Misplaced Pages

Specifically what are you guys' objections to the now deleted genetic relations info? What do you mean the hypothesis of Azeris and Armenians is unreliable? The source given was a peer reviewed scientific study conducted by an Armenian an Azeri among others, it was published in a reputable journal, what more can you expect? We shouldn't be deleting this information solely because we are uncomfortable with what it entails. Also, I don't see what is contradictory about the studies, Ευπάτωρ, please explain. Almost every other ethnic group has a genetics section, so should Armenians.E10ddie (talk) 01:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Armenians in Iraq

The list of Armenians in the diaspora doesnt give any figures for Iraq which is well known to have a sizeable population, at least 20,000 in Baghdad alone, overall at least 20,000, maybe upto 60,000 (http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=ARM) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.125.203 (talk) 00:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments on images

Great work on making quality images Aivazonsky! Here we can post our comments:

Steelmate (talk) 13:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hamshenis

Shouldn't we add the number of Hamshenis to the Armenian population of Turkey? This would bring the total number to something like 470,000. Moreover, I feel that there is a precedent for this, as the Georgians add those georgians in Iran and Turkey, who have been in those countries for centuries and no longer speak Georgian. E10ddie (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC) Since I haven't heard any opposition, I went ahead and factored into account the number of Hamshens into Turkey's Armenian population. The sourse only gave a total population of Hamshen at 230,000, and so I added the commonly respected number of 70,000 professed Armenians to this. So in actuality, the 300,000 number come from both my new sourse and the traditional sources. Moreover, I feel it is necessary to include Hamshens regardless of how they view themselves, due to the precedent set in the wikipedia pages of other ethnic groups. See Germans, which includes Austrians, who, by no means, consider themselves German, though they are ethnically identical.E10ddie (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It is not agreed that there are 70,000 Armenians in Turkey, the concensus is anywhere from 40,000 to 70,000.--Moosh88 (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but wouldn't the upper limit of the acceptable Armenian population in Turkey still be 300,000=70,000+230,000?E10ddie (talk)

Armenian Population

The latest CIA Factbook states that Armenia's estimated population is 2.9 million. I think the vast majority of sources have the pop under 3 million and I think we should change the 3.2 million figure accordingly. If I don't see any objections, I'll change it in a few days. E10ddie (talk) 04:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Well 2.9m are for older sources, now its mostly over 3m+. --Namsos (talk) 00:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Most numbers of Armenian in the world should be fixed .. for example in Jordan it does not exceed 4,000.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joudig (talk • contribs) 20:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Folks, let's concentrate to make this article featured!

What are the issues here that prevent it to be featured? Please list them here! Steelmate (talk) 02:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

Please see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Afghan British (contains proposal for deletion of the Israeli British article). Badagnani (talk) 05:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

US Armenians

I added a new source that states there are 1 million and half armenians in the US, stating made officially by Barack Obama. Also to mention that the Armeniandiaspora.com source claims 1,400,000 Armenians living in the US. Greetings, --Vitilsky (talk) 15:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Jordan

There are not 70,000 Armenians in Jordan. I don't think there are even 7,000. The given source is incorrect. TA-ME (talk) 14:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Infobox madness

The infobox "lots of little flag icons" clutter is generally difficult to contain, but this was a particularly bad case. The infobox listed 41(!) "significant" populations. I argue there is no way populations smaller than 1% of the total can be considered "significant". And this is stretching the term "significant" -- it would be more sensible to put it at 5%, which would give us a clean list of four populations (Armenia, Russia, US, France) in the infobox, which would actually be a meaningful summary of where Armenians tend to live. Yes, these days people from any nation tend to be found in infinitesimal numbers in each and every country worldwide, this is perfectly unremarkable and hardly a reason to take up significant screen space filled with a colorful presentation of the world's flags at the top of an article. --dab (𒁳) 09:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Armenian Apostolic Church

