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Portal:Russia and Portal:Ukraine

Hi, there. Come check Portal:Russia/New article announcements and Portal:Russia/Russia-related Misplaced Pages notice board. Or Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements and Portal:Ukraine/Ukraine-related Misplaced Pages notice board if you are more interested in Ukraine. You may want to add these boards to your watchlist. Also, check my notice on Template talk:Settlements of Crimea. Happy edits, Ghirla | talk 18:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. =) The sphere of my interest is concretly Crimea - its geograhy, culture, history, peoples, etc.

Don Alessandro 21:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Crimean articles are of interest to both UA and RU wikipedians. So, please announce the articles you create about Crimea at borth new article announcement boards. BTW, what's the deal with the Name of Crimea red link you added. Unless you plan to write such article in the near future, I don't think we need it. The article's section could be expanded but it still carries some essential info already. --Irpen 17:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Извиняй, что по-русски, английский мой всё-таки весьма кривоват. Я не очень понял, мне эти красные ссылочки уже сейчас следует куда-то поместить или только когда я чего-нибудь уже сделаю? Просто боюсь, что сам я в ближайшее время не осилю заполнить их все. Пока в моих ближайших планах сделать болванки статей про районы и горсоветы по аналогии с теми, что я сделал в русской вики.

Касательно Name of Crimea... Ну, я просто посмотрел что Name of Ukraine вынесено в отдельную статью, и подумал, что тут стоит сделать также. Просто там есть разные версии происхождения названия (например от монгольского хэрэм - ров). Может можно всё это изложить и в основной статье. Не знаю... --Don Alessandro 18:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Ну и я не знаю. Сам решай. Наверное если есть разумные шансы, что статья появится в ближайшее время (тобой будет написана или линк настолько напрашивается, что многие из тех, кто увидит попробуют написать хотя бы болванку (stub)), то стоит создавать линк. Удачи! --Irpen 06:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Caffa & Theodoro

Hi.

1) About maps. Unfortunately there are no good maps on Crimean history on the web. There is... m-m-m... not map - only a scheme, I've made just now. It shows the situation in Crimea before the Ottoman invasion in 1475. http://www.ljplus.ru/img/d/o/don_alessandro/Theodoro_and_Caffa.PNG

red - Genoesian colonies, green - the Principality of Theodoro, blue - the Khanate of Crimea (Haci Giray).

Kalamita = today's Inkerman, Cembalo = Balaklava, Aluston = Alushta, Theodoro = Mangup, Soldaia = Sudak, Caffa = Theodosia, Solkhat = Stary Krym, Vosporo = Kerch.

If you want more information on Crimen history, I'll try to answer.

2) About Stephen III the Great and his relationships with Theodoro.

I know really few facts. Stephen married Maria Gabras - the dauther of Prince of Theodoro. The House of Gabras was related both to the Comnenian dynasty and to the Palaeologan dynasty and by that time Stephen was a great success in his war against the Ottomans. So this marrige gave him rigths to clame the throne of Constantinople (if he would win Constantinople from the Turks). Alexander Gabras was Maria's brother, and Isaac was their uncle. Sthephen wanted to create a coalition against the Ottomans - Moldavia, Theodoro and Caffa. But Isaac Gabras was very pro-Ottoman ruler. So he call Alexander, who lived in Moldavia in exile, gave him 300 men and a ship and sent to Crimea. Alexander was a success - he replaced Isaac on the throne of Theodoro. But in 1475 Ottoman general Gedik Ahmet Paşa conquered both Caffa and Theodoro. Caffa capitulated immedeatly, but Theodoro under Prince Alexander opposed the Ottmomans for half of a year. Alexander was enslaved and died in prison in Istanbul in spite of the attempts of Stephen to liberate him.

3) Please, excuse my awfull English.

