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I have updated the Dubai talk page.Thankyou for your interest.andycjp

CMNI in NANP?

The list of countries you added to North American Numbering Plan includes CMNI ... it's not on the member list on NANPA's Web site, as far as I can tell; in fact, I can't even figure out what country/region/territory it is! Could you enlighten me? - DavidWBrooks 16:55, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

• Thanks for the quick response. Do you know what CMNI stands for - what it is? I'm stumped. (Just curious.) DavidWBrooks 02:18, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Washington, DC

I noticed that you were the one who added the picture of the flag. Thanks, but since both the flag and the page have a white background, some kind of marking of the flag's border would be nice, if there's a way to do it. I'm not fluent in the image field. As is, the image is kind of confusing. Meelar 05:32, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)

• Wow, that was quick. Thank you. Meelar

_________________________

Not sure how this talk thing works, but if this is Whispertome, what's the deal with you changing the Japanese History page back to what I assume you originally wrote all the time? Looking at the page history this seems to be what's going on.

Hi! You're the only other young (my age-ish) Wikipedian I've met so far! --Merovingian 18:35, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)

East Texas Article

I am curious as to the the meaning of your comment on your first edit of the East Texas article. Where did the article, or I, imply or state that Marshall was the most influential city in East Texas? - JCarriker 2:35, Jan 24, 2004 (UTC)

I have added a response to your post on my talk page. I posted on my talk page rather than yours because of it's length.

- JCarriker 4:22, Jan 26, 2004 (UTC)

Great Pics

Those landsat images are incredible - especially the large ones : Philly and Toronto. mydogategodshat 07:26, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

History of Athens

Could you have a look at Talk:History of Athens? --mav 09:59, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Qutb Minar image

Hi, Just for your information, I have removed the Qutb Minar image that you had added in New Delhi because it is not in New Delhi. However, I have not orphaned the image- there is a wanted article on Qutb Minar and I have added it there KRS 03:37, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Mohammad Mandela?

Can you explain why you made all the pages related to Mohammad Mandela? No google hits for that term. Fuzheado 03:53, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I just picked up on that sentence, but am not sure of its accuracy. Can you provide a reference? I tried Google searching for it and no results for it. Fuzheado 04:05, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It seems like such a major (and surprising) point, that I've deleted it for now since we cannot find positive proof. I think it may have been mixed up from some other bio. Thanks. Fuzheado 05:51, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Dear Whisper: Hi! I just read your comment on Puerto Rico. While Puerto Rico is in free association with the United States, key word here being with, whether Puerto Rico is part of the USA or not is so highly debatable, we'd have to look into everything basically.

Most Puerto Ricns, including many among those who vote for the statehood party (and this position I cant explain myself, cause it has no logic) do not identify themselves as American but Puerto Rican. Whether Puerto Rico is the USA or not, it really depends on the person's point of view as shown by votes during the 1990s to see peoples preferences,although it shall be said that the free associated state's ideals won by close margin on those two convocatories.

I myself consider my nationality to be Puerto Rican, not American. The pride of being Puerto Rican is just like the pride of Mexicans, for example, to be born there, British, etc etc.

We have sovereignity in the sports world, and our government can choose which companies to work with but heres the glitch, again as so far as those companies arent from Cuba, Iran or American enemies, because, like you said, Puerto Rico is still tied to the states by a paper, contract or whatever the Jones act was. Puerto Ricans also can execute their own laws, although the police department works as a state department not a country department.

Puerto Rico's governor is ensured Secret Service watch when visiting the United States, just as any president from another nation, although partly because the President recognizes that the security of Puerto Rico's governor is at risk because of all the Puerto Ricans who might be potential supporters of other parties and thus, enemies and who live here in the USA.

Most Latin American Presidents, when speaking of Puerto Rico, refer to it as a pais (country) rather than a state of the union.

See, although we are an area of the United States, we arent the United States. Or so say many. This is one of the most difficult, and debatable, things to talk about in history, other than the notorious robberies in some boxing matches that were closefights and people argued for decades who really won, other than Maradona's hand of God and war talk...lol!

I dont know. Myself, Id like to see one encyclopedia that recognizes Puerto Rico as a country rather than a state. But then again thats my own POV and like I said, its highly debatable. Figure this one out: While Puerto Ricans fight for the USAin military combat, Puerto Ricans (and some international figures) drove the military out of Vieques! So the debate is one that goes on and on and on and on...

Well, that said thanks for your letter I enjoyed your point of view and I hope we can collaborate on more projects soon!

God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Coqui Boricua Martin

Paris Hilton

My main complaint with the Rotten link is that it's kind of flimsy about actually relating to the topic. The whole article is about the tape, and really doesn't inform the reader about anything revolving Paris that wasn't already clarified in the article, unless you consider a review of someone's sexual performance a reference. I feel it qualifies more as simple gossip, which for the most part really doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages. Sarge Baldy 21:46, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)

Itami

Hello, I'm interested in your contribution on Itami. It's fun for me a young Texan dropped a note in such a place. Have you ever been in Itami? Just Curious. KIZU 07:03, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wow:) Then if you have a chance to go outsides, recall me :) KIZU

For Japanese names, go to see Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Japanese). A long long long discussion is going there. --Nanshu 03:03, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi - adding entries to the list of national leaders is not a minor edit! Secretlondon 23:12, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Whisper, I hate to be unpleasant, but if you want to edit articles such as History of the Middle East, you are really going to have to improve your English (if it is not your first language) or your English expression (if it is). Quite apart from the fact that I didn't agree with the way you were editing the article, your edits were consistently ungrammatical and poorly expressed. Adam 08:49, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Whisper, your hard ban notice at User:Bird asks people to "see User talk:Bird for details", but there really aren't any details there, just more of Bird's rants. Was your link supposed to point somewhere else? Just curious. :-) Jwrosenzweig 17:22, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Also, isn't a "hard ban" supposed to come from Jimbo or the Arbitration Committee? My temporary 72-hour block expires right around now... --Uncle Ed 19:22, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Main page wikification

