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Should I raise an SPI?

Nbcintern (talk · contribs) is not a new account, but all edits relate to NBC. That's not the only thing they have in common but this isn't the place to discuss that. Dougweller (talk) 08:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Hm, looks like a case for WP:COIN at least? (It might be the lack of coffee talking but I'm not sure where the sock smell is coming from.) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 15:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Me being an idiot. See and User:NBCIntern13. Dougweller (talk) 18:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh. Quack, quack indeed. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:09, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Another one bites the dust. But they keep coming. Dougweller (talk) 10:56, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Could you please do me a favor?

Can you cancel this CFD that I started for Coal Valley Illinois. It is a multiple county community and consensus in the past is that these categories are acceptable....William 02:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing. Just as a note, if nobody else has commented, it's OK to close it yourself on your own noms in the future. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Duly Noted and thanks....William 10:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Editor Johnsmith2116

You warned him not to do incomplete golf edits. He did so again....William 16:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Where's the incomplete part of that edit? It looks reasonably complete to me... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:15, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

The ?? in place of scores and the empty margin of victory box....William 17:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh, that'll do it. I've given him a Danger, Will Robinson final warning. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I will not be intimidated

Hello Bushranger -- I found your message today. I found a number of messages today, some of which are months old. It had never occurred to me to look at these, I usually don't go to that section. .. Anyway, today I updated the Zach Johnson box with the full score, and that one editor came and undid it. And I've seen private chat messages from other editors about that one particular editor being an electronic bully, trying to electronically bully people into submission. It's unneeded and ridiculous - that editor has gotten themself a bad reputation. I don't know their motivation, but it's pathetic and it's like that little kid in class who goes around tattling on everyone. ... Even the most active golf editor on all of Misplaced Pages has never had a problem with my activity. .. I will not be electronically bullied by anyone, the way that person tries to do to others. I've not been a trouble-maker. Just because one lone rouge person decides they want to take their anger at the world out on innocent people, that's not my problem. If I need to, I and those other editors will all go to another account and/or another IP address to continue our honest, non-abusive editing. Some people need to stop acting like they are more important than they are and come down off their high horse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsmith2116 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 16 September 2013‎ (UTC)

You are not being intimidated; you are being asked not to add incomplete results, which do not improve the encyclopedia. Please remember to comment on content, not contributors; also note that "going to another account" could be considered sockpuppetry. Please simply wait until the full results can be added, there is no deadline for improving Misplaced Pages. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, Bushranger. Let me clarify what I said. I meant, if I got blocked for some ridiculous reason when I am trying to do honest editing, I would then go elsewhere to edit - I do not want to make another account, I like this one I currently have. I'm just saying if we NEEDED to, as a result of getting blocked unfairly, we would then take alternate accounts. .. Also, yes, the intimidation is real, on several innocent editors whom have been the target of one particular editor. But let me make it clear, I won't be intimidated. The internet is full of millions of people who have been picked on in life, and as a result they often use modern technology to try to take out their wrath on innocent people -- if you're seen Youtube and other such media, you'll notice it all the time. I'm just a person in a town somewhere trying to do a little bit of contributing to Misplaced Pages with what I at least today THOUGHT was the full information, and I STILL can't get through it without some keyboard warrior trying to throw their weight around. I didn't plan on doing a personal editorial here, but apparently I'm put in a position in which I need to defend myself, even though I shouldn't have to - 8th grade was over a long time ago. We're not 14 years old anymore. It's gotten pathetic. ... Even the most active golf editor in Misplaced Pages has seen my activity for over a year and has never gotten on my case about the way I enter information, so, clearly it's just one editor with a chip on their shoulder. ..... Fact is, today, when I put the runner-up information in being as Nick Watney on the Zach Johnson page, I really genuinely thought he was the only runner up, which would end up being the case anyway, as it turned out. I'm allowed an honest mistake - a mistake that in hindsight we all realize would prove to be the correct information now anyway. So, someone must feel really silly right now. .. I've got a good reputation, and I'd like to keep it that way, but I'm not going to play 8th grade and be electronically intimidated. And I expect that I will not need to come here to defend myself again over something so petty and a misunderstanding, just because a certain editor likes to jump on people johnny-on-the-spot.

