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Old comment broken by script

I submitted a second comment and reloaded the page; the script broke the previous comment as such: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Leaf guard. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

@Mabdul and Nathan2055: Could you guys look into this? I'd look myself and have a feeling it is something stupid simple, but my daughter had a medical emergency come up the other-day so I've no time for the next week or so for much of anything that doesn't directly relax me (which isn't much right now). Technical 13 (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

  Not a bug, see the edit before yours: User:MatthewVanitas added a comment without using a script and with a wrong "format".

Instead of

{{afc comment}} A good start, but removing "Installation" per ].

it should be

{{afc comment|1= A good start, but removing "Installation" per ].}}

Regards, mabdul 18:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

PS: That kind of pings are very good; I'm very busy and tired at the moment ... sadly!

@Mabdul: There are a lot of such templates that are used like that (when not using a script that correctly formats it for the user), is there anyway that the script could look for the eol instead of the closing }} and fix improperly formatted such comments? Technical 13 (talk) 18:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

mmh, Of course we could add another check for an empty afc comment template and add the rest of the line into the template... but what happens for following variants

{{afc comment}}
  A good start, but removing "Installation" per ].

or

{{afc comment}}
 A good start, but removing "Installation" per ]. Starting a list:
 * la
 *li
 *lo 
 Signature (or not)

? How should I detect that? I believe a better education how to use such templates is better with less false positives... mabdul 18:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• @Mabdul: I understand where you are coming from. A majority of them would be caught and fixed using EOL instead of }} for the end. We could modify {{{1}}} to be more like {{{1|There is no comment here! Please use this template correctly!}}} so that the template fails to work if they don't use the proper format. Just ideas... Technical 13 (talk) 19:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• Tracked at https://github.com/WPAFC/afch/issues/20 mabdul 22:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Connecting to the the backlog drive

When I select the "Backlog drives" tab at the top of this page it has instructions on how to take part in the drive. It says to go to the relevant backup drive page, but no where that I can find on the page does it say how to find this page except a barely noticeable link in the green invitation template at the bottom of the page. Is this an oversight, or is the drive by invitation only? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Backup drive? Or Backlog drive Anne? :-p At the top of the page is an info box with a link to the next drive (which will soon become the current drive). Drives are certainly not by invitation only, all qualified editors are welcome and encouraged to take part. Pol430 talk to me 08:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I've added a section with an obvious link as well. Pol430 talk to me 09:01, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry - I've been having a lot of trouble with my backup drive lately..... yes, I meant backlog drive. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, guys, I didn't want to be trying to reduce the backLOG alone; I see several more people have signed up now. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Can we please see an example of what the "#" text looks like with actual content, or else explain in detail what "URL_TO_DIFF" is required and the exact format required for "name_of_submission"? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that if you sign up for the "AFC Buddy" you don't have to put in the "URL_TO_DIFF"s. It will do it for you. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:10, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

@Dodger67: you'd do it something like this - , producing CCI Channel Management Solutions. Mdann52 (talk) 08:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Mdann52, the example is a lot easier to grok than the "template". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

BTW do we get more Brownie points for an accept, which takes several minutes to complete, compared to a decline that can be done and dusted in just a few seconds? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing a disambiguation page

Dear editors:

I came across this unusual article Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/thoughtform thought-form ThoughtForms (disambiguation). I was going to decline it as non-notable, since none of the variations of "thoughtform" have an article in Misplaced Pages, but the editor has gone to some trouble to find references for some of the uses. I am presuming that the list of possible spellings is not needed, but what about the rest? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

A disambig page should serve to to disambiguate variations of the same page title. This is certainly not a standard example of that and I question its usefulness. It looks like something that would be more at home in Wiktionary. Pol430 talk to me 15:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree - but what decline reason should I use? There doesn't seem to be one designed for disambiguation pages. Is "non-notable" suitable? Or how about "not written in an encyclopedia tone?" Neither of these is quite right. We need a decline reason that says "not appropriate for a disambiguation page" or something. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I came across a similar article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Wildflower_magazine Jguy _Talk 16:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I've declined the "original" one using the custom decline 'hack' I've come across. Mdann52 (talk) 16:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It would be nice to use the script, though, so perhaps in the future there will be a decline reason for disambiguation pages. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:36, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

If you want to give an "off the menu" decline reason simply write in the comment box, if you have not seleceted one of the menu options the comment is posted as the decline reason instead. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

COI submissions page similar to AfC

I was up until about 3 a.m. whipping up an AfC-like submission page for COIs to request corrections, contest unsourced material and (after reading some disclosures) offer content for consideration. It comes to mind that I've seen posts several years old where editors have pondered why this doesn't already exist and it seems like a no-brainer.

