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:::RE-"I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved" - I don't see how when you continue in edit warring to the limit on multiple articles with multiple editors over a long period of time in your war upon infoboxes until others give up and leave it in the form you want. You've been around plenty long enough to what karma brings in such a case. And admins should know better, they are not immune. ] ] 22:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC) :::RE-"I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved" - I don't see how when you continue in edit warring to the limit on multiple articles with multiple editors over a long period of time in your war upon infoboxes until others give up and leave it in the form you want. You've been around plenty long enough to what karma brings in such a case. And admins should know better, they are not immune. ] ] 22:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::::Never claimed to be immune, Pumpkin, but you're not seeing everything. ] (]) 01:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC) ::::Never claimed to be immune, Pumpkin, but you're not seeing everything. ] (]) 01:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Oh, and you are? Hardly. But that's okay because you know that John Lennon song, "Instant Karma's gonna get you", and the best part is I won't have to do a single thing. You can't escape karma. ] ] 02:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


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Final (?) Peer Review for Theodora Cormontan plus a signature question

Hi Nikkimaria, I think Brian has had a pretty thorough look and is just about done except for something to do with the images. If you'd like to take a final look (? I really don't have a sense of how PR gets wrapped up) in the next day or two I don't think you or Brian will step on each other's toes. And, as long as I'm here, a question. It looks like a number of the classical composer pages have a signature on them. I imagine I can get a signature image relatively easy off the Gustavus Adolphus professor's website and I believe there aren't any copyright issues (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong of course). I'm not a particular fan of signatures but I want to conform to whatever the "current and best" standard is before I submit for the next step (either GA or FA, your advice is welcome). Anyhow thanks for your help so far, and I'm hopeful we'll have closure on this article in the near future, as I'm eager to get to work on my next one. Thanks again, Dictioneer (talk) 23:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Dictioneer. Signatures are an optional thing - some people really like them, some really don't. I don't have a strong opinion either way, and there's no real "best practice" on the issue. If you do decide to use one, here is the info on copyrights. You can close the PR whenever you like using the steps outlined on the main PR page. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:28, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

James Moore

Nikki, I've responded to your comments over at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/James Moore (Continental Army officer). Thank you for your help so far! Cdtew (talk) 15:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

University of Utah Course page

hi Nikki.. I need to add the article names and peer reviews on our course page.. but I can't see the students section.. when I click on Edit..

please let me know.. how Can I do this..

thnx Diksha41 (talk) 01:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 March 2013

YGM

...from me. — Ched :  ?  01:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK overtones hook

Nikkimaria, I'm not quite sure when the overtones tuning hook you just moved to Queue 1 regained its comma after the initial "that", but I had removed the comma when I promoted the hook to Prep 2, and really think it doesn't belong. (There's almost never a good reason for a comma after "that".) Can you please take it out again? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Obviously, I disagree with Kiefer's edit, but if you think he has the right of it grammatically, you can disregard the above. (I don't see how it is a parenthetical phrase, however, because if you delete it entirely, the remaining sentence makes no sense on its own.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks; guess we were editing at about the same time. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013

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Template:Did you know nominations/Saura painting

Nikkimaria, the creator says a complete rewrite has been done. As you found significant close paraphrasing before, I thought you might want to check again. (The creator is gone for two weeks, but I doubt we want to wait that long to check.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Will look. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! BlueMoonset (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hartebeest FAC

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There have been new improvements. I needed your response to an issue, so please return soon. Thanks, Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/India-Kuwait relations

Another close paraphrasing review of yours where the creator/nominator says that a rewrite has been done and all problems should be addressed. Thought I'd point it out to you, since I know you don't always see these replies. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 March 2013

Template:Did you know nominations/Desmond Lim

Please look again. Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Sparrow Mass

Hi, as you've clearly read my talkpage, you know that I have no strong feelings about infoboxes either way, particularly in composition articles. However, I feel that your removal in this article should be discussed further - particularly given that you've used a misleading edit summary. "Cleanup" generally refers to copy-editing or wikification, not an outright removal of a chunk of the article.

Again, I have no opinion on infoboxes in these articles either way (leaning slightly towards not having them at all) but I do believe in discussion, so I would appreciate your input on this. ~ Riana ⁂ 13:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I've tried to start a conversation here. ~ Riana ⁂ 13:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I haven't actually read your talkpage, just the single conversation with Gerda - apologies if you thought my comment was patronizing, it wasn't intended as such, but this has been previously raised as an issue. We'll see where the conversation goes, I guess. I did not remove a chunk of an article - I reverted Gerda's addition of a template, and I stand by that reversion. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay - hopefully we can shake hands and let this one go - I apologise if I was excessively growly. I can assure you that I was not canvassed (I actually came to the page prepared to disagree with an infobox, but I liked the look of the mini infobox, so it's not really like I approve of wholesale addition of infoboxes to /all/ composer articles).
Fair enough if you're sticking to your guns regarding the Sparrow Mass. I'm not about to revert anything there myself as, like I said, I've got no strong opinions either way, and I've no desire to instigate an edit war over an issue I regard as fairly unimportant in the scheme of things. It would be good if you would join the discussion on the talkpage, a variety of opinions would be really great. ~ Riana ⁂ 14:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Sure, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

You ask me to explain my addition on the talk. Why? I am one of the editors of that article, I didn't see your name. I know by now that project classical music is against infoboxes for composers, but I don't know anything about compositions. An infobox for the compositions of Bach has been discussed, why not others? Did you know that an {{infobox opera}} is in the making? See the example for amusement, not by me;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Has been discussed and has been criticized, Gerda. You made an addition, it was disputed, you have to justify on talk - even if you previously added an external link to the article. I've bit my tongue and not said anything as you've added infoboxes to a number of articles that you created - you had complained about not having leeway on "your" articles (despite...), so fine - but you've pushed enough. Please stop. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

ps: I will go now and sing for Easter, the Sparrow Mass among others. It would would be very kind if you restored the infobox, otherwise I will have to send my friends greetings with a link to an older version, showing an aspect of Misplaced Pages that I don't want to show ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Show them the article as it stands - that church image is beautiful. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Notice of External links noticeboard discussion

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Please stop

Nikkia, Regardless of what you want to call it - following other editors such as Andy and Gerda around simply to revert their edits, especially when you edit war, is unkind, even unbecoming and outright unacceptable. As for the infobox instances, they are the default, not vice versa. Claiming "status quo" as you did today would mean nothing ever gets changed. Please stop doing those things. Thank you.

