have more time, but in the meantime, you might like to consider one of the lies from your statement above:“as soon as the case started, I recognized my errors and ceased any controversial activities”. Did you? Is that quite true? No, it's another lie, isn't it?. The case opened in September, the mailing list was still operating in November and you were still participating. It's tricky to prove because the evidence involved Radek (now newly reborn as Volunteer Marek (I expect he will support you above), and he accidentally copy-pasted his mailbox contents onto WP, which was quite rightly oversighted. However, let's allow the evidence section speak for itself: . Are you sure you want to continue with this RFA? Then of course, we have your renowned 'back channeling' which served you so ill in that case Piotrus, you are not a fit person to be an Admin, do we really need to continue this?  Giano  19:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

   Really, is the best you can do is relitigate the past including your recent grossly uncivil and baseless accusations whose sole purpose can only be to foment continued antagonism? You don't seem concerned in the least that your deeming someone worthy of your personal attacks has become rather a badge of honor among Wikipedians seeking to build reputable content in a collegial atmosphere. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 13:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   All secret groups have their traitors and their double agents; it's the nature of the beast. You should remember that Vecrumba; you've already slipped on a banana skin once today so I would remain silent if I were you.  Giano  20:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Sadly, double agents and banana skins are all in your self-consumed conspiracy-theorist head. Yet again your confidence in what you know is in error. What really puzzles me is why the community continues to put up with your poisonous innuendo as amply ladled out here. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   P.S. Speaking of banana peels, I have your insulting Piotrus on his talk page to thank for finding his RfA. Thanks indeed! VєсrumЬа ►TALK 22:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   *here is my 'insulting' of Piotrus to which Vecrumba (Piotrus' aide-de-campe) refers .  Giano  07:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   • Fact 1: Piotrus states above "While I have never in the past used the admin tools on anybody I considered involved with myself." This is blatantly false he unblocked User:Molobo several times.  Giano  07:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
   • Fact 2: Piotrus asks for recent diffs proving his behaviour; he states above: “Since the case ended, now more then three years ago, I am proud to say, I was not involved in any wikidramu." However, only last week last posted his objections to a speedy deletion of one of his his students' articles in three places – asking for a review of an admin’s actions, calling them improper and an “abuse of admin tools” – by consensus, the speedy deletion was approved and the page userfied. What would he have done if he had the tools. As an Admin, Piotrus would be divisive and arrogant.  Giano  07:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   • Re: fact 1. Fair enough, I did so back when I was learning about being a Misplaced Pages admin in 2005. I agree that it was improper, I believe I have already conceded that way before the EEML case, too. I would certainly not do this now, nor did I do anything like that in the 4 or so years since that time while I still had the mop. Nice job digging out diffs that stale :)
   • Re: fact 2. I believe that posting objections to an admin action is an acceptable behavior. I don't do it often, perhaps 1/100 as often as you (care to dispute that?), but yes , I raised concerns in that case. The community did not share them as much, and I even gave the admin I was disagreeing with a wikibeer to reduce any wikistress :) Whether I became an admin or not, I believe that we all have the right to politely disagree. If I had admin tools, I'd do nothing different. Certainly I'd not wheel war, that'd be not conductive to the civil discussion we we were having there. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   I will leave this RFA for now and see how it goes. I have plenty more diffs up my sleeve displaying Piotrus' behaviour, but we will try to avoid a prolonged, unreadable thunder storm and leave them for now.  Giano  07:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

