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* Some reputable sources use "Tel Aviv" as a metonym, as shorthand for 'Israel',<ref name=3.01>{{cite web|title=U.S., Israel spar in public, but defense ties are strong|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB30001424052748703612804575222153614955756.html|publisher=The Wall Street Journal|date=4 May 2010|quote=None of this means there aren't real strains between Washington and Tel Aviv}}</ref><ref name=3.02>{{cite web|title=Israël et les Etats-Unis divisés par la bombe nucléaire iranienne|url=http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2012/01/19/01003-20120119ARTFIG00440-israel-et-les-etats-unis-divises-par-la-bombe-nucleaire-iranienne.php|publisher=Le Figaro|author=Isabelle Lasserre|language=French|date=19 January 2012|quote=La bombe iranienne enfonce un coin dans les relations entre Washington et Tel Aviv. (The Iranian bomb has caused a split between Washington and Tel Aviv)}}</ref><ref name=3.03>{{cite web|title=Spat mars Hague’s Israel visit|url=http://web.archive.org/web/20101105021820/http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/299c6c74-e77c-11df-b5b4-00144feab49a.html|publisher=The Financial Times|author=Tobias Buck|coauthors=James Blitz|date=3 November 2010|quote=Tel Aviv continues to press Britain for reform of its laws on "universal jurisdiction"}}</ref><ref name=3.04>{{cite web|title=John Pilger on terror in Palestine|url=http://www.newstatesman.com/node/147527|publisher=New Statesman|author=John Pilger|date=22 March 2004|quote=...the law passed by Congress that imposes sanctions on Syria and in effect threatens it with the same fate as Iraq unless it agrees to the demands of Tel Aviv}}</ref><ref name=3.05>{{cite web|title=Suspected Israeli spies detained|url=http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/17/1082140120727.html|publisher=The Sydney Morning Herald|date=18 April 2004|quote=She said the matter had been raised directly with the Tel Aviv government}}</ref> and some reputable sources refer to Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel.<ref name=3.06>{{cite web|title=Palestinians, Israelis talk Palestinian statehood bid|url=http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/23/world/meast/palestinian-israeli-voices|publisher=CNN|author=Kevin Flower|date=23 September 2011|quote=His opinion is echoed on the streets of Tel Aviv, Israel's capital city.}}</ref><ref name=3.07>{{cite web|title=Israel beach body is missing Briton|url=http://www.standard.co.uk/news/israel-beach-body-is-missing-briton-6352196.html|publisher=London Evening Standard|date=19 May 2003|quote=The body of Omar Sharif was found in the capital Tel Aviv...}}</ref><ref name=3.08>{{cite web|title=Clinton joins Peres for birthday bash|url=http://www.independent.ie/world-news/clinton-joins-peres-for-birthday-bash-205738.html|publisher=Irish Independent|date=22 September 2003|quote=A parade of global figures...arrived in the Israeli capital Tel Aviv last night...}}</ref><ref name=3.09>{{cite web|title=La explosión de un coche bomba cerca de Tel Aviv, Israel, deja al menos un muerto y varios heridos|url=http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2006/09/29/actualidad/1159480808_850215.html|publisher=El País|language=Spanish|date=29 September 2006|quote=Al menos una persona ha muerto y seis han resultado heridas tras la explosión de un coche en una localidad cercana a Tel Aviv, capital de Israel. (At least one person has died and six have been injured after a car exploded in a town close to Tel Aviv, the capital of Israel.)}}</ref><ref name=3.10>{{cite web|title=Wake-up call for Israel's city that never sleeps|url=http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/16/15214230-wake-up-call-for-israels-city-that-never-sleeps?lite|publisher=NBC News|author=Martin Fletcher|date=16 November 2012|quote=...air raid sirens sound in the Israeli capital Tel Aviv for the second day...}}</ref> | * Some reputable sources use "Tel Aviv" as a metonym, as shorthand for 'Israel',<ref name=3.01>{{cite web|title=U.S., Israel spar in public, but defense ties are strong|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB30001424052748703612804575222153614955756.html|publisher=The Wall Street Journal|date=4 May 2010|quote=None of this means there aren't real strains between Washington and Tel Aviv}}</ref><ref name=3.02>{{cite web|title=Israël et les Etats-Unis divisés par la bombe nucléaire iranienne|url=http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2012/01/19/01003-20120119ARTFIG00440-israel-et-les-etats-unis-divises-par-la-bombe-nucleaire-iranienne.php|publisher=Le Figaro|author=Isabelle Lasserre|language=French|date=19 January 2012|quote=La bombe iranienne enfonce un coin dans les relations entre Washington et Tel Aviv. (The Iranian bomb has caused a split between Washington and Tel Aviv)}}</ref><ref name=3.03>{{cite web|title=Spat mars Hague’s Israel