The Armenian Apostolic Church is not "Monophysite". The primary system Christology it adheres to (along with the Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopian, and Indian churches) is rather Miaphysitism. And while it is certainly correct to refer to the AAC as "Miaphysite", this system of Christology is also shared with other church bodies, and thus winds up being non-distinguishing. It would be better to refer to the AAC as "Oriental Orthodox" or "Non-Chalcedonian". Deusveritasest (talk) 09:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, while the term "Miaphysite" actually describes the Christology of the Armenian Apostolic Church, unlike "Monophysite", Miaphysitism is ultimately shared by all other churches except for the Assyrian Church of the East (on the basis of the Council of Ephesus or the Second Council of Constantinople) and thus winds up being inappropriately non-descriptive and non-distinguishing. I once again recommend "Non-Chalcedonian" as actually describing the Oriental Orthodox Churches as distinct from the Chalcedonian Churches. Deusveritasest (talk) 06:56, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Armenian Worldwide Population

There seems to be an ongoing battle between the total population of Armenians Worldwide. It is currently stating 8 Million, however according to the Source, it is 10 Million. I personally think it should be changed to 10 Million, as it appears to be the most accurate estimate. Opinions Please! Oh, and another thing, the Largest population figures should be changed to the 10 or so Largest Disapora Communties, instead of places like Czech Republic where only 10,000 or so Armenians live (I actually doubt there are even 10,000 in the Czech Republic! (Shakarian141 (talk) 00:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC))

Armenian Popultion per country

In the Armenian diaspora article the section about the population breakdown per country is just being reviewed mainly being updated with reliable and current sources corresponding Talk page section. As there are also numbers given here, I invite anyone working on this article to watch and support this process.
Greets from Munich, 88.65.43.247 (talk) 09:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I find it RIDICULOUS that there is no mention about the actual REAL Armenians that actaully still live in Present day Turkey today. There is about 75,000-100,000 ARMENIANS in TUrkey today, especially in ISTANBUL. Why On EARTH is this not mentioned on here?? It should be the most important FACT! The Armenians Living in Turkey are the actual "REAL ARMENIANS" speaking the "REAL ARMENIAN". So much ignorance out there and people have no clue that for an ARMENIAN to live in TURKEY is probably harder than an ARMENIAN living in any other COuntry! The Armenians in TURKEY are still a very strong community and carry and follow tradition despite Turkish pressure at times.. I am Armenian from Turkey, BOLSAHYE that is.. and I have lots of Family in Istanbul and I have to say TURKEY is a gorgeous Country and they have perfected so much from textiles, to the most delicious MIDDLE EASTERN Cuisine that being TURKISH Cuisine! I LOVE TURKEY, the country very much because it is soo soo beautiful in soo soo many ways! I go to ISTANBUL at least 1 every 2 yrs & I have the time of my life and never want to LEAVE!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.132 (talk) 06:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide

The debate over the status of the Armenian Genocide should probably occur on talk rather than in an edit war. How is it POV to say that the AG is not proven and is rather an opinionated theory? Isn't this simply the truth? Deusveritasest (talk) 00:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

THERE ARE AN ESTIMATED 10 MILLION ARMENIANS, NOT 8 MILLIONS

The idiots who keep changing the info stating that there are only 8 Million Armenians worldwide are wrong, as according to all sources available there are an estimated 10 million Armenians. Please can we discuss this properly. 82.12.123.187 (talk) 17:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Armenians by country in Infobox

The edit warring between anons has to stop, and IP user 82.12.123.187 has to change his/her style and language (see WP:CIVIL). I have changed the number for Russia to comply with the cited source (which has been there for ages: only the population number in the Infobox was arbitrarily changed from 1.1 to 2 million by anon on 18 February 2009). I have also provided an up-to-date reference for the figure of "about" 1 million Armenians in U.S. and Canada and reconfigured the corresponding footnote. It now remains to go over the numbers for all the countries after U.S., starting with Iran, and check them carefully against the cited sources. It may be necessary to add some countries and delete others as marginal, but every number should be supported by a reliable source. Please respect my sourced research and move on to checking new information. --Zlerman (talk) 05:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Disputes Resolved?