2. Strong oppose This April's fool joke comes three weeks late. Anyone with superficial knowledge of the current topic area knows that Piotrus has remained as close to other EEML members as before (just two examples with the most recent month ). I also see he hasn't lost his infamous language, including his "wheedling tone". Unfortunately, the EEML arbitration was poorly researched, weakly ruled and only a small part of its evidence page and Wikileaks summary of quotes on Piotrus were used. In reality, as Thatcher wrote, Piotrus should have got permanently banned there. Even a second leak later Arbcom stopped short of a permanent ban.. Piotrus was never interested in admin work and confided on the EEML his own uselessness as an admin but argued that it helped in disputes. He, furthermore, engaged in widespread misuse of his rights and status. Nanobear (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Wikileaks? It's founder is hiding in an embassy.--Razionale (talk) 11:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   A thorough review of EEML (characterized as a majority of thousands having to do with a particular editor) demonstrates very little had anything to do with WP. This was mentioned at the case itself but it was not deemed necessary to correct the initial misinformation, allowing certain myths to live on. I am sorry to see you re-litigate the past. In which case I would have to ask, weren't you booted off of WP forever for personal attacks in the real world? You support forgiveness and moving on when it applies to yourself, but not others. I am genuinely sorry to see that. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Haven't heard of you since 2009, Nanobear. I am glad to see that this still-not-public RfA draft has given you a reason to edit Misplaced Pages for the first time in first days. What a coincidence that you stumbled upon it to reminiscent about the events from four years ago, through I see you also don't find WP:FORGIVE that helpful. Well, whatever the outcome of the events here, I still do. I see that other then 2009 diffs, you seem fit to complain that I occasionally interact, in a civil manner, with certain other editors. It's a free world - but if you find that disturbing, you can always try to get me and others under an interaction ban. I'd love to see how this would fly based on... what evidence of any wrongdoing? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Strong oppose per reasonings given by Nanobear and Giano, with regret. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   I would respectfully suggest to not judge the request here based on the inimical and completely predictable peanut gallery so far (IMO) seeing this as an invitation to re-litigate the past via their personal narratives. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Would you mind telling me what "reasonings" do you see above? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   I made a bit of a mistake in my vote, so I am going to change to neutral below. Sorry if I have caused any confusion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

3. Oppose I know that he's an important editor, but some of this negative stuff (i.e. unplaeasant experiences, bans, edit conflicts) shouldn't even be mentioned in the nomination statement. It gives me the indication that his behaviour has been disruptive in the past, and it makes me worry that he would use the tools improperly. It's interesting about what he wants to do for his primary objective, as these requested moves can be indisputable, but still I think he's more prolific in the encyclopaedia department than in the admin department. Minima© (talk) 07:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   I am not clear if you believe I and my nominator should have try to keep some controversies from few years ago hidden, or that they took place at all? If the former, I prefer to come clean and give the community and honest deal (which perhaps proves I am a bad politician, but I don't think this is an issue in a RfA). If the latter, you are of course entitled to a belief that people who erred once will err again. Setting aside the adage that to be human is to err, I respectfully disagree. Have you never seen or heard of anyone who was given such a chance and rewarded the trust given him? Isn't this the very guiding principle of our AGF policy? Granted, this is a philosophcal disagreement, as I am a strong believer in second chances (aka giving people enough rope... :D). But if my last three plus years of uncontroversial edit history is not enough, and you believe I'd be a danger to this project if given those tools, there's indeed little else I can do to change your mind, although I would be happy to answer any questions if you were to ask. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:09, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

4. Oppose. While I recognize he's been doing some good stuff and the EEML debacle was some time ago, encounters like this still make me think he's easily tempted to sacrifice logic and reason in favour of some kneejerk reaction in defense of editors he perceives as political allies. The fact that the first two enthusiastic support votes here are from exactly two of these allies (part of the most faithful core group ever since the EEML days) doesn't help to overcome these concerns. On an entirely different matter, I was also not too impressed with his actions in a recent deletion case (AN, DRV), where his behaviour came across to me as pushy and wikilawyerish. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Sorry to say it but your own "kneejerk reaction" at ANI reverted by another sysop allows me to raise some reasonable doubts about your handling of that particular case also. Poeticbent talk 09:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Well, let me then modify my "oppose" vote into a strongest oppose possible, if for no other reason than who his supporters are. If Piotrus needs members of his old POV coterie, such as Poeticbent here, haranguing oppose voters, and if they need to stoop as low as what we're seeing here (can't say whether out of malice or incompetence), then something must be seriously wrong with the candidate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Wait, let me get this right. Your primary reason for opposing me are the actions of others? As in, guilt by association? I am sure I must be misunderstanding you, and I apologize in advance. I am just not sure how to otherwise interpret your comment above; please help me understand it better. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   I think I made it quite clear what my primary reasons for opposing you are, and which are additional ones. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Could you elaborate on what makes you think my posts at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Serafin where "knee jerk reactions sacrificing logic and reason in defense of political allies"? I thought I provided valid if AGF arguments (yes, I am very fond of AGF). Nihil novi has not been proven to be a sock user, so given "innocent until proven guilty" I'd rather think my arguments and analysis where closer to the truth than not... Regarding "political ally", NN (who was not a party to EEML or any other arbcom case I can recall) is an editor I respect, but what kind of politics are we supposed to share, beyond that respect which I hope but will not presume is mutual?