Keep links relevant to the context! (main page). We had a discussion some time back about removing some of the links in the info paragraph, to make it less cluttered. Now the links have all crept back, one by one. Please consider reverting your main page edit. (If anything, Jan 15 should link to Misplaced Pages day, but we'd rather not have any of those wikifications). — Sverdrup 11:44, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Osaka, Osaka

Since Ôsaka is spelled おおさか in Japanese and not おうさか, I'm pretty sure that Ousaka is wrong no matter what romanization scheme one uses. A quick google search reveals that "ousaka" gets 4,000 hits to "oosaka"'s 28,000. Unless you know something I don't, there's no reason to list ousaka as an accepted spelling. Words with o-u spellings in Japanese can be romanized to "ou" or "oo" depending on one's scheme, but o-o words should only be romanized to "oo."

Emirates A340 pic

Hi! This matter is not hugely important but I did wonder why you added a copyright pic (Emirates) to the Airbus A340 article that already contained four public domain pics. Three of them happen to be my own photographs taken at London (Heathrow) but that?s not relevant. Copyright photos are not a good idea if PD pics are available because it is possible that one day all copyright pics will be removed and only PD pics allowed. Also four pics is quite enough for users with slow connections.
I guess the photographer will be very offended if it?s removed so I?ll leave it there, but be aware that someone else might take it away one day. Best Wishes, Adrian.
PS I've just noticed that the size of the Emirates pic is 251K, much too big for a slow connection, it's really important to keep to 100K or less. The loss of quality won't be noticeable.
Adrian Pingstone 09:38, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

If you continue to make hundreds of redirects, move Japanese city articles to "{city}, {prefecture}" first. I don't like the repetition of link fixes. --Nanshu 23:07, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I have a request for you if you pop by mIRC. Danny 03:20, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Roman Colosseum modern picture

Is this picture PD or GFDL or GNU* ? Greudin

What's teh next state? Danny 14:24, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Kyiv

Why are you redirecting Kyiv to Kiev? If you look on other similar examples on Misplaced Pages you will see that official/native forms are used. Look at Talk:Kyiv, and get it back to Kyiv. --Inhvar 09:41, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Greater Los Angeles Area

WhisperToMe, I'm planning on removing the map you added to Greater Los Angeles Area. It's a nice map and I appreciate your effort, but it seems to be misleading people. Greater Los Angeles Area is not an official government term. I see that until 2003 the US Census Bureau designated a Metropolitan Statistical Area with those five counties, but it's not the same as the article's title. Maybe a map of California with a fuzzy blob around Los Angeles would be more illustrative. Or perhaps a satellite photo highlighting the urbanized areas (The photo at Los Angeles doesn't cover quite enough territory). Mackerm 22:01, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I did notice that some Misplaced Pages authors have written down that definition, but it's not an official term, and I've never heard it used that way (and I live here). It looks like somebody went to the United States metropolitan area page and put "The Southland" in the "other names" column for convenience, and others thought it was synonymous with the Census statistical area. The Census bureau's policy is to follow county boundaries, but really, most of the area is totally unpopulated. Nobody would say the desert just west of Las Vegas is part of Greater Los Angeles. Mackerm 22:48, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

People call it all sorts of things, and have defined it in all sorts of ways. Take your pick. But by using the same sort of map used by the List of counties in California it looks like an official designation, which it isn't. Mackerm 23:08, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, could you please list Template:Arkansas in all the right places. Thanks. Danny 02:24, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi. What do you know about the Black Prairie in Texas? Danny

Hi, I was just checking the additions you made to the city pages for Pakistan. I was sortof thinking that putting info solely on terrorist activity would seem right on those pages since such info should be part of the current events section of the whole wikipedia. Because this method would subliminally make it seem as if these cities are harbouring terrorists.

Point taken and accepted. Although I might add a bit to that page as well. aala hazrat 09:44, 2004 Apr 25 (UTC)

Wanna do some states? Danny 20:22, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Should have SC ready later this evening. jaknouse 23:19, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Can you please make sure Nevada and North and South Carolina are listed. Thanks Danny 00:18, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Can I ask why you're using User:WhisperToMe as a talk page? I nearly rolled back a change to it, thinking I was doing you a favor. Best, Meelar 01:14, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the notes on Operation Bojinka.

According to my dictionaries, "proctor" doesn't mean "make happen", it's "supervise". Thanks for rewriting that paragraph, it's very clear now. Tempshill 20:11, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

"bin Laden" is indeed Osama's family name (or patronym, more precisely): it means "son of Laden". See http://www.arab.net/arabnames/ for more info on the Arab naming conventions and http://www.interpol.int/public/Wanted/Notices/Data/1998/32/1998_20232.asp for how it applies to OBL specifically. -- ChrisO 10:07, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Just a note to say that your contributions on terrorism, the Middle East and associated subjects are right on the money and praiseworthy for their NPOV. Anjouli 09:49, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for properly formatting my Diddlers.info section in shock sites.