It appears the disputes between the number of Armenians has been resolved. Again, these are only estimates, so they vary greatly from 7-12 Million, but the current information is sourced accurately. --Shakarian141 (talk) 20:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Mention of "de jure"

It's not significant that we mention "de jure" every place where "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" is mentioned. People interested in details can click on the link and they can see that. It is plain ridiculous to add it everywhere, especially in an already cluttered table! (I'm referring to the population table.) Serouj (talk) 06:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh's current status is perhaps the most significant characteristic of its existence, and its direct relation to the Armenian people makes it necessary for the comment to be provided. A similar situation is observed in the article about Ossetians. Parishan (talk) 06:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not significant enough to this article, especially not in a table listing Armenian populations throughout the world. The de jure / de facto technicalities are mentioned in its respective article. The don't need to be repeated everywhere where NKR is mentioned. Let's be practical and realistic. Serouj (talk) 07:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

If it were just a 'technicality', Nagorno-Karabakh's status would be not be a subject of discussions at the international level for 15 years. Apparently is it more important than some of us think. Parishan (talk) 07:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

As important as it may be, it is irrelevant in the context of this article. It is plenty mentioned in its own article and readers can educate themselves there. Serouj (talk) 07:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

A comment that brief cannot affect the quality of the article. It must be mentioned in light of Nagorno-Karabakh's controversial status. Parishan (talk) 07:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

To add "de jure" is a small comment and in fact improves the quality of this article. also note how the Ossetians article also includes "de jure" comment. Neftchi (talk) 10:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Armenian population in AZ outside of NKR

Astourian's paper on the global Armenian population is one of the only academic analysis of this topic. The cited paper on 30,000 Armenians in AZ outside of NKR is plain false. Even the article says, "The Armenians in Azerbaijan are largely concentrated in the break-away region of Nagorno-Karabakh, but there are some smaller Armenian communities scattered throughout Azerbaijan." There are practically no Armenians remaining in AZ who overtly identify as Armenian. What regards those who have Armenian ancestry but don't express it, that is effectively non-Armenian (needless to say difficult to count!). Serouj (talk) 06:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Before talking about Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh, the article states: "While some Armenians remain in Azerbaijan (approximately 30,000), they are not represented in these codes." This is enough data for the figure to be included. You have to understand that you cannot express your disagreement with a neutral source and remove it from the article just because your gut feeling tells you that it "is plain false." Whether those people identify themselves overty as Armenian or not is a sociological issue, not a demographic one.

As for the source being 'outdated' (1998), the latest published population figures by ethnicity in Azerbaijan are those from the 1999 census, therefore it is not outdated in the Azerbaijani context. Parishan (talk) 06:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Where is the Azeri census showing 30,000 Armenians? Serouj (talk) 07:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

For your information, the Azerbaijani census mentions 120,700 Armenians living in Azerbaijan as of 1999 . But since we are trying to reach a compromise here, it is fair for Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh to be mentioned separate from the Armenians elsewhere in Azerbaijan. Parishan (talk) 07:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

It would make more sense that we go with a single academic source from a particular point in time, rather than a hodgepodge of various sources from various time periods. The single academic source has done his due diligence at a particular point in time (around 2002). Further, the Azeri census is counting the Armenian population of NKR as part of Azerbaijan, which would mean we would be double-counting them if we were to have another category for Azerbaijan in the list. Serouj (talk) 07:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

No, we will not. We are not using the census results in this article for that very reason. Note that the population figures for Nagorno-Karabakh in the article are given by an unrelated Armenian source, whereas the '30,000' figure on Azerbaijan, provided by CIDCM, only includes Armenians of Azerbaijan living outside Nagorno-Karabakh. Parishan (talk) 07:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

""While some Armenians remain in Azerbaijan (approximately 30,000), they are not represented in these codes." I challenge the accuracy of this statement from this article as it goes against the most commonly accepted notion that there was a population swap between Azerbaijan and Armenia -- the Azeris in Armenia returned to Azerbaijan, while the Armenians in Azerbaijan (other than the ones in NKR) fled Azerbaijan to Armenia, NKR, and elsewhere. One marginal source that has two words ("approximately 30,000") devoted to this issue cannot be used to go against what is commonly held to be true by the vast majority of sources: that no Armenians remain in AZ outside of NKR. Serouj (talk) 07:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

You have a skewed perception of the situation. There was never a 100% population swap, at least not in the case with Armenians in Azerbaijan. Even Armenian sources confirm this.