It needs some coding work before the forms would actually "work" but I would be interested in (a) anyone who can help code the forms and (b) any thoughts generally. Most of the templates and coding I used so far has been copy/pasted from AfC. CorporateM (Talk) 16:32, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Good work on trying to centralize this process. I'm not really sure it fits into WikiProject AfC, though I could be wrong. Some suggestions:

1. The disclaimers here should include one about WP:OWN.
2. The reviewing instructions should really only instruct reviewers and the guidance for submitter would be better built into a preload edit-intro template.
3. Your request preload could do with simplifying. Pol430 talk to me 20:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I just took out the submission instructions, since this is already handled by the wizard, and added the OWN disclaimer. Probably not relevant to AfC, except that it has a very similar process/templates/code etc. Considering some negative feedback already and the relative ghost town of Request Edit anyway, I'll keep it around and see if it gets interest. I can't really complete it on my own anyway. But if this template is applied more broadly, it might help to have a system like this in place. CorporateM (Talk) 23:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I was worried that there might be a rather negative reaction to this idea, but didn't want to discourage your efforts. Personally, I think trying to educate COI contributers is a better option than ignoring them. If education fails, and COI editing crosses the line into tendentious spamming, blocks generally succeed. Sadly, there is a lack of editors who are willing to (try to) work with COI contributers. Pol430 talk to me 22:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Can't seem to accept article

An editor told me that I wrongly declined Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Alexandra Luke for the reason that it already exists. I declined it because the review tool said that it already exists. Now I see that it is just a redirect and I keep on getting an error each time that I try to approve it. SL93 (talk) 21:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I had to delete Alexandra Luke for the automated process to work. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

@SL93: - No worries, it should be fixed in this update. --Nathan2055 14:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

The disambiguation page has come back

The Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/thoughtform thought-form ThoughtForms (disambiguation) page, declined by Mdann52 has been resubmitted, with only two entries this time, so I decided to look a little further. The author of the page has included two links. One is to the Thought page, which he has recently updated and to which he has added his own theory of thought with a reference to the book he has written about it. Now, is this what is meant by spam? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

It is not quite spam, which is indiscriminate bulk adding of links or promotion, but you can still decline it as promotion if that is what it is, or just use the "not" reason, (WP:NOT), and you can usually decline based on lack of verifyability for fringe theory. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I decline it and left a message about conflict of interest and the need for independent sources. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Question about the scope of AfCBuddy

I signed up for AfC Buddy on the user subpage of Excirial (talk · contribs). Just wondering, will it (in addition to tracking the diffs of submissions, many thanks) also generate the running totals? TheOneSean 22:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

In it current form AFCBuddy generated all three sections used on the backlog drive page (Have a look at The march drive for an example.) The sections it generates are:

• The Leaderboard
• The Totals list
• The individual user overview of diffs for each revision.

It will also try to move any reviews another user reviewed to the "Checked reviews" section though that code is a bit wonky at times (Works fine if added as described in the "Reviewing Reviews" section, but any variations might cause it to stumble). Excirial 22:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, you're wonderful! TheOneSean 23:01, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you! --j⚛e decker 17:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Neologism?

This article, called Cultural Culinary Diplomacy, defines and outlines a new kind of diplomacy via food. It's a reasonably well written article, but I can't help but question the premise as a neologism. It doesn't seem to be created in an "attempt to use Misplaced Pages to increase usage of the term" (WP:NEO), but I'm reluctant to accept it because of the non-prevalence of the term. Any second opinions? Thanks, theonesean 02:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

P.S: The AfC Mentoring program is well under development. I will be posting requests for help after the backlog drive is over. Thanks.

The term is "Cullinary diplomacy", not "Cultural diplomacy" - the sources cited in the draft are good high quality sources, IMHO there is no problem here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Regardless of what terms are used to describe it, this article is about a well-documented and notable phenomenon as opposed to a simple dicdef article about a neologism, . It's well written and referenced to high quality sources and should be moved into mainspace. Voceditenore (talk) 08:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation/Rowe v Emmanuel College

Note to potential reviewers of this page. I have blanked it per WP:SOAP. Please see Talk:Emmanuel College (Queensland)#Edit warring re litigation and Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive800#Emmanuel College (Queensland) for background. Voceditenore (talk) 07:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Submissions about "life coaches", management gurus, books about management techniques

Next time one is reviewing, or discussing, an article submission about a "life coach" or a management guru or a book about management techniques, or any similar topic, it may be useful to have this in mind: http://www.dilbert.com/2013-06-30/ Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:08, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the LOLs! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you suggesting we need Category:Articles related to topics lampooned by Scott Adams??? :) davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Categories

The visual editor was rolled out for my account yesterday, and I've noticed I can't use HotCat any longer. Is this a known issue? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