PumpkinSky talk 20:50, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello PSky, it sounds like we have very different ideas about what "kind" and "becoming" might mean. Gerda and Andy both are welcome to develop articles they create in whatever way they please, and I'm not going to interfere with that. However, infoboxes are not the "default" by any means, and both are pushing to impose them in an inappropriate manner. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
And why did you just remove Diannaa's post? PumpkinSky talk 21:13, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Because I didn't see it; must've been an edit conflict. Apologies to Diannaa. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough, but Diannaa made a very valid point I think it would be good to address. PumpkinSky talk 21:17, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
What point might that be? She advised against edit-warring while edit-warring herself; not a very strong argument. Anyways, I'm not warring any more, but someone should - the box was and remains wrong. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:26, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
The point about going to an article you never edited before to remove an infobox (something you're known to be against) just one hour after it was posted. I'm sure Gerda and Andy would say you're trying to impose your view in an inappropriate manner. This infobox war has been simmering a long time and if those involved don't work it out it blow up badly for all concerned. PumpkinSky talk 21:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
The key point of that is all those involved need to work it out - this isn't just about me and Gerda. Furthermore, your point needs to apply to both "sides" - if it's inappropriate for me to remove an infobox from an article I've never edited, it's equally inappropriate for Andy to add one to an article's he's never edited. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
My feeble attempt to resolve this peaceably is over. I won't bother you anymore.PumpkinSky talk 21:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
You're not bothering me, but you're also not going to be able to resolve this by just talking to me. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Non-notable trivia

I agree with this removal of non-notable trivia. Unfortunately it has been reverted again, admittedly by a problematic editor who doesn't even like the idea of the section being tagged. Most of the How I Met Your Mother episode articles contain this sort of rubbish and there is resistance to its removal, or the establisment of notability for that matter. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:12, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK close paraphrasing

Nikkimaria, the following DYK nominations, all of which you had pinged for close paraphrasing, have been updated to address the issues. Can you please check to see whether these updates have solved the problems?

Many thanks! And very glad to have you back. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

ANI Notice

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Roman churches on Wikia

This wiki is actually pretty good, on the pages I've seen anyway, and should normally be added to External links rather than just removed. It is mostly, or ? all, by User:Cnyborg (Chris Nyborg), who knows what he is doing, though it is a pity he diodn't just use WP. Much better than most badly translated tourist or parish websites anyway. You might have noticed that all the links you have left to Official website of the vicariate of Rome seem to be dead! I doubt they were much good anyway. Johnbod (talk) 15:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

No they weren't - All in Italian & nothing specific it seems - Johnbod (talk) 15:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Full Stop Warning.

Nikkimaria - Just stop! Looking at this is likely to lead to some very unpleasant conclusions. No matter how one chooses to word this, it is unacceptable - and that's exactly how it's coming across. You are a great editor, and in fact in the past I have even tried to help find ways forward when you had problems. There is a currently open thread regarding your actions on AN/I at this very moment, and you choose to edit in this manner? I really do not want to see you go down in flames, please take a break and re-think your approach here. You are a long time admin., and should DO know better. Take a break or something. With 3 blocks on your record for edit warring, the next one is likely to be much more than a 24 hour block. — Ched :  ?  16:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Ched, we are discussing the matter on the talk page - you are welcome to join in if you choose. That would be a much better way forward than your statement here. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
You are welcome to copy the comment to wherever you think it will do the most good. I just don't want to see people getting blocked over this. — Ched :  ?  17:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Nor do I, but you misunderstand - I would prefer to see you (or any other interested parties) engaging with the issues we are currently discussing on the talk page rather than making statements like the above, which are unlikely to solve the problems being discussed. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
If I see some RfC at WP:CENT then perhaps I will offer my views on infoboxes in the future. — Ched :  ?  17:19, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
An RfC large enough to be advertised as CENT is unlikely to be addressing the issues we're currently discussing at that talk page. Might be a better venue for the larger issue than ANI, though. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
If it's something you're considering, and suggesting we work together on something like that .. sure - I'm willing. Rianna might be a help in that as well. — Ched :  ?  17:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Maybe, but not right now. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Maria Wodzińska

Hello! Your submission of Maria Wodzińska at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Added ref and citation tags. Should be clear now. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Precious again

consistent quality control
Thank you for consistently checking the quality of articles going to the Main page, for taking your time to preview critical ones for those who are afraid, and for your comments in a delete discussion "the principle that while Misplaced Pages is not a social network, it also isn't a soulless machine", "useful for community-building, which is an essential aspect of collaboration", and for mentioning "ideal" in the context! Ideal! - Repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (25 September 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 82nd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

A question

I noticed that you removed my addition to WP:Administrators. Could you please explain why? AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Obviously we don't have the space to include every essay related to adminship (there are a lot!), so we limit it to those like ANOT: extensive guidance supplementary to the main policy, with broad community support. Your petition is a nice idea, but it's not at that level (at least not yet). Nikkimaria (talk) 02:59, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. I must confess I was rather irritated that you removed it, but I am satisfied with your explanation. Do you have any ideas of other places where I might be able to list that essay? AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 03:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
A good place to start might be the "see also" sections of other essays - not sure where you've listed it so far. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:59, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I believe I have listed it in "see also" sections at Misplaced Pages:Arbs are people too and Misplaced Pages:IPs are human too. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 04:07, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 01 April 2013

Invitation to WikiProject Breakfast

Hello, Nikkimaria.

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Mail

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Please respond to the mail off-wiki only. Thanks, Sven Manguard Wha? 05:53, 7 April 2013 (UTC).

Done. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:01, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Kosta Pećanac FAC

Could you take a look and see if your concerns at the Kosta Pećanac FAC review are addressed? --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 01:55, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up...