Please explain...

...just what the purpose of your actions were at Talk:Aircraft_carrier#Off_topic.

Following a comment I made, as part of an going discussion on that page, I was met with this reply;

TWC, you do your argument no good at all by resorting to strawman versions of what we may or may not say. Leave the words of other editors for them to say. Your posts here are unnecessarily antagonistic, numerous and wordy and frankly they read like tantrums of a spoilt child that is not getting its way. Cut the hyperbole and engage with other editors, Misplaced Pages is not a battleground. - Nick Thorne talk 03:12, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

My response was;

"Straw man argument" ? Oh, please, where's the punch-line? I asked Bill a simple question. He can answer it if he chooses, or not. Quite frankly, it has nothing to do with you. If I want to ask you something, I will let you know. In the meantime, what gives you the right to just suddenly start flipping out at me? You blather on about tantrums, yet I can just picture you, red-faced, with that vein popping out on the side of your head, furiously pounding away at your keyboard, just to tell me off. If you're going to get so emotionally involved in these discussions, maybe you should just step away for awhile and collect yourself. All I have done is to take part in this discussion, presenting my point-of-view. I have not breached any lines of conduct. You, on other hand, are waaaay out of line with your completely uncilvil behavior, accusing me of being "antagonistic", referring to my posts as "tantrums" and then, calling me a "spoiled child" ?! You then have the nerve to preach to me about wp:battle? Is this what you call "engaging another editor"? I think not. Unlike you, I have not once resorted to insults or personal attacks here and, unlike you, I have stuck to the topic at hand. Now, if it's all the same to you, I would like to carry on with the discussion. If you would like to contribute, great! But otherwise, please take your vitriolic rantings somewhere else. - thewolfchild 02:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

It is at this point, you posted these comments, directed to me;

If the shoe fits... Thewolfchild, your comment above, even if none of the others are, does step well outside the bounds of WP:CIVIL. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:11, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

It is this comment I am concerned with. You, an admin, had read what Nick Thorne posted, which was clearly a personal attack, unprovoked, and an off-topic and disruptive edit, and yet you... ignored it? (!) Instead, you chose to publically admonish me? And with comments that I don't quite clearly understand. Just how does WP:SPADE apply to me, and me only? And, what is "...even if none of the others are..." referring to? The comments of my post, preceding the final comment, or Nick Thorn's comments that preceded mine altogether? And, just how did anything I wrote step "well outside the bounds of WP:CIVIL"... while at the same time, apparently Nick Thorne's comments didn't ?

Meanwhile, you chose not to address the fact that I requested the discussion remain on topic - twice, even after the further, baiting, "QED" comment made by Nick Thorne. In fact, you chose to comment no further, leaving it to me to try and bring that nonsense to a close and keep the focus on the topic at hand (despite the fact that you're the admin there).

Then, to compound the matter further, you chose to comment in a debate you had previously not taken part in, in firm opposition to me, even though you had already, as an admin, berated me within the very same thread. And furthermore, your position completely aligned with Nick Thorne. I must ask if whether you and Nick Thorne have contact off-wiki, or if you and he are frequent collaborators within the project. But even if that isn't the case, there is a conflict of interest in your actions. How does all this speak toward your neutrality as an admin?

I certainly hope you can explain yourself here (Speaking of which, I posted here, so as to not disrupt the aircraft carrier talk page any further, and with that, I will look for your reply here). - thewolfchild 23:38, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

I do not communitcate with anyone regularly off-wiki, and have never communicated with Nick Thorne off-wiki at all, nor, to my knowledge, on-wiki, and I find your implication of bad faith dissapointing. Nick's comment was borderline, but to me fell under the category of calling a spade a spade, while your response only solidified and proved, to me, as an editor, his assessment. In addition, it should be noted that I commented in the discussion before making the comment you consider "berating". I have not, and will not, take any admin actions, barring an extreme/emergency situation which I'm sure we can both agree is not the case here, in any area in which I have been an editor; your perception of a breach of WP:INVOLVED (which is, it should be noted, completely different from Misplaced Pages's definition of conflict of interest) is in error. I did not admonish anyone "as an admin", I made a statement as an editor that your comment was wildly in breach of WP:CIVIL, and I find it dissapointing that you continue to fail to recognise that, even if there is a mote in Nick's eye, there is a beam in yours. And, since I had commented as an editor in the thread, arguing that I should take action as an admin ("you're the admin there") is perplexing as doing so would place me in violation of WP:INVOLVED; my " to comment no further" was simply that I chose, well within my rights as a Misplaced Pages editor, not to further engage in that part of the discussion, as I felt that no productive results could be achieved by doing so.