It's a separate issue not related to VE. Hotcat was made on by default for all users after a hopelessly inadequately discussed proposal and that caused major problems so it was turned off. Unfortunately deactivating the on-by-default did not recognize those who turned it on by choice so it got turned of for everyone. See WP:VPP#WP:HOTCAT on as a default. You need to switch it back on in your Preferences > Gadgets menu. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, what a mess. Thanks for the update! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:23, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

This happened to me, too, but it only took a moment to get it working again. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Duplicate article

Dear editors: The following submission Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Mohanpur, Punjab, India has been declined and resubmitted without much in the way of sources. I started to improve it, but soon realized that there is already a similar article in the encyclopedia at Mohanpur, Punjab. This second one has not been edited since the cut-and-paste was made. Which article should be improved? What should be done with the other one? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I would decline it as 'exists' and ask the author to work on the main space submission. Both articles are broadly similar. Pol430 talk to me 21:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, it is not necessary for geographic locations to establish their notability, only that they have received governmental recognition of their existence. Pol430 talk to me 21:27, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

The issue isn't notability. The issue is not being referenced. SL93 (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and I'm not sure where to find the evidence of government recognition in India. There's a postal code, but that's a bit lame. I'll add it to the main space article and decline the other. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:38, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

IMHO a postal code, a named dot on an official map, existence of a government school, clinic, or evidence of municipal level elections/structures is all acceptable evidence of existence, not lame at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, a postal code is a fairly certain source for governmental recognition proving it verifies the existence of the subject under its own terms of reference (rather than lumping together, as merely part of a nearby place that is larger). Pol430 talk to me 18:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes one must verify whether the postal code is assigned to a region, suburb, town, district or village. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Notability of a town

Dear editors: I have been told several times that towns are considered notable as long as there is evidence that they are actual towns. However, I'm having difficulty in finding this in the notability guidelines. In fact, I found this: "No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists." Can someone point me to the correct info page? Thanks. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:54, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:GEOLAND? Kilopi (talk) 03:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's what I needed. However, I notice that this page is absent from the category of notability guidelines. It seems that it is an essay rather than policy, and that there hasn't been a consensus about exactly what's needed to make a town notable. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you may also want to check out WP:NPLACE, which is more or less the derived wisdom of AfD results as part of WP:OUTCOMES. Certainly not as binding as a policy or guideline, but a pretty good indication of how a case will usually go at AfD, so I give it significantly higher weight than a random essay.. --j⚛e decker 17:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Revamp of Article Wizard

So, I have quite a few ideas for how to revamp the Article Wizard, and I'm testing them on the labs cluster here (NOT SUL enabled with enwp).

If anyone wants to help, I'd love it if some people with good knowledge of either mw:Extension:GuidedTour or javascript in general could pop over, as that's the first idea I'd like to test. I can probably manage without anyone, but it'd help tremendously. Thanks ~Charmlet 04:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Copyright violations in the references, not the article

Template:ResolveD Dear reviewers: This article: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Robert King (2) has quite a few references, all properly cited, but only three are to the original sites ( one of which is not about the subject). The others are two screen shots of newpaper articles about the subject which have been added to the subject's web site. Isn't this a copyright violation? Since it's not on Misplaced Pages, should the screen shots be accepted as references? Or would the references be acceptable if the URLs to the screen shots were removed by the references left? (The article has other problems.) —Anne Delong (talk) 18:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I would say this isn't a reliable source; They should directly reference the paper. I would also say this is a copyvio. Mdann52 (talk) 10:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

It is a violation in that it breaches Misplaced Pages:Copyrights#Linking to copyrighted works. However, 'Turner, Amy (25 September 2011). "Game On". The Sunday Times', for example, is still a reliable source - it just needs the copyright-violating hyperlink removed from it. So, yes, the references are acceptable if the hyperlinks are removed. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:15, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Strange submission

Dear reviewers: This article: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Metin2 has been deleted three times in 2007. Now a new page has been submitted with this name, but it isn't in English. When I tried to decline it, the list of deletions comes up, but not the Afc script. Is this a bug? —Anne Delong (talk) 01:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

That's a script bug, yes. I'll decline it manually and hope they still have the "notify author" link in their newfangled, not-to-be-used-manually decline message box. Huon (talk) 01:55, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

And no, we don't have the "notify author" link any more. Doesn't really matter in this case since I speedied the draft as an attack page and notified the submitter of that. Huon (talk) 02:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Second opinions please

I have doubts about a few of the reviews I've done, please take a look at:

• Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Royal Azel - See also the discussion on my Talk page - User talk:Dodger67#Royal Azel Decline
• Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Another Stream (Band)
• Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/The Destiny Program

Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Royal Azel - the refs are all about the mineral itself, while the article is about one trade name for the mineral. The editor may have done research, but little of that research is referenced in the article. Rankersbo (talk) 08:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Huon (talk · contribs) has provided a pretty spot on appraisal of Royal Azel at the help desk. Another stream look like a non-notable band to me, the sources fall well short of the GNG and I can't see that any part of MUSICBIO applies because they appear only to have released one album, and I can't even be sure that's an album because neither the article or the sources tell us. The destiny program look like they might be notable but the body text screams copyvio to me, I can't check at the moment as I'm short on time and editing from my ipad, but I'd look into it. Pol430 talk to me 09:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd guess that The Destiny Program was more or less translated from de:The_Destiny_Program, I wasn't able to find closer matches elsewhere in EN or DE language sources--j⚛e decker 17:55, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and created the Royal Azel redirect; a Google Books search showed that it's indeed a common alternative name for the mineral, used in books on jewelry and crystal healing and even in a fantasy novel. I've also commented on Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/The Destiny Program; Laut.de seems reliable to me, Blabbermouth's status as a reliable source is disputed, the others are primary or unreliable sources. I endorse the review. Huon (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A guide to referencing for newbies

Just a heads up to anyone who is as unaware of its existence as I was until recently: There is a help page/tutorial on adding references that is more graphical than WP:REFB and WP:CITE, and includes a video. I have added a shortcut to it which is WP:INTREF. Personally, I think it will be more helpful to newbies than other wall-o-text pages. Pol430 talk to me 19:25, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

And then there's always my Ref-Template: {{subst:User:Shearonink/ref}}

which looks like the following (sorry if this messes up the headers on the page...Shearonink (talk) 03:01, 6 July 2013 (UTC)):

Adding references can be easy

Hello! Here's how to add references from reliable sources for the content you add to Misplaced Pages. This helps maintain the Misplaced Pages policy of verifiability.

Adding well formatted references is actually quite easy:

1. While editing any article or a wikipage, on the top of the edit window you will see a toolbar which says "Cite". Click on it.
2. Then click on "Templates".
3. Choose the most appropriate template and fill in as many details as you can. This will add a well formatted reference that is helpful in case the web URL (or "website link") becomes inactive in the future.
4. Click on Preview when you're done filling out the 'Cite (web/news/book/journal)' to make sure that the reference is correct.
5. Click on Insert to insert the reference into your editing window content.
6. Click on Show preview to Preview all your editing changes.

• Before clicking on Save page, check that a References header   ==References==   is near the end of the article.
• And check that   {{Reflist}}    is directly underneath that header.

7.  Click on Save page. ...and you've just added a complete reference to a Misplaced Pages article.

You can read more about this on Help:Edit toolbar or see this video File:RefTools.ogv.
Hope this helps, --Shearonink (talk) 02:59, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

• To use this message, place {{subst:User:Shearonink/ref}} on User:talk pages when needed.

Hope that this helps, feel free to remove the "demo" version above if it's too much in the way. Shearonink (talk) 02:59, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

@Shearonink I haven't tested it, but doesn't the template need an update because of the new visual editor? mabdul 11:44, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Quick update for the July AFC backlog drive.

A quick update for the participants in the July Backlog Drive, on the matter "Now where are those automatically updated statistics i signed up for"? The short version is: "Sorry that took so long, but they will be updated before the end of the weekend!".

The long version - for those interested - is that i am currently improving AFCBuddy's code in order to make it more efficient and resilient. Right now AFCBuddy has two issues:

• AFCBuddy generates the output for the various list and overviews and saves these to several text files - updating Misplaced Pages is all manual work (Can take 30-45 min)
• AFCBuddy's code is decent, but not very resilient. If it encounters something unexpected it is quite likely to error out entirely. For example, if a user didn't create a drive page for this month the code that tries to count listed contributions errors out.

Both issues should be solved before the weekends end. Uploading will change to automatic, and the program should be more resilient which saves a load of time. For most part you shouldn't notice anything different, except that i will likely update the stats more often since it won't require an hour or so of my time to do this. At the same time this change means that i won't be combing trough every AFCbuddy result anymore either - so please keep an eye out of anything odd and let me know if something seems to bug out. Excirial 19:46, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Hoax?

This page Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Scott Farquharson has been deleted once as a hoax earlier this year. I have been trying to find out it the current article contains incorrect information. I have run out of time before finding out whether the same person who is the poet and works at Harlequin is also the person who has had cancer and ADHD and has been in various productions. (I have to go out to a musical session) I thought I would leave a heads-up in case someone else wants to investigate further. Maybe this new article is completely legit, but I noticed that another user User:Harlequin Publishing Ltd has been blocked. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't appear to be a hoax, but he's not notable. Pol430 talk to me 23:04, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