...you are at 3RR at Planet of the Apes (franchise). Just covering the bases, but it's probably a good idea to point out that it's being discussed at WP:ELN, because just looking at the article it doesn't look like there's any discussion going on, just unexplained reverts. It's probably an even better idea to not get to that point at all, but that's up to you. - SudoGhost 03:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I know, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Maria Wodzińska

Updated DYK queryOn 9 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Maria Wodzińska, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Frédéric Chopin and Napoleon III were both in love with Maria Wodzińska? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Wodzińska. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Admin Nominators

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The Signpost: 08 April 2013

DYK for Fantasy-Sonata (Ireland)

Updated DYK queryOn 10 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fantasy-Sonata (Ireland), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that John Ireland's Fantasy-Sonata was inspired by Satyricon and the composer's wartime evacuation from Jersey? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fantasy-Sonata (Ireland). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Panyd 23:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

FAR

Hi Nikki - I know you're busy with other things, but I just wanted to note that the oldest FARC is yours to close. I'm involved as a reviewer, but personally think it's probably ready to be closed. Dana boomer (talk) 19:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Queue 3 replacement hook?

Nikkimaria, do you think you'll be able to replace the hook you just removed from queue 3, or should I ask for assistance from an admin on WT:DYK? It's especially important that we get a new hook near the top, since the first three hooks in a row are bios, which is not good. (By contrast, queue 4 has no bios whatever, unless you could the horse in the quirky slot.) I was thinking that "Operation Fish" from prep 3 would be a likely choice; it's the right time period, and it's a good enough article to deserve decent placement. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:59, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Copyediting work

Hi Nikkimaria, hope all is well! I saw your name listed at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/volunteers under the "general copyediting" and was wondering if you would be able to copyedit Omak, Washington in preparation for featured article status or such. I've seen your copyedits before (believe you may have done another for me before) and believe that they are good, but if you are too busy or cannot do it at this time, then I understand completely. Thanks very much. TBrandley 02:36, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

...Was this message meant for me or for User:Miniapolis? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:52, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
No, it was actually meant for you but I must got mixed up. Sorry about that. TBrandley 14:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Los Angeles Crusade (1949)

Nikkimaria, can I ask you to please check this article for close paraphrasing, including judging the sentence that was at the center of contention pretty much ever since the initial review? I'd like another pair of eyes to take a look. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Music for a Time of War review

I encountered an error when attempting to update the FUR for the Music for a Time of War album cover for the Music for a Time of War article. Would you mind taking a look at the FA review page when you have a moment? Just trying to address these problems with the hope that the article will be promoted to FA status. Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:50, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Much appreciated! --Another Believer (Talk) 15:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Candle Creek

Nikkimaria, it looks like there was a major paraphrasing done to the PD material in the Kiwalik River article, and some newly added material as well. Can you please check to see whether this satisfies your concerns regarding DYK qualification? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:50, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Nvvchar has also stated that Template:Did you know nominations/Fish River (Alaska) has been similarly upgraded. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 April 2013

Lost/missing article links from course page

Hi Nikkimaria: several of the articles created by my students this semester no longer have functioning links. They were functioning earlier, now broken. The trouble is that students are supposed to write peer reviews by this evening and are unable to access the articles. I will alert them and ask them to go via the user contributions pages, but I hope you fix the links. I will post this same message on Jami's talk page. I hope one of you can fix the broken links. Thank you! 23:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BerikG (talk • contribs)

Hey Berik, I hope Jami can help, because I'm not sure what's going on. You could also ask the students to copy the titles into the search field if that would be easier. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I've replied on Berik's talk page.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 14:16, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Mark Lundy page

Hi Nikkimaria, I have been watching some of the issues regarding the Mark Lundy page, which appears to have major NPOV issues. I have tried to add a bit more balance to the article, for example changing the introduction of Lundy as a prison inmate, to Lundy being a convicted double murderer. Lundy isn't notable for being a prison inmate, but for the double murders for which he was convicted, for example. Kind regards VNTrav (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hartebeest

Nikki, would you mind doing a source review for hartebeest, which is at FAC? The nominator has worked hard on it, but I have doubts about a couple of the sources, and he has made a couple of mistakes in things like moving citations around and placing information in the wrong place that make me suspect he's an interested amateur rather than someone with good background knowledge. That sort of situation sometimes leads to an editor using less than ideal sources, so since you're the best source reviewer I know I thought I would ask for a favour. If you don't have time, no problem, though. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey Mike, it looks like SO has already done a source review - did you want another? On a quick look there are some formatting issues but only one query for reliability - this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:58, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Fish River (Alaska)

As the original reviwer of abovementioned DYK nomination, could you please respond on the nomination page? —♦♦ AMBER 08:48, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013

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Template:Did you know nominations/Los Angeles Crusade (1949)

Nikkimaria, Amberrock has done some edits that seem to take care of Leszek's close paraphrasing, at least the sections you pointed to. Can you please check to see whether that is the case? If there's still more, I think it's time to close it entirely; if the problem has been basically eradicated, then I imagine it's finally ready to go. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Nikkimaria. As it turns out, your review was the straw that broke this camel's back, and I've closed and rejected the nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:52, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Excellent call. I was on the verge of doing that myself yesterday. —♦♦ AMBER 07:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Fish River (Alaska)

Can you please take a look and see whether the recent edits have taken care of the 5x expansion issue? You had noted that previously, due to the PD material and lack of paraphrasing, this did not qualify for DYK. I'd like to have a definitive check on whether it does now. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of content from How I Met Your Mother episode articles

I noticed that you recently deleted large amounts of content from several How I Met Your Mother episode articles (just a few examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7). Some of these were tagged {{Unreferenced}} but many were not. The only comment you left for the removal was a not very explanatory "rm". I'm sure you have a good reason for each of your deletions and I don't mean to question that. Could you please post your reasoning for the deletions to the talk pages of the articles you modified? Otherwise, could you post a link to the talk pages about why the information you deleted is not appropriate for wikipedia articles (copyright protected, not notable, unreferenced content, etc.). I'm concerned that if you don't do this, your changed will be reverted by an uninformed editor, as has happened before (examples: here and here). Thanks! - tucoxn\ 23:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey Tucoxn, WP:MOSTV advises against such content, and most of it is excessive unsourced or poorly sourced original research. If you or others would like to make a case for some of the content specifically, go ahead, but for the most part it's not appropriate for inclusion. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