Thank you for clearing up some bad page-setting on the Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold page. Much appreciated - JKnight

Given the huge number of counties you're going to be dealing with (250?), maybe List of schools in Texas should be broken down into separate pages for each county, such as List of schools in Dallas County, Texas. The main page can link to the others, and could also explain the systems of organization across the state. MisfitToys

Regarding your note to me on List of accidents and incidents on commercial airliners grouped by location - True, that page lists locations; but you have to keep going back and forth between lists on different pages if you're not precisely sure which event you're looking for. The list by locations doesn't show years, and the chronological list doesn't note locations. MisfitToys 01:05, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)

Poll: New York City

You expressed interest in the name of the New York City article on its Talk page. Could you please vote in the poll there? Thank you. --Lowellian 00:03, May 2, 2004 (UTC)

Shock sites

Are you sure that we really need all that much information on "Last Measure"? There's considerable debate on whether smallish websites really deserve articles, and this seems like a one-person job (Ytmnd got the thumbs-down just now), and the information seems to be added by the person who wrote it, to boot. (I removed the stuff about WP's images on the basis of Avoid self-references) Paullusmagnus 01:52, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

I didn't realize you had written that part of the article. I noticed that the person who claims to have written the popup-blocking-bypassing for that site had edited that page, but I wasn't able to quickly figure out when it had been added. Anyways, do we really need to know all that information? I know that Wiki is not paper, but it seems to be cluttering up the article. I think that mentioning that it uses Javascript to wrest control from the user and accomplish various annoying things would be enough. At least we don't need to know what it displays for the credits, and what the source code says about its development. Paullusmagnus 02:18, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Sounds good. Could you mention it on WP:VP? I am going to sleep now. Paullusmagnus 03:28, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Rumsfeld with Hussein and learning

Hi there, saw you had the same idea as I had. 172 for some reason deleted our image, I put it back. I saw you have computer skills and like foreign languages, so I wondered if you would be interested in a project I am starting. Please check my page and let me know. Get-back-world-respect 00:27, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

New York County, etc

Huh? Others have said that "New York, New York" is used only to refer to Manhattan. Brooklyn is "Brooklyn, New York", and Queens (and maybe the Bronx) has various different post office city names used. john 05:18, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

I think you're assuming that postal addresses in the nineteenth century conformed to present day usage. At any rate, nobody has said that "New York, New York" refers or referred to New York County. We've said it refers to Manhattan. john 05:24, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Here's what the City of New York article has to say:

In 1898, New York City took the political form in which it exists to this day. Prior to 1898, New , New York City took the political form in which it exists to this day. Prior to 1898, New York City consisted of Manhattan and the Bronx, which was annexed by the city from southern Westchester County in two separate actions: the western portion in 1874, and the remaining portion in 1895. In 1898, a new municipal government, originally called Greater New York, was created by new legislation. It was divided into five boroughs. The Boroughs of Manhattan and The Bronx covered the original city and the rest of New York County. The Borough of Brooklyn consisted of the City of Brooklyn as well as several municipalities in eastern Kings County. The Borough of Queens was established in western Queens County, and covered several small cities and towns, including Long Island City, Astoria and Flushing. The Borough of Staten Island contained all of Richmond County. All municipal governments contained within the boroughs were abolished. A year later, the area of Queens County not contained within the Borough of Queens became Nassau County. In 1914, the state legislature created Bronx County, shrinking New York County so it contained only Manhattan. The five boroughs are now considered to be generally coterminous with their respective counties. However, there are some small exceptions, some of which remain a legal mystery, such as Marble Hill

So it would appear that New York City and County were coterminous until 1898, when King's County, Richmond County, and part of Queen's County were incorporated into the city, but not the county. The remainder of Queens County was split off into Nassau County in 1899, and Bronx County was separated off in 1914, to make for the somewhat less anomalous situation we have today. john 05:34, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, but New York County also ate up the Bronx, which had previously been part of Westchester. john 05:36, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

I hope I'm not telling you what you already know, but:

• New York, Kings and Queens counties are original counties of New York Colony, predating the revolution. New York County was Manhattan Island, Kings County same as today, Queens County was approximately (since there's even now some dispute as to the exact border) the rest of Long Island that was originally part of New Netherlands colony. The originally English (never Dutch) part of Long Island is Suffolk County, also predating the revolution.
• When New York City began to annex parts of Westchester County in the 19th century, these were incorporated into New York County.
• When "consolidation" created the City of Greater New York on January 1, 1898, New York City annexed Richmond, Kings and part of Queens County. A year later, the unannexed part of Queens County became Nassau County. So now NYC consisted of the totality of four counties, but five boroughs.
• In 1914 "the other shoe" dropped and the Borough of The Bronx became Bronx County, so all was nice and neat: five counties = five boroughs. Except for Marble Hill. Oh, well. -- Cecropia | Talk 15:37, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Why not try to give me the benefit of the doubt? I wrote the vast majority of content in that article, so why not try talking me about what which pics supplement the article best and where, as opposed to trying to dictate terms to me and push me into an edit war? 172 17:07, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

BTW, let me explain why I'm reluctant to see the addition of more and more pics. Before the recent rewrite, the old was plastered with way too many pics, often with no relationship to where they were situated in the article. I'm sure that if I stand back and do nothing, this'll happen again.

Anyway, I want to cap the number of pics at eight (preferably less). FYI, here are the ones I consider essential to a biographical entry: the portrait pic, Saddam with Bakr, Saddam with Cuellar, Saddam on the streets of Baghdad, Saddam apprehended, and Saddam with Rana.

IMHO, Saddam with Chirac, and Saddam with Rumsfeld are more or less miscellaneous fillers of white space. I am willing to concede the removal of either of these two pics (or both) in order to make way for the latest pic you want added. 172 17:27, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

About Korean Romanisation

Hi, I have noticed you have edited various Korean articles, and indicated the forms used for the entries were McCune-Reischauer Romanisation forms. That is almost never true. Most entries are under the form that's most widely used, such as Syngman Rhee, which most often do not use any regular romanisation system (the MR form would be Yi Sŭng-man). I'm just letting you know so that you don't keep on making mistaken edits. Thanks, --Iceager 09:26, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Why not add some captions to Pictures of Saddam Hussein? Why not add pictures to History of Iraq, which isn't nearly as well illustrated as the Saddam article. 172 11:52, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

gulf war protected

I don't see anything controversial about your edits on Gulf War, but that page is protected right now due to a slow-motion revert war involving myself, Graft, and an anon, now being discussed on the talk page. Please don't edit a protected page. Thanks! DanKeshet 20:07, May 16, 2004 (UTC)