This one definitely isn't a hoax, as I am the Scott Farquharson it speaks of. Kind of disappointing to be thought of as not notable, as I feel the fact that I have done a number of charity fund raising activity, written two poetry books, recovered from cancer, written, performed and produced 2 of my own CD's as well as 'lovers dance' by Rod Birchall, 'Pack it up' by Except for Access, 'The Machine' by Daniel Pettitt (which he is using to raise awareness of schizophrenia) appeared on Radio Cleveland, Radio Leeds Introducing, many newspaper articles, got to the final auditions of the world tour of spirit of the dance, appeared in a large number of stage shows including the ones stated, I was part of the Metrocentre's own dance company, 'Shoppertainment', played an extra part in 'Our Friend in the North', and loads more besides, in fact if you look I am all over the internet. It would be awesome to have my own wikipedia page! I know I'm not famous, but I have worked damned hard all my life to get passed all of the issues brought on from what I now know was ADHD, including the symtom I suffered from most which was depression. which gripped me most in 2007 when it consumed me completely and I tried to end things completely.

It's nice to think that someone out there thought me worthy for such a prestigious site. I fear the person who set up the Harlequin Publishing Ltd page was one of the people I work with in my company, so apologies for that.

As you are obviously knowledgeable about this site, please could you let me know what specifically might be classed as notable (Aside from being one of the mass murderers on here or someone guilty of genocide) so that I might be able have the page accepted? I have done a lot more than what is listed on there in my life, people obviously just can't find proof of it online. It would be great to feel my life's efforts were not fruitless. User: information_super_farmer 03:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Notability, Misplaced Pages:Notability (biography). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:58, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Short version - It depends on the amount and quality of press coverage you've received. It does not have to be online, paper sources are acceptable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:07, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Cant de la Senyera

The song "Cant de la Senyera" appears to be a song prominent in the process of Catalan independence. It resulted in the imprisonment of Jordi Pujol

It would be good to see an article explaining why — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.76 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Do any newspapers, books, magazines or academic journals mention the song? Sources in the Catalan language are good too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

This page is for users involved in this project's administration. Please ask this question at the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk. They specialize in answering knowledge questions (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what the Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. --Nathan2055 14:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Since he mentioned it, for kicks I just translated the es.wiki into Cant de la Senyera to improve our coverage. Needs sourcing now though. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Problem with the AfC helper script

Tonite, I reviewed Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Lighting a Billion Lives ( LaBL). I finished my review and reloaded the page and reviewed my review. Then I went to my watch list and imagine my surprise when I discovered another user had reviewed it and it overwrote my review. How does this happen? There certainly has to be a way to prevent two users from getting "the token" at the same time. Gtwfan52 (talk) 09:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

That has never happened before. Honestly, I think it was just a fluke edit conflict. --Nathan2055 14:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was strange. From my end, what it looked like was I had that page open and was going through the resources in different tabs. During this time from the history, Gtwfan declined the submission. I then used AFCHelper to also decline the submission, and to me it looked like everything was normal, and that the script had worked normally. Still, mea culpa for not using the review in progress template. This does look like a fluke conflict though. Tazerdadog (talk) 20:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Nothing that can be done by us developers actually. We can't prevent the script of doing edit conflicts and that is actually such a rare case that this has never happened before... The chance to create an edit conflict has been increased as we catching the page information when clicking on "review" while collecting information and doing cleanups on the page text. Requesting the page text shortly before declining (or accepting) would actually result in a) a slower script and b) much more traffic for the server and the client (web browser) - and I doubt that this kind of extra traffic is useful for preventing any edit conflict. (and edit conflicts are that seldom with that few reviewers and such big backlogs...)

Just my two cents... If there is any consensus I will implement any stuff when having time for it an high priority issues were resolved. mabdul 11:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Let there be UPDATE!!!

Hello, I am back from my short vacation with a nice update to the script coming your way. It is v4.1.19, and is now available to everyone using the stable script (the gadget). It includes all the changes posted here and is really awesome. Give it a try today! Testers: a new beta build will be released soon. I'm just having trouble finding admins to do it for me. :P Thanks, Nathan2055 14:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I've updated beta now, check the changelog here. Remember to WP:BYPASS after this update, everyone! Thanks, Nathan2055 16:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion please: Did I overreact?

With this review of Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Wizkid? Which has now been moved to mainspace by Pratyya Ghosh (talk · contribs) and, as far as I'm concerned, is still highly promotional. See the related thread on my talkpage, also: User talk:Pol430#Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Wizkid for more. Pol430 talk to me 17:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/2013 1#Proposed topic ban from AFC review - Pratyya Ghosh. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

It seems relevant, so I thought I'd mention I raised with the reviewer the question of a review in the last couple of days on Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Luis Ximénez Caballero which should have been declined for reason of the article being written in spanish (and thus directing the user to the correct wikipedia), but was declined for some issue regarding the citations. Any reviewer can make mistakes from time to time, but now I see these comments too, it doesn't inspire confidence. --_nonsense ferret 22:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I see he's also volunteered himself to review other people's reviews in the current backlog drive. Considering the above, perhaps this is not wise? Pol430 talk to me 09:58, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

What should be done?

