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| The article should mention his 9th symphony, which, published in 1945, was meant to be a bombastic triumph symphony for the red army by the authorities, but in fact was rather mocking. It added very much their disliking Shostakovich. ] 13:25, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC) | The article should mention his 9th symphony, which, published in 1945, was meant to be a bombastic triumph symphony for the red army by the authorities, but in fact was rather mocking. It added very much their disliking Shostakovich. ] 13:25, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC) | ||
| :] does mention that; it's not in the main article because it wasn't one of the works that marked a turning point in his life (since he was already in disfavour because of number 8). ] 03:09, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC) | :] does mention that; it's not in the main article because it wasn't one of the works that marked a turning point in his life (since he was already in disfavour because of number 8). ] 03:09, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC) | ||
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| I love Shostakovich. Be sure to find and listen to the 1st movement of his "4th Ballet Suite." It's one of the most incredible things I've ever heard. | |||
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I've done version 1.0 of a rewrite: some NPOVing, cutting the rather ejaculatory account of the cello concerto, and expanding and (hopefully) clarifying the Testimony/revisionism section. I have a few hundred pages of stuff to work through on that, so more to come. I'll keep it concise. :) Markalexander100 05:08, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- If the Testimony debate has become such a large part of the article, why not spin it off to its own article? Crculver 14:33, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It certainly wouldn't be a bad idea to have an article specifically on Testimony (at Testimony (book) with a note pointing there form Testimony), though there needs to be some mention of it here as well, of course. --Camembert
- Since the debate regarding "the extent to which Shostakovich expressed his opposition to the state in his other music" is a major part of today's Shostakovich perception, there would need to be more than a short mention here. gestumblindi
- I disagree. The extent to which Shostakovich stood against the Soviets in a major part of the perception of 25 years ago. Nowadays Shostakovich is seen more and more as just another socialist-realist composer who genuinely supported the Communist state. Thus I don't think there is anything lacking in this article. Crculver 15:42, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Well, there's certainly a continuing debate about it. I plan to hive off the points specific to Testimony into a separate article, as suggested, and include more in the article about the politics/music relationship. Bear with me. :) Markalexander100 02:17, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Testimony_(book) has been done; comments there would be welcome. Markalexander100 02:05, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Version 1.1. There are still some gaps, but I'm working on them. I've treated the life and works together, since they're so intertwined. It might be a bit long, but he did live in interesting times. ;) Some of the works material can be hived off into separate pages- I've started working through the symphonies. I've tried to source controversial (read political) material in undisputed sources (generally letters), rather than the reminiscences of friends or official pronouncements, both of which some people have doubts on. If and when they are used, we need to take care to flag the source, contextualise and generally NPOV.
For the rest of the article, I envisage sections on Shostakovich the man (interests, personality) and on interpreting the music (incorporating the current Politics section), and a more complete list of works in place of the Symphonies section. The descriptions of the symphonies can then go in daughter articles.
- I got the list of works up, don't know if you want to keep the symphony section up. MasonM 05:19, 11 April 2004 (UTC)
I cut the reference to Tea for Two- the event was some time in the 20s, so it's not evidence of having been a child prodigy. Markalexander100 02:31, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
9th symphony
The article should mention his 9th symphony, which, published in 1945, was meant to be a bombastic triumph symphony for the red army by the authorities, but in fact was rather mocking. It added very much their disliking Shostakovich. Malbi 13:25, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Symphony No. 9 (Shostakovich) does mention that; it's not in the main article because it wasn't one of the works that marked a turning point in his life (since he was already in disfavour because of number 8). Markalexander100 03:09, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Be sure to listen....
I love Shostakovich. Be sure to find and listen to the 1st movement of his "4th Ballet Suite." It's one of the most incredible things I've ever heard.