visit|url=http://web.archive.org/web/20101105021820/http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/299c6c74-e77c-11df-b5b4-00144feab49a.html|publisher=The Financial Times|author=Tobias Buck|coauthors=James Blitz|date=3 November 2010|quote=Tel Aviv continues to press Britain for reform of its laws on "universal jurisdiction"}}</ref><ref name=3.04>{{cite web|title=John Pilger on terror in Palestine|url=http://www.newstatesman.com/node/147527|publisher=New Statesman|author=John Pilger|date=22 March 2004|quote=...the law passed by Congress that imposes sanctions on Syria and in effect threatens it with the same fate as Iraq unless it agrees to the demands of Tel Aviv}}</ref><ref name=3.05>{{cite web|title=Suspected Israeli spies detained|url=http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/17/1082140120727.html|publisher=The Sydney Morning Herald|date=18 April 2004|quote=She said the matter had been raised directly with the Tel Aviv government}}</ref> and some reputable sources refer to Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel.<ref name=3.06>{{cite web|title=Palestinians, Israelis talk Palestinian statehood bid|url=http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/23/world/meast/palestinian-israeli-voices|publisher=CNN|author=Kevin Flower|date=23 September 2011|quote=His opinion is echoed on the streets of Tel Aviv, Israel's capital city.}}</ref><ref name=3.07>{{cite web|title=Israel beach body is missing Briton|url=http://www.standard.co.uk/news/israel-beach-body-is-missing-briton-6352196.html|publisher=London Evening Standard|date=19 May 2003|quote=The body of Omar Sharif was found in the capital Tel Aviv...}}</ref><ref name=3.08>{{cite web|title=Clinton joins Peres for birthday bash|url=http://www.independent.ie/world-news/clinton-joins-peres-for-birthday-bash-205738.html|publisher=Irish Independent|date=22 September 2003|quote=A parade of global figures...arrived in the Israeli capital Tel Aviv last night...}}</ref><ref name=3.09>{{cite web|title=La explosión de un coche bomba cerca de Tel Aviv, Israel, deja al menos un muerto y varios heridos|url=http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2006/09/29/actualidad/1159480808_850215.html|publisher=El País|language=Spanish|date=29 September 2006|quote=Al menos una persona ha muerto y seis han resultado heridas tras la explosión de un coche en una localidad cercana a Tel Aviv, capital de Israel. (At least one person has died and six have been injured after a car exploded in a town close to Tel Aviv, the capital of Israel.)}}</ref><ref name=3.10>{{cite web|title=Wake-up call for Israel's city that never sleeps|url=http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/16/15214230-wake-up-call-for-israels-city-that-never-sleeps?lite|publisher=NBC News|author=Martin Fletcher|date=16 November 2012|quote=...air raid sirens sound in the Israeli capital Tel Aviv for the second day...}}</ref> | ||
* East Jerusalem, which our article treats as part of Jerusalem, is in the Palestinian territories and is occupied by Israel.<ref name=4.01>{{citation|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=9evpVS_ackwC&pg=PA27|title=Jerusalem: Points Beyond Friction-And Beyond|editor1-last=Ma'oz|editor1-first=Moshe|editor2-last=Nusseibeh|editor2-first=Sari|last=Malki|first=Riad|chapter=The Physical Planning of Jerusalem|quote=East Jerusalem constitutes only one percent of the total area of the Occupied Territories (OT)—the West Bank and Gaza Strip, including East Jerusalem— ...|page=27|publisher=Kluwer Law International|isbn=9789041188434}}</ref><ref name=4.02>{{citation|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=lw62fC-SbrIC&pg=PA389|chapter=The Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention|last=Happold|first=Matther|title=Yearbook of International Humanitarian Law|volume=4|publisher=Cambridge University Press|year=2001|quote=On 5 December 2001, a conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention concerning the application of international humanitarian law in the occupied Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem, took place in Geneva.<p>The meeting of the Conference was the culmination of a long political process. Since the 1967 Six Day War, Israel has been in occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.|isbn=978-9067041690}}</ref><ref name=4.03>{{Cite journal|title=Prolonged Military Occupation: The Israeli-Occupied Territories Since 1967|last=Roberts|first=Adam|author-link=Adam Roberts (scholar)|journal=The American Journal of International Law|volume=84|issue=1|publisher=American Society of International Law|page=60|quote=Although East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have been brought directly under Israeli law, by acts that amount to annexation, both of these areas continue to be viewed by the international community as occupied, and their status as regards the applicability of international rules is in most respects identical to that of the West Bank and Gaza.