   Also, I don't think it is very fair for you to hold me responsible for who votes here. For the record, I have not asked either Poeticbent nor Vrecumba to vote, nor informed them of this vote in any fashion. I have asked them now, however, to disclose how they learned about this vote, to address any conspira lingering doubts :)

   Regarding the DRV case, I have asked the other party there for comments on how he feels about my behavior, and I'll be happy to apologize to him if he feels offended. Other than this instance, would you have any other concerns about my attitude from the last three or so years? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Let me clarify regarding the SPI case: as you will have noticed, I quite agreed with you about the outcome, as far as exonerating NN was concerned. In doing so, I explicitly concurred with another argument brought forward in his favour by Marek. Marek, too, was of course a member of the old group, and may have had the same POV incentive to intervene as you did, but that didn't stop me from recognizing his argument as convincing. But here's the crucial difference: his argument was logically coherent and compelling; yours was not. He made the case that NN wasn't in fact the suspicious IP. You tried to make an argument based on the premise that they were the same, trying to excuse what, under that premise, really was unexcusable. This argument was so threadbare it really wasn't worthy of an editor of your intelligence; that's why I see it as a sign of a willingness on your part to sacrifice logic when an agenda stands in its way. You also didn't just defend NN, but also the IP (when I think it must have been quite clear to any experienced observer that the IP was a Serafin sock). You claimed the IP hadn't been disruptive, when in fact they had been making extremely inflammatory comments like . As for you asking now why I would assume a political motivation on your part, I find it difficult not to see that question as disingenious: the SPI was triggered by a clash over one of the most long-running (and proverbially lame) national-ideological disputes Polish editors have been involved in for all these years; exactly the kind of dispute the EEML group was known for. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Thank you for your clarification. I did indeed only skim the IP edits, and I was focusing primarily on the fact that he was not edit warring. I failed to consider the possibility that he was trolling the talk page, and provoking conflict, through I thought that if he would be so disruptive there he would've been already blocked by you or someone else. My primary focus was on analyzing the behavior of an editor I am more familiar with (Nihil novi) and explaining why any connection between him and the IP was unlikely; in that I did not pay sufficient attention to the actual content of IP's edits (I was primarily focused on NN's edits). Please note that I did agree with you and others that "Seraphin was a disruptive editor". Next time I'll be more careful with regards to declaring someone's talk page edits not disruptive, you are right I should've known better. That's one trout I certainly should be smacked with. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

5. Oppose. While three years may be enough to forgive the EEML incident, he has continued to show a temperament unsuitable for an admin. I am also not sufficiently convinced that he will not use admin tools while involved. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 09:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Would you mind describing in more detail which incidents did you find my temperament lacking and how, and what grounds do you have for assuming I'd use admin tools while involved? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

6. Oppose per his comments at this dubious AN report and this subsequent DRV, plus general concerns about temperament and judgement. I do not think this candidate is suited to the role. Basalisk ⁄_berate 10:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Would you mind telling me what about my comments has you concerned? Where I uncivil? For the record, following the concern over that ANI/DRV discussion raised by you and several others, I have asked the other party there (Deb) if he feels offended by my comments, and how he would vote (). He replied that he would be neutral (). Of course, you are certainly entitled to a different interpretation than him, I just wanted to let you know about Deb's views on this. Please let me know if you have any other concerns about my edits, I am always interested in bettering myself based on others' views of me. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