EliRykellm

EliRykellm (talk · contribs) has been doing wholesale reversion of your removal of OR from How I Met Your Mother articles. After warning them to stop first and discuss, they continued with no response. I blocked them for 12 hours to get their attention and to force discussion. Can you look in and see whether they'll respond to you? I see there's been some discussion with another user above. Acroterion (talk) 01:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Huh. I'm not sure that's the approach I would have taken, but I've posted on their talk page. I'm kind of confused by their contribs history - they came back from a four-year break to revert? Beginning with an article that was created well after they stopped editing? Something seems weird there. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Sadly, it's not as weird as you might think. I've seen this far too often in TV series related articles. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
It was sufficiently strange that I believed blocking was warranted (as essentially disruptive editing), and I'd have been happy to unblock if they'd shown any willingness to pause and/or discuss, but they did neither. Acroterion (talk) 11:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
How I Met Your Mother fans (one especially) can be pretty rabid about "their" episode articles. There's a lot of resistance to building encyclopaedic episode articles; instead they prefer to fill them with issues like continuity (which affects every TV series), "cultural references" and other non-notable (and usually unsourced) trivia and OR, thinking that a single reference from somebody who watched the episode is enough to establish notability. It's not at all uncommon for episode articles to be created with little or no content in them. Editors have already decided there will be an article, regardless of whether or not the episode meets notability guidelines. I tried cleaning up P.S. I Love You (How I Met Your Mother), the edit history shows the opposition. --AussieLegend (✉) 21:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I actually reverted because as a new comer to the show How I Met Your Mother I found the continuity sections rather interesting. Then all of a sudden they were deleted and I wanted to finish reading them. I then came to find out that the "administrators" of this website take it way to seriously. I hope "policing" Misplaced Pages is a great lifestyle choice for yall. Have your episode pages however you want them. I'm done with this website; I enjoy spending my time with real life human beings. Later! EliRykellm (talk) 02:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Improve before a review

I agree with your expression better improve before a review. Look at the edit that I reverted and you reverted back. Instead of internationally known abbreviations of instruments, that are explained and linked to a table of instruments which supplies links for most of them (only few a red links), instead of a wealth of information that is, you now get a list of instruments in Italian, without links, without specifying the language as Italian, without arranging them as a Plainlist or Flatlist as the instructions request. The reader is left alone with a term like "tromba". I fail to see the improvement. I don't even see quality. (I discussed this with the changing editor on his talk and at the template talk, I don't want to repeat the details here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Gerda - would you prefer omitting that listing entirely? After all, the discussion found a fairly strong consensus not to use those abbreviations. Or perhaps you could link the instrument names if you like. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

ps: I cant agree with your edit summary for this revert because you didn't leave one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

In this edit you undid the contribution of another editor without an edit summary. You are experienced enough to know that such action is reserved for indisputable vandalism only. This was not vandalism and your action was extraordinarily rude, not least when you consider that the editor you insulted is one of the kindest, gentlest Wikipedians editing today. You really owe her an apology. --RexxS (talk) 11:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm afraid I can't agree with most of your statement. Certainly it wasn't vandalism, but the default edit summary was in this case an accurate expression of my edit and didn't (IMO) make any judgement of her edit - it wasn't rollback or Twinkle, both of which do so. After all, you had previously objected to "rm", which would also be an accurate description of the edit. (Your somewhat one-sided language policing does rather limit options). I'd be happy to discuss the edit with Gerda if she wishes, although I'm not sure we can come to much agreement given her comment above and previous complaints about the topic in general. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:31, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, Nikki, but that's really unacceptable. You've been editing for over seven years now and you cannot simply claim that you've never read the injunction at the top of the page whenever you use the undo function:
If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary. Do not use the default message only.

You know as well as any experienced editor that undoing with the default edit message is for vandalism only and implicitly casting Gerda's good-faith efforts to improve an article as vandalism is beyond the pale. Whether or not anyone agrees that a good-faith edit is actually an improvement, it can never be vandalism. If you cast your mind back, I have complained in the past when you have reverted other editors' work with an edit summary of "cleanup". It was not my intention that you should switch to leaving no edit summary at all. When an editor has spent time and effort in making a contribution, it is appallingly uncollegiate to throw it out without even taking a few moments to explain why. --RexxS (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Fine. I will use a different edit summary on the next occasion, and we will agree to disagree on exactly what behaviour counts as "appallingly uncollegiate". Nikkimaria (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Nikki, I have no problem with that. --RexxS (talk) 15:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how to react, because you combined two independent entries. For the Bach cantata edit, I need more time to explain than I have right now. For the infobox on the church, which my edit summary when I entered it had marked as "start infobox" (stress on "start"), I would like to discuss, yes please. I don't know what in my statement above could be interpreted as "complaint". It's simply fact that the edit to BWV 103 is not properly formatted (details above), and misses the number of violin parts. Please see the talk of the template for now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm watching. So since consensus regarding abbreviations is against you, which of the following would you prefer: removing the instrumentation entirely; simplifying (to something like "instrumental ensemble" or similar); linking and flatlisting the list of instrument names. I'd prefer option 2, but I'd be happy to accommodate whichever of those you might like (keeping in mind that there have been objections to #3 from others in the discussion). (By the way, while you're here - are you aware of WP:CITEVAR?). Nikkimaria (talk) 13:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
(ec) Repeating: I have no time to discuss the cantatas now, it's too complex and has no easy solution, none of the three you suggest. - I am interested in a "late" explanation of your revert of a start of the church infobox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Okay, let me know when you have time - in the interim, though, you shouldn't be reverting if you don't have time to discuss. Your infobox has already been edit-warred in without any discussion, as usual, so I guess you'll be happy with that. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Define happy. Hearing "edit-warred", I am not happy. To avoid a next time, I would like to know why you reverted, and why you reverted without leaving a hint of explanation, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
This still being open, I see you changing Bach cantatas. Please keep in mind, that for all of them, the English translation is only a translation, not a title, no italics please. The individual instruments are of prime importance for Bach, who assigned a specific character to recorder, trumpet, oboe d'amore, you name it, - they should not be reduced to "instruments" (under the edit summary "cleanup"). Please use the Flatlist template for multiple entries on one parameter in the infobox, as the documentation requests. The term "four-voice choir" is not necessarily SATB (could be TTBB, for example), I would not use it, especially as there is an article to the more precise SATB that can be linked without a pipe. Happy cleanup, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps you will go through and fix the italics on the other articles, as there are several that already used that formatting before I edited them. As to individual instruments, they are listed in the body of the article, as appropriate; as has been pointed out in several discussions now, the infobox is meant to be a quick summary, and long lists do not contribute to that goal. I did ask you to clarify your wishes earlier, but you declined to do so. Unfortunately, my ESP skills are poor ;-) so I rely on my own judgement. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry that you had to read my mind, because I had work other than wiki for most of the day. If you say nothing more about the scoring than soloists - choir - instruments, you can drop it altogether because that is what makes a cantata a cantata. The specific thing about Bach's cantatas is which individual instruments he uses for what text and occasion, as in said in the DYK hook for BWV 76. Why not say that precisely? - Yes, some cantatas are more advanced than others, I go over one a week, no more. - Thanks for cleanup, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Your latest edit summary "per gerda" for a complete removal of the scoring is amusing ;) What "gerda" would like:

  • list the scoring, that's the music, it has a paragraph that should appear in the infobox
  • list voices in one line, I thought about it, will propose, please wait
  • list all instruments in all Bach cantatas (and the Passion and the Mass in B minor) because that's where the cantatas differ, I tried to find a short way, - if that is not acceptable, I need to think and then discuss a better way (that will be longer), please wait

Looking at the history of BWV 22, at the moment, the reader gets "instruments", before, he got "instruments: abbreviations", forgive me that I believe that was more informative. Please wait, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

ps: call it ownership: I am passionately attached to BWV 76 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, you did say above I should "drop it altogether". I'm not sure I understand - you want a "paragraph" to appear in the infobox? As per MOS:INFOBOX, shorter is better. I know you would prefer to have all your articles your way, but that might not be able to happen. I've reacted to several of your concerns, but this is about compromise not capitulation. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, I better stop sarcasm, - I added to the template docu and discussion now. Peace music: all the best for your FAC, and nice to share the present DYK set with yours, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I replied at the template talk. - I didn't mention there that the present scoring in the infobox ignores the request in the documentation (second line) that the list should be a template list (as any list in any infobox), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
@Nikki--if that's not a supreme case of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Also, ou're the one following her around, not vice versa.PumpkinSky talk 12:38, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Do not remove categories under discussion

The heading on a category under discussion has this statement "Please do not empty the category or remove this notice while the discussion is in progress." Removing Stephen Crane from Category:American men novelists was clearly an act of emptying a category under discussion. Crane is clearly a man, a novelist and an American. There was no reason to remove him from the category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

There was no reason to add him to the category. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:10, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Nikki, I know it's a lot to ask, but do you have the time to review the references? Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 10:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it tomorrow. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't remove my comments

RE dont' remove my comments again. PumpkinSky talk 13:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

PSky, it was an edit conflict, I didn't see your comment. Could you please tone it down and stop being so hostile? We're all trying to improve the article here, and your personal comments really aren't constructive. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Neither is your crusade on infoboxes and continued edit warring and following people around. But you two do what you want on FK. I've taken it off my watchlist. And don't you see the notice that pops up on the screen?PumpkinSky talk 13:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Case in point. I'd love to debate the issue with you, but we can't talk when you're going to be personalizing everything and hurling rhetoric around. It's about the article and the readers, and you flouncing isn't going to help those. Could you please just calm down and discuss the issues constructively? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nikkimaria. You've once again removed part of someone's post, which I have now restored. These edit conflict problems can be avoided by using the "show changes" button; it makes it obvious when you have removed someone's edit. -- Dianna (talk) 14:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I sometimes use preview, but not usually that button. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I gotta be honest, I always use that button, and sometimes forget to preview. Just try to be more cautious here please. Talk about pushing buttons, poor Pumpkin Sky is getting a little stressed :/ -- Dianna (talk) 14:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't use either of those button; I just hit save. But if I get an edit conflict I can swipe back through several screens and then hit save. So was probably my fault for doing that - I suspect it wiped out the interim comments. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Martha Bratton

Updated DYK queryOn 28 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Martha Bratton, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that during the American Revolution, Martha Bratton stuck her son in a chimney and tried to blow up the British? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Martha Bratton. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Inter-wiki welcome

Nikkimaria, Welcome to Wikisource and it was very nice to meet you at the GLAMWiki Boot Camp yesterday! I have taken the liberty of fixing your interwiki link on your new userpage ;-) (I also just discovered that {{Cross-wiki diff}} does not work with wikisource!).--Doug. 21:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Prudence Wright

Updated DYK queryOn 29 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Prudence Wright, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that during the American Revolution Prudence Wright led a militia of pitchfork-bearing women to arrest her brothers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Prudence Wright. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

"Any chance of an associated image?"