"A few thousand Armenians did remain in Baku; they were members of mixed marriage families." (Razmik Panossian. The Armenians. Columbia University Press, 2006; p. 281)

"It is estimated that only 18000 Armenians still live in Azerbaijan proper, while tens of thousands of Azeris left Armenian-controlled Nagorno-Karabakh." (Mario Apostolov. The Christian-Muslim Frontier. Routledge, 2004; p. 67)

"There are 30,000 Armenians in Baku, reports local Zerkalo newspaper referring to UN HCR Rutt Lubbers. He highly commended Azerbaijan who "has created conditions for Armenians to live in its territory even though the Karabakh conflict is not over." (Arminfo, 27 November 2004).

"Approximately 10,000-30,000 Armenians (almost exclusively persons of mixed descent or mixed marriages) remain in Azerbaijan (in addition to Armenians residing in Nagorno-Karabakh)." (Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor. Country Reports on Human Rights Practices. 2001)

"As a consequence, the estimated 10,000 to 30,000 Armenians who remain in Azerbaijan are unable to attend their traditional places of worship." (Barbara Larkin. International Religious Freedom (2000): Report to Congress by the Department of State. DIANE Publishing, 2001; p. 256) Parishan (talk) 08:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

OK. Please include all 6 references when you add it back in (the 10k-30k figure). Thanks. Serouj (talk) 08:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

These "Armenians", whatever their true numbers may be are essentially those from mixed marriages and such. That should be indicated when providing any numbers.-- Ευπάτωρ 16:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Done and done. Parishan (talk) 02:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Wtf? You just reverted. I added the note.-- Ευπάτωρ 16:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Its been added by Serouj and please remain civil, I dont believe your use of language is appropriate. Neftchi (talk) 18:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

This information was removed, I restored it. Neftchi (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Population of Armenia?

This article puts the number of Armenians in Armenia at 2,500,000 while the article of Armenia itself puts the number at 3,231,900 based on the armstat.am site. This kind of difference is inacceptable for a encyclopedia and a commen figure should be reflected in both articles, so whats the correct number? Neftchi (talk) 10:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Official figures are inflated according to many sources. Serouj (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I readed about that, I suggest we change the population in Armenia article to the given numbers in this article? Neftchi (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It's probably best to note both the official figure and estimates by scholars in a footnote. (In the Armenia country, official statistics probably should take precedent.) Serouj (talk) 23:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I added the estimate by scholars to the infobox and left a note in disuccions here. Neftchi (talk) 17:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

You didnt include the estimate of 2,500,000 in the infobox but only the source, what good is adding a source without even using it in the article? This edit seems misleading. As you said yourself Official figures are inflated according to many sources and that the estimate of 2,500,000 is more realistic. I suggest we use the following approach in the infobox as 2,500,000 - 3,200,000 million. Any feedback on this? Neftchi (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Also I would like to note that you gave Official numbers only in country Info box as the reason for your edit but the infobox in this article right here is at 2,500,000 which is a scholar estimate. It is simply unacceptable for a encyclopedia to have such great differences on the estimate of the Armenian nation in Armenia and Armenian people articles. Neftchi (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Country articles conventionally use official numbers. This articles ("Armenians") is not a country article, so we can use outside sources. For the Armenia article, I footnoted 3,200,000, not referenced it. Serouj (talk) 18:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The World Bank gives an Armenian population of 2.95 million and another more reliable source, Cia.gov, has this estimate: 2,967,004 (July 2009 est.) Of these, 97.7% are Armenian, here is the link: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/am.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkhach (talk • contribs) 10:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Arbitrary numbers being added to population

This is directed at User:Hovhannesk: Please don't add arbitrary numbers to the Armenian population section unless you reference them and with discussion. Astourian's analysis is the most complete one as it covers the global Armenian population. I'm reverting your additions of arbitrary and uncited numbers. Please discuss. Serouj (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

appropriate infobox images

I would like to discuss this more centrally, see here. --dab (𒁳) 07:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

