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Did you used any other account on Misplaced Pages?

Did you?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Shrike. I edited with an IP address before I made an account, but I do not have another account, this is my only one. LudicrousTripe (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of David S. Painter

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Hello. Please give me a bit more time. I believe I can make a good case. People like Melvyn Leffler have their own page, Painter has published books with him and one of Painter's studies has been continuously in print for more than 25 years!! LudicrousTripe (talk) 23:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Status and Advice

As reviewing administrator, I did not delete the article. It's enough of an indication of importance, and it was even at the time it was nominated. But to show actual notability, it must meet at least one of the standards WP:PROF WP:AUTHOR. or WP:GNG. For WP:PROF, you need to show something besides the books, such as an award or distinction or multiple other publications. I see he is an associate professor--this is not the same thing as a Full Professor, and it is not automatic that Associate Professors are considered to meet WP:PROF, although it is certainly possible. What will be most helpful is citation figures for the books and the articles--either Web of Knowledge, or Google Scholar. For WP:AUTHOR , for each of the 2 books you need to show substantial reviews in 3rd party independent reliable sources, but not press releases. Don't just assert it's a classic; you need evidence to show it--either someone saying so in a reliable source, or enough evidence to make it obvious. One such evidence is the number of library holdings in WorldCat. DGG ( talk ) 00:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

OK. Thank you for giving me a bit more time. I will attempt to do as you say. If you do not feel I am succeeding, of course re-nominate it for deletion. LudicrousTripe (talk) 00:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013

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Linking to illegal copies of copyrighted material is a form of copyright infringement. See WP:COPYLINK Glrx (talk) 04:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry! LudicrousTripe (talk) 15:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

OK. Glrx (talk) 18:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Please stop making test edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did to Debate over the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is considered vandalism, which, under Misplaced Pages policy, can lead to a loss of editing privileges. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Binksternet (talk) 04:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry! I did revert it back immediately! Won't happen again! LudicrousTripe (talk) 15:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I had to check you out too because of recent edits which turned out OK. And it really was just cause of the name which sounds like something a WP:Vandal or WP:Sockpuppet would pick. It may have seemed funny at the time but now...

Best way to deal with it is to create your user page, put an explanation on, put in a few general factoids about yourself in text or using Misplaced Pages:Userboxes and then people won't assume the worst when you make a mistake. Good luck! CarolMooreDC🗽 20:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for your advice! I will create a user page now. LudicrousTripe (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Richard Branson

The reason I reverted you was because I misunderstood what you did. Frankly, putting in a comment about Branson's response in a reference is unusual. Thus, I assumed, looking only at the diff, that you had put the phrase "Branson responded to the criticism" in the body. Anyway, I'm not keen on the reference within a reference, but it doesn't bother me enough to do anything about it. If no one else objects, it will remain.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:26, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I agree that it is so trivial; similarly whatever happens now I'm not going to undo it, adjust it, or whatever. I don't know anything about Branson or Virgin; I just happened on the original article, then figured I'd add his response to it for balance. Best etc. LudicrousTripe (talk) 22:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

GENERAL THEORY

Please review WP:BRD. After text has been reverted please seek consensus on talk before reinserting it. The word "suprisingly" is not used in the source nor is it equivalent to the quotation provided. Hayek is one of thousands of economists who did not publish a review of the book. Please undo your reinsertion and state your concerns on talk so that a consensus of the editors may be achieved. Thank you. SPECIFICO talk 02:54, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing to discuss, feel free to revert me, and I will make sure to keep to this WP:BRD business with other people regarding other articles in future. LudicrousTripe (talk) 03:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

History of macroeconomic thought

In your comment re-adding Marglin to History of macroeconomic thought you stated: "As for castigating simply for being WP, all I need is RS." WP:RS is a minimum requirement for including a source, meeting that requirement does not guarantee a source's right to be included. I think the most pertinent policy here is WP:Undue, but the real issue is whether something should go into the article, not whether it satisfies a bunch of policies. HMT covers a broad topic with a large literature. Not every comment on the subject can be included. A comment in a footnote in a 10+ year-old working paper regarding a single component of the history of macroeconomics is not the best candidate for inclusion, especially when it involves a novel idea of how the history of macro should have gone.--Bkwillwm (talk) 06:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Bkwillwm. Thanks for stopping by.

Well, I am not going to re-insert the material, as I said in my edit comment. Thus I settle here for a quibble that, unless there are policies for exclusion/inclusion to determine what should or shouldn't be allowed into an article, and that unless those policies everywhere and always provide the framework for accepting/rejecting material, one will inevitably be left with situations in which the addition and removal of material is performed on an entirely subjective basis. Of course, editors will, and do, exploit the uniform application of policies to sneak things through the gaps, so to speak, but the separation of should from policies that you appear to suggest I must resist.

Certainly, a better source can be found than Marglin's aside in this now infamous footnote...

And so who knows? Perhaps I'll spring you a surprise on the article at a later date... Keep those eyes peeled. LudicrousTripe (talk) 06:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Mau Mau

I left a welcome message on their IP page that links to some of the basic Misplaced Pages principals, hopefully they will read it and come back with a better understanding of how things work. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Why did you undo my edit and then reinsert my edit under your own name?