Don Alessandro 19:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Great info on Alexander, but where did you find these sources? I might need them for the Moldavian articles. Your map looks good, tho I can't speak for it's accuracy. You should upload it to the article. Do you know why Stephen didn't annex Theodoro? Could he annex the land at all? Thanks. --Candide, or Optimism 19:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Sources... Several books published in Crimea in recent years (all in Russian). The best two are Т.М. Фадеева, А.К. Шапошников "Княжество Феодоро и его князья", Симферополь 2005 (T.M. Fadeeva, A.K. Shaposhnikov "The Principality of Theodoro and its Princes", Simferopol 2005) and П.А. Кесмеджи, Г.П. Кесмеджи "Княжество Феодоро", Симферополь 1999 (P.A. Kesmedzhi, G.P. Kesmedzhi "The Principality of Theodoro", Simferopol 1999)

The map is not accurate. =) I'll try to make a version of higher quality and to upload it.

Do you know why Stephen didn't annex Theodoro? Could he annex the land at all?

I do not know, but I suppose he could not. It was impossible for him to annex the principality in a legitimate way (there were too many living Gabrases, who could claim the throne), only to conquer. Alexander Gabras was quite independent ruler; he was an ally for Stephen, not the vassal. With the help of Stephen he only did coup d'etat, but not conquered the country (he was a son of the previous Prince, after all).

Don Alessandro 21:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

From what I read, Stephen had the chance to inherit a portion of the land, but I don't know if it's true. It's a shame those books haven't been translated into English. You should work on a map and upload it. Keep up the good work! --Candide, or Optimism 07:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

A portion... My books say nothing about this. But IMHO it does not seem believable. As you can see on the map, Theodoro was a small principality (under the Ottoman rule former lands of Theodoro formed one kadılık). I don't realize how it could be divided into parts. There was practically nothing to divide. %)

> You should work on a map and upload it.

Here it is

Don Alessandro 13:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Crimean Ta

Hi. You marked the above redirect for speedy deletion. You didn't give a reason for deletion, and the redirect seems valid enough. If there's a good reason for deletion, maybe you would like to submit the redirect to WP:RFD? Proto||type 20:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I've given a reason on the talk page. But you're right, it will be better to place it to WP:RFD. Don Alessandro 03:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Taurica

Hi. I noted you moved Tauric Chersonese to Taurica. Don't you think you should have put the move to votes before acting? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't move it back to where it was; Tauric Chersonese is very common as a name, while judging from Google Taurica is hardly ever used as a substantive.--Aldux 18:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't mention the discussion there... I'll try to explain there Talk:Taurica.

Don Alessandro 19:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hallo Don Alessandro

Hi, Hallo, etc, thanks for your contributions on NL, and you're also very "welkom" on NL! It's funny, because I'm very interested in Romania, Moldova, Eastern Europe... Because I today set up nl:Portaal:Krim I also wrote the article nl:Krim-Tataren. Soon there will also come an article nl:Krim-Tataars (Crimean Tatar Language) ;). I saw your reaction on nl:Overleg:Krim. I'll put also the name in Crimean Tatar Language in that article. A Romanian "Salut", a Dutch "Goedendag". (NL) Bulă 18:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

A Russian "Привет" for you. :) And my main interest here on wikipedia is Crimea, as you see. Its history, geography, people, cities and towns, etc. I spent my childhood in Simferopol and now I also try to visit Crimea at least once per year. And Crimean Tatar related articles on NL will be very useful, because many people in Western countries do not see the difference between the Tatars and Crimean Tatars in spite of the fact that they are quite different nations. So thank you for your work.

Don Alessandro 19:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

And if you have problems with Dutch, "Nederlands", you can translate it (roughly) with Babel Fish ;) Bulă 19:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. =) Unfortunately there are no Dutch-Russian translator there...

Don Alessandro 19:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

But there are Russian - English and English - Dutch translators, but it will become in a really bad quality. Bulă 20:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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Please don't you ever do this again

Don Alessandro, I came to tell you that this your edit was trollish and aimed to promote partition of Ukraine. Please make sure you won't make edits like this ever. Otherwise they will be reverted and reported as WP:Trolling. Unlike my government in real Crimean life, I'll react "fast and hard". Ukrained 21:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)