Metropolitan Areas

In what sense is largely rural Cecil County, Maryland in the Delaware Valley metropolitan area? I can tell you, being currently in Philadelphia, that it is not discussed in the local news at all, and that very frequently the Delaware Valley area is called the "tri-state region", those three states presumably being Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware. Furthermore, being from Maryland, I'd add that there was no particular sense of Cecil County being in the Philadelphia metropolitan area (although I'm from a part of Maryland fairly far removed from there). Furthermore, Cecil County is not, in fact, in the valley of the Delaware River. john 02:51, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Then we should say that it's in the U.S. Department of Labor's Consumer Expenditure Survey for Philadelphia. They like to include rural counties in those things so the federal government can save money on COLA for federal employees living in the more expensive parts of the region. I think it's POV for us to say that this actually makes these counties actually part of said Metropolitan areas. john 03:07, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

You seem to be correct. I should not have taken the action I did. Have you already restored it? At any rate, I do think that this is a problematic convention. Why not use the official terms Metropolitan Statistical Area and Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area, which are unambiguous and NPOV, instead of the much more ambiguous "metropolitan area"? john 03:11, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Map of Leipzig

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Map_of_Leipzig.png That isn't just a map of Leipzig, it's a also a map of a battle. orthogonal 05:29, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Map of Athens

You say: "The German Map of Athens shows how Athens was laid out in 1888, in the Ottoman times, before the large city growth happened."

I say:

• No it doesn't. It's a map of Ancient Athens. Look at it more closely. Do you see Syntagma Square? The Royal Palace? A railway line? No. You do see the Long Walls, which were demolished in 404BC.
• The Ottomans departed Athens in 1832. By 1888 Greece had been independent for 60 years.
• You need to realise, darling, that you are not the world's greatest expert on every subject under the sun. I realise this is difficult to grasp at 15 or whatever you are, but it is a fact nevertheless.

Regards Adam 07:28, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

If you think that was a personal attack then you obviously haven't seen many personal attacks around here. Adam 01:23, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Adam's right. He can be a lot more obnoxious than that. 172 15:29, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Kudu

Isn't a Kudu an animal? RickK 00:14, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm away from my references right now. I'll check it out when I get home. RickK 00:19, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi. If you are in a redirect frenzy, at least make them to the right page. Example: Emperor Ichijo of Japan - see What links here link. Cheers, MvHG 11:09, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Southwest Asia

I'm quite aware that Southwest Asia and the Middle East are not the same thing. My point was that Southwest Asia is an idiosyncratic term that is not in common usage, and hence not appropriate for usage here. You can make up all sorts of arbitrary geographic classifications, but unless people start using them, they're not very useful. --Delirium 21:52, May 22, 2004 (UTC)

I agree, there should not be exceptions, and the term should be removed from the other articles you have inappropriately inserted it into as well. I am also not aware of any widespread usage that denies Israel is in the Middle East, as the term "Middle East conflict" is quite widely understood to refer to the conflict between Israel and its Arab neighbors, whereas the term "Southeast Asian conflict" means nothing at all. --Delirium 21:56, May 22, 2004 (UTC)

The fact that two of you are hung up on idiosyncratic usage preferred by some geographers that has not gained widespread currency does not make that usage any more appropriate. Southeast Asia is very much a term in use, whereas Southwest Asia is not. --Delirium 22:02, May 22, 2004 (UTC)

I think the description of it at the eastern end of the Mediterranean sea is a fairly unambiguous and sufficient geographic description. I don't see the benefit of using another geographic term that is not commonly used. --Delirium 22:11, May 22, 2004 (UTC)

Kyuzutu

Care to explain this redirect? It's so remote from the correct spelling (Kyudo) it's insane, and receives not one Google hit. Exploding Boy 00:37, May 23, 2004 (UTC)

And please explain what are Zyuzitu, Zyuzutu, Zyûzyutu, Zyuzyutu, Zyuuzyutu and Yari-Zyutu. Would some admin be so kind and start DELETING those nonsensical redirects, please! 193.143.83.252 08:59, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Re: Southwest Asia vs. Middle East

I am aware that there's a slight difference in meaning between Southwest Asia, and the Middle East. However, Israel clearly belongs to both regions, and as Middle East is far more widely used and generally accepted it should stay. _____

Would you please stop! The 湘南新宿線 is the Shōnan-Shinjuku line. It is NOT the Syonan-Sinzyuku Line! Exploding Boy 03:32, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

As the Inuyasha article demonstrates, some people don't give a damn about "official spellings". WhisperToMe 03:41, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

Just because someone else has done something wrong doesn't mean you have to as well. This is not a question of romanization, it's a question, as you say, of spelling, and JR gets to decide the names of its own lines. Exploding Boy 22:06, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, i know : my spelling mistakes are also proportional to the time of the day! MvHG 09:34, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Editing protected articles

Hi, please don't edit protected articles. I consider that an abuse of admin rights and an offense to the community. Thanks! --Cantus 00:02, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

Stop Cramming Images Onto Pages

You need to stop cramming irrelevant photos onto pages. Each section should only have 1-2 photos and it should not exceed the dividing headers lines. I don't know why you are so intent on making a mess of pages by doing this. You really need to stop or you will be reported. ChrisDJackson 06:26, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

• Well, it is how I am going to do it when I see need to. You are ruining peoples hard work by making images run together and cramming pages and you need to stop. ChrisDJackson

• I said the images need to fit inside the header's dividing lines. ChrisDJackson

Cheers

Thanks

Acegikmo1 07:57, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!