In respect to the debate over the nuclear bombing of Japan. Boundarylayer (talk) 20:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I just jumped the gun on condemning your edits. Pure silliness on my part. I also added some inflammatory remarks to talk (deleted them straight away), but then noticed that your edits were fine. Overall, just apologies and best wishes from me. LudicrousTripe (talk) 21:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

June 2013

Please stop using talk pages such as User talk:Faizan for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article; not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. Strike Σagle 04:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Ooops! Sorry! LudicrousTripe (talk) 10:06, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem! :) But make sure you won't repeat the mistake again....use e-mail for personal messages... Feel free to contact me for any query.. Cheers, TheStrike Σagle 10:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey, you the boss! I hear ya! And if your giant country feels like investing in a ramshackle, has-been economy off the north-west coast of Europe, be my guest! Buziaki, as my Polish friends like to say. LudicrousTripe (talk) 14:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: So what?

Interesting article. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not#FORUM is not usually applied to user talk pages. So people hassling you about it are idiots in my mind. You would think they have better things to do. Plus we are having a chat about "Misplaced Pages-related topics". Call it a discussion about systemic bias on Misplaced Pages. Yeah, that's the ticket. :) --Timeshifter (talk) 04:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Hadley Freeman

Hi, please make sure that you read sources properly before using them as citations. Freeman writes

"Of course men don't have naturally rapey instincts. You know that. I know that. Everyone with two brain cells knows that. But Serena, apparently, does not, which is why she seemed to think, going by her quoted comment, that it's a woman's fault if she gets raped because men just can't help themselves. It's a disgusting attitude, one that is extremely hurtful to both genders. That is the point I am making here and you and I are in agreement on it."

Freeman's spot Lost in showbiz is specifically satirical, humour-based column. Span (talk) 12:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. Always easy to leap with daggers drawn at a dirty Grauniad hack. Occasionally, very occasionally, it isn't merited. Can't wait till that stinking cesspit of Labour propaganda runs out of cash. A shame no one cares enough to call Bernard Porter on describing the genocide of the Native Americans and Aborigines as a process of "displacing the original inhabitants". Yeah, like the Germans "displaced" the Jews of Eastern Europe, eh, Bernard? Chomsky called Mark Mazower for the same reason. Grauniadesque liberals make me sick. Yep, and so nice to see Roger Cohen taking a pasting in the current issue of the NYRB. LudicrousTripe (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

July 2013

Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. I noticed your recent edits to FISC do not have any edit summaries. Please provide one before saving your changes to an article, as the summaries are quite helpful to people browsing an article's history. Thanks! Good edits though! Elvey (talk) 16:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

OK, mate! LudicrousTripe (talk) 18:02, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

re United States

You have now started three discussion sections, the first one blatantly insulting everyone you're trying to talk to, on controversial topics. You have, so far, refused to respond to any comments on them, instead making new sections just as inflammatory. Please respond to your old posts, otherwise it just seems like you're floating by every couple of days to insult us without actually providing any valuable input. If that's the case, then stop. If it's not, and you're actually on the article to improve it rather than insult the people who work on it, then please stick around and discuss. --Golbez (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey, it's OK, I'll knock it off. Apologies for the immaturity. Adieu! LudicrousTripe (talk) 19:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Rwandan genocide

Great additions to revisionist accounts of the Rwandan Genocide, but I got a bit confused by the raft of edits. I'm easily confused. In future, could you fill out brief edit summaries so it's easy to see what you're adding? thank you PhilMacD (talk) 14:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your kind words! I'll be sure to use edit summaries, I've already been told about it once! Just lazines on my part. Best wishes! LudicrousTripe (talk) 18:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for

the barnstar. Any particular aspect of Anton Lembede or ? Victuallers (talk) 13:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I like this compared to this! (Before compared to after your editing!)

Plus—and this is sheer personal impression, so don't ask me to justify it!—the articles of many Black African figures, even fairly major ones, don't get enough attention. Just nice to see someone who edits them when so many obviously can't be bothered to. LudicrousTripe (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

<< From Victuallers; moved to user page >>

Heeeey! My first barnstar! Thanks so much! :D LudicrousTripe (talk) 11:26, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Noam Chomsky

Hello there Ludicrous! Good to know that there are others out there taking an interest in the welfare of the Noam Chomsky page. I've been working over there for a year or so now, mostly adding material from the Barsky biography, but it's only been today that I decided to really take a hacksaw to the article and get rid of stuff. The article was far in excess of Misplaced Pages's policies on length, and a very significant chunk of it was un-referenced. That which was referenced was often poorly so (many links to first-hand sources, interviews with Chomsky etc rather than reliable second-hand sources), and talked about such things as Chomsky's opinions on Osama bin Laden's death and the influence of his linguistics on psychology which (though IMO interesting), are not important enough to warrant inclusion here. I didn't think that much meaningful improvement could go on at the page without some major clearance first. You can't sow your seeds without first killing off the weeds. My ultimate aim is to get the quality and content of the Chomsky article up to a par with the article for another academic-come-leftist activist that interests me, V. Gordon Childe. Your contribution to that aim would be greatly welcomed, of course. Thanks for contacting me, and all the best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, nice to see the work you've done over at Anton Lembede; I was one of those responsible for the recent re-write of Nelson Mandela, and it's great to see some of the lesser-known figures of the struggle getting their Wiki articles improved. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words! You are doing fine things with the Chomsky, and well done on Mandela! As for V. Gordon Childe: well, is it possible for a Misplaced Pages article to be beautiful? Bravo! LudicrousTripe (talk) 22:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the thank you! Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Bonus points