False image of an "Armenian girl" and its comment

{{editsemiprotected}} On October 4th, of 2009, "ArmenianKing" added an image of a Slavic-looking girl to the Culture section. In addition, the comment to the image states: "An Armenian girl holding a baby, Armenians are Aryan Caucasian people with blonde/red hair with blue/green eyes. Most Armenians have brown/black hair with dark brown/hazel eyes due to the diaspora." All three (the image, the comment, and its reference) are inapproriate and/or false.

Let me start by saying that the girl on the image does not look as ethnic Armenian at all. Anyone who has seen Armenians and any Slavic peoples, will tell you this. Armenians are generally not blond. If this picture was taken in Armenia, then she must be a Molokan Russian. Molokan Russians who live in Armenia moved there in 19th century and constitute less than 1% of Armenia's population. While they are full citizens of the Republic of Armenia like everyone else living there, passing this picture as an image of an "Armenian" girl is clearly misleading. However, even if the picture was taken in Armenia, a picture of an ethnic Russian living in Armenia does not belong to an article on the Armenian ethnicity.

Second, the claim that Armenians are an "Aryan Caucasian people" again should be removed as it is not even clear what "Aryan" means today. Since the World War 2, this is considered a racially and politically charged term, and no social scientists (linguists, etc) use it for any scientific purpose.

Finally, the reference of the comment leads to the web site http://www.armenianaryans.com/AC/index.php5 which is some discussion board can can't be used as a reference.

Given that the whole thing (the image, comment, and the reference) is a troll post, I suggest to remove the image from the article.

Urchalka2000 (talk) 12:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

 Already done ] (talk · contribs) took care of this. Celestra (talk) 16:22, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Population?

according to the article, there are 760.000 Armenians living in USA and 100,000 in Canada but another wiki article (White Genocide) says 385,488 in USA and 40,505 in Canada. These polls are from Census datas and I think census is more reliable. please re-edit that one is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.219.152 (talk) 21:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

You are incorrect, both censuses are old. There are currently over 1.2 million Armenians in the United States, check the Armenian American article. Also, the number of Armenians in Armenia is not 2.5 million, it is roughly 99.7% of the countries 3 million, thus 2,910,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkhach (talk • contribs) 10:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Armenian names

Is there some article on Misplaced Pages that explains why Armenian names (in my admittedly very limited experience) tend to always end with the "ian/yan" sound? Looking at just the political leadership of Armenia and the NKR, we have: Sargsyan, Abrahamyan, Sahakyan, Harutyunyan, Kocharyan, Ter-Pretrossian. Is this suffix in all Armenian names, and does it have any particular meaning? --Golbez (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

See -յան in Wiktionary. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 14:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Some mention of this really needs to be added to this article (by someone who can reference it better than I can), as I'm sure I'm not the only one curious about this. I had a feeling it was similar to Iceland's -sson and -dottir, but there seemed to only be the one form. --Golbez (talk) 13:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Raptorjeebus, 7 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I wanted to edit the "religion" section for the Armenians since I know that a significant minority is Atheist/Agnostic. You're acceptance for my permission to edit the following page would be very appreciated.

Raptorjeebus (talk) 21:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: Sorry, you can only request certain edits be made such as "x should be y" and provide a source. We can't grant you permission to edit the article. Your best bet is to wait the time until you are autoconfirmed, a few days. SpigotMap 21:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Balkan origin

J. P. Mallory's " In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology and Myth." book state that there is a general consensus that Armenians like Phrygians migrated to Anatolia from the Balkans. Are there any source for "which originated in the Caucasus and the Armenian Highland"? The Urartu people are older than Proto-Armenians in the Armenian Highland.Kavas (talk) 13:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The source was Thomas Gamkrelidze, I now see it. Perhaps, we should mention Balkan origin theory. Kavas (talk) 13:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Armenians in Turkey