}}</ref> | * East Jerusalem, which our article treats as part of Jerusalem, is in the Palestinian territories and is occupied by Israel.<ref name=4.01>{{citation|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=9evpVS_ackwC&pg=PA27|title=Jerusalem: Points Beyond Friction-And Beyond|editor1-last=Ma'oz|editor1-first=Moshe|editor2-last=Nusseibeh|editor2-first=Sari|last=Malki|first=Riad|chapter=The Physical Planning of Jerusalem|quote=East Jerusalem constitutes only one percent of the total area of the Occupied Territories (OT)—the West Bank and Gaza Strip, including East Jerusalem— ...|page=27|publisher=Kluwer Law International|isbn=9789041188434}}</ref><ref name=4.02>{{citation|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=lw62fC-SbrIC&pg=PA389|chapter=The Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention|last=Happold|first=Matther|title=Yearbook of International Humanitarian Law|volume=4|publisher=Cambridge University Press|year=2001|quote=On 5 December 2001, a conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention concerning the application of international humanitarian law in the occupied Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem, took place in Geneva.<p>The meeting of the Conference was the culmination of a long political process. Since the 1967 Six Day War, Israel has been in occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.|isbn=978-9067041690}}</ref><ref name=4.03>{{Cite journal|title=Prolonged Military Occupation: The Israeli-Occupied Territories Since 1967|last=Roberts|first=Adam|author-link=Adam Roberts (scholar)|journal=The American Journal of International Law|volume=84|issue=1|publisher=American Society of International Law|page=60|quote=Although East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have been brought directly under Israeli law, by acts that amount to annexation, both of these areas continue to be viewed by the international community as occupied, and their status as regards the applicability of international rules is in most respects identical to that of the West Bank and Gaza.}}</ref> | ||
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*The CIA considered it correct to list Jerusalem as the capital of Israel while the government of Canada considered it correct to leave the capital of Israel blank when there was little room for nuance.<ref>http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/israel/bilateral_relations_bilaterales/fs_israel_fd.aspx?lang=eng</ref> In prose, objective sources often use qualifiers which show that the status as capital was achieved unilaterally.<ref name=5.01>{{cite web|title=CIA - The World Factbook - Israel|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html|publisher=CIA|date=29 April 2013|quote=Israel proclaimed Jerusalem as its capital in 1950, but the US, like all other countries, maintains its Embassy in Tel Aviv}}</ref> | ||
* Palestine aspires to make Jerusalem its capital.<ref name=6.01>{{cite book|title=The Case For Palestine: An International Law Perspective|year=2005|publisher=Duke University Press|isbn=9780822335399|page=225|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=VaUvqHNd6m0C&pg=PA225|author=John Quigley|quote=(...) no single territorial sector is more contested than Jerusalem, which both sides claim as their capital. (...) When the Palestine National Council issued its call for independence in 1988, it declared "the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital in Jerusalem.}}</ref> | * Palestine aspires to make Jerusalem its capital.<ref name=6.01>{{cite book|title=The Case For Palestine: An International Law Perspective|year=2005|publisher=Duke University Press|isbn=9780822335399|page=225|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=VaUvqHNd6m0C&pg=PA225|author=John Quigley|quote=(...) no single territorial sector is more contested than Jerusalem, which both sides claim as their capital. (...) When the Palestine National Council issued its call for independence in 1988, it declared "the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital in Jerusalem.}}</ref> | ||
* The Israeli government made Jerusalem its seat of government and declared it its capital.<ref name=0.01/><ref name=7.02>{{cite web|title=CIA - The World Factbook - Israel|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html|publisher=CIA|date=29 April 2013|quote=Capital - name: Jerusalem (Note underneath - Israel proclaimed Jerusalem as its capital in 1950, but the US, like all other countries, maintains its Embassy in Tel Aviv)}}</ref> | * The Israeli government made Jerusalem its seat of government and declared it its capital.<ref name=0.01/><ref name=7.02>{{cite web|title=CIA - The World Factbook - Israel|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html|publisher=CIA|date=29 April 2013|quote=Capital - name: Jerusalem (Note underneath - Israel proclaimed Jerusalem as its capital in 1950, but the US, like all other countries, maintains its Embassy in Tel Aviv)}}</ref> |