FloodAlerts was accepted in AfC without any citations. SL93 (talk) 21:31, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Checking the reviewing instructions should be done, by you - they specifically say inline citations are not required. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

There are inline cites now anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I did review it, but did not see it. I hate it when people assume things. SL93 (talk) 23:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I would also recommend telling other reviewers who do the same thing as well. SL93 (talk) 00:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Political candidates on WP

See WT:Articles for creation/Ken Lanci, there's nothing particularly blatant, but it is a rather "nice" article for a person who is busy campaigning for political office - not a single word of criticism. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Does someone have time to email the offices of the guy's political opponents, and ask for title, date, page number , author, and newspaper name of any newspaper that has offered critical comment of the person? Would be nice. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Please investigate that if Hasteur's concerns are subsequently met! thank you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Being a office holder of a trivial sub-state office is questionable notability. Being mayor of the 45th largest city in the US might be notable, but being a candidate for the office does not pass the politician threshold. Being an author on what appears to be a vanity press is does not make the subject a notable author. Style of writing (and lots of 1 sentence paragraphs that read like paraphrases of a bulleted biography) is not compatible with our needs. WP:POLITICIAN is the SNG for politicians/prospective politicians. My reading is that for candidates, they need to be a candidate for a state wide office (or congress) and done something during the campaign that makes for interesting coverage. This subject doesn't (in my mind) meet those requirements so I declined the submission. Hasteur (talk) 02:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Is speedy deletion the new normal?

I recently stumbled upon three different drafts CSD-blanked for what I'd call spurious reasons: One, two and a third one I don't remember. While I of course agree that "unambiguous advertising or promotion" is a speedy deletion criterion, these don't look like particularly egregious offenders to me; certainly not bad enough to warrant speedy deletion, let alone page blanking (I thought that was reserved for copyvios and attack pages?). Have I missed the "let's delete spam more freely" memo? Huon (talk) 06:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I would say that neither of those two are particularly bad, especially in AfC space. Both edit summaries say that they were declined with CSDH, maybe there is a glitch with it that CSDs automatically? --kelapstick 06:11, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I just ran through a scenario of decline, resubmit, decline and blank and CSD, revert to see if it kept the CSD checked. It stayed unchecked so it doesn't look like a glitch to me. --kelapstick 06:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

AFAICS, Neither of those pages is particularly egregious justifying a blanking of the content. I think the reviewer may be confusing the terms of WP:G10. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:45, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I am also curious why the page blanking is an option for advertisement. The tag on it says that it has been blanked for privacy, security, or copyright. None of those apply to advertising. Perhaps that as an option should only be available under certain declining criteria. Have you talked to Arctic Kangaroo about it? I saw you left a note at the other editor's talk page (who I see is a new user). --kelapstick 06:59, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Page blanking in fact is only necessary when possible legal issues are concerned, such as defamatory content about living persons, and copyright issues. Advertising alone is not a reason to blank. Neverthless, all of these cases are generally candidates for speedy deletion, and even ultra-speedy summary deletion at admin discretion if s/he is the first user to come across them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know that. I was just wondering why we are physically able to check off "Blank the submission" as part of the CSDH interface when declining for any reason. You can even blank a submission that is declined because it is a blank submission. It seems like an unnecessary if not inappropriate feature when available for all criteria. --kelapstick 08:45, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

This caused me some "finger trouble" too. The speedy option only becomes available after blanking has been selected but it should be the other way round. Not all speedy-able drafts need to be blanked but all blank-able drafts should be speedied. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:06, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I've just checked again using Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/sandbox - with the helper script you definitely must select blanking before the option to speedy becomes available. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think that flipping those two options would solve some of the issues. --kelapstick 09:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I've never liked the speedy tag that the script adds, it lumps everything into the 'unspecified reason for deletion' category. All CSDs should be listed in their correct category as admins monitor some categories more than others. For example attack pages rarely hang round for more than an hour, whereas I've seen G11's hang around for more than 24hrs. I agree with Roger above that the process is illogical. In the dark past we almost never speedied AfCs, we just just blanked them if they were promotional, attacking, neg BLP, a Type 3 submission or otherwise too 'iffy' to be on display. The CSD parameter was coded into the script much later. Pol430 talk to me 09:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

What I think we should do is only allow the script to blank and CSD for BLPs and copyvios, respectively. It's reported in the tracker (see the notice at the top of this section), and it will be in the next update. --Nathan2055 16:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Except that BLPs are not speedy-able unless they are entirely unsourced and entirely negative in tone. I thought you were going to amend the description of the BLP decline reason in the script menu? Pol430 talk to me 20:10, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

@Kelapstick: There's another tag that says that the reason for blanking the page can be the decline reason. ✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎ 16:06, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, part of the problem is the speedy deletion tag says it is nominated for the reason it was declined. If it is declined for poor referencing CSDH gives the option of blanking and CSDing it for just that reason, and poor referencing is explicitly not a speedy deletion criterion. The speedy deletion and blanking option should actually be removed from CSDH. When a CSD tag is actually required it should be put on manually, or via Twinkle or a similar mechanism. Attack pages are already autoblanked when applying {{db-attack}}. Keeping it in CSDH just allows too much room for human error. --kelapstick 22:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pending AfC submissions is clear!