Dear Whisper: Hi! I am honored that you consider me capable of running a wikimedia chapter in Puerto Rico and the Caribbean. Problem is.....although I still am proud of my being Puerto Rican and I favor Puerto Rican independency, I dont live there anymore. If anything, Im closer to Mexico than Puerto Rico, Im about a one hour and 30 minute drive from Sonoita, Mexico. Ive been there and to Puerto Penasco plenty of times..you just gotta love that Hispanic Pina Colada and those hot tamales and senoritas! LOL!

Ive tried to enlist the best possible talent for wikipedia here where I live, including boxing trainers, pastors, a future pastor, my pharmacist and even my personal doctor. I smell talent when I see people who I think can help us in the different areas we have such as medicine, pop culture, sports, ect. lol as you can see Im a busy pussy (cat)..LOL

The only one that I have been able to enlist so far is my dad, a former Marine who is an expert in military and Puerto Rican independence movements.

Anyways I just wanted to say thanks, and I feel deeply honored, but I cant start a chapter in Puerto Rico because I dont live there anymore. God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Busy Pussy Martin

Blondes

I'm sure some feminist will remove that photo you put on the article I wrote, but in the mean time, couldn't you at least have made sure she was a natural blonde, and cute? — Chameleon 07:20, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

dba

I am wondering what Airline dba Airline means. Whatever it is, it is very vague and not really much help. Burgundavia 11:14, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

• Yes, now I realize that it is Latin. I have had several people ask me what dba meant. A possible changed might be "flying under" Burgundavia 06:42, Jun 12, 2004 (UTC)

Saitama-ken

I noticed new entries for Saitama in Japan. Are you really interested in Japan, or are you Japanese yourself? I lived in Japan for two years myself, and I loved it. I lived in Yamato in Kanagawa prefecture, just a short train ride away from Yokohama. TheCustomOfLife 20:39, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Oh, Japan is so nice. I wish I could go back one day. I was there with my dad, who was in the Navy, from 1997 to 1999. TheCustomOfLife 20:44, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I've noticed your "work" on several Japanese articles again, too. You know, we've discussed this to death, yet you continue to do the same things over and over again. Why is that?? Exploding Boy 01:28, Jun 12, 2004 (UTC)

Shimousa Province

For the name of the article, have you read Talk:Shimosa Province? I don't like endless link fixes. --Nanshu 02:44, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Burj al Arab Hotel photo

Hi, I didn't notice a copyright tag in the Misplaced Pages page for the Burj al Arab Hotel photo, but I did notice a copyright notice on the site's home page. Do we have permission to use it? Thanks! -- ke4roh 02:30, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

We indeed have permission to use both photographs on the Dubai article. WhisperToMe 02:55, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Great! Which license: {{GFDL}}, {{copyrighted}}, or another? Would you be so kind as to update the copyright tag according to Misplaced Pages:Image_copyright_tags? If you prefer, drop me a note and I'll be glad to take care of it. Thanks! -- ke4roh 00:16, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Metropolitan area

Hmmm. I didn't have Talk:Los Angeles--Riverside--Orange County, CA CMSA on my watchlist for some reason, so I didn't see your May 25 comment. I'll reply there (might take a few hours). Mackerm 21:19, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Some images you may want to combine

Davodd, would you like to combine the images seen in Baltimore-Washington_Metropolitan_Area? I liked how you combined the Chicagoland images. WhisperToMe 20:48, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Done. Davodd 05:14, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)

Bin Laden's Special Song

Could you please stop adding a link to "Bin Laden's Special Song" to the article on Osama bin Laden? I noticed you've done it move than once. I don't believe the link adds anything worthwhile to the article, and the external content is of highly dubious quality. - Korpios 07:00, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Airports

I have noticed all the work you have been doing to the airports recently. I want to invite you to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Airports. Burgundavia 06:35, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

City to Airport links

Would that not be already covered under New Airport creation guidelines? They are also meant as "every airport should have these" guidelines. Burgundavia 03:48, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)

I dont see any reason why not. Go nuts. Burgundavia 04:06, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)

--- I do understand how names work; thank you for your condescnding tone, it did a great deal to convince me that you know what you are talking about. Lirath Q. Pynnor

And its quite possible Hussein adopted the same approach as the bin Laden family. Regardless, there are sources out there which disagree on how to refer to him, so the page should have a note at the top. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Nissan HQ In Tokyo

Hello WhisperToMe, The following info comes from Nissan's official English page at

Head Office 6-17-1, Ginza, Chuo-ku, Tokyo 104-8023 Tel: 03-3543-5523

Not Yokohama as you mentioned in Yokohama, Kanagawa.

Hope that's helpful.

222.1.53.152 08:52, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the news.

I appreciate the article.

Shonen Jump Romanization

I will not change circumflexes in the articles concerning the topics that you mentioned. It is unlikely that I would edit them anyway, since I do not know very much about those series. Josh

Hussein

If you want to talk about Saddam Hussein, do so in the Talk:Saddam_Hussein page. I don't want to waste any more of our time responding to you in here. I would consider responding to someone in a poll format as bad form, just as a personal FYI. Take it easy. Stargoat 19:24, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Daniel Pearl article

You made this edit a while ago. was the "<" just a little mistake of yours or is it really in the video? --Conti|✉ 16:21, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm not speaking about the spelling mistakes, but about the symbol "<":

- The delivery of F-16 planes that pakistan had paid for and never recieved .<

In earlier versions of the article there wasn't a "<" in the text, so it looked to me like a mistake.. also, this site doesn't have the "<" as well.. --Conti|✉ 17:07, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hehe, I guessed so, but I rather asked here at first, seeing all the other mistakes in the text.. :-) --Conti|✉ 17:22, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Airport table

If you mean the table in the 5 articles, it came from various sources, but look at airports a-z Burgundavia 07:26, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