7. Oppose (moving from neutral). The fact that he rarely responds on his own talk page (ca. 700 posts in all this time) is probably not an issue, but it does not make it easy to follow and evaluate his interaction with others. Piotrus is an excellent content contributor but appears to like too much getting involved in politik so there must be some reason why he attracts polemic. We have Wikiholics enough, we have Wikilawyers enough, and Piotrus has hats enough and enough to do without needing another one. A mature and highly qualified individual who is occasionally a tad too rash and garrulous, hence I am not wholly convinced of his ability to adopt and maintain the essential neutrality and coolness that is required of sysops. I never use qualifiers such as strong or weak in my RfA comments, but FWIW, this is borderline but sufficient for me to move from neutral. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Thank you for teaching me a new word for talkative. Yes, I am talkative, although I am not aware this discouraged in admins? Btw, I'd like to think it has been three, not two, years since any "major issues". Feel free to ask any questions if it would help with your investigation. Regarding your concerns over replying, I pride myself on replying to all non-automated messages I get. I do so however on sender's talk page, not mine, so I am sure the count of my edits to my own talkpage is low. I do not enjoy "politik" and I believe my content to Misplaced Pages namespace ratio should show it. My talk ratio may be high as one of my routine edits is article assessment. The reason why I attract polemic is simple: despite not liking "politik" very much, I've been here for almost 10 years, and I am I top 100 editors with most edits, so even if my ratio of "politik" edits is low, their total number is very high. Thus assuming I have a perfectly average toe-stepping ratio, I'd have nonetheless stepped on many more toes than vast majority of other editors. Therefore it would be surprising if I did not attract more polemic then most other editors :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

8. Weak oppose. (I should mention that Giano is an old friend of mine. We don't agree about everything, and he didn't canvas me about this RFA. I don't know any of the other opposers.) I started to type up a Neutral comment, because, while I thought there were some concerns about battleground with Piotrus, I wasn't opposed to adminship. We need more strong content contributors in the admin ranks. I also think he was mainly a good and useful admin in the past, and thought he would be useful now, and surely mindful of all the eyes that would be on his admin actions. I wish as many people watched all admin actions as would be watching Piotrus'! I still think this would be a protection against misuse, so this is not a strong oppose. But the way he threw himself gleefully into battling with the opposers on this page was too much for me. Piotrus, you're on display here, this is I presume your "best behaviour" that you're showing? Replying sarcastically to Giano isn't objectionable as such in my book—I'm not sensitive to that the way many people here are—but your tone and manner are. It's simply bad judgment to respond so aggressively (and at such length!), no matter how he framed his oppose. As far as that goes, the oppose was strong but matter-of-fact and not rude. Anyway, Giano isn't requesting adminship here, you are. Your broad hint that he had something to do with a racist attack and call for assassination is just utterly unseemly: "Btw, I wonder, is the attack page with my old address, calling me a Jew and asking for somebody to assassinate me still up at ED? Haven't checked it for years, but somehow I am reminded of it... can't think of the reason why." I couldn't believe it when I saw it. You could certainly help with many admin tasks, you're highly competent; but you've shot yourself in the foot with your demanour on this very page, as far as I'm concerned, sorry. Bishonen | talk 11:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC).

   You make a good point that this comment went to far. It was not my intention to allege Giano authored that comment, but rather to note that I have been trolled with similar tone and friendliness in the past. I see however how I went to far with that reply, violating my own principle of utmost respect for AGF. I will refactor my statement to remove this unhelpful remark, and I apologize for making it in the first place. Thanks for calling me on it, I always welcome such well argued criticism that let's me improve for the future. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