Revision as of 23:18, 14 May 2013
This is a draft version of the upcoming RfC about the lead of the Jerusalem article. It isn't ready for people to comment on directly yet, and any comments made will be removed. Its content is subject to change without warning as improvements are made to it. If you have any comments about the draft, please make them at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#General discussion. Thank you. — Mr. Stradivarius 14:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC) |
This is an RfC mandated by ArbCom to decide the content of the lead of the Jerusalem article. Its text is the result of a moderated discussion held at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion. The moderator was User:Mr. Stradivarius.
Short background of the dispute goes here.
Source summary
The capital status of Jerusalem is complex, and there have been many different views expressed on it in reliable sources. The participants of the moderated discussion have collaboratively created a summary of these views:
- Jerusalem is the capital of Israel under Israeli law.
- Few or no countries recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
- The capital status of Jerusalem is controversial. It is controversial to refer to Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and it is also controversial not to refer to it as the capital of Israel. It is also controversial to refer to Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.
- Some reputable sources use "Tel Aviv" as a metonym, as shorthand for 'Israel', and some reputable sources refer to Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel.
- East Jerusalem, which our article treats as part of Jerusalem, is in the Palestinian territories and is occupied by Israel.
- The CIA considered it correct to list Jerusalem as the capital of Israel while the government of Canada considered it correct to leave the capital of Israel blank when there was little room for nuance. In prose, objective sources often use qualifiers which show that the status as capital was achieved unilaterally.
- Palestine aspires to make Jerusalem its capital.
- The Israeli government made Jerusalem its seat of government and declared it its capital.
- There is very little support for the Israeli view regarding the Sovereignty and capital status of Jerusalem (especially East Jerusalem).
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Question one
Is it compliant with WP:NPOV to state 'Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.'?
Question one answers
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Question two
Is it compliant with WP:NPOV to state 'Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, though not internationally recognized as such.'?
Question two answers
Question two threaded discussion
Drafts
The participants in the moderated discussion leading up to this RfC have created drafts of the lead for the community to consider.
Note - I'm keeping the numbers the same for now, for ease of reference - Strad
- 3 - Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, though not internationally recognized as such.
- 10 - Both Israel and Palestine claim Jerusalem as their respective capital, but the city isn't recognized internationally as a capital.
- 11 - Jerusalem is the proclaimed capital and seat of the Israeli government and the proclaimed capital of Palestine, though the international community does not recognize either proclamation or ownership of the city.
- 13 - Jerusalem is a city in Israel and the Palestinian territories. Since the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel has occupied East Jerusalem and has included it within its capital city. Palestine has designated Jerusalem its capital, though neither the Israeli or Palestinian claims have gained international recognition.
- 15 - Jerusalem is one of the oldest cities in the world, considered holy to the three major Abrahamic religions—Judaism, Christianity and Islam Israelis and Palestinians both claim Jerusalem as their capital, as Israel maintains its primary governmental institutions there and the State of Palestine ultimately foresees it as its seat of power; however, neither claim is widely recognized internationally.
- 19 - Jerusalem has long been a point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with both Israelis and Palestinians seeing it as capital of their respective states. Although the Israeli government operates out of the city and has called the city its capital for decades, most nations do not recognize this status.
- 20 - Jerusalem is the seat of the Israeli government, but its status as the capital of Israel has been unrecognized abroad. Instead, the international community considers the status of Jerusalem a matter to be resolved with Palestinians, who also see the city as the capital of a future independent state of their own.
Answer sections for the drafts to be discussed later.