For using "begging the question" correctly. Hardly anybody seems able to! — Scott • talk 16:12, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Ha ha ha! LudicrousTripe (talk) 16:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Still, at least Chelsea wasn't man ---> 'neither', like some people I've read about! Whatever does one do then?

You look at the preferences of the person in question, and usually you have to ask. Kate Bornstein currently identifies as neither, but prefers female pronouns (her path was man to woman to neither). Androgynes sometimes prefer "ze" and "hir" as neutral pronouns, or sometimes "sie" and "hir." Gender fluid folk often use he/his some times and she/hers others. I prefer the pronouns I'm presenting with at the moment in person, and ze and hir in writing (or just he/him in writing locations where I don't have much anonymity, since I'm still in the closet) ... But I try to be loosey-goosey about it, because I know its all complicated and hard. People get points just for trying. As another trans-person I knew said, you can always tell who is trying and messed up, and who isn't even trying ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.157.156.137 (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I see! Thanks for dropping by! Most interesting. I keep meaning to have a read up about sex and gender, because it's obvious even to me that they are rather more complicated than male or female, man or woman. Cheers! LudicrousTripe (talk) 21:31, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• I understand that you're frustrated here, but this kind of comment should be avoided in the future. Bugs has been warned on his talk page by an admin, so you should direct further complaints about his behavior to the warning admin. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:20, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Noted! I guess I was just tired... Best wishes! LudicrousTripe (talk) 07:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Z8

Blocking per this comment, which I find totally inappropriate. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

LudicrousTripe (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Dear Mark Arsten, I do not see how I am guilty of harassment, which is a fairly strong word. Admittedly, the ban is light, so you obviously do not regard it as particularly serious, but I do insist that the user concerned never asked me to stop after my first post, and the two posts I made were so light-hearted I do not find them worthy of a block. Sheer hypersensitivity on their part, if you ask me. How the person concerned survives the genuine rough and tumble of real life, let alone in an environment like the armed forces, is unclear to me. Still, I'm pretty much resigned to the 24-hour ban, just thought I'd see if I could escape it... Best wishes! LudicrousTripe (talk) 19:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Well, since you agreed to serve the time, I have no choice but to say: take the day off and enjoy it! ~Amatulić (talk) 19:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Referring to someone's last meal is a bit unnerving. But if you meant it in jest, then I'd just ask that you refrain from jokes about physical violence and then we'll get along fine.--v/r - TP 19:34, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Let's just leave it here, I'll serve the 24 hours. I had no inclination to interact with you further, and certainly have none now. Adieu! LudicrousTripe (talk) 19:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I respect your request to leave it here, but I find your use of Sword of Truth funny because I quite enjoy the novels by Terry Goodkind and I assure you that the fictional sword is quite lethal. Especially in light of this recent news story. With that, I'll respect your request and we can part ways.--v/r - TP 19:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

• I know what it feels like to be blocked for a dumb reason, so I can empathize with how you must feel. I blocked mainly because of the "Think of this as your last meal, for my wrath descends upon ye" comment than the Sword of Truth thing. Can you see why we found that comment troubling? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, in my view, the language I was using to challenge my worthy opponent—I wax terrible, smite, descends upon ye, Wikicaffeine—was utterly absurd, which meant it never even crossed my mind that someone could take Wikicaffeine-as-last-meal to be a threat of any kind, let alone physical violence. For your information, I purchased my "simple sword of truth" from one of our ridiculous politicians of yesteryear:

If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight. The fight against falsehood and those who peddle it.

I will definitely also equip myself with the "trusty shield of British fair play" the next time I have cause to unsheathe the "simple sword of truth".

Let us all put this unfortunate and silly episode behind us. Let us venture forth and create featured articles out of stubs, make unfailing use of inline citations and RS, and so on. Best wishes! LudicrousTripe (talk) 23:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry for my part in not seeing the humor. At the time, I guess I felt that since you didn't see my irony earlier then we were just not able to have a bit of fun at each others expense. So when your messages appeared on my talk page, they appeared more creepy than funny. Seems to me that we're both folks who like to use a bit of humor even when we're arguing with someone and for my part I misunderstood your intentions. So again, I'm sorry.--v/r - TP 19:12, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I likewise misunderstood yours and failed likewise and apologise. Let us forget all about it, you seem like a thoroughly pleasant chap.
Here he is!
Best wishes! LudicrousTripe (talk) 18:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Arbcom case

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Thanks,--v/r - TP 22:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)