9. Oppose I agree with King of Hearts' comments. I'm also about the neutrality of Piotrus' editing, and feel that at times he still edits to advance a Polish nationalist viewpoint at the expense of article quality. As examples of my concerns, please see my comments at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Polish Underground State (particularly in relation to the neutrality of the article) and Talk:Polish mine detector#Requested move (without wanting to denigrate this Polish innovation from World War II, it's pretty obvious that the Poles aren't the only people to have designed mine-detecting technology, as the Demining#Detection methods link Piotrus wants to move the 'mine detector' redirect away from makes perfectly clear). I also note Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/Polish–Soviet War/archive1 from late 2011 in which Piotrus initially argued in favour of keeping this FA despite it suffering from some major, and fairly obvious, problems (though I note that he agreed with me when I pointed these out towards the end of the FAR in February 2012). All up, while I wish him well in his editing work, I'm afraid don't believe that Piotrus is a suitable person to hold the admin tools. Nick-D (talk) 11:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   While I would disagree with some of what you wrote, this is not a place to discuss content issues (although I'll briefly elaborate on one, the mine detector: I don't know much about mine detectors, and as the article is interwiki linked to the mine detector article on pl wiki, I thought that Polish mine detector = mine detector, hence I suggested the move; I certainly did not think that doing so could be seen as biased promotion of a Polish subject If I wanted to do so, wouldn't it make more sense for me to simply redirect the current mine detector redirect to the Polish mine detector article?). Anyway, I said many times I have a number of biases (Polish, Western, male, geek, etc.). So does anyone else, and for those of us who edit content this comes up every know and then. However... so what? There are no unbiased admins, because there are no unbiases people. Are you really holding against me the fact that I am an imperfect human being? :) Anyway, all I am saying is simply pointing out to this point in the NPOV policy FAQ "There's no such thing as objectivity". You are of course welcome to your own view, but personally I would never oppose anyone's admin candidacy due to their content views, as long as they would be otherwise civil and respect consensus. If you have any concerns about my civility and respect for consensus, please let me know about specific examples where I might have transgressed against those and related policies, and I'd be happy to analyze my behavior. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   As a comment on this nomination, from re-reading WP:EEML it's pretty obvious that the nomination statement here whitewashes Piotrus' role - he wasn't merely "accused of abusing the tools in one instance" - this was found to have occurred, as well as a heap of other behaviour totally unbecoming of an admin, and if he hadn't resigned the tools it's a certainty that they would have been removed. I don't think that I've seen such blatant dishonesty in a RfA nomination statement before, and it's really disappointing that this has been posted. The fact that Piotrus endorsed this statement doesn't reflect well on him at all. Nick-D (talk) 12:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

10. Oppose. While I'm all for giving people second chances and can very well imagine Piotrus getting back the bit in some undetermined future, I cannot support at this time. The EEML fiasco alone was too big to forget easily; even four years later I keep seeing references to it every other week, if not more often. It is obviously fresh in many people's minds, and Piotrus has a strong association with it. I wasn't following Piotrus' activities closely in the past few years, but from what little I can see, he is on the right track. I wish him the best of luck. Time heals all, but in some cases a higher dosage is required.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 25, 2013; 11:55 (UTC)

    Always glad to see a familiar face! Regarding seeing the references to EEML, I personally see them only every two months or so, so I am a bit surprised you see them so often - you'd think that I, as one of the main parties there, would run into them more than you, who were not involved in this matter all. Anyway, regarding the frequency of mentions, you may find my answer to Kudpung () worth reading, as he is concerned about the similar issue. I'd also like to submit the following wikiessay of mine for your consideration. Regarding the time frame, I am curious how long the grave crime of EEML should prevent me, in your opinion, from being eligible to request the mop'n'bucket again. It has been three years, that's 25% of Misplaced Pages's history, or ~3.5% of current human lifespan in a developing country. How much longer would you feel would be fair? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    Well, surely you understand this is not exact science we are talking about here. I don't know the answer to your question about how much longer would be fair, but I know that right now feels too soon, at least to me. When I look at the squabbles from the early days, they all make me smile and wonder how anyone could take them so seriously. When EEML reaches that point, and providing there are no new major catastrophes in the interim, you'll have my full support. In the meanwhile, treat this RfA as an opportunity to collect whatever constructive criticism you can find on this page. And thanks for the essay link; I'm looking forward to reading it. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 25, 2013; 15:04 (UTC)