LOL. Ed  02:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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British Museum

Please ask first before moving all the pages for a project you have had no involvement with (AFAIK). Johnbod (talk) 14:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I was asked to unabbreviate all the GLAM pages, particularly that one. Is there a reason you feel that shouldn't be done? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
By who? I already protested when someone else did the BL ones. It makes the pages more of a pain for those who actually use them, for no great gain in clarity. "BM" is very widely understood over here. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Another Believer and Klortho - they were working on moving/categorizing pages and asked for admin assistance in dealing with subpages efficiently. I get that BM is recognized in the UK, but GLAM is meant to be a global project, right? And it's good to be consistent in how those pages are named. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
There's the unpleasant association with "BM" - shorthand for bowel movement - I don't know how common that abbreviation is in Britain, but it's the first thing I think of when I hear "BM". Another aspect we were talking about is that GLAM volunteers may want to show potential new partners these pages, and making page titles nice and clear would be a benefit there. The Interior (Talk) 15:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
No we don't use that at all! Johnbod (talk) 16:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
"We" = WP:GLAM/Boot Camp. Ed  15:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I hope it won't be like the last NY one which imposed a dreadful US-centric design on the main GLAM pages, and I'm not sure achieved much else. At least that one had some international participation. GLAM Is indeed a "global project" and a handful of people in the US ought to be careful about making sweeping changes to pages relating to projects elsewhere. Johnbod (talk) 16:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
That's true, but at the same time I think you'll agree that the GLAM pages are horribly decentralized onto multiple pages and wikis, and some tidying is in order. :-) Ed  23:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Smithsonian project page names

Thanks for making the names of those GLAM-related projects a bit clearer... What do you think of my proposal at Misplaced Pages talk:GLAM/Smithsonian Institution#Let's move project pages and categories to standard names? Mostly looking to drop the "-related" from the project category names. Disavian (talk) 19:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I think User:Another Believer was looking at reorganizing GLAM-related categories - maybe give him a ping about it. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Did so. Thanks for the pointer. :) Disavian (talk) 06:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

lead

re: Leningrad première of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7. I saw a post regarding the lead. I wasn't real sure about some of the commas there, but given the reason to "pause" in the discussion - I didn't change anything. I always respect the original author's intent. So in the end, I think it's a beautiful article, and I thank you for all that work. I admit that the topic is not my forte, but a friend or two asked that I have a look and offer a supportive word. You do good work Nikki ... thank you for your efforts. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  07:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

re: Hemingway cats

You may want to read this: Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion, specifically "Unless the change is non-controversial (such as vandalism or a duplicate), please do not remove the category from pages before the community has made a decision.". Adding a cat, but not being allowed to delete it, it standard practice, and not gaming the system. Adding cats is allowed so that people can see the full potential scope of a category, especially one nominated for deletion - deleting is disallowed for the same reason (if the cat is deleted by consensus, it will be removed automatically) Best regards, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. Saying that a category can be added but not removed is absolutely gaming, because it does not allow for the normal consensus-seeking process. You made an edit, it was reverted, you need to allow time for discussion. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Did you actually read the guidance? Have you participated in CfD discussions before? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:47, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes and yes. Have you actually read WP:BRD, the page you cited incorrectly to kick this off? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
let's just centralize this then at Hemingway.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

TFA

Hi Nikki, congrats on the TFA -- very happy to be sharing a small part of the front page with you... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Ian! Nikkimaria (talk) 04:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Excellent article, thank you! Minor point: the picture on the left, right under a heading, as in "Effects", should be avoided, according to the MOS, - but now TFA does it every day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Nakimu Caves

Updated DYK queryOn 1 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nakimu Caves, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the "nakimu" in Nakimu Caves means "grumbling spirits" in Shuswap? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nakimu Caves. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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2012 tour of She Has a Name

Hi Nikki,

It was great to meet you this past weekend. You asked me to let you know when I initiated my next FAC. I just did so here. Any constructive comments you are willing to provide there would be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 20:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Modern skin

I hope it's better now for you, I added some english wikipedia specific 'quickfixes', until the time arrives that the devs get it fixed. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Cool, at least the thing sort of works now, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Precise

I like this improvement. Please act on it. The single instrumental parts need to appear, - if the list is too long, they can be abbreviated ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

No, they don't. We've been over this already. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Define "we". Voceditenore and I know that they have to appear as substantial information from the article (and I could find a few other people, if you need it). The only question is how they can appear best, you know that we are working on it. Until we found a better solution, the list with all links seems the most precise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I know you're working on not addressing concerns. There is no "have to appear", Gerda. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
You know more than I do then. The individual instrumentation of the cantatas is the distinction between them, yes, it has to appear, the infobox should reflect the important facts from the article, that s my concern. Did you read life is too short? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, not everything can or should be in a box. I know you feel differently, so I've tried multiple ways at compromising and addressing your concerns - but so far you and your compatriots have seemed more interested in reverting. Remember, I told you, compromise not capitulation. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
You are so right, not everything belongs in a box. For a piece of music, the essential information about the music (!) should go in the box. For Bach cantatas, that is the scoring. It doesn't take room in the article that would not be white space otherwise. I confess that I have no clue what your interest is. Mine is to represent Bach's music as well as I can. (Please tell me what "compatriots" means.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
ps: look, with thanks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
pps: you saw what Bach thought about the importance of the instruments, original title for example "Concerto a 1 Oboe, 2 Violini, 2 Viole, Fagotto è 4 Voci coll' Organo", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I do wish people wouldn't treat the infobox as some sort of important summary of the article. It's a superficial and reductive presentation of 'select' information. Hell, the infobox isn't event mandatory. -- Ohconfucius  10:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Request for help?

Thank you for your helpful comments and suggestions on cleanup at the FAC for Freedom for the Thought That We Hate.

Perhaps you could help a bit? I'll do my best to address your concerns, but after that I might need some more specific pointers on where to fix up the formatting issues.

Thanks again for your helpful suggestions on this important topic related to freedom of speech, — Cirt (talk) 19:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but let's centralize this at the review page - post any questions you might have over there. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Sure, I've been trying to focus on your helpful recommendations and editing the article to address those. I'm almost done but might be a few more hours. — Cirt (talk) 02:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Update: I've posted a response at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Freedom for the Thought That We Hate/archive1.

Thanks again for the helpful recommendations, we've made changes to address them, and I believe the article is much better for it.