This is the first time since my year of editing here at WikiProject AfC that I have seen Category:Pending AfC submissions completely free of all articles! Not sure if this is real or someone being disruptive, because this seems too good to be true. It's like the national debt being completely paid. :) Kudos to everyone! Michaelzeng7 (talk) 14:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Amazing, isn't it? I think a thank you for everyone who has been working on this is in place, but be careful, we're not out of the woods yet. The wave of re-submits should be incoming. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/July 2013 Backlog Elimination Drive#Nothing to review!.

@Michaelzeng7 What do you mean "Not sure if this is real or someone being disruptive"? Are you seriously the only editor here who doesn't know about the backlog drive? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, I've heard of the drives, but I've never actually put myself in the right state of mind to join in. :P Michaelzeng7 (talk) 20:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

An award for everyone

		The Articles for Creation barnstar
		This Articles for creation barnstar is bestowed to everyone who helped clear out the backlog. Thanks for all your help! --Nathan2055 15:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

We actually cleared the backlog? This feels so strange...Howicus (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Now you know how it felt back when we had Chzz (talk · contribs) (for those who don't know, Chzz was essentially the Superman of AfC, sometimes reviewing 1000 submissions a day, he left after a big fiasco about IRC). --Nathan2055 18:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

We could use a few more experienced reviewers to help with "reviewing the reviews". This is only my second drive, so I don't feel confident to do it yet. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Ditto, this is my first. --j⚛e decker 23:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

AFCH

The gadget worked perfectly fine for me for weeks, and then all of a sudden, I can't use it. Can somebody find out what's wrong? I use IE9. buffbills7701 18:29, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello. You're using IE9, the first thing I always suggest users of IE do is check to see if they accidentally clicked "compatibility mode". Have you done this? Also, the {{help}} template isn't appropriate as the editors that can help you would be the AFCH developer team (Mabdul—Nathan2055—Technical 13—The Earwig—Excirial), so you aren't any more likely to find someone by using a template that attracts many other editors. Anyways, let's work through this problem. Technical 13 (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

@Buffbills7701: - Something else you should know is that the script is known to work horribly on IE. We develop and deploy the script using Firefox, so it is our recommended browser. --Nathan2055 18:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Striking simply wrong comment mabdul 19:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

@buffbills7701 We have restored the version from June. We didn't realized that the WMF introduced yet another feature that prevents us from loading other script in that way we doing it right now. mabdul 19:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm on Firefox now, and it still doesn't work. buffbills7701 19:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Script error: Section headings

Please take a look at this edit: The Helper script removes the newlines for section headings, appending them to the end of the previous paragraph and thus breaking the sections. Huon (talk) 23:51, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

THX, known but forgotten bug. Hopefully will be fixed within a week, maybe revert the script to even an early version! mabdul 23:59, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Band review

Can someone please take another look at this article Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Hookworms (band)? Among the references I found four or maybe five good reviews and an interview, and I marked them by adding the name of the reviewer. —Anne Delong (talk) 06:06, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

The NME and Clash sources should be reliable, however I can't open them here to see the depth of coverage. --kelapstick 06:11, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

AFC backlog drive signup change

Hiyas everyone,

I made a slight change to the way the AFC backlog sign-up works. Instead of asking the user to list him or herself under the the totals list, a new section named Participants has been added to the drive page, and a new template {{AFCDriveSignup}} has been made to register the addition. Why was this done you ask? Well, lets have another one of those dotted lists I'm addicted to!

• The new template combines AFCBuddy's signup with the regular drive signup. Not only is this simpler from an end-user perspective, it also prevents issues due to the user adding him or herself to AFCBuddy's signup but not the drive page.
• The separate section and template are easy to parse programmatically. Right now these list must be changed to a comma separated list manually by me, which is somewhat error prone (If not boring) work.

