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Beer in San Diego County

I have been working on developing this article at User:MelanieN/sandbox. It's nowhere close to being ready for mainspace, but when you have a minute, could you take a look and tell me if I'm on the right track? Too much of this, not enough of that, any directions I shouldn't be going? Thanks so much for offering to help, I can see you have a full plate! (Maybe beer \_/ will be more fun than some of the other issues. ) --MelanieN (talk) 00:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll be happy to take a look at some point today. SilkTork 08:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

That's very good. You have it spot on, and what you have done can be used as a model for other regional beer articles. You can move it into mainspace as it is, and nominate it for DYK, so it will appear briefly on the mainpage. You could mention San Diego Beer Week: , , . And also mention San Diego Brewers Guild‎. SilkTork 12:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Clarification requested on Agenda section

Could you please clarify exactly what the goal is in the agenda section? Are we creating a sentence for the lede? Are we creating a paragraph for the agenda section? Or is this topic to take over the agenda section and replace everything in it? Are we not to consider due weight? And must we have walls of sources posted without hatting? I find that very disruptive to the editing process. It splits the efforts of editors to modify and/or present new paragraphs, and makes it difficult to navigate between versions for comparison. Also, are we expected to rely solely on one academic's paper, or are we allowed to use sources like the New York Times, etc. Thanks. Malke 2010 (talk) 11:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the discussion page later today. The aim is to have balanced and sourced information on the agenda of the Tea Party movement so that if a reader wishes to know what the aims of the movement are, they can get a useful, neutral, reliable and accurate summary from Misplaced Pages. SilkTork 08:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion requested on Trees (poem)

Last August you did the GA review on Joyce Kilmer, and I enjoyed working with you during that process. I have taken a few weeks in writing an article on Kilmer's most remembered poem, "Trees" and was hoping to prepare it for an FA or GA nomination in the near future (I'm leaning towards FA knowing there would be a bit more work, but know it could pass GA relatively easily now). I was wondering if you could take a little time out of your busy schedule to examine the article and suggest how I can improve/polish it before making the nomination. I appreciate it.--ColonelHenry (talk) 21:01, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I've had a quick look, and it seems quite tidy. I would recommend nominating it for GA, as FA reviewers sometimes comment negatively when an article is nominated directly for FA bypassing GA. The analysis section relies heavily on Winchell, who - though the poem appears to move from youth to old age - asserts that the stanzas could be read in any order. Might be useful to have a few more critical opinions. I also wonder if that Scansion and analysis section might be better placed after the writing section. Logically, the poem needs to have been written before it can be an analysed. I also question the use of the tree image. As that is not the tree that inspired the poem, it is a little misleading to use it. The size is also large - such images should not be forced in the body of the article. And the caption is rather long. You also need to disambiguate which Sir John Suckling is being referred to. There are also a couple of paragraphs in the parodies section that need sourcing. There is also an unsourced opinion: "However, as this quotation cannot be found in McMillan's book, Davenport must be in error here" which might be mistaken. Davenport seems to be paraphrasing what McMillan is saying on page 127 in which she is talking about those who hate machinery, such as William Ruskin. Given that there are little areas which can be tidied up on a quick glance, a thorough review would be beneficial. I am already tied up with a review of Fyodor Dostoyevsky‎, but when that is completed, and if nobody has picked up the Tree review in the meantime, I would take it. SilkTork 13:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

• It will probably be about a week or two before I propose it for GA, so you have time to finish up Dostoyevsky. Thanks for taking a look at it--I wanted a new set of eyes on it because I've been working on it for several weeks now and might not notice things, so I knew that your keen eye and love of poetry would bring out some great suggestions. I appreciate it. I switched the writing and scansion sections per your suggestion, and disambiguated the two Sucklings. The McMillan-Davenport commentary was material that I haven't figured out what to do with that or to look in the original text to comment on either's work. I inherited that paragraph from older versions of the article (and material originally in Joyce Kilmer), and still have to take a close look at. I asked a local historian in Mahwah for a picture of the house the Kilmer's owned where it was written, and I'm trying to find a fair-use Kilmer Oak photo from New Brunswick. I keep running into one theme in the scholarship...the lack of it because most scholars don't take Kilmer and his work seriously enough to analyse it, so I might be stuck with Winchell. I'll keep you updated. Thanks again. --ColonelHenry (talk) 21:34, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Keep me informed, as the Dostoyevsky review may be ending soon. SilkTork 21:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Poetry

As there is a backlog on move requests please move Poetry Magazine to "Poetry magazine". This would address both your concern and the reason it was at its prior stable title for many years, as there is no reason to use title case. Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:32, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. SilkTork 14:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

I would like to set up a Moderated discussion, like the discussion on the tea party movement, for Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012. Besides the path the tea party took to get there, how is that done? The article I am wanting to do this has been in dispute for a while now and there seems little that can be done to move forward. I would like to move forward and take the article to WP:FA, again. However, content disputes are upending these efforts and I don't think they can be resolved with normal dialogue. Casprings (talk) 15:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Mediation. There used to be an organised informal mediation process, but that closed as it became inefficient, so moderated discussions regarding content disputes are normally either handled formally by the Mediation Committee or informally by any editor who agrees. I am sometimes approached to mediate, but since I have been on the Arbitration Committee I have not done any apart from this Tea Party one. The success of mediation is entirely down to the contributors involved. Unless everyone is willing to enter into mediation, and are willing to abide by the spirit of the process, then it fails. Indeed, the willingness of the participants is far more important than the experience or ability of the moderator. If you want to set up an informal moderated discussion, and don't know who to ask, you could try asking one of the folks at Misplaced Pages:Editor assistance . SilkTork 15:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I started a session on the talk page to see others are willing. Casprings (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Parting thoughts on Jmh649 RFAR

This is getting posted on every arb's talk page and I will courtesy notify Doc J. I am appalled at how low the standards of wiki admin behavior have sunk. We've seen admins lose their bit for nothing more than one wheel war and yet here we have multiple instances of involved protections, edit wars, hounding new users, involved blocks, etc, and absolutely nothing gets done about it. Why? So Doc J can "adjust"? What about all his victims? What do they get?--diddly squat, just like in the real world. I actually truly hope Doc J can change, but that is not what wiki history teaches us. Wiki history teaches us he will lay low until the heat dies down then steadily go back to his old ways and he'll be back at RFAR within 6-30 months from now. Just like the arb case from my day when a drafting arb came within a hair of posting sanctions on Willbeback but didn't and what happened? Will kept going on in the same old fashion and two years and countless victims later, Will loses his bit and gets banned. And Doc J gets to use a secret mentor? He'd only not disclose that person if he felt the community would not accept the mentor, such as the mentor wasn't neutral or some such reason. By not taking this case and not issuing any guidelines or admonishments, especially with several extremely weak comments by the arbs (ie, how can some of you see nothing wrong in his behavior) all AC did here was send a clear signal to admins that there are no more admin standards of behavior and admins can do whatever they want and get away with it scott free. This juxtaposed with those who lost their bit for one wheel war also shows there is no consistency at all in AC's rulings on admins. At a minimum AC should have issued a statement on unacceptable behavior rather than turning a blind eye to the RFAR. This is an unacceptable precedent for which the community and AC will pay for many times over in the future. The UN can do a better job of fixing things than wiki and AC can, and that's really sad. This is a classic case of how those committing harmful acts rationalize their behavior and others rationalize excuses on their behalf. See you at "RFAR/Jmh649 2".PumpkinSky talk 22:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)