— Cirt (talk) 04:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Update: Added responses to your 2nd set of recommendations. I agree the article is looking better thanks to your help! Thanks again, — Cirt (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your great suggestions, we've made a bit of changes to address them, and also done several passes of copyediting. Care to have another look and perhaps reevaluate your position at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Freedom for the Thought That We Hate/archive1? :) — Cirt (talk) 01:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Update: Neelix (talk · contribs) made some really great recommendations and I've gone ahead and implemented all of those suggestions. Perhaps you could reevaluate your position on the article? — Cirt (talk) 05:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Hey Cirt, I'll drop by again after Tony's comments have been addressed - he's raising some more issues with prose. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, that sounds like a good plan. :) I'll get right on addressing those. Sometimes in my past FAC noms Tony1 (talk · contribs) opposes right away, so it's encouraging he didn't do that and just left some helpful comments, instead. :) His remark at the end of his comments, "Nice to see one of our main experts in the US Supreme Court preparing a nom.", also was motivational for me to go ahead and address things in the hope this FAC nom might actually make it! :) Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Update: Okay, I've gone ahead and implemented all the suggested changes made by Tony1 (talk · contribs). I happened to agree with all of those recommendations so I just incorporated all of them. Hope you're doing well, — Cirt (talk) 15:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and implemented all the helpful suggestions, by Neelix (talk · contribs), at the FAC. I also trimmed one of the images from the image check by Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs). Perhaps you can check back and reevaluate your position? Thank you for your time, — Cirt (talk) 18:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Update: Could you please have another look at Freedom for the Thought That We Hate? I've left some updates at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Freedom for the Thought That We Hate/archive1. I went back through your comments and incorporated more of your suggestions and those of others. The article now includes only two (2) quoted sentences in its entirety. Perhaps it is now up to a level where you could reassess your position at the FAC? — Cirt (talk) 01:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

I appreciate the time you spent to comment at the FAC for Fort Yellowstone.--MONGO 02:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

No accessdates for gbooks

Hi there - I saw your summary note for Friedrich Wilhelm Rust‎. Must say, I wasn't aware about dropping accessdates for gbooks. Will try and remember to delete that in the future as it's an autopopulated field in the gbooks citation tool which I use. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I know, and it shouldn't be - GBooks are (almost always) digital versions of print books rather than independent web sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Just saw this .... if this is the case now (It is what I do anyways) we should talk to someone about removing the parameter from Google book tool and Misplaced Pages:RefToolbar/1.0. The tools are used thousands of times a day - thus we will never catch up if the tools are not fixed...loosing battle that we should address.Moxy (talk) 17:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Bradbourne Priory

Could you please revisit this page and say whether you feel all concerns have been adequately addressed? This nomination has been gathering dust for quite some time now. It would be much appreciated if you could come take a look! —♦♦ AMBER 11:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I think given this an entirely new reviewer would be preferable. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
It's difficult to find new reviewers for rather old DYK nominations. For a smooth and timely handling of the case, in this case it might be useful if you stay on. I have brought these weird attribution disclaimers to the attention of the nominator. Let's see how he responds now.—♦♦ AMBER 19:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I guess we'll see, but I don't have great expectations. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Obiwankenobi

Stop reverting without discussion. It's rude and dismissive. I've made my case but you And truth seeker haven't made yours. You can't say take it to talk and then not go to talk.

Get over your wp:own issues and bring a logical guidance based argument - otherwise Stop reverting. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

No, you stop. There are hundreds of kilobytes of discussion about this all over the wiki, and it's eminently clear that there is no consensus to do much of anything at the moment. Your revert warring is doing a lot of damage, so we need to discuss first, slow things down, talk it out like reasonable human beings. Better yet, why don't you devote this time to working on that category-intersection thing? That looked like a viable idea. In the meantime, if you need a policy-based argument, here one is: WP:CONSENSUS. It's against you, whether you agree with it or not. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Nikki that is a passive aggressive argument. You've reverted 3 times since April 30 but you haven't said a single word on talk. I'm there and have laid out my case. where is yours? The last word in WP:BRD is discuss, but you're just silently reverting. Not acceptable. If you have a good argument why Hemingway is either not a man or not a 20th century novelist please bring it to talk. There are not any discussions anywhere on the wiki that I've see that dispute the validity of the by-century cats like Category:20th-century American novelists, so you're gravely mistaken, And the Category:American men novelists cat cannot be removed from an article currently under discussion - you should know this - and truthseeker has already been warned of same on her talk page by experienced admin (brownhairedgirl). So if you wanna to talk, talk - but otherwise plz go away and cut out the passive aggressive silent reverts. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
First off, try getting her name right. As I've already explained, your assertion regarding the men cat is contrary to policy, and there's plenty of discussion elsewhere to explain why keeping the more general categories is a valid approach. Given the obvious tension surrounding this issue, it would be best to determine what categories the article should have on talk before applying them. As for discussion, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I "haven't said a single word on talk" from - even a cursory glance there will show that to be false. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Nikki you've reverted twice since April 30 and have made zero posts to talk since the 30th. Therefore

You're engaging in passive aggressive revert behavior - exhorting me to go to talk But not deigning to show up there yourself. Thus, kindly stop - if you have an argument With the cats I've added, make your case, don't just blindly revert.

Secondly, please rename this Section Header, it is demeaning and gives an impression That this is how I named the section for people who don't read edit history. It's also childish, and For someone with a mop I expect more maturity. Please rename to something neutral.

--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Obiwan, there is an ongoing discussion at talk in which three editors, including myself, have objected to all or part of your changes to categories. Whether I respond to every post of yours there or not, consensus is currently against you, so you shouldn't be trying to push your changes through again, and it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that your changes are reverted. Nor should you have been changing comments by other people or reverting me on my own talk page, but as a show of good faith I've changed the header. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thanks. For another show of good faith, show up at the talk page and make your case. Your last revert

Removed a category you yourself had added a few days earlier so it's completely Nonsensical and I feel like you're not even reading diffs. Plz propose the set of cats You accept, those you dont, and reasons why. Silent reverts helps nothing. If you don't show up At talk, I will assume silence is consent. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 22:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I would prefer you actually read what I wrote. I read the diff, and I agree with TK that it's preferable to go back to the status quo while discussions everywhere are ongoing. That's why I reverted both your edit and my own. For now, given the broader discussions going on, it would be better to hash things out at a meta-level first and leave the articles alone until our approach has been solidified. The status quo will do for now. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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BWV 37