I find it ridiculous that there is no mention whatsoever of the amount of ARMENIANS that reside & live in TURKEY today!! For GOD SAKES there is close too 100,000 ARMENIANS living in Turkey today, especially in ISTANBUL! There are thousands of other ARMENIANS in TURKEY that dont even know that they are ARMENIAN!! The Armenians that live in Turkey today are the actual REAL Armenians believe it or not. The Armenian dialect spoken in Turkey is the REAL Armenian Dialect! The Armenian dialects spoken in ARMENIA, IRAN etc is not the real armenian! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ] (] • ])

less shouting, more WP:RS, please. --dab (𒁳) 09:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Infobox

File:Armenian infobox.jpg

• Tigranes the Great • Moses of Chorene • Gregory the Illuminator • Saint Mesrob
• Basil I • Basil II • Constantine IX Monomachos • Photios the Great
• Roustam Raza • Ignacy Łukasiewicz • Mikhail Loris-Melikov • Ivan Aivazovsky

This has absolutely no women in it..and some are not even native Armenians, maybe they could be used in articles with Armenians in the diaspora...Armenia81 (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Russian Armenians

Why no picture of Armen Dzhigarkhanyan? Or Tigran Keosayan? Or Yevgeny Petrosyan? Is there some bias against Russian Armenians going on here? :) --SergeiXXX (talk) 03:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

These is no problem with putting a picture of an Armenian living in Russia, or an Armenian born into what was part of Armenia during the USSR teritory. Most people would agree that an Armenian is a person who was born and raised in Armenia with Armenian as thier mother tongue.....everybody else would be considered a descendent of an Armenian therefore not an Armenian but a person of Armenian ancestry. This applies to everybody in the United states for example...having ancestry is one thing compared to actually being born or raised in the country..thats why we aknowledge a diaspora...the first exampe you gave would of been fine though as he was clearly born in the Armenian USSR.Cuba2010 (talk) 10:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Genetics...again

I see that there has already been some talk about genetics. Somebody recently added in this muddled paragraph, which I tried editing, but it still seemed kind of random and abrupt...so I deleted it:

"Armenians are classified as Caucasoids, and often have and have white or olive skin. Hair color is mostly dark brown; 58% belongs to this category while black and medium brown account for 18% each. The remaining 6% is almost entirely reddish brown. 73% of ethnic Armenians have brown eyes; which is divided almost evenly between dark brown, light brown, and mixed-brown shades. Mixed and light eyes, mostly green-brown, but also including 2% of pure blue, total 34% in the city of Van and 11% in Kaisarie."

Perhaps somebody can add to the genetics section? I think that that would be interesting and good to expand it.Preservedmoose (talk) 03:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 85.98.117.193, 16 April 2011

ONE OF pictures states that Van is west of Armenia. If you really do not know where it is, please let us with our OWN conflict with Armenians!!! 85.98.117.193 (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: Van is west of Armenia, but I believe it's saying it was in western Armenia in 1902. — Bility (talk) 21:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Infobox

I think it’s time to update the infobox. At first, I don’t know the reason why Hayk Nahapet is in the list – he’s a hero of a legend originally written(not composed) by Movses Khorenaci, writing his name in the infobox is the same like for Greeks to write Heracles or Athena in their one. I don’t understand the logic of including Gagik Carukyan, Serj Sarqsyan, Sirusho… I suggest to enlarge the infobox, make it 5 rows each containing 5 portraits.

1st row:

Tigranes the Great • Rhipsime • Saint Mesrob • Moses of Chorene • Mamikonian

2nd row:

Narses • Gagik I • John I Tzimiskes • Basil II • Gregory of Narek

3rd row:

Sayat-Nova • Ivan Aivazovsky • Komitas Vardapet • Garegin Njdeh

4th row:

Hovhannes Tumanyan • Martiros Saryan • Sergei Parajanov • Gohar Gasparyan • Arshile Gorky

5th row:

Aram Khachaturian • Vazgen I • Charles Aznavour • Serj Tankian • Levon Aronian

Vahan.hovh 17:19, 28 April 2011 (UTC).