History of the Middle East

Let me warn you, in the nicest possible way, that I put a lot of work into History of the Middle East, and that if you start making dopey edits to it like the one you just made, and like most of those you persistently made at Middle East, you will be buying into a big fight. I have no desire to have edits wars, but I will protect articles I have written against ignorant meddling. Just so we understand each other. Adam 04:44, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please spare me the "you don't own the article" line. I know perfectly well how Misplaced Pages works. Constructive edits that add information to the article or improve it in other ways are of course welcome. But I know from experience that your edits rarely fall into those categories. Instead they usually reflect your semantic fetishes (like the Middle East / West Asia argument) or your ignorance (like your famous map of "Ottoman Athens"). Adam 05:26, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Of course I looked at the edit. I didn't revert it because it was your edit, but because it did not improve the article. "The modern Middle East" is a more concise formulation than "The Middle East in the 1990s and 2000s." It says the same thing in fewer words. But since it was your edit, and since I know from experience at Athens and Middle East what happens when you decide to "improve" an article, I issued my friendly warning. And when I look at your Talk page I see I am not the only person who has had experience of your little foibles: particularly stuffing articles full of unnecessary photos and stubborn persistence in making erroneous edits even when the error is pointed out to you. Of course I can't stop you editing History of the Middle East, but I will revert edits which are erroneous, poorly expressed and/or superfluous. Adam 06:11, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sigh

Why do you persist with this ridiculous campaign to create redirect pages with every possible misspelling and misromanization you can think up? Seriously. I'd really like to know. It's absolutely pointless in the majority of cases, and potentially confusing in many cases as well, especially when it comes to people's names. Please stop. When it comes to things Japanese you have very little clue, as has been demonstrated time and time again. All you're doing is creating cleanup work for other people. Exploding Boy 06:42, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

See? It's not just me that has problems with you. Now, I know better than most that every active Misplaced Pages User manages to antagonise someone, but you manage to antagonise many people, and for the same reason - you rush in and make edits on subjects you don't know as much about as you think you do, and you won't listen to anyone who tells you different. For the record, I don't think you are uber-stupid. You are in fact obviously very intelligent. But you are uber-young, and like many highly intelligent young people, you think you know everything. Well, you don't. Believe it or not, as an ex-precocious brat myself, I have some sympathy for your position, and I don't want to put you off contributing. But the fact is that precocious brats get slapped around a lot until they acquire some judgement to go with their brains. Adam 08:09, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To be fair, I think it's much better that User:WhisperToMe create these redirects than to put the same information in the first paragraph of each article. At least the redirects don't cause any harm (apart from making the "What links here" a bit less useful). Gdr 16:57, 2004 Jul 5 (UTC)

Well at least that I agree with. On the other hand, it blows my mind when I see 9, 10...11 redirects for the same page, each with a slightly different misspelling or misromanization. I'm pretty sure "Zyunitiroo Koizyumi" would be a bit surprised to see his name spelled that way... Exploding Boy 23:42, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment

You should know that you might have opened yourself up to some serious insanity via that revert on RfC. That person's a real nutjob, and the same person as User:68.36.175.254. -- Cyrius|✎ 02:37, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

List of schools in Harris County, Texas

You really should remove all of the red links for anything below the level of high school at List of schools in Harris County, Texas, the growing consensus on Votes for deletion is to delete elementary and middle schools, and if somebody sees those red links and starts creating article based on them, they're going to wind up on VfD. RickK 23:04, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

Japanese

Please, if you want to add Japanese to a page, ask someone who speaks the language to do it so we don't have to keep doing things twice. Your recent addition of "kōkōgakkō" was wrong. Exploding Boy 09:37, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

• The edit history shows that was NOT my addition, but that of Cunctator's. WhisperToMe 09:55, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

This just goes to show that you shouldn't be editing Japanese words -- make that words in any foreign language -- if you don't know the language. It's now taken three edits on the article page, plus five edits on talk pages -- a total of eight edits for what could have been accomplished in one edit by someone knowledgeable in Japanese, or two if someone had requested someone else do it for them. Exploding Boy 03:42, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

(In response to Whisper's comment about macrons vs. circumflexes) Um, no, it doesn't matter what sort of accent-mark Shonen Jump uses -- Misplaced Pages has standards on this sort of thing. Macrons are to be used in all articles. If the majority (or a significant minority) of people who know the words or names in question are familiar with the circumflexed form of the name, the article should include these; but when glossing actual Japanese text (as is done in Yugi Moto), Hepburn -- not popular -- romanization is to be used; and that means macrons. --Aponar Kestrel 20:53, 2004 Jul 26 (UTC)

When choosing a name for a page ask yourself: What word would the average user of the Misplaced Pages put into the search engine? -- from Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (common names)

However, article titles must use short vowels and omit apostrophes after syllabic n since macrons are difficult to enter and proper use of apostrophes cannot be expected from people not familiar with Japanese. -- from Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles

Titling an article 'Anna Kyôyama' conflicts with both of these guidelines; it should be moved over to Anna Kyoyama. And, ultimately, just because Shonen Jump uses ô instead of ō is no excuse for us to do likewise. Misplaced Pages is not Shonen Jump; while their romanization standard was no doubt selected for good and compelling reason, ours was as well, and it behooves us to adhere to ours just as they have to theirs. --Aponar Kestrel 21:20, 2004 Jul 26 (UTC)

Saddam Hussein

Hi. I have no idea why you protected Saddam Hussein. I invite you to give your reasons over at Talk:Saddam Hussein. Otherwise please kindly unprotect the article. Thanks. --Cantus 23:12, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