I hope no one has an issue with my out-of-the-blue change; If you do, please let me know. Also, if someone notes an instance in the documentation still instructing the user to sign up under the "totals" list, or asks for them to sign up at AFCBuddy's talk page, please correct that or give me a nudge asking me to fix that. Excirial 10:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Farid Dms Debah needs reviewer that can read French

There are many French sources in Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Farid Dms Debah so it needs a French speaking/reading reviewer of which I am not. If someone could get that please. Also, you may have to manually review it since the tool isn't working on that article (I'm working on that) because it was previously deleted. (Fix might be in beta already...) I'll report back in a moment... Technical 13 (talk) 12:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

- Looking... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Here goes:

http://offdecannes.fr/fr/page/laureats.html/ is a 404 (dead link)

http://www.lasemaine.org/la-semaine-pres-de-chez-vous/animation?id_animation=5216/ is a notice of an exhibition featuring the subject's photos

http://www.le-court.com/festivals/festival_fiche.php?festival_id=226&precedente_id=184#precedente/ is the web site of the French Short Film festival in Fréjus. No mention of the subject in the accessed page

http://akas.imdb.com/name/nm1096148/awards/ is a 404 (dead link)

http://www.le-court.com/festivals/festival_fiche.php?festival_id=417&precedente_id=819#precedente/ is the web site of the French Short Film festival in Fréjus. Confirms the subject as the recipient of the award: 2006 Prix coup de cœur du public, for the film Le Bourreau des innocents A 'coup de coeur public' is a low-level award voted by the attending audience at an award ceremony.

http://off-de-cannes.com/fr/blog/2012/02/23/emir-kusturika-remet-les-off-de-cannes-2007/ confirms the subject as the recipient of the 2007 'off' Cannes Golden Palm for his film Le bourreau des innocents

http://www.24courts.fr/?p=214#more-214/ confirms the subject as the recipient of the 2007 'Young Jury's prize for Le bourreau des innocents

http://catalogue.bnf.fr/servlet/biblio?idNoeud=1&ID=40184046&SN1=0&SN2=0&host=catalogue/ is the entry in the National Library of France for the book À gauche de l'écran, Ilario Calvo 2005, 180 pages, ISBN 2-915640-13-0, for which the subject wrote the preface.

Over to you, reviewers :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

• Kudpung, since you are an administrator, can you check the deleted page history for this person and tell me if this draft would be eligible for deletion under G5 (recreation of deleted article) if it was in article space? I have a person in IRC that translated the article from http://fr.wikipedia.org/Farid_Dms_Debah to here. Thanks. Technical 13 (talk) 13:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Created in 2006 by user:Marie75. Was deleted in 2008 at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Farid Dms Debah. The original article was unreferenced and largely comprised just long tables of the subject's projects. No resemblance to the current version. In my opinion, the current version makes sufficient claims to notability to escape WP:A7, and although thresholds for notability on fr.Wiki are lower than on en.Wiki, it might survive AfD - he user is noted for some important awards, and almost certainly additional refs such as articles about him in the established media could be found with further research. That's my opinion, but I'm not a reviewer here ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I've declined the submission for a second time due to the significant MoS and procedural faults that would almost certainly leave this submission open to a AfD within hours of hitting mainspace. The IP address did not address any of my concerns from the first decline, so per the "Please note that if the issues are not fixed, the draft will be rejected again." I invoked the decline again. I also listed explicitly the problems. Hasteur (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Duplicate references

Dear reviewers: I have seen several articles lately in which a reliable source has written a report about an event, and then two or three other newspapers have copied the text, giving an attribution to the original paper. Is it suitable, in a case like that, for a Misplaced Pages article to refer to all of these papers, or should only the originating article be cited? I can see arguments both ways; for example, if the article appears in several papers, it shows that the editors of those papers thought that the topic was of wider interest than that of other articles which they chose not to reprint. Here's an example: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Graham Rogers (actor). —Anne Delong (talk) 12:11, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd say if they are mere reprints, such as the Allvoices copy of a Variety article in the example draft you gave, there's no reason whatsoever not to go to the original source - in fact I'd say Variety is a much more reliable source than Allvoices; we'd lose out by going with the latter. Huon (talk) 19:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Unable to delete a copyright violation

Dear reviewers: This article Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Ocucaje is a copyright violation of (a link I can't show you because of the spam filter) (which in turn it seems, copied it from another site no longer on the web). However, when I try to nominate it for deletion, either with the script or with Twinkle, I am blocked because apparently the link is triggering the spam filter. Being spam doesn't seem to be a good reason not to delete copyright material. What to do? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I would suggest simply declining it for now with a comment as the url of the cv. Then put the db-g12|url=page tag up (with the two curly brackets around it). Hopefully you can get the url in one of the two ways.LionMans Account (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Guess I was too slow. LionMans Account (talk) 17:47, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done by User:GorillaWarfare with help from The Earwig's duplication detector and Google to find the source. Next time, if you pop into #wikipedia-en or #wikipedia-en-help you may have better luck, there's no spam filters on IRC. ~Charmlet 17:52, 8 July 2013 (UTC)