Mimar Sinan Muslim Ottoman Turks Not Armenian Please Delete Mimar Sinan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fraktis (talk • contribs) 05:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I like you thinking, the thing is, this maybe to many people. Maybe cut a few people? MosMusy (talk) 05:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Please remove Mimar Sinan. He is an Ottoman Turk and isn't even Armenian culturally. Also, get rid of these pictures and add recent Armenians from 19th-21st century! This is a joke, you must edit the infobox! I don't even know some of these people. Add famous Armenians at least! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.238.185 (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Why is it that in the Armenian people pictures section, half of them are just paintings or drawings of Armenians? Why can't we add modern Armenian pictures? I mean, you added someone like Mimar Sinan who isn't even famous or someone who can represent Armenians. There are so many famous Armenians that you left out. Please, it's a disgrace. Look at the page for French,German,Georgian people: They're all mostly modern. Why is Armenian people's picture section so abnormal. Please fix it and add popular Armenian faces. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.238.185 (talk) 21:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you guys actually decide to use this montage instead of the one that is currently up you could/should also add William Saroyan and George Deukmejian.Preservedmoose (talk) 23:15, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

POLAND

In Poland lived 70 000 Armienian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.216.105.230 (talk) 10:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Armenian-clergyman.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

Strong gender inequality

The infobox in this article comes across as extremely unbalanced - 20 famous Armenians, and every single one of them is a male? I admit to not being an expert on Armenian culture, but I would not have thought it to be a culture where women aren't visible or where women aren't allowed to participate in society, so surely there must be famous female Armenians. I would strongly encourage quite drastic changes to the infobox, replacing at least 7-8 of the all-male gallery with females. The way the infobox currently looks, visitors who come to the article will immediately get the idea that Armenian culture is exclusively male dominated. Jeppiz (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

What does gender inequality has to do with being famous? Take a look at any other nation and you'll see there are only few females.--Yerevanci (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I know that they aren't the most well-liked people and, based on their articles, not completely of Armenian descent, but the Kardashian sisters are famous women of Armenian descent. In fact, they're probably the most famous people of Armenian descent right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.61.48 (talk) 04:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

They are only famous in the US and not in any other country, even Armenia. She is only half Armenian and is actually only known for her sex tape and can't be considered a notable.--Yerevanci (talk) 15:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Kim Kardashian's article was viewed 738,180 times in the last 30 days and is ranked #66 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org — that's very notable. — Jm3 (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

And I'm sure that her article was viewed times more than Einstein's article. Does that make her more notable than him?--Yerevanci (talk) 17:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Viktor Hambarzumyan's inclusion in the infobox

I strongly recommend the addition of Viktor Hambardzumyan to the infobox. He is one of the founders of astrophysics, and worked in the fields of stellar astronomy, quantum mechanics and particle physics. Some of his biggest work include the discovery that the electron was outside the nucleus and predicted the neutron before it was even discovered. His work has been been at the foundations of the quantum field theory and he developed theories for the physics of young stars and the effect that galactic cores have on the galaxy itself. Not only is this man one of the fathers of astrophysics, he is probably the most influential Armenian scientist of all time, if not one of the most influential astrophysicists ever. Tigernose (talk) 00:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, I totally agree with you. But who do you think can he replace on the infobox? That's the hard part.--Yerevanci (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I've got nothing against half-Armenians at all, but someone whose parents are both Armenians should probably be considered more relevant to an article about the Armenian ethnic group than someone with one Armenian parent? Therefore, if Cher is there, why isn't Kim Kardashian (but, as a sane person, I recognise the uselessness of the latter!)? So, my personal recommendation would be removing Cher and adding Hambardzumyan chronologically according to his birth onto the infobox. Although I also suggest Hrant Dink's removal. Again, I'm not understating his significance, but I have the feeling he may be on the infobox because of his assassination. To be honest, I think everybody on the infobox deserves their spot, but relativity speaking - Hambardzumyan deserves his spot as much as any person on the infobox. Tigernose (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I got you! --Yerevanci (talk) 03:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

So why hasn't Viktor Hambardzumyan been included in the most recent version of the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.222.221 (talk) 07:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