And AGAIN

you've decided to go ahead, ingoring the lack of concensus, and add a link to Japanese language where one (three, actually) is not needed. Why do you insist on doing this? Why do you persist with this ridiculous campaign with the Japanese pages? Dozens of unnecessary redirects, links, romanizations... It has to stop. I think it's great you have an interest in Japan, Japanese, and Japanese things, but sit back and try to learn something before jumping in and messing with something you clearly know very, very little about. Exploding Boy 06:06, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Sigh. Why wtm? Why? A basket (as in hell in a hand~) -full of new misromanizations and mistakes today. What drives you? Seriously? Why do you never stop? Even in the face of a rather glaring demonstration of your lack of knowledge. Is it your mission to be as irritating as possible? Exploding Boy 13:16, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Ok, this one I'd like an explanation for. What is the purpose of the redirect pages "Yohko Ono," "Yôko Ono," "Ono Yôko," and "Ono Yoko"? Yoko Ono has been known by that name, with that spelling, for decades. Even in Japan she's known that way. Who, precisely, will benefit from the above redirects? Exploding Boy 16:46, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)

Whisper? Ecchi. Go change it back. If you don't believe me, ask Google -- it goes so far as to say "Did you mean: ecchi" if you type in "etchi", which is pretty much final right there: it's an English word now, and you've gone and misspelled it in its entry. And, FYI, it does not mean "perverted" as you said in Yuri -- neither in English, nor in the original Japanese (which, oh yes, it is commonly used in). --Aponar Kestrel 04:12, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

Japanese spellings

I'm not going to be much help in this department. I left Japan five years ago and I've forgotten much of the grammar. I mean, I can still read and understand what I'm reading, but not full sentences and the like. With the romaji issue, however, I'm inclined to not agree with you. I'm sorry. Mike H 15:44, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

Onyomi/kunyomi

There's some weird triple redirect thing going on with these pages. Exploding Boy 12:08, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

"On''yomi" and "kun''yomi" are examples of incorrect use of apostrophes in romanization. Exploding Boy 15:24, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Hyperwikification

Looking at your recent edits on the kanji page, I notice there are a few words you haven't gotten around to wikifying. But only a few. What's the point? adamrice 20:52, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Gosh, thanks ever so much for explaining to me the concept behind linking between articles. That explains perfectly why you've hotlinked an article about the Japanese language to the articles for East, Men, Women, etc. adamrice 21:12, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I had just checked your edits to that article myself and was thinking I'll have to go back and remove some of the unnecessary wikification. I've noticed this tendency to overwikify in many articles you edit. It's better to have too few than too many links within the article text, and not every date and word needs wikifying: it makes articles very hard to read. Exploding Boy 00:47, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)

That's ok, macrons aren't really necessary since 99% of the Inuyasha fans know the characters like they're there. But if you really mind you can always use photoshop ~_^ Raquel Sama 19:45, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ok, then. You can put macrons on my image

Blanked userpage

Hi,

I'm wondering why you blanked the userpage of User:Bmills.

Thanks,

Acegikmo1 18:47, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yale Romanizaton of 主

Hi, WhisperToMe:

My deepest apologies for taking so long to get back to you...I am an avowed Misplaced Pages non-user now. Anyhow, the Yale Romanization of 主 would be "cw". So I believe "juche" would be spelt in the Yale system as "cwchey". I know, it looks awful: but the idea was to always have the same roman letter represent the same Hang(e)ul letter, regardless of pronunciation - at a time when there was no such thing as Unicode, and most data was still being entered on a typewriter. Yours, Sewing 23:44, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Feel Better!

I see you have Wikistress Four. Everyone feels better after an offering of Greenlee! Mike H 22:40, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

Please to see http://www.jetsite.com.br/ !

A very good Brazilian website about airplanes and airlines! --Jaques O. Carvalho 06:36, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Kame-sen'nin

The apostrophe in "Kame-sen'nin" (sic) is superfluous because there is only one way to spell "senni" in Japanese (se/n/ni). Compare with "Junichiro", which could (in theory) be rendered "ju/ni/chi/ro" or "jun/i/chi/ro" and thus requires an apostrophe ("Jun'ichiro") to disambiguate. And the dash is just random. Jpatokal 00:38, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No, you can't have "Senn" in Japanese. The syllabic n can only occur at the end of a word, so se/n/n is impossible.

Have you ever considered picking up an elementary Japanese textbook and studying it for a couple of years since you're obviously obsessed with the subject? Jpatokal 16:31, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Good advice, and in the meantime, as requested a thousand times, please leave Japanese to those who speak the language. Exploding Boy 21:54, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

I meant to day that I didn't know what the hell I was thinking. BTW, you were 100% right and I was 100% wrong the whole time we were dealing with Lir on Saddam Hussein. I figured that we could domesticate him and turn him into a legitimate contributor by treating him politely and respectfully. But considering his behavior recently, my approach was misguided to the extreme. 172 04:38, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Suriname coup d'etat in 1986

You wrote that there was an attempt of a coup d'etat in Suriname in 1986 in the coup d'etat article . To me this sounds like nonsense. There was a succesfull coup in 1980 that installed the military rule of Desi Bouterse. Can you please provide reference for this assertion? In the mean time I will remove this assertion from the article. Andries 10:21, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Aozora Bukno: W

FYI, I've entered the Aozora Bukno: W redirect for deletion (see Misplaced Pages:Redirects for deletion), as it is the obvious result of a typographical error. DocWatson42 11:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Romanization (Korea)

Thanks for adding romanizations, hangeul, and hanja to Korea-related articles. This is very much appreciated. However, User:Sewing is currently using Name Tables which make much cleaner reading. Have a look here, so you can do two jobs in one... Have a nice day! Kokiri 08:04, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi, WhisperToMe: Thanks for taking Kokiri's suggestion and using my name tables - I like the extra touch of adding the photos! --Sewing 01:31, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Korean Romanization (Part 2)

Hi, WhisperToMe:

All your new redirects for McCune-Reischauer and Yale Romanizations are admirable. However, please be sure to get the spellings right before you create a new article. For example, you had "South Keyngsang" for Yale, but it should be "South Kyengsang." On the other hand, "Cyecwu" should be "Ceycwu." For McCune-Reischauer, you created "Yongchu," but in that system, consonant sounds are always modified to follow the pronunciation rules of Korea in such situations. So whenever you have the combination "ngch," it gets assimilated to "ngj," the reflect the way the pronunciation gets assimilated in Korean. For the M-R rules, please consult the external link at the bottom of McCune-Reischauer. You're doing okay with Yale, though, except for mixing up "ey" and "ye"! Anyhow, keep up the good work. --Sewing 04:33, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! I'll look into that. --Sewing 04:46, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, geez! It'll take forever to fix those problems in Wiktionary! Well, until then, here is a quick-'n'-dirty table of the 21 Korean vowels in the 3 major romanization systems. I wrote it up in my talk page, but I figure I'd add it here. (The order is Hangul -> Revised -> McC.-R. -> Yale):

ㅏ a a a (that one's easy!)

ㅐ ae ae ay

ㅑ ya ya ya

ㅒ yae yae yay

ㅓ eo ŏ e

ㅔ e e ey

ㅕ yeo yŏ ye

ㅖ ye ye yey

ㅗ o o o (another easy one...)

ㅘ wa wa wa

ㅙ wae wae way

ㅚ oe oe oy

ㅛ yo yo yo

ㅜ u u wu

ㅝ wo wŏ we

ㅞ we we wey

ㅟ wi wi wi

ㅠ yu yu yu

ㅡ eu ŭ u

ㅢ ui ŭi uy

ㅣ i i i

Now, how's that for personal service?  ;) Keep on trucking! --Sewing 05:41, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Korean Stuff

Hi: good job! I replied in more detail on my talk page... --Sewing 06:23, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship, Korean Stuff, and some Friendly Advice

Hi, WhisperToMe: Thanks for supporting me on Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship. --Sewing 16:44, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

P.S.: Check out Misplaced Pages:Korean article template. Hopefully, it should save a couple of keystrokes when creating or updating an article. We (i.e., Kokiri and I) are trying to add the See also: LOKRT by default to all Korea-related articles, plus assign the article to one of the Korea-related categories. Of course, the template is for generic Korean or SK subjects: for NK, reverse the order of Revised Romanization and McCune-Reischauer. (But of course, you knew that already...) --Sewing 17:42, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

P.P.S.: I have updated the link Misplaced Pages:Korean article template in the paragraph above. --Sewing 19:40, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

P.P.P.S.: Menchi suggested using a bot for a lot of what Kokiri and I are doing right now. Perhaps we could use a human-assisted bot (let's call it KBot) to:

• Add an empty name table to each article that doesn't have one;
• Add a ==See also==*] to each article that doesn't have a see also section;
• Or just add the above link to the article's exisiting See Also section;
• Assign one or more categories to the article.
• For articles that already have tables, perhaps we could use such a bot to replace the existing HMTL syntax with Wiki-style "pipe" (|) formatting.

The problem is, I don't know much about bots, apart from what's on Misplaced Pages:Bots (which is more just rules and guidelines, than how-to). Do you have any information? --Sewing 20:05, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

P.P.P.P.S.: Looking over your talk page, I see you bring out the best in people!  ;) I personally am okay with your edits, so I just have a couple of helpful suggestions:

• Forget about Yale romanization of Korean terms. Yale is only used by linguists. So it might be useful to use it on Korean-language-related pages (but be conservative with that: Korean suffers from too many competing romanization systems already), but don't use it anywhere else, including redirects: it's a waste of time.
• I personally don't mind having the McCune-Reischauer spelling as a redirect to the Revised Spelling, or vice versa where McC.-R. is to be preferred. For personal names, it's a waste of time, due to the idiosyncratic way in which personal names are spelled. (And corporate names, too: nobody in the Western world - or even Korea - would enter "Samseong" for "Samsung.")... And it will help in Web searches: if the M-R spelling is in the article as "Ch'ungch'ŏng," it won't turn up in Google if you type "Chungchong," so having the article title "Chungchong" (so that it turns up in searches) as a redirect to the "Chungcheong" is probably not a bad idea.
• BUT limit yourself to one redirect per article. So "Chungchong," but not "Ch'ungchong," "Ch'ungch'ong," or "Chungch'ong"!
• My advice in your dealings with some other contributors: just do a bit of research before you make an edit. Even a couple of minutes searching on Google may suffice.
• But above all, don't let them get you down. Think a bit more before you make some edits, but from what I've seen of your edits, you seem overall to be constructive contributor. --Sewing 20:32, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, Whisper: Well, I am now officially an admin. Thanks again for your support. Please let me know if you need my help on any issues, though of course I can't promise ahead of time what my decision would be. Yours, 山道子 (Sewing) - talk 14:06, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Go

Hi, Whisper: The table at Go (board game) looks really nice now, what with the cool photo and the multilingual translations....! -Sewing - talk 17:40, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

...(In response to your suggestion): Perhaps.... -Sewing - talk 14:04, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

9/11truth.org

Wow, are we the edgy stubborn nazi type! Really, what the heck is wrong with you? You write: "a campaign-site that states that the U.S. government was involved in a coverup involved 9/11". First of all, this is a completely crap sentence, I mean, "involved in a coverup involved 9/11" how can anyone write such utter nonsense? Secondly, what I keep putting next to the link (and I posted it in the first place) is saying WHAT the site is about, nothing more, nothing less. It is simple proven fact, and I'm really sorry that you can't seem to agree with fact, but that's not MY fault, it is truth, it has nothing to do with 'NPOV'. Read the site first, then play down your cheap-ass judgements on me. If you'd rather have it this way, then I will make it my life's task to change that line from each and every library and internet-café I can find. It's so childish of you to keep on pushing your will onto others. Go play with somebody else why don't you? I have better things to do. You are obviously incredibly bored or something.