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Franz Kafka

Hi Misza13. In the page about Franz Kafka:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Franz_Kafka

...in the first line, it says:

Franz Kafka (22 B.C.E –3 June 3014) . . .

This must be an error, unless it is a reference to something implied, but not mentioned.

Regards

D. Westh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.198.83.181 (talk) 19:03, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

It's been fixed. Please note that the best place to raise issues like this is the article's talk page, Talk:Franz Kafka; more so because Misza13 (talk · contribs) isn't very active these days. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Not archiving articles signed with Template:Unsigned?

I have such messages on my talk page. They are dated, but I guess the bot doesn't like how it is done? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:48, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Looks like it. I suggest you edit one of the timestamps to match the usual date format for signatures, and see if the bot springs into life. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:14, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I think that two factors combine to defeat MiszaBot. One is the timestamp being inside the </span>, the other is the lack of a time zone. At Talk:Rupert Murdoch, I'm presently waiting to see if this edit works, since this one didn't. I had already determined with this edit that merely moving the timestamp was insufficient, but subsequently doing this then worked. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

MiszaBot II archiving current RfC

Hi. This archiving of a current RfC has been undone and removed from Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for adminship/Archive 222. I hope that's OK. -- Trevj (talk) 06:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The bot only looks at signature timestamps; it knows nothing about RFCs. I've added a {{DNAU}} to the section to delay its archiving. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. I've amended the date, now it's closed. -- Trevj (talk) 11:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Archiving of pages in the "Module talk" namespace

About a month ago two new namespaces were added to the English Misplaced Pages, "Module" and "Module talk". While I do not currently see a need for any of the Miszabots to archive anything in the Module namespace, it would be nice if discussions in Module talk could be handled by the bots. Would it be possible to add Module talk to one of the bots' list of coverage? --Allen3 12:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

MiszaBot II and headers inside template.

Hi, MiszaBot II moved part of a discussion, because it didn't know a ==notes== header was inside a {{markup}} template and thought it was another section/discussion, as you can see here; the section is named "About references in templates". I think it should first search for headers inside such templates. I reverted the missing text move of that section. --KDesk (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

As advised by {{markup}}, you should use {{fake heading}} to avoid it being treated as a real section heading. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Archive prevention didn't work

With this edit MiszaBot I archived the thread "Misplaced Pages:Today's articles for improvement on Main page" on Talk:Main Page, even though it had a future timestamp, per the bot's FAQ. (I had used {{subst:bump}} to add the future timestamp) - Evad37 (talk) 03:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

From User:MiszaBot/Archive FAQ, Q5: "Note however, that if multiple timestamps appear on a single line, only the first one is read." {{Bump}} produces two timestamps, of which the first is the current date/time attached to the user's signature, and the second is the {{DNAU}} future timestamp. Per the FAQ, the bot only read the first timestamp and ignored the second, future timestamp. TL;DR: {{Bump}} doesn't work. Use {{DNAU}} directly instead. jcgoble3 (talk) 05:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, that explains it. I've fixed {{Bump}} by adding a line break after the user signature, so it should work now. - Evad37 (talk)

Bot failing when encountering blacklisted EL

See this edit. The bot deleted the threads from the talk page but failed to save the threads anywhere. When I undid the bot's deletion the spam filter would not let me save the undo due to an external link being placed on the blacklist. I altered the offending EL and saved the undo and will let the bot try archiving again.

What can be done to prevent this in the future? I would suggest the bot make the save to the archive first, and upon being rejected by the spam filter then no deletion is made from the talk page in the first place (because the spam filter would also disallow the bot to undo the original deletion from the talk page without fixing the blacklisted EL -- as it did to me). Or, upon the bot's edit being denied by the spam filter, the bot reports the edit to the talk page so a human can make the correction.

Thoughts? Rgrds. --64.85.217.134 (talk) 08:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Not good. Seems like a reasonable plan to fix. And speaking of bump (above),

Bumping thread for 30 days. Elvey (talk) 03:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

--Elvey (talk) 03:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Source code

Hi Misza13! I'm investigating all the things that would be important when archiving pages in general, and then I stumbled upon your page. I was wondering whether you by any chance provide the source code of your bot? Regards. -- Edinwiki (talk) 00:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

MiszaBot II seems to be archiving WP:ANI sections too soon

Misza13, I am contacting you in regards to MiszaBot II's archiving of the WP:ANI page. There was a discussion that was still in progress that was near the top of the list, and the discussion never closed, specifically discussions like this one. No action was taken as it should have, and I would be under the assumption that this has been forgotten, since it is no longer on the WP:ANI main page. I'm not sure if this method is some sort of consensus-agreed method, but I do not see how archiving a discussion that has yet to complete on WP:ANI can be considered anything other than disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Steel1943. MiszaBot works by date, and does not understand whether the thread is closed. If you check the timestamps, it seems that more than 36 hours have passed since the last edit to this thread (at 00:37 on 13 April). Hence MiszaBot followed its instructions by archiving it at 14:35 on 14 April. I suggest that you manually copy the thread back into ANI. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

You will need to add a fresh timestamp to the thread, otherwise the bot will archive it again quickly. You can use {{DNAU}} or {{Bump}} for this. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, 00:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)+36 hours = 12:37, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

You can verify the maximum time that a thread can be left before MiszaBot archives it. Edit the original page (Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents) and locate the {{User:MiszaBot/config}} template. Look for the |algo= parameter; in this case it's |algo=old(36h) which means that threads will be archived where the most recent timestamp is more than 36 hours earlier.