11. Oppose Having taken the time to look at bit more closely at the EEML matter and the user's role in it, it seems clear to me that Piotrus is not a good match for the sysop role. His interactions on this page likewise don't help his cause. Snowolf 12:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    If you would care to point out to more specific instances of my actions that you find lacking, I'd appreciate it. I try to improve myself based on comments of others, but I'd need more specific examples to analyze. Thank you, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

12. Oppose - his comments/attitude at AN/ANI have left an ill feeling, I do not think he is suitable for the mop. GiantSnowman 12:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    If you would care to point out to more specific instances of my actions that you find lacking, I'd appreciate it. I try to improve myself based on comments of others, but I'd need more specific examples to analyze. If you are refering to the recent DRV/Korea-themed article, you may want to read my reply to Basalisk above. Thank you, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

13. Oppose - I think the editor is overall fine, but he sometimes makes non-personal issues personal. For example, he appears to frequently poison the well as he did in his first response to Giano above. I don't think that is a good quality in an Admin. My own interactions with the editor, about an individual he appears to know professionally: Misplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_60#Laurence_Cox, also give me significant concern about his ability to detach private interests from wikipedia issues. IRWolfie- (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
14. Oppose. Like some of the other opposers, my impression of his behavior here and on AN/ANI is that his temperament isn't such that a mop is a good idea right now. "Giving as good as you get" in heated situations is not a valid solution to any problem, whether technical or social. I was also distinctly unimpressed to see him castigating Deb in multiple venues for Deb's speedy of a textbook G11 article, and my confidence is thus low that Piotrus could handle deletions well and according to policy, especially when they relate to his work in the Education Program. I would also note that while Piotrus acknowledges one of his EEML-related problems to have been canvassing, he seems to not have grokked how to avoid the issue even this week. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 13:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC) last edited 14:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    Regarding the ANI/DRV issue, please see my comment to Basalisk above where I mention Deb's own thoughts on our discussion in the view of my suitability for an admin. Regarding grokking things, Misplaced Pages:Ambassador talk page, unlike EEML, a public forum, and I see mentioning the educational-project-related deletion discussion there as valid as would be listing it under Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting outlet such as Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Education. As there is no avenue to do so for speedy deletions or DRVs, I used the talk page. If you still think that I did something wrong, I'd welcome assistance in understanding the issue, particularly how what I did would differ from linking a regular AfD in an appropriate Deletion sorting venue. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    Having read your response to Basalisk, I can only say that no, being told Deb's hyopthetical vote in this RFA does not resolve my concerns about your temperament - my issues are with your choices and aggression in pursuing them, not with Deb's susceptibility to or resistance to offense or grudge-holding. As far as the canvassing issue, I would have expected you to be aware that in a situation where you were aggressively pursuing your preferred outcome in the DRV and you had already pursued that in multiple, more neutral venues, you would be aware that contacting a group who specialize in assisting and, in some cases, protecting students' edits would be equal to contacting a non-neutral cross-section of the community ("recruiting editors perceived as having a common viewpoint for a group," as WP:CANVASS puts it). I can willingly accept that you didn't believe that your message was canvassing, and that it may be a debatable case of was-it-or-wasn't-it canvassing, but that leaves the issue of you taking an action that's, to be generous, alarmingly close to canvassing when you have a history of misusing canvassing to have your way in disputes. I would expect editors who have had trouble in the past with a policy to be more careful in being sure to follow it, rather than taking chances and hoping they come in under the line.