Now, all that said, I hope that the situation can be resolved on the talk page there without further bad faith, personal attacks, or general drama. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:48, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

• You will note that I am posting here, instead of on the aircraft carrier talk page, so as to keep the discussion there on topic. Just as every one of my responses there requested as well.

• As for my preceding comment here, your actions demanded these questions be asked, whether you feel that was bad faith or not.

• I don't see where you had previously commented in the thread before your "spade" comment. Maybe you could point that out for me.

• I find it disturbing that you find a comment that refers to an editor as a "spoilt child having a tantrum" as being only "borderline".

• Further, that post did not comment on the issue being discussed, but instead was completely off-topic and it's only purpose was to give insult.

• As well, no comment of mine preceding the offensive post made any off topic comments or insulted Nick, meaning his comment was unprovoked.

• All that considered, his comments were clearly disruptive editing, and were beyond uncivil, they were rude.

• You didn't even blink, you simply let it pass. If Nick had an issue, he should of taken it to my talk page, or emailed me or gone to ANI. He should not have posted that comment there.

• Whether you feel my response was out of place or not, you have either cautioned both of us, left comments on our talk pages, notified us privately, taken it to ANI, banned of from interacting or blocked us. You should not have stepped in with your one-sided, petulant, scolding response for me, while saying nothing about the other comment.

• You may claim you are "only commenting as an editor", but you are admin. You may have noticed there was another comment from another user... it warned me you were an admin, it did not warn that you were an editor. You are always an admin, and therefore your comments carry the weight of an admin, and you actions reflect on wikipedia in a heftier capacity than those of regular users.

• While I found it meaningless, some people might have found your bible reference somewhat offensive, and in the future you should exercise cautions when preaching religion.

• In closing, I find that the entire way you have handled (or not handled) this situation, (especially as an admin), has been grossly inappropriate. - thewolfchild 03:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• If you had taken a moment to check you would have found this was my first comment in the discussion, well before the WP:SPADE issue; once again, you show what could easily be construed as a distinct lack of good faith. I did not, at any time, act as an admin on that issue, and as I had been involved as an editor in that issue before any of the other issues you dispute above, it would have been grossly inapproprate for me to act as an admin elsewhere in the discussion, barring an emergency situation, per WP:INVOLVED. Your comments about admins vs editors do not reflect the WP:CONSENSUS of this matter on Misplaced Pages; while admins do, indeed, face greater scrutiny of their actions, their actions as editors do not carry any additional weight, and it is entirely possible, and often done, to have the "admin hat off" and "editor hat on"; actions that do not involve use of the admin tools, and which do not contain threats of use of the admin tools, are not admin issues; warning that an editor has stepped over a policy is not a warning of using the tools, if I had said "if you do this again I will block you/you will be blocked", it would have been, which is why I did not say that. Your comments about "preaching religion" are entirely specious as no such thing occured. In closing, no admin actions were taken, threatened, proposed or implied; I have disengaged, entirely, from this issue, and will not be participating further in the discussion; in addition, as I, as an editor, consider your actions to have been grossly inappropriate. From the combination of those two factors, I hereby request that you refrain from further postings on my talk page on this matter. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Very well, consider this my last post. While I do note the edit you have pointed out, the rest of your comments are simply argumentative, evasive, explain nothing and unfortunately do not lend to any type of resolution, which is disappointing. But, with that said, I will respect your request, and comment on this matter no further on your talk page. - thewolfchild 16:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election

Greetings from WikiProject Military history! As a member of the project, you are invited to take part in our annual project coordinator election, which will determine our coordinators for the next twelve months. If you wish to cast a vote, please do so on the election page by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September! Kirill  16:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)