No idea. Why did you remove it Yerevanci? I'd replace Arshile Gorky, personally. Tigernose (talk) 19:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Armenian is NOT a "language isolate"

"Language isolate" is a technical term in linguistics with a specific meaning. It means that a language has no known relatives. There is no such thing as an "Indo-European language isolate". Once a language is demonstrably placed within a language family, it can no longer be called a "language isolate". Period. Armenian is an Indo-European language with hundreds of relatives. It can simply not be called a "language isolate" in any linguistically accurate work. Perhaps you need to actually read Armenian language, where you will see no reference whatsoever to Armenian as a "language isolate". --Taivo (talk) 11:07, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Gregory and Leo V (from Divot's TP)

Leo V is of Armenian, Georgian and French ancestry, even if he wasn't he would still be relevant, the current Queen of England is of German ancestry but she's English not German. Likewise, Gregory's heritage might have been Parthian but he was not one himself.-- Ευπάτωρ 09:00, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Queen of England is of German ancestry, but she is english. Leo V is not of French ancestry, he was French.

"Likewise, Gregory's heritage might have been Parthian but he was not one himself" - Who said this?

Have you any reliable sources about Leo V and Gregory? Divot (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Ευπάτωρ, have you any reliable sources, who says that Gregory and Leo V were armenians as members of ethnic group? Divot (talk) 08:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

No response and reliable sources 5 days. Remove personalities. Divot (talk) 13:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Armenians not just Armenian Apostolic Church

Why in the info box under religions is only Armenian Apostolic Church being listed? before other minority religions were in the box as well such as catholic and protestant but why is there a continual revert to delete them? It makes no sense not to list minority religions as well. There are even articles here on that: http://en.wikipedia.org/Islam_in_Armenia. Other ethnic groups list minority relgions in the infobox on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.100.74 (talk) 12:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The overwhelming majority of Armenians are Apostolic. It has been the national church of Armenia since 301. There are no Muslim Armenians. Hamshenis aren't always considered Armenian. --Երևանցի 22:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

But Catholic and Protestant minorities do exist and I believe they should be mentioned in the infobox (and seem to recall that they used to be). Jackal 15:54, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I believe that you are aware that there are hundreds of thousands of Muslim Armenians in Turkey. They are called Hamshenis. Why don't we add Islam too? The key word here is overwhelming. Those 5% who are Catholic or Protestant can be ignored as millions of English- and Russian-speaking Armenians are ignored by exclusion of these languages from the infobox. --Երևանցի 01:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

If the vast majority of Hamshenis in Turkey actually (and explicitly) identified with the Armenian ethnos then I would support the inclusion of Sunni Islam. How odd that you essentially admitted to this in your reply to the initiator of this section ("Hamshenis aren't always considered Armenian") but have argued the opposite in your reply to me. Why "can" Catholic and Protestant minorities be ignored? The key word is overwhelming–for you. Other articles on ethnic groups mention significant minority religions (as well as irreligion) and I do not understand why that should not be the case here. Jackal 03:10, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Almost half of all Armenians speak a language other than Armenian why don't we add English, Russian, French, Turkish, Spanish to the infobox?

Other articles on ethnic groups mention significant minority religions Such as? Italians, Greeks, Georgians, etc. only have the church of the majority indicated in the infobox. --Երևանցի 17:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps we should add those languages to the infobox since the Armenians have, by the article's own admission, a "wide-ranging diaspora" and almost every Armenian in the world is at the very least bilingual. You have essentially cherry-picked those ethnic group-related articles that do not list minority religions or religious denominations, leaving out those that do (Ukrainians and Russians, for example). Moreover, I would argue that Armenian Catholics should be mentioned not only because they comprise a significant minority but also because they have played an important role in cultivating Armenian culture (see Mechitarists). Jackal 18:34, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

There are no female Armenians?

Whats with the 100% male dominated collage? 46.71.123.107 (talk) 09:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox

Would you like to explain how that ugly mix of pictures is in any way better than the collage? --Երևանցի 06:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

1. http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Kim_Kardashian. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)