    You don't have to agree with any of my comments here, or anyone else's, of course, but might I humbly suggest that you take a break from challenging the thoughts of every person who has opposed you? Consider the possibility that some people may be making valid points that bear your thinking about, whether this RFA passes or fails, and that acting as though each oppose is a evidence-lacking direct personal challenge to you may be making you look oversensitive. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    You raise a number of valid points. Aaargh, canvassing is really my Achilles heel. I thought that if I post in a public forum, in a neutral fashion, it would be fine, but you are totally right that the partisanship of the audience is a factor, too. My rule of thumb tends to be "is this edit similar to linking something in DELSORT", but if I understand you correctly are saying that ambassadors would be more partisan than wikiproject members yes? We are not supposed to protect the student edits any more than any other type of edits, but I see your logic. Perhaps the correct course of action for me would have been to link this discussion there after the DRV was closed, to avoid any interference (not that I think a single ambassador participated anyway...)? Regarding replying to people here, well, I do so as a mark of thanks and respect for people who chose to spend their time considering my request. I also like to understand what others think of me, so I can either clear up any misunderstandings, or better myself in light of their constructive comments. If some take it the wrong way and believe I am overly defensive or aggressive... well, my usual responce would be to try to clear this misunderstanding through explaining to them this is not the case, which... hmmm... I kind of see a problem here :> Would you suggest that I should've made no replies to the comments here whatsoever, outside replying to the questions to candidate? I am not sure what is the common practice in RfAs, perhaps I should've looked at what are the standard practices. Too late now, I guess, the proverbial cat is way out of the box on this one here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

15. Oppose . Thanks for offering to do all those tedious tasks you listed in Q1. For that, I'd like to have supported. But the confrontational reply to Giano is unacceptable, and that whole business of Beautiful Store, wasting countless hours of editor time and trying to get Deb reviewed and cautioned, make my support impossible, I'm afraid. --Stfg (talk) 13:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    Regarding the ANI/DRV issue, please see my comment to Basalisk above where I mention Deb's own thoughts on our discussion in the view of my suitability for an admin. Regarding my reply to Giano, please see my reply to Bishonen above (yes, I agree it was inappropriate, and I have refactored my comment and apologized for it). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    Oppose The reply to Giano made this oppose easy. If the candidate can't stay cool here, why should I assume that the candidate would do so in an admin position? Intothatdarkness 13:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC) Striking my vote. Did some additional digging, and I won't base a vote on the squabbles of others. Intothatdarkness 13:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

16. Oppose The first sentence of the candidate's answer to Q7 troubles me; adminship is about trust, and I'm not sure how well lessons have been learned. Miniapolis 13:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    I have left a small clarification in Q7 answer. I am not sure I understand your concerns. Are you concerned that I am concerned about my privacy, or that I have private correspondence with others? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

17. Oppose a great content contributor at WikiProject Poland, but unsuitable as an admin. Too divisisve and partisan. Also still indulges in nationalist tag-team editing along the old battlelines.Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 14:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    Ah, a fellow EEML soul, glad to see another friendly face. Say, Miacek, speaking as one former EEMLer to another, would you mind pointing to me where is it exactly that I have been engaging in that "nationalist tag-team editing along the old battlelines"? A link to AN(I), AN3RR or AE in which they are discussed would be very appreciated, somehow I must have missed them. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:23, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    The edit war at National Democracy is an example.--Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 15:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

18. Oppose per Giano and the subsequent virulant badgering by the candidate and his aide. Kraxler (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    Putting aside actions of others editors (and for the record, I don't have an aide here), would you care to mention which of my replies to you consider to be "virulant badgering"? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

19. Oppose, what Piotrus did is one of the few things I would consider a potential candidate for WP:NOTEVER. EEML may be over three years in the past, but for this sort of offence, three years is not enough, and I'm far from certain I will ever be ready to trust at the level of adminship again. Nor is good content contribution enough. Even without the comments to Giano, this would be a solid oppose for me. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

    "what Piotrus did". Since I have done many, many things, would you mind to be a tad more specific? Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