More at User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello to everyone who responded. These responses actually slightly stray from my question. My question actually is: Is it plausable for Miszabot II to recognize some sort of archive banner template on the section prior to archiving (as well as the time restraint), or does that seem like too much and could possibly "clog up" the WP:ANI thread? Steel1943 (talk) 09:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, {{DNAU}}. Wish that could be automated though ... looks like a thread was archived too early due to not having that template. Steel1943 (talk) 09:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Can MiszaBot list last contributor to talk page?

As seen here (Commons), the previous edit is mentioned by the bot in the edit summary. This is really neat. Do you think MiszaBot could do this? Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 04:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Headers in pre tags are part of an earlier section

In MiszaBot II archived what appeared to be a section with header == *DYNAMIC SECTION TITLE THAT WILL BE PASSED AS A VARIABLE* ==

But the header code was inactivated by being in <pre>...</pre> and was actually part of an earlier section. The <pre> tag was not archived so the page was misformatted afterwards. I have fixed the page and archive. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Bot not entering b in change log

Your bot doesn't appear to be entering 'mb' in its signature but only 'm'. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

According to the history of that talk page, Miszabot has created "Archive 48". That archive does indeed exist. But there is no trace of any archive on the actual talk page, and the "48" is obviously rogue as the archive has "threads" back to 2004 and there is no archive 47. ?!?!? --Sussexonian (talk) 14:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I've moved the archive and fixed up the configuration at the top of the talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was due to this edit, which has |counter=48 not |counter=1 --Redrose64 (talk) 15:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Miszabot confuses me

The account User:MiszaBot appears to be blocked, with bots I, II, and III (wow, I never expected to write III|III]]) doing the work...but a lot of the documentation is hosted at the "old" bot page. It's strange because if you attempt to comment on, say, the FAQ, you get a "user is blocked" red box. Also, the Miszabot page has one of those bot shutdown buttons, suggesting it's a real bot. I figured it out but maybe it's suboptimal organization? On a related note, you may want to register/redirect/block the accounts User:Miszabot I, User:Miszabot II, and User:Miszabot III? WP:BEANS, but they seem tempting targets. (Maybe accounts with "bot" are autoprevented somehow.) -- stillnotelf is invisible 16:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, MiszaBot (talk · contribs) is blocked (here's the full log) but that doesn't imply that MiszaBot I (talk · contribs) MiszaBot II (talk · contribs) and MiszaBot III (talk · contribs) should necessarily be blocked as well. Have those malfunctioned in any way? Also, I don't know what you mean about MiszaBot I/II/III not being registered: they must be (and in fact they are), because they would not be able to edit otherwise. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't mean to at all imply that I, II, and III should be blocked! My confusion is that User:MiszaBot, which hosts a lot of documentation for bots I, II, and III, IS blocked, but its page behaves as if it's a fully functioning bot - big shutoff button, use of present tense, listed as having active tasks...). I think I, II, and III should continue as-is, but maybe User:MiszaBot should be tweaked to indicate its historical / documentation status and clarify it is no longer an active bot (and perhaps won't be again). For the second point - notice the capitalizations. My reference to WP:BEANS is the fact that I was relucant to spell out that User:Miszabot I (notice the case, and no it is not registered at this time) would be an attractive account for a vandal, since it looks a lot like a respected account, and could be used for subtle vandalism without attracting notice. -- stillnotelf is invisible 18:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, can someone explain why it still masquerades as a fully functioning bot, or suggest what should be done about the confusion? See: User_talk:Fluffernutter#MiszaBot_confusion. Perhaps we just tweak the page to indicate that I, II, and III, do the work as MiszaBot itself was malfunctioning and remains blocked.--Elvey (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I've been bold following feedback from the blocker and the above discussion.

Bots I, II, and III are active~~, but Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard is not being archived; I wonder how widespread the problem is~~.--Elvey (talk) 18:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

At Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard, the archiving parameters are "minthreadsleft = 4" and "minthreadstoarchive = 3". So according to the documentation, nothing can be archived from that page until there are at least seven threads there. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

<Facepalm> --03:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikinews Importer Bot

The Wikinews Importer Bot (talk · contribs) hasn't edited since May 3. This is the bot that updates the Wikinews boxes at Portal:Current events - a high-profile page. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

At Wiki talk

Dear Miszabot,

At Talk:Wiki, the archives need refactored:

Archive 1: 2003- 15July2011
Archive 2: 2008 - 25Aug2012
Archive 3: 2006 - 2Feb2013
Archive 4: 2007 - 7Marcch2008

The entire talk page was harvested. Minthreads left was = 4.

I've restored the last several discussions from Archive 3. — Cpiral Cpiral 17:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

A day, no bot activity

Is the bot running today? The contribs suggest its last act was May 11. Needs attention? History2007 (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I love it Misza13 if i could something look that good it would be amazing.♥ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyane14 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)