You read Bach cantata and know that they typically rely on three types of text, contemporary poetry, Bible text and chorale. Which amount in a specific cantata, is important, believe me. I will update the infobox documentation, but not now. Can you can tell me a better way than naming the movements with Bible text and chorale, and more precision than naming the specific passage and chorale? Please improve, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

BWV 103: you collapsed, again, knowing that I am against collapsing of infoboxes. Where is your problem? That infobox is not long, and doesn't moving a picture out of context. - Some authors like infoboxes on "their" articles collapsed, - I respect that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
BWV 76: In that case your collapsing creates whitespace,- please explain why you want the poor reader to click once more to get vital information, text and music??? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
BWV 87: I read "solo voices: A T B • 2 oboes ..." - if you don't explain by adding "instruments:" before "2 oboes", it looks misleading, if you do, it's longer than |vocal= and |instrumental=. This is tomorrows cantata, I will revert as not convinced it's an improvement. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, I'm trying to find a way to compromise between what we want. Not everything is important, not everything can be explained well or precisely in a box. We can certainly discuss a different way of compromising, but simply reverting doesn't accomplish that. I've changed the order on 87 to address your concern. The list on 103 is quite long, so collapsing is a good compromise; otherwise, I'd suggest removing the list entirely, as this article is about structure, not the piece as a whole - the table one screen down gives a much more precise overview of instrumentation. On 76, the uncollapsed box displaces a section heading and causes sandwiching of text with the next seciton; the whitespace with the collapse is minimal and much less concerning. On 37, sure: a better way would be to explain it in the article. You just added that template today, and the article was better without it. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I am not "simply reverting", I explained above. I am ready to discuss, but it's hard to see you changing things in many articles that you seem not to to understand. Please say whom you mean in "we want". I am dealing with Bach cantatas for three years now, I don't try to put "everything" in the infobox", but the vital information on text and music should appear and be visible. - I don't find any Bach cantata infobox long, compared to politicians. I don't see a problem with a section header (sandwiching a picture would be different). I said before that I don't think collapsing (other than a long list for one parameter) is any good, it's no service to the reader to ask him for an extra click to see something hidden. I have a hard time to accept it in articles of others, much harder in those close to my heart. Do you understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
You said: "I've changed the order on 87 to address your concern." - Sorry, it doesn't work. The standard order is solo voices - choir - orchestra. To mention the choir first was my compromise. To go further as you did and mention the oboes first doesn't make any sense, actually it looks unprofessional. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Actually, solo - choir - orchestra would also address your concern that a reader might think an oboe was a voice. Why don't we do that, then? Or we could change "solo voice" to "solo vocal". I'm not sure why mentioning choir first would be a compromise, given that it doesn't actually fix anything, so if you prefer the other way that's fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, Gerda, I understand that you have a hard time accepting anything other than what you want. You've made that abundantly clear. However, what I don't think you understand is that you are already getting almost everything you want. I would much prefer that most of the cantata articles not have any infoboxes at all, because pretty much every example I've looked at is misleading, confusing, or otherwise problematic. The only reason I haven't gone through and removed all of them is because I respect that you like them. So I'm trying to find a way to improve a poor medium, to compromise with you. I've tried many many different approaches at doing that, and almost every effort you have reverted or denigrated. You've also reverted improvements unrelated to the infobox, with no explanation. So yes, Gerda, you are simply reverting, and yes, you are trying to fill pretty much every parameter that infobox has. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry you see it this way. I think an infobox is a good medium, and if we don't add one, others do. Look what you get if you "google" Bach or Carmen. You go through all Bach cantatas before the discussion on the template talk is even finished, why? - Order: in a vocal work, you mention voices first and separate. Changes to your changes are in order, please consider to do so yourself, I did it for the two of today, fifth Sunday after Easter, called Rogate. In an opera, you don't list an orchestral oboe first, even if it may play a solo in an aria. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Changes made. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)ank you,
Thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you watch Template talk:Infobox Bach composition? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Peace music

Congrats to having it featured! Well deserved, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

My apologies

Sorry about the pronoun mistake.

Perhaps you might be interested, I've been thinking about a new quality improvement project next — an intersection between women and the category Category:Free speech activists.

I looked through the category and Judith Krug looks like a good one for quality improvement, what do you think? — Cirt (talk) 20:17, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries, it happens (and around here "user = male" is more often than not the correct assumption). I'd imagine there'd be a lot of articles needing improvement in that area, but Krug looks like as good a place to start as any. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah, glad you agree Judith Krug could use some improvements. :) Perhaps you might be interested on a collaboration project? — Cirt (talk) 20:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Sure. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

3RR

I'm not going to template a regular who is normally a solid contributor, but you have almost violated 3RR here. I'm concerned that you seem to be deliberately collapsing or removing scoring information from these infoboxes and are claiming some sort of consensus exists where I see an ongoing debate with at least 4 or 5 different people all having slightly different nuanced positions. I'm rather tired of infobox wars (infoboxes are good in general, should contain proper documentation for the user to get a quick glance, and "seaofblue" isn't relevant in an infobox, that's a text issue) so I'm not going to be arguing with you a lot about this, but it seems you are rather determined to try and derail the work of a solid content editor for whom I have considerable respect and I do wish you'd stop. Montanabw 21:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no intention of violating anything. I've already pointed out that your reading of various discussions on the matter has been less than accurate, but I also don't want to argue with you about it, as it's fairly clear we're not going to agree. However, let me just say this: I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved (and there's a conversation above that might provide some background for you). In my opinion, you don't appear to be doing the same. I understand the urge to defend a friend, but I wish you'd stop - you're not helping matters. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
RE-"I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved" - I don't see how when you continue in edit warring to the limit on multiple articles with multiple editors over a long period of time in your war upon infoboxes until others give up and leave it in the form you want. You've been around plenty long enough to what karma brings in such a case. And admins should know better, they are not immune. PumpkinSky talk 22:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Never claimed to be immune, Pumpkin, but you're not seeing everything. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and you are? Hardly. But that's okay because you know that John Lennon song, "Instant Karma's gonna get you", and the best part is I won't have to do a single thing. You can't escape karma. PumpkinSky talk 02:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Leningrad première of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7

Four Award
Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Leningrad première of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)