20. Oppose. As Peridon notes below, this RfA is rapidly turning into a circus, and I can't help but think that the tone of some of the candidate's responses on this very page has helped to propagate at least some of that. That's not a characteristic that sits well in an administrator, so I must oppose. Excellent content contributions, mind. — sparklism 15:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
21. Very Strong Oppose I came here to oppose due to the Beautiful Store DRV, where Piotrus fights tooth and nail to get a very spammy page written by one of his own students undeleted for some reason. He does admit this in his statement so it isn't a disclosure issue, but it's still abysmal judgement that suggests to me Piotrus is absolutely unfit for any position of power and needs to be kept well away from deletion tools. Then I read the discussion and Piotrus' badgering of oppose voters turned my oppose into a very strong oppose. In my opnion this is one of a very small number of editors I would never trust with admin tools. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral - Though I respect Piotr's contributions from the very beginning (I worked on Tadeusz Kosciuszko with him and am currently working on Frederic Chopin with him), I am a little concerned that he would get involved in some issues again if he becomes an administrator like asking others to be involved in some major content dispute or get involved in EEML where I fear that I would be topic banned from it and I don't want that to happen to me. Other than that, I am mostly comfortable with Piotrus returning as an administrator. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Thank you for raising valid concerns. You say that I may "ask others to be involved in some major content dispute". Well, yes, I may do so and in fact I have been doing every few months. I believe that there is nothing wrong with administrators (or any other editors) using tools like Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment? I believe that right now there is one RfC started by me: Talk:Campaign_finance#Merge_from_Political_finance; if anybody finds anything inappropriate about it please don't hesitate to point it out (I'd list past RfCs I started but I am not familiar with a tool that would give me a list of them; if anyone knows I'd be glad to learn of it). Now, you also say that you are afraid that I would ask others to "get involved in EEML where I fear that I would be topic banned". No worries there; I wouldn't ask anyone to join EEML. First, I am no longer a member of that particular private listerv (nor, for conspiracy theory and wikilawyering buffs, of any hypothetical descendant or fork of it). Nor am I a member of any other private listserv concerned with Misplaced Pages - the EEML case clearly showed that being a member of any private Misplaced Pages-themed listerv is an unhealthy idea. Let me disclose, however, just in case anybody wonders, that I am a member of numerous public Misplaced Pages-themed listervs, like wikipedia-research-l @ wikimedia.org and education @ wikimedia.org (and I have invited people to join those on occasion). I hope, again, that this is not a problem? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Neutral (moved to 'oppose')- garrulous responses and a history (although two years since major issues - but we are dealing with a re-adminship here) that gives me pause. Neutral for now while I find time to examine things more closely. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

2. Neutral for the moment at least. Never heard of EEML or listervs before, so I've learned something today. Otherwise, trying to decide if this is an RfA, a circus, or a gladiatorial arena. Peridon (talk) 10:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Those are not mutually exclusive. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

3. Neutral as I don't see a need to pile on at this point. I can look past issues from two years ago, but looking back through a sprinkling of contribs, I don't think Piotrus's demeanor is suited to be an admin in the current environment. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Would you mind telling me which of my contribs suggest an admin-unbecoming deamenor? I like to know what I did wrong so that I can better myself in the future, but for that I do need a bit more precise data than a "sprinkling of contribs". Thanks! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

4. Neutral. I think EEML was badly argued and poorly decided, but the background in that case clearly informs how Piotrus would conduct himself as an admin - and, from that standpoint, EEML is obviously a concern, and perhaps one that will ultimately sink this RFA. But look, you assholes complain and complain that we don't get candidates who contribute content. Well here you go, here's an editor who has edited prolifically in the article space - 20+ FAs, 50+ GAs, 500+ DYKs, more than 73,000 articlespace edits, etc etc etc. If content is king, then Piotrus will be an admin in 7 days. Obviously, it is more complex than that, but I thought it worth commenting on the issue. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 12:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   "You assholes"? Seriously? Basalisk ⁄_berate 14:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Speaking purely about this remark, this is not a language nor attitude I endorse. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

5. Neutral per Dennis Brown. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 13:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
6. Neutral...but want to thank you for your prolific and excellent contribtions in article space.--MONGO 14:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Since a neutral vote implies you found something to be concerned about, may I ask you what it is? I like to know what I did wrong so that I can better myself in the future, but for that I